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"Robert B. Winn" |
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06 Nov 2004 08:43:01 AM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message news:<61cfn0th3elniet2lu2eqkau7cb5afqflf@4ax.com>...
On 20 Oct 2004 15:00:10 -0700, (Robert B. Winn)
wrote:
Well, I used a definition given by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. How
do you get that it is a new definition?
Robert B. winn
God defines a Bat as a Bird. It seems God got a few things wrong
what's your point?
James, Seattle
Well, I don't think so.
Robert B. Winn
OK, so how is a bat a bird?
Bats and various kinds of birds and shellfish were on a list of
creatures listed by Moses as being unclean. How are bats and birds
shellfish?
Robert B. Winn
The Bible never said shellfish are birds. It DOES say that bats are
birds. Nice attempt at a dodge. So how are bats birds?
You might want to ask someone in the field of biology. I do not
really care how they are birds.
Robert B. Winn
They aren't.
Well, if you want to eat them, go ahead. The law of Moses was
fulfilled when Christ was born.
Robert B. winn
I don't want to eat them. I want you to explain why God said bats are
birds when he supposedly knew better.
Well, my guess is that the verse was mis-translated.
Kinda like "with child"??
When Moses said
flying creatures, it was translated fowls.
Robert B. Winn
How was with child mistranslated? With child means the same thing as pregnant.
Robert B. Winn
The word "child" did not appear in the original writing. Inserting it is
a mistranslation.
Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. I think it was
translated exactly right.
That's an opinion, and an uneducated one at that, not a fact.
Perhaps after the resurrection we can get
Luke's opinion about the translation.
'Fraid not.
He's staying dead.
Robert B. winn
Well, let's just wait until Christ returns and see what he says then.
Robert B. Winn
Nothing, because he's still dead.
Resurrected. He arose from the tomb on the third day.
Robert B. Winn
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23 Nov 2004 07:26:19 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<bvc5q09fgdto2hnk2fq616krntqb77l5rk@4ax.com>...
On 22 Nov 2004 08:10:34 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fui2q0db8kj0o8fotb5nfivlv94iermoib@4ax.com>...
On 21 Nov 2004 06:29:23 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<v840q0psfp4er7gm28p9hrveo0vmv5q3jh@4ax.com>...
On 20 Nov 2004 06:37:39 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Do you tell them some falsehood?
Never, although I try to disabuse them of the falsehoods they believe
sometimes.
Well, you have been trying to tell me that God does not exist.
No, I've been telling you that no objective evidence that any god
exists does exist.
Why don't you wait a while and tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge
the earth?
Objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed?
Well, there was that book that Mr. Gutenberg printed.
Objective evidence that both Mr. Gutenberg and the book existed.
I know how disappointing it must be for you when the Bible sells more copies than
Playboy magazine.
I couldn't care less. But the bible isn't proof that what's in the
bible is true.
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Well, you must have some theory as to how what is written in the Bible
came to be written. I am sure we would all be interested in hearing
your idea.
Robert B. Winn
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23 Nov 2004 10:29:04 PM |
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On 23 Nov 2004 17:26:19 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<bvc5q09fgdto2hnk2fq616krntqb77l5rk@4ax.com>...
I couldn't care less. But the bible isn't proof that what's in the
bible is true.
Well, you must have some theory as to how what is written in the Bible
came to be written.
Sure. Someone wrote it. I'd call you dumb as a bag of rocks for that
one, but there's no reason for me to insult the rocks.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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24 Nov 2004 02:34:32 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<pe38q0p95i2jvc9pe48fkets671km9b74t@4ax.com>...
On 23 Nov 2004 17:26:19 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<bvc5q09fgdto2hnk2fq616krntqb77l5rk@4ax.com>...
I couldn't care less. But the bible isn't proof that what's in the
bible is true.
Well, you must have some theory as to how what is written in the Bible
came to be written.
Sure. Someone wrote it. I'd call you dumb as a bag of rocks for that
one, but there's no reason for me to insult the rocks.
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it. Well, perhaps we could
discuss something you are more familiar with.
Robert B. winn
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24 Nov 2004 10:47:09 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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25 Nov 2004 07:37:05 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
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Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void the same way you posted that the Declaration of Independence is
null and void by decree of the pro-abortion movement.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Nov 2004 10:33:36 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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29 Nov 2004 02:00:24 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<5s0gq0damqtku548ngqf8qjs32g67t44gi@4ax.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
--
What do you think of Hezekiah's tunnel? Is it a hoax perpetrated by
Jerusalem tour guides as Mark Sebree says, or was it dug as described
in the book of Isaiah?
Robert b. winn
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03 Dec 2004 08:46:15 AM |
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"Robert B. Winn" <> wrote in message
news:a17e5e0e.0411291200.62a19f1a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<5s0gq0damqtku548ngqf8qjs32g67t44gi@4ax.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective
evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
--
What do you think of Hezekiah's tunnel? Is it a hoax perpetrated by
Jerusalem tour guides as Mark Sebree says, or was it dug as described
in the book of Isaiah?
False dichotomy, Robert. There are other possibilities beyond those two
choices.
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29 Nov 2004 11:01:04 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2004 12:00:24 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<5s0gq0damqtku548ngqf8qjs32g67t44gi@4ax.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
--
What do you think of Hezekiah's tunnel? Is it a hoax perpetrated by
Jerusalem tour guides as Mark Sebree says, or was it dug as described
in the book of Isaiah?
Neither.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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29 Nov 2004 03:11:51 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<5s0gq0damqtku548ngqf8qjs32g67t44gi@4ax.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
--
What do you think of Hezekiah's tunnel? Is it a hoax perpetrated by
Jerusalem tour guides as Mark Sebree says, or was it dug as described
in the book of Isaiah?
Robert b. winn
Does your God live in it?
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26 Nov 2004 10:58:08 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 25 Nov 2004 17:37:05 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<osoaq05r9iqbj3otn69danuacqrshomlcu@4ax.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 12:34:32 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, excuse me. I thought from your earlier critical remarks about
the Bible that you wanted to discuss it.
We did - it's a work of fiction, with absolutely no objective evidence
to back up any of its supernatural claims.
If you want to "discuss" that, post the evidence.
Well, it seems to me that you are trying to declare the Bible null and
void
As a factual account, it IS void.
Its only claim is its deluded supporters.
Void and done.
Amos
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< Rising from the ashes: Phoenix Green Earth >
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to want an end to wilderness and all it stood for was to want the wolf's
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24 Nov 2004 09:37:28 AM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<bvc5q09fgdto2hnk2fq616krntqb77l5rk@4ax.com>...
On 22 Nov 2004 08:10:34 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fui2q0db8kj0o8fotb5nfivlv94iermoib@4ax.com>...
On 21 Nov 2004 06:29:23 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<v840q0psfp4er7gm28p9hrveo0vmv5q3jh@4ax.com>...
On 20 Nov 2004 06:37:39 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Do you tell them some falsehood?
Never, although I try to disabuse them of the falsehoods they believe
sometimes.
Well, you have been trying to tell me that God does not exist.
No, I've been telling you that no objective evidence that any god
exists does exist.
Why don't you wait a while and tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge
the earth?
Objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed?
Well, there was that book that Mr. Gutenberg printed.
Objective evidence that both Mr. Gutenberg and the book existed.
I know how disappointing it must be for you when the Bible sells more copies than
Playboy magazine.
I couldn't care less. But the bible isn't proof that what's in the
bible is true.
Well, you must have some theory as to how what is written in the Bible
came to be written.
Ancient, bronze age, goat herders put pen to papyrus and wrote down a
bunch of stuff. Just because it is written in an obscure language by a
bunch of long-dead men does not make the narrative any truer than say
Moby *****!
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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24 Nov 2004 02:31:28 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<YU1pd.84988$vO1.492594@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<bvc5q09fgdto2hnk2fq616krntqb77l5rk@4ax.com>...
On 22 Nov 2004 08:10:34 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fui2q0db8kj0o8fotb5nfivlv94iermoib@4ax.com>...
On 21 Nov 2004 06:29:23 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<v840q0psfp4er7gm28p9hrveo0vmv5q3jh@4ax.com>...
On 20 Nov 2004 06:37:39 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Do you tell them some falsehood?
Never, although I try to disabuse them of the falsehoods they believe
sometimes.
Well, you have been trying to tell me that God does not exist.
No, I've been telling you that no objective evidence that any god
exists does exist.
Why don't you wait a while and tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge
the earth?
Objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed?
Well, there was that book that Mr. Gutenberg printed.
Objective evidence that both Mr. Gutenberg and the book existed.
I know how disappointing it must be for you when the Bible sells more copies than
Playboy magazine.
I couldn't care less. But the bible isn't proof that what's in the
bible is true.
Well, you must have some theory as to how what is written in the Bible
came to be written.
Ancient, bronze age, goat herders put pen to papyrus and wrote down a
bunch of stuff. Just because it is written in an obscure language by a
bunch of long-dead men does not make the narrative any truer than say
Moby *****!
<snip>
Well, I compare what was written in 700 B.C. by Isaiah to what is
written today by pro-abortion advocate Mark Sebree, and what Isaiah
wrote seems a lot more believable to me. Isaiah said there was a
conduit for water dug between Gihon Spring and the Pool of Siloam
during the reign of King Hezekiah. Mark Sebree says that Hezekiah's
tunnel is a hoax perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. The guides
keep taking tourists through a tunnel connecting Gihon spring and the
Pool of Siloam.
Robert B. Winn
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03 Jan 2005 05:09:55 PM |
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The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth.
I see that you do not regard spread of AIDS to another human as a form
of harm. As far as I can tell, a person who dies of AIDS is just as
dead as a person who dies from a gunshot wound.
Robert b. Winn
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03 Jan 2005 07:02:41 PM |
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writes:
The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth.
....neither of which apply to you.
Is there any rational reason why you can't be bothered to quote those who
you're babbling in reply to, or was the VA right in their diagnosis of you all
along?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Norfolk 1 (December 31)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 8 at Milwaukee, 1:35
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03 Jan 2005 05:13:06 PM |
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wrote:
The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth.
Yet, you cannot even prove he exists.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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04 Jan 2005 11:34:50 PM |
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in article 6kkCd.16506$RH4.12961@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Andrealphus at OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_1 wrote on 1/3/05 5:13 PM:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth.
Yet, you cannot even prove he exists.
***** that, he can't even learn how to quote.
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03 Jan 2005 06:17:35 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 15:09:55 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
As far as I can tell, a person who dies of AIDS is just as
dead as a person who dies from a gunshot wound.
But you don't believe in death - you believe in life everlasting.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Nov 2004 10:11:06 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2004 06:13:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6qdro051rjh2u6cvoh4iq0b457n1vt4htd@4ax.com>...
On 6 Nov 2004 18:09:28 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, no one can take away any choice to commit sin. However, suppose
someone chooses to commit the sin of murder.
Murder is an act, homosexuality is a state of being.
Try something sane, Winn. Not that you're capable of sanity.
Everything is a state of being, Al, including crimes like murder.
No, murder is an act. You ARE fluent in English, right?
Your idea is that certain sins should be protected because you have
classified them as good.
Not my idea - your god's. Read your bible.
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
09 Nov 2004 09:48:54 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fpg0p05japcik70tdsuh1bak5gvv3n443o@4ax.com>...
On 8 Nov 2004 06:13:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6qdro051rjh2u6cvoh4iq0b457n1vt4htd@4ax.com>...
On 6 Nov 2004 18:09:28 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, no one can take away any choice to commit sin. However, suppose
someone chooses to commit the sin of murder.
Murder is an act, homosexuality is a state of being.
Try something sane, Winn. Not that you're capable of sanity.
Everything is a state of being, Al, including crimes like murder.
No, murder is an act. You ARE fluent in English, right?
So acts do not exist? You are saying that they are not a state of being.
Your idea is that certain sins should be protected because you have
classified them as good.
Not my idea - your god's. Read your bible.
Well, God says that any sin unrepented of can keep a person out of heaven.
Robert B. winn
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
09 Nov 2004 10:33:36 PM |
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On 9 Nov 2004 07:48:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fpg0p05japcik70tdsuh1bak5gvv3n443o@4ax.com>...
On 8 Nov 2004 06:13:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6qdro051rjh2u6cvoh4iq0b457n1vt4htd@4ax.com>...
On 6 Nov 2004 18:09:28 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, no one can take away any choice to commit sin. However, suppose
someone chooses to commit the sin of murder.
Murder is an act, homosexuality is a state of being.
Try something sane, Winn. Not that you're capable of sanity.
Everything is a state of being, Al, including crimes like murder.
No, murder is an act. You ARE fluent in English, right?
So acts do not exist? You are saying that they are not a state of being.
Correct. On both counts. You're male. Is that an act? You sneezed.
Is that a state of being? (No on each count.)
Your idea is that certain sins should be protected because you have
classified them as good.
Not my idea - your god's. Read your bible.
Well, God says that any sin unrepented of can keep a person out of heaven.
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
11 Nov 2004 09:45:51 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
On 9 Nov 2004 07:48:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fpg0p05japcik70tdsuh1bak5gvv3n443o@4ax.com>...
On 8 Nov 2004 06:13:54 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6qdro051rjh2u6cvoh4iq0b457n1vt4htd@4ax.com>...
On 6 Nov 2004 18:09:28 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Well, no one can take away any choice to commit sin. However, suppose
someone chooses to commit the sin of murder.
Murder is an act, homosexuality is a state of being.
Try something sane, Winn. Not that you're capable of sanity.
Everything is a state of being, Al, including crimes like murder.
No, murder is an act. You ARE fluent in English, right?
So acts do not exist? You are saying that they are not a state of being.
Correct. On both counts. You're male. Is that an act? You sneezed.
Is that a state of being? (No on each count.)
Your idea is that certain sins should be protected because you have
classified them as good.
Not my idea - your god's. Read your bible.
Well, God says that any sin unrepented of can keep a person out of heaven.
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
--
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
11 Nov 2004 11:06:33 PM |
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On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
14 Nov 2004 11:27:45 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
--
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
15 Nov 2004 10:24:35 PM |
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On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
16 Nov 2004 06:28:54 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h70jp0t5tj103lo4slttmvk4mesmqqpnmb@4ax.com>...
On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
Your decree in which you forbid God to exist. Have you informed God about it yet?
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
16 Nov 2004 06:36:00 AM |
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On 16 Nov 2004 04:28:54 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h70jp0t5tj103lo4slttmvk4mesmqqpnmb@4ax.com>...
On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
Your decree in which you forbid God to exist. Have you informed God about it yet?
Indeed. But then since there was no answer and that I believe you'll
find the legal maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret," - Silence gives
consent, it would seem the decree is binding.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
16 Nov 2004 04:26:17 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<epsjp0tmpr441s4ukbgl29o9eem45kfkfa@4ax.com>...
On 16 Nov 2004 04:28:54 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h70jp0t5tj103lo4slttmvk4mesmqqpnmb@4ax.com>...
On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
Your decree in which you forbid God to exist. Have you informed God about it yet?
Indeed. But then since there was no answer and that I believe you'll
find the legal maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret," - Silence gives
consent, it would seem the decree is binding.
Well, I think you are making a mistake in thinking that silence gives
consent. You sound a little dishonest to me.
Robert b. winn
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
17 Nov 2004 01:54:15 AM |
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On 16 Nov 2004 14:26:17 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<epsjp0tmpr441s4ukbgl29o9eem45kfkfa@4ax.com>...
On 16 Nov 2004 04:28:54 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h70jp0t5tj103lo4slttmvk4mesmqqpnmb@4ax.com>...
On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
Your decree in which you forbid God to exist. Have you informed God about it yet?
Indeed. But then since there was no answer and that I believe you'll
find the legal maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret," - Silence gives
consent, it would seem the decree is binding.
Well, I think you are making a mistake in thinking that silence gives
consent. You sound a little dishonest to me.
That's just what they said to Thomas More, a little before they cut
his head off. Nice one.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
Market Your DVD to The World For Almost Nothing: www.instantdvd.tv
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: : Choice and Homosexuality |
17 Nov 2004 03:50:15 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<oo0mp05j6vdl168ccnodm4a14togvejl7o@4ax.com>...
On 16 Nov 2004 14:26:17 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<epsjp0tmpr441s4ukbgl29o9eem45kfkfa@4ax.com>...
On 16 Nov 2004 04:28:54 -0800 in alt.atheism, Robert B. Winn
( (Robert B. Winn)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h70jp0t5tj103lo4slttmvk4mesmqqpnmb@4ax.com>...
On 14 Nov 2004 21:27:45 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<h5h8p0tmjh8b1u2q0vr09ne2u11bnv06a0@4ax.com>...
On 11 Nov 2004 19:45:51 -0800, (Robert B. Winn) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<fc63p0p8ppo174psln000cg02s1osppbmb@4ax.com>...
Since a) your god doesn't exist and b) there's no heaven or hell,
except in the minds of theists, that's totally irrelevant.
Well, I would not be the one to inform of your edict. You need to
tell Jesus Christ
There's no Jesus Christ either. Get over your stupidity.
You seem to have made a decree. How do you plan to enforce it?
What decree would that be?
Your decree in which you forbid God to exist. Have you informed God about it yet?
Indeed. But then since there was no answer and that I believe you'll
find the legal maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret," - Silence gives
consent, it would seem the decree is binding.
Well, I think you are making a mistake in thinking that silence gives
consent. You sound a little dishonest to me.
That's just what they said to Thomas More, a little before they cut
his head off. Nice one.
Never trust anyone who goes around quoting Latin sayings.
Robert B. winn
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