Instead of disagreeing, why don't you propose the real reason women
abort their babies.

Instead of disagreeing, why don't you propose the real reason women
abort their babies. So you say it isn't for convenience. That's easy.
Now what's you reason women abort their young. And please try to
consider the record. We all know that it is not to save a life in vast
majority of cases.

Instead of disagreeing, why don't you propose the real reason women
abort their babies. So you say it isn't for convenience. That's easy.
Now what's you reason women abort their young. And please try to
consider the record. We all know that it is not to save a life in vast
majority of cases.

Instead of disagreeing, why don't you propose the real reason women
abort

So you say it isn't for convenience. That's easy.

Now what's you reason women abort their young.

as well as other safe methods
that prevent pregnancy.

Ooooh...Attila got quiet on this one.

Attila wrote:

On 17 Mar 2006 09:41:10 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1142617270.230674.177100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

vernonner3voltazim wrote:

For the pro-lifers....
What general statement can you make, that is provably Objectively True
(e.g. "The Earth is spherical"), from which it can be logically deduced
that abortions should be prohibited?

I dont' think abortion should be "outlawed" completely. However, I
think as a civilized society

Which means what?

and one that is supposed to care for life

As defined by who?

and for our future generation that we must assume some responsibility
in the protection of life, even the unborn.

Says who?

I think abortion is wrong,

Right and wrong have no intrinsic values and will change from person
to person and over time.

so let me just get that out of the way.
While I can sympathize and certainly understand some of the arguments
for abortion, such as rape cases and incest, for the most part I think
99% of all abortions are just plain out wrong.

As defined by you.

As it is my right to have my own opinion. Too bad you can't handle it.

I think the major reason women do abort are for matters of convenience.

So what? Many things are done for convenience. Or do you hunt and/or
grow your own food?

Such as...

A woman may not want to have the baby because she can not afford to

Is there anything you don't do because you can't afford it?

or
A woman may not want to be a mother just yet

Is there anything you don;t do because you don't want to?

or
A woman may have other plans and having a child at this point in time
would only interfere with her plans, such as finishing school.

Do you choose from conflicting desires when you decide what you are
going to do?

The above reasons are reasons based on matters of convenience. It
would be an "inconvenience" if she was to carry out the pregnancy.

So what?

Now, I am sure there are tons of other reasons but I think those are
the top three.

Of course, no one is required to give any reason or justification for
a decision made under the freedom of choice.

So as a society that is supposed to be educated and responsible do we
look the other way and excuse irresponsible actions for irresponsible
behavior?

Irresponsible as defined by you? I would consider either decision as
being responsible.

That's where I think that as a society we must work together, come to a
medium, and work on a resolution that can satisfy both sides.

As long as it agrees with what you want.

Do you know what "come to a medium" means?

Obviously you don't.

This is why most of you on the pro-choice side have to side with each
other in here, no one else will respect you.

I think there should be restrictions on abortion.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion - she wants
it.

There is only one reason for a woman not to get an abortion - she
doesn't want it.

If a woman is past the first tri-mester I think

An activity for which you have demonstrated you are unqualified.

that abortion should
not be allowed, unless the mothers life is truly in danger and the only
possible way to save her life is to abort the unborn child. The
chances of this happening though are VERY rare, almost unheard of in
our nation due to our excellent medical experts.

So while I can not think of a reason to "outlaw" abortion all together
I can think of reasons that it should be restricted.

Mostly because you don't approve.

Mostly because that's my opinion. You and your ilk sure have a problem
with opinions if they don't agree with you.

I also support that minors who are pregnant and are seeking abortion,
that their parents and/or guardians are notified before. After all,
abortion really is no different than any other medical procedure or
surgical procedure and we always have to have parental and/or guardian
permission before any surgical procedure is done to a minor, unless
it's a life threatening emergency and doctors must act "now" or else
the minor will die. Then I think medical doctors have an obligation to
save her life.

If a girl is able to become pregnant she should be allowed to make her
own decision.

If she is a minor, her parents and/or guardian should be notified as is
the case for almost every other medical prodecure and/or emergency.

So there is my opinion. Restrictred - yes

No.

Yes, but then again I value life and you don't.

Parental and/or guardian
notification - yes

No.

Yes, but then again I support parents rights and you don't.

Outlawed entirely - no Education to teach our kids to avoid getting
into a situation in which abortion may have to be considered - STRONGLY
AGREE. I support abstinence teaching

Which does not work.

It works 100% of the time when applied

as well as other safe methods
that prevent pregnancy.

Ooooh...Attila got quiet on this one.

Abortion is a legal choice, and as with any legal choice I will always
support a persons right to choose from one of those legal choices.
That does not mean I have to support "the choice".

And that goes for all legal choices, I don't isolate abortion to the
"pro-choice" agenda.

chirp..chirp...chirp...can't think of anything Attila?

I
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."

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"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "

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