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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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06 Aug 2005 04:24:22 PM |
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A Story You Won't See From the NRA... |
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
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a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1828 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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06 Aug 2005 04:50:48 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
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http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 12:34:49 AM |
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Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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09 Aug 2005 06:58:59 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
rfischer@sonic.net:
NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
That is a proposition which cannot be refuted by an
anecdote.
The newsgroups to which this has been posted are a curious
set. The appropriate newsgroup would be talk.politics.guns,
one would think.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 10:01:24 AM |
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G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
That is a proposition which cannot be refuted by an
anecdote.
We see lots of anecdotes from the pro-gun side.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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09 Aug 2005 11:18:32 AM |
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NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com>:
That is a proposition which cannot be refuted by an
anecdote.
rfischer@sonic.net:
We see lots of anecdotes from the pro-gun side.
That, too, is irrelevant, unless you just want to trade
funny stories. The one we were given is akin to a report of
two ambulances crashing into one another, a staple of the
weird-news category, but not very enlightening as to the
behavior of ambulances in general, or their total effect
on the communities who maintain them.
If you want to argue that the NRA is incorrect, you need to
do what they do: come up with a lot of statistics. Or, you
could argue that the total effects of gun possession were
unknowable, and that therefore the NRA cannot know what it
professes to know, and its statistics are misinterpreted.
I'll cross-post this to t.p.guns so that some qualified
gun nut can give you the appropriate references, and you
can get started.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 01:04:12 PM |
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G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com> wrote:
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NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com>:
That is a proposition which cannot be refuted by an
anecdote.
We see lots of anecdotes from the pro-gun side.
That, too, is irrelevant, unless you just want to trade
funny stories.
And yet, despite being irrelevant, we keep seeing anecdotes
presented as if they mean something.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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09 Aug 2005 01:12:13 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ddar6r$t10$1@bolt.sonic.net:
G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com> wrote:
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NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and
reduces crime.
G*rd*n <gcf@panix.com>:
That is a proposition which cannot be refuted by an
anecdote.
We see lots of anecdotes from the pro-gun side.
That, too, is irrelevant, unless you just want to trade
funny stories.
And yet, despite being irrelevant, we keep seeing anecdotes
presented as if they mean something.
There are a number of people on both sides of this issue (and on all
sides of lots of other issues) who accept "utilitarianism" as the
foundation of human rights (probably by default, since I doubt that
most of them understand the real meaning of what they're doing), so
they keep trying to give anecdotal evidence of instances where
allowing (or forbidding) the exercise of some right produced a good
or bad outcome.
This is stupid, and if accepted, dangerous.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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09 Aug 2005 03:59:18 PM |
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The problem with this "liberal" (socialist) is that he can't manage his own
life but wants to tell law abiding citizens what they can eat, wear, own,
and how to live. Just like his seat belt laws. It's is none of their damned
buisness.
If they don't want to possess weapons to defend themselves let them kive
like sheep at the whim of the wolf but leave us out of their micro managing
meddling
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 04:42:42 PM |
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wcrbudox <@galaxy.net> wrote:
The problem with this "liberal" (socialist) is that he can't manage his own
life but wants to tell law abiding citizens what they can eat, wear, own,
and how to live. Just like his seat belt laws. It's is none of their damned
buisness.
It's not liberals who do that.
It's neocons and conservatives. Anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-freedom,
pro-christian-chucrch republicans.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "wcrbudox" |
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09 Aug 2005 04:58:22 PM |
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Evidently the definition of "Conservative" is not well understood. A true
Conservative recognizes the original intent of the Founding Fathers and our
Constituion. It is not what Big Buisness has stolen and perverted the label
to be.
snip
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| User: "BOB" |
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09 Aug 2005 05:27:41 PM |
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"wcrbudox" <@galaxy.net> wrote in news:3G9Ke.15910$_41.13522@fe02.lga:
Evidently the definition of "Conservative" is not well understood. A
true Conservative recognizes the original intent of the Founding
Fathers and our Constituion. It is not what Big Buisness has stolen
and perverted the label to be.
snip
Conservatives have defined themselves to be hateful bigots with religious
cult-like attitudes and Taliban wannabees where governing is concerned.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 06:15:30 PM |
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wcrbudox <@galaxy.net> wrote:
Evidently the definition of "Conservative" is not well understood. A true
Conservative recognizes the original intent of the Founding Fathers and our
Constituion.
LOL! Yeah, "true" conservatives are in favor of racism, slavery, and
ensuring that only while male property owners have any power in
government.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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09 Aug 2005 05:02:22 PM |
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wcrbudox <@galaxy.net>:
The problem with this "liberal" (socialist) is that he can't manage his own
life but wants to tell law abiding citizens what they can eat, wear, own,
and how to live. Just like his seat belt laws. It's is none of their damned
buisness.
rfischer@sonic.net:
It's not liberals who do that.
It's neocons and conservatives. Anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-freedom,
pro-christian-chucrch republicans.
Certainly. So it is paradoxical that they support the
freedom to keep weapons, and their chief competitors are
supposed to oppose it.
However, the "socialist" business above is incorrect.
Socialists and other leftists are split on weapons ownership,
but I would say that the predominant leftist attitude today
is that it makes no sense to take guns out of the hands of
the working class and the poor while giving them to the military
and the police. Disarmament is inegalitarian, and therefore
against Left principles, unless it is applied across the board,
to the elites and their servants as well as to ordinary people.
In fact, where weapons control is most urgently needed is at
the top, where the most dangerous weapons are available and
the most extreme sociopaths congregate.
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
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09 Aug 2005 08:01:42 PM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
Then just what do YOU confuse the Democrat Party - which is the only
major party opposing tax cuts, supporting inheritance taxes, supporting
not drilling proven oilfields while gasoline is more expensive than
ever, opposing cuts in welfare, etc. with?
No $4 to park! No $6 admission!
http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Aug 2005 10:44:12 PM |
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<> wrote:
G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
Then just what do YOU confuse the Democrat Party - which is the only
major party opposing tax cuts,
TANSTAAFL. I realize that you right-wing welfare queens have
difficulty with the idea of paying for what you want, but money
still doesn't grow on trees.
supporting inheritance taxes,
Which affect only the very rich.
supporting
not drilling proven oilfields while gasoline is more expensive than
ever,
Which would have no effect on the nation;s oil supply.
opposing cuts in welfare,
Welfare doesn't exist anymore.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Two Bears" |
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09 Aug 2005 09:17:03 PM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
reply:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a612a9f3007.htm
ta tah...
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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09 Aug 2005 10:34:17 PM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
"Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com>:
reply:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a612a9f3007.htm
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
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09 Aug 2005 11:13:50 PM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
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G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
"Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com>:
reply:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a612a9f3007.htm
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
Nothing. However the FACTS that are on that website PROVE that
Democrats are socialists at heart.
ta tah...
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10 Aug 2005 09:28:02 AM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
"Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com>:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a612a9f3007.htm
G*rd*n:
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
"Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com>:
Nothing. However the FACTS that are on that website PROVE that
Democrats are socialists at heart.
I didn't see any facts, just a bunch of assertions. In any
case, saying that someone is a "socialist at heart" doesn't
mean much of anything -- for a politician, the important
things are what they say and do, and any politician who says
or does anything serious about transferring the ownership or
control of the means of production to the workers or the people
generally, which is what _socialism_ means, is going to be
eliminated immediately.
Why would the elites who select and fund the politicians
support acts and policies which would cut off their sources
of wealth and power? It doesn't make any sense. And sure
enough, when we look for the evidence of them doing so,
there isn't any.
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10 Aug 2005 03:15:23 AM |
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In the referenced article, "Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com> writes:
G*rd*n wrote:
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
Nothing. However the FACTS that are on that website PROVE that
Democrats are socialists at heart.
Supposedly the FACTS PROVE that Democrats are card-carrying
socialists. I did a search for those names on the DSA website:
google: mckinney defazio hinchey site:dsausa.org
There was one hit, an account of a motion on healthcare. There was no
indication that any of those people were members of DSA.
(I had to drop Sanders because otherwise I got no hits at all.)
--
Differenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario
rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle
nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici.
Home page: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/
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10 Aug 2005 04:33:25 AM |
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M J Carley wrote:
In the referenced article, "Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com> writes:
G*rd*n wrote:
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
Nothing. However the FACTS that are on that website PROVE that
Democrats are socialists at heart.
Supposedly the FACTS PROVE that Democrats are card-carrying
socialists. I did a search for those names on the DSA website:
google: mckinney defazio hinchey site:dsausa.org
There was one hit, an account of a motion on healthcare. There was no
indication that any of those people were members of DSA.
(I had to drop Sanders because otherwise I got no hits at all.)
I tried using their own search engine for the congressmen in
question. Independent Sanders gets three hits. Democrat
McKinney gets no hits. Democrat DeFazio gets no hits.
Democrat Hinchey gets no hits. Democrat Owens gets no hits.
Democrat Velazquez gets no hits. At this point, it seems
pointless to continue.
If you keep reading, in fact, you discover that the list
gives the members of the Progressive Caucus. Apparently only
Sanders, an Independent, not a Democrat, belongs to the DSA.
The confusion apparently comes from the DSA formerly giving
the list of Progressive Caucus members on their website.
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Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1587154838/thedanclorenecro/
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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10 Aug 2005 11:10:10 AM |
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Two Bears <TWOBrs@aol.com> wrote:
G*rd*n wrote:
However, all that may be much too complicated and subtle for
someone who confuses the Democratic Party with liberalism and
socialism.
"Two Bears" <TWOBrs@aol.com>:
reply:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a612a9f3007.htm
What are a lot of unsubstantiated and theoretically confused
assertions supposed to prove?
Nothing. However the FACTS that are on that website PROVE that
Democrats are socialists at heart.
You think that a biased, conservative web site proves something about
Democrats? Do you also think that nazi literature proves that Jews
are inferior?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Aug 2005 10:18:31 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
You think that a biased, conservative web site proves something about
Democrats?
Yes.
Do you also think that nazi literature proves that Jews
are inferior?
No, I don't believe that National SOCIALIST literature proves anything.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
ta tah...
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09 Aug 2005 08:20:07 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
If the news story is accurate, the killing in question
occurred in self-defense. So that's one life saved and one
murder prevented.
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1587154838/thedanclorenecro/
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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09 Aug 2005 10:02:20 AM |
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Dan Clore <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other? Either way, what's
it to do with the NRA?
NRA says that owning and carrying weapons saves lives and reduces crime.
If the news story is accurate, the killing in question
occurred in self-defense. So that's one life saved and one
murder prevented.
That's either sarcasm or rank idiocy.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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06 Aug 2005 08:37:30 PM |
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I'll never know another Andrealphus like Andrealphus in
alt.politics.homosexuality, they're so drad:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote...
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other?
Both drew, only one got off a shot? Mind you, I haven't looked at the blog.
Either way, what's it to do with the NRA?
Well, one presumes both were members...
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Superfaggot; GGGHD; MWFA; HCNB; MU; BCB; FI
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Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
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06 Aug 2005 08:40:30 PM |
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"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykransepop@woem.gro> wrote in message
news:uBdJe.129513$5V4.31067@pd7tw3no...
I'll never know another Andrealphus like Andrealphus in
alt.politics.homosexuality, they're so drad:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote...
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other?
Both drew, only one got off a shot? Mind you, I haven't looked at the
blog.
Either way, what's it to do with the NRA?
Well, one presumes both were members...
Why would you presume that? And even if that were true, why would the NRA
be responsible for action that goes against every rule of membership of the
NRA?
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| User: "Del" |
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07 Aug 2005 06:07:03 AM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykransepop@woem.gro> wrote in message
news:uBdJe.129513$5V4.31067@pd7tw3no...
I'll never know another Andrealphus like Andrealphus in
alt.politics.homosexuality, they're so drad:
"Yang, A thD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote...
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- describ ed as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other?
Both drew, only one got off a shot? Mind you, I haven't looked at the
blog.
Either way, what's it to do with the NRA?
Well, one presumes both were members...
Why would you presume that? And even if that were true, why would the NRA
be responsible for action
Surprise! Another straw man. This is about "A Story
You Won't See From the NRA..." no matter how much
you want it to be about something else.
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07 Aug 2005 06:11:24 AM |
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"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Andrealphus wrote:
"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykransepop@woem.gro> wrote in message
news:uBdJe.129513$5V4.31067@pd7tw3no...
I'll never know another Andrealphus like Andrealphus in
alt.politics.homosexuality, they're so drad:
"Yang, A thD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote...
http://wirecan.blogspot.com/2005/08/united-not-divided.html
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market
on Thursday allegedly led both men -- describ ed as "good friends" --
to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq]
war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who
opposed it, investigators said.
So.. They guys drew guns, or did they shoot each other?
Both drew, only one got off a shot? Mind you, I haven't looked at the
blog.
Either way, what's it to do with the NRA?
Well, one presumes both were members...
Why would you presume that? And even if that were true, why would the
NRA
be responsible for action
Surprise! Another straw man.
Surprise! Another question you can't answer!
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: A Story You Won't See From the NRA... |
09 Aug 2005 10:26:38 AM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1123412823.756096.170990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Andrealphus wrote:
"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykransepop@woem.gro> wrote in message
news:uBdJe.129513 $5V4.31067@pd7tw3no...
There is a lot here that a lightweight like you, Andrealphus,
won't be able to honestly address, let alone refute. Therefore
I predict that you will delete most of it, go off on a tangent,
and that tangent will be to, somehow, try to make ME the
issue. It is an easy prediction to make since this is exactly
what you've done to this point and you clearly are a one-
trick pony.
[=2E..]
Why would you presume that? And even if that were true, why would the
NRA
be responsible for action
Surprise! Another straw man. This is about "A Story
You Won't See From the NRA..." no matter how much
you want it to be about something else.
Surprise! Another question you can't answer!
Wow, I point out that his question: "why would the NRA be
responsible for action [sic]" is invalid since no one said
(at least to this juncture) that the NRA was responsible for
what these two gun huggers did. Rather the topic is about
"A Story You Won't See From the NRA..." So why does
Andrealphus ask a question that has nothing to do with the
issue? A couple of possible reasons: First, so he can
change the subject from one he doesn't want people to talk
about to one that he wants to talk about. Second, so he can
create the impression that to question the NRA's hypocrisy*
is really about "blaiming" the NRA for what these two gun
huggers did. This is a classic, textbook straw man.
* What the NRA does--and the subject of this thread--is to "card
stack," which is defined as: "the selective distortion of an issue
by presenting it in an unfair, one-sided fashion" - Johannesen,
Richard L. Ethics and Persuasion. First ed., New York: Random
House, 1967. p. 7 - 10. The NRA billboards positive gun stories
and totally ignores the negative ones. Andrealphus sees nothing
wrong with this--at least when the NRA does it. But you can bet
your last kopek he howls to the moon when HGI does the same
thing in reverse. I guess that's why they call it "double standards."
=EF=A3=BF
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