Science > Abortion > A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops!
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"Gactimus" |
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08 Nov 2004 02:45:33 PM |
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A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties over at the
Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their minds than usual. The general
theme seems to be that the election was rigged using electronic voting machines. Here
are just some of the threads -- less than half easily -- about how the election was
stolen from John Kerry....
-- FL, OH and EVERYONE: Help Sort the Vote Fraud Smoking Guns
-- Vote Count "Glitches" Haunt Bush's Supposed Mandate
-- This is proof of how they rigged this election PAY ATTENTION
-- EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER NOW ONLINE
-- "The Guy James Show" Florida vote scam investigation
-- Whose guarding the NH Ballot Boxes?
-- Air America...You should be live until all votes are counted
-- Join the WE DO NOT CONCEDE Coalition!
-- Should We Boycott The Media's Advertisers Until They Cover The Fraud?
-- I agree there probably was fraud committed on Tues, but
-- As long as we don't PROSECUTE election fraud it just keeps getting worse!
-- Wake UP!!! If there was voting fraud and we don't do something
-- 'Rat a l'Orange' -- Documents indicate voting machine certification fraud
-- The Exit Polls vs. the Actuals: Who do you believe-CNN or your lying eyes?
-- Forget about 2008, Focus now on 2006 and e-voting fraud!!
-- Stop talking @ '08 work on FRAUD now!!!
-- This is proof of how they rigged this election PAY ATTENTION
-- PLEASE HELP: I have written a detailed report on the voting/fraud issues
-- UERGENT: VOTE FRAUD? Tell everyone you know -- details
-- NO MORE SELF-FLAGELLATION OF WHY WE LOST. ITS THE FRAUD, STUPID!
-- Still don't believe they stole it? Look here
-- OMG They Murdered the Inventor of TruVote
One of the other "sports" on the DU at the moment is bashing the troops. While of course
there were plenty of people who disagreed, here are some of the DUer's who are
apparently tired of all that fake "we support the troops" sentiment that they had to
mouth at least until the election was over....
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From a thread called "STOP turning on our soldiers!"
Gyre: "I don't support them (the troops). We've exported our illiterate little kids with
their tiny brains filled with images of Rambo. We've armed them and told them the enemy
is a demon who doesn't deserve to live. Most of them are more than willing to believe
that. They are stupid and dangerous and have no intellectual capacity to grasp basic
concepts of democracy. They're a symptom of a disease that infects my country."
Coventina: "I agree the war is dead wrong. And yes, I've made bad choices. If it turns
out that the military vote went Kerry, I'll start caring for them again. But as long as
the evidence points that they think Bush should be their leader, well, I don't need to
worry about them, because they're doing exactly what they want to be doing. And I feel
justified in despising them for it."
buff2 "Support the troops........who overwhelmingly voted for Bu$h. Phuck that. I don't
feel sorry for any of those people who supported that moron who put them in harms way
for NO GOOD REASON,AND LIED TO THEM. I'm sorry,anyone who voted for that lying no good
cheating ***** gets NO sympathy,respect or support from ME. No phucking way!"
Marx_redux: "What in gods name says that the troops are sacred? You are telling me that
we should worship them because they can see the carnage they are helping to create and
remain silent? Hell maybe we should just give em the keys to the city and say thank you
very much, we love the way you got used in the holy war. I respect the soldiers, airman
and marines that come home and speak out against this American jihad. The other ones
that mindlessly kill "rag heads" and cheer about it should go straight to hell."
livinbella: "I do not support the majority of our troops in Iraq. In no way shape or
form. What in hell has happened to personal integrity? No man has the right to say "I am
not to blame for the things I have done." I do not support the majority of our troops."
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From a thread called "Attack on U.S. Marine Convoy Wounds 14 in Iraq"...
aneerkoinos: "Come on. Marines with their stupid tribal codes of "honour" and barbarous
bloodlust is about the dumbest sh*t I can imagine, but they are humans too, even if
remotely. Most of all, wishing ill for others is not good for your own mental health -
been there, done that."
highpitch: screw em. they voted for chimp let them die.
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From a thread called "American Marines attack Fallujah"
everythingsxen: "I have some bad news...It is on all of our hands. Unfortunately, we are
all just as guilty as our fuhrer-in-chief. I know; a lot of people here feel they have
"done all they could do", and have washed their hands of it.
I however think that part of being a liberal and social-progressive means caring about
those who cannot defend themselves.
If everyone just gives up and says "Well it's not my problem...", then I tell you what,
you explain that to that nice news-crew 30 years from now. Tell them how Bush had this
"strange charisma" and how you "were just swept up in the tide" and "felt helpless"
because "their was nothing you could do to stop it".
F*ck that! I don't accept that crap from old Germans and noone will accept it from us!"
puddycat: "Everyone re-read this quote. Colonel Gary Brandl of the United States Marine
Corps commented: "The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are
going to destroy him." The military is fully backing this genocidal action in Iraq. We
have morphed into Hitler's Germany."
TheKingfish: "Satan has IED's too and maybe this nut will hit one n/t"
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From a thread called "Some 10,000 GIs Ring Fallujah's Outskirts"...
atreides1: "They Have, They're Just as Arrogant as the Germans were
NO our military is as arrogant as the the Germans were, we have the technology, and the
better weapons, and no one can defeat us. At least that's what they believe. I believe
that the US military lacks that spark that it had back during WWII, the confidence that
they were fighting for the freedom of the entire world, not just the US.
Some of the troops don't even consider the Iraqis as humans, and this belief is pushed
by some in the chian of command. They went in based on lies and misinformation, and to
question it now, they would have to admit that they are nothing more then sacrifices for
Bush and his big corporate buddies. So instead of admitting that they were wrong,
instead of being able to admit that they have murdered innocent civilians for no good
reason, they plod on. Happy with the knowledge that they are good soldiers who are loved
a supported back home, and that no matter what they do, no matter what crimes they
commit, they will still be loved and supported. For those that seem to have fallen in
love with the killing, I can only wish that for the rest of their lives, they keep
seeing the faces of those that they killed. Heaven knows I still do, and I didn't enjoy
it one little bit.
But let's face facts the US military has not faced anything of much consequence since
Vietnam. Grenada and Panama, Desert Storm was over in no time once the ground war
started. Mainly because the Iraqis retreated. Now the US is once again facing an enemy
who is not afraid to die, and just like Vietnam, no one in command wants to change the
tactics. They are fighting guerillas with conventional tactics, and as long as the
generals are far enough away, they have little to no concern over the dead and dying. As
long as they can make their Fuhrer happy.
As for the chain of command, these are now Bush's Generals, and they like Hitler's
Generals will say nothing that will upset Bush.
As for our military having morals or shame, remember Abu Ghraib?
That should be enough of an answer."
beniciodeltoro: "US soldiers: May Satan take you all."
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 03:08:20 PM |
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I support these troops.
http://www.optruth.org
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| User: "RichA" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 10:04:59 PM |
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The election is over. Soon it will be long over.
Why don't you live with it, sissy?
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| User: "FDR" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
09 Nov 2004 07:17:50 AM |
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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:ceg0p0dlonsjsdr0qhljj4r580tibqrf6i@4ax.com...
The election is over. Soon it will be long over.
Why don't you live with it, sissy?
Rich, there you go again being a sore winner.
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| User: "Snit" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & ScrewThe Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 05:32:39 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties over
at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their minds than
usual. The general theme seems to be that the election was rigged using
electronic voting machines. Here are just some of the threads -- less than
half easily -- about how the election was stolen from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for it all?
I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the stolen election
claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation into
voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery of the idea
of a Democracy.
And, after all, it is hard to believe so many people were stupid enough to
vote for Bush. :)
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 08:18:48 PM |
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On 2004-11-09 10:32:39 +1100, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> said:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties over
at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their minds than
usual. The general theme seems to be that the election was rigged using
electronic voting machines. Here are just some of the threads -- less than
half easily -- about how the election was stolen from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for it all?
I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the stolen election
claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation into
voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery of the idea
of a Democracy.
And, after all, it is hard to believe so many people were stupid enough to
vote for Bush. :)
Its not hard to believe, heck, every election Winston Peters wins
votes, doesn't do a damn thing in parliament, but because he jumps on
the latest populist cause, he gets voted in along with the rest of his
useless party.
Matty
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"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 07:29:00 PM |
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Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB55027.FE34%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties
over at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their
minds than usual. The general theme seems to be that the election was
rigged using electronic voting machines. Here are just some of the
threads -- less than half easily -- about how the election was stolen
from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for it
all? I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the stolen
election claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation
into voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery of
the idea of a Democracy.
I don't believe there was any massive voter fraud but I don't like the
idea of electronic voting either.
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| User: "Snit" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & ScrewThe Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 08:54:21 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099963740.lK115XY9QYS6yOfBe5W3Og@bubbanews on 11/8/04 6:29 PM:
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB55027.FE34%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties
over at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their
minds than usual. The general theme seems to be that the election was
rigged using electronic voting machines. Here are just some of the
threads -- less than half easily -- about how the election was stolen
from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for it
all? I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the stolen
election claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation
into voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery of
the idea of a Democracy.
I don't believe there was any massive voter fraud but I don't like the
idea of electronic voting either.
Why do you not like the idea of electronic voting? Too great a risk for
fraud?
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw The Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 08:52:48 PM |
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Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB57F6D.FEA5%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099963740.lK115XY9QYS6yOfBe5W3Og@bubbanews on 11/8/04 6:29 PM:
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB55027.FE34%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey
lefties over at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out
of their minds than usual. The general theme seems to be that the
election was rigged using electronic voting machines. Here are just
some of the threads -- less than half easily -- about how the
election was stolen from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for
it all? I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the
stolen election claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation
into voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery
of the idea of a Democracy.
I don't believe there was any massive voter fraud but I don't like the
idea of electronic voting either.
Why do you not like the idea of electronic voting? Too great a risk for
fraud?
Possibly.
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| User: "Snit" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & ScrewThe Troops! |
08 Nov 2004 09:01:56 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099968768.Mr2IxcF19RE7QZF+bmS7aw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 7:52 PM:
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB57F6D.FEA5%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099963740.lK115XY9QYS6yOfBe5W3Og@bubbanews on 11/8/04 6:29 PM:
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in
news:BDB55027.FE34%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in post
1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews on 11/8/04 1:45 PM:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey
lefties over at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out
of their minds than usual. The general theme seems to be that the
election was rigged using electronic voting machines. Here are just
some of the threads -- less than half easily -- about how the
election was stolen from John Kerry....
In those threads there is a lot of information. Can you account for
it all? I can not - though I also am not one to say I fully buy the
stolen election claim.
As an American, though, you should be supportive of any investigation
into voter fraud. If such a thing was going on, that makes a mockery
of the idea of a Democracy.
I don't believe there was any massive voter fraud but I don't like the
idea of electronic voting either.
Why do you not like the idea of electronic voting? Too great a risk for
fraud?
Possibly.
I would agree. It is a possible risk, and there is some indication that
this risk has been realized.
Still waiting to gather / read / think about the info some more... but it
seems very possible this election was stolen.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: A Democratic Underground Double Feature: Vote Fraud & Screw TheTroops! |
08 Nov 2004 02:56:12 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties
<snip>
And even some of the mainstream press are questioning some of the
results that look pretty suspicious:
Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters
November 5, 2004 04:56 PM
According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.
Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.
Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support within certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.
Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.
Should America Trust the Results of the Election? Commentary by Shane Cory
November 5, 2004
Days after the election, 55 million Americans are still scratching their heads and wondering how it is that George W. Bush won reelection. Garnering 8 million more votes than he earned in 2000, many are raising eyebrows as to how this was accomplished.
While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this election just yet.
Members of the discussion forum, DemocraticUnderground.com dug in and have already found a clear error in the vote count within Ohio. In one voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center.
The Columbus Dispatch has investigated the matter and the director of the board of elections within the county admitted that Bush only received 365 votes. He stated that a "glitch" occurred in the electronic voting machine during the vote tally. This glitch could have given nearly 4,000 fake votes to George Bush if it had not discovered.
The Gahanna incident is just one confirmed mistake and was discovered by activists on the Internet. It was a fairly easy "glitch" to detect given the large discrepancy between the head count at the polling station and the votes for Bush. Given this voting error one must ask, how many more glitches occurred that only involved tens or hundreds of votes?
In Florida, exit polling data showed the opposite of the final results provided through the state. Even more surprising are the changes in votes per party that occurred on November 2nd. Counties using e-touch voting machines in Florida showed an average vote gain of 29% for Republicans and a 23.8% increase for Democrats. However the counties that used optical scan vote machines showed drastic differences. Republicans gained by 128.45% in counties using optical scan voting machines while Democrats had a -21% loss (yes, that is negative 21%). Some districts in Florida showed gains over 400% while one, Liberty County, gained over 700% for Republicans.
Many within the nation are left on the verge of outrage when faced with such evidence of possible fraud. Many are gearing up to investigate and determine what actually happened to the votes of millions of Americans or possibly the votes of many non-existent Americans.
One organization that is investigating the matter is BlackBoxVoting.org which is run by Bev Harris. Mrs. Harris has turned over evidence to authorities regarding vote fraud and has come to the conclusion that fraud did occur on November 2nd. However her group is uncertain as to the scope of the possible conspiracy. Unfortunately, Mrs. Harris has an uphill battle as no paper trail exists to verify the electronic voting data.
Over the past few years, Republicans have fought to prevent any type of paper trail through electronic voting. Despite printable ATM type receipts being a reasonable fail-safe, Republicans and corporations such as Diebold fought hard and eventually won the battle against a verifiable voting system.
Without question, the evidence presented thus far should raise suspicion among honest individuals. While maintaining a calm and reasonable demeanor, the results of the Novermber 2nd election should be fully investigated simply for the sake of the nation and our future confidence in the democratic process.
Shane Cory is the editor of the Washington Dispatch.
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| User: "Ubiquitous" |
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08 Nov 2004 06:06:57 PM |
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In article <1099946733.g97S/Dn6emm6sk9hovgIBw@bubbanews>,
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As expected in the wake of their loss at the polls, the looniey lefties over
at the Democratic Underground Forums are even more out of their minds than
usual.
And you are telling us in rec.arts.tv because?
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