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"ritpg" |
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19 Nov 2007 01:45:28 PM |
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A True Test of the Pro-Aborts |
It's really great to see in the following article how the pro-life
lobby has been a force in getting scientists to seek new, ethical ways
to solve the stem cell issue. If this new science works out - and
there is no reason to think it won't - there will be no reason
whatsoever to destroy human eggs to extract stem cells - at least not
to fix damage from disease and injury. Of course we all know that for
some (many?) of the pro-aborts, it's never been about making people
better. For them it's always about creating another reason to destroy
human life. You see - and they will never admit this - they want
population control through the systematic destruction of human life.
They are convinced that we will populate our selves into a global
cataclysm that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world as
we know it. And to head that off, they desire the destruction of
defenseless forms of human life - preferrably among the poor and
illiterate.
So some of you pro-aborts will read the following article and rejoice
that we may have have found an alternative way to produce the stem
cells needed. And some of you will be upset by the news because now
you have to find a replacement way to carry out your true agenda.
Now read on....
Dolly creator Prof Ian Wilmut shuns cloning
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:30pm GMT 16/11/2007Page 1 of 3
Have your say Read comments
The scientist who created Dolly the sheep, a breakthrough that
provoked headlines around the world a decade ago, is to abandon the
cloning technique he pioneered to create her.
The life and death of Dolly the diva, by Ian Wilmut
Ian Wilmut: The status of the human embryo
Have you say: Can cloning ever be ethical?
Prof Ian Wilmut's decision to turn his back on "therapeutic cloning",
just days after US researchers announced a breakthrough in the cloning
of primates, will send shockwaves through the scientific
establishment.
Ian Wilmut, the creator of Dolly the Sheep
He and his team made headlines around the world in 1997 when they
unveiled Dolly, born July of the year before.
But now he has decided not to pursue a licence to clone human embryos,
which he was awarded just two years ago, as part of a drive to find
new treatments for the devastating degenerative condition, Motor
Neuron disease.
Prof Wilmut, who works at Edinburgh University, believes a rival
method pioneered in Japan has better potential for making human
embryonic cells which can be used to grow a patient's own cells and
tissues for a vast range of treatments, from treating strokes to heart
attacks and Parkinson's, and will be less controversial than the Dolly
method, known as "nuclear transfer."
His announcement could mark the beginning of the end for therapeutic
cloning, on which tens of millions of pounds have been spent worldwide
over the past decade. "I decided a few weeks ago not to pursue nuclear
transfer," Prof Wilmut said.
Most of his motivation is practical but he admits the Japanese
approach is also "easier to accept socially."
His inspiration comes from the research by Prof Shinya Yamanaka at
Kyoto University, which suggests a way to create human embryo stem
cells without the need for human eggs, which are in extremely short
supply, and without the need to create and destroy human cloned
embryos, which is bitterly opposed by the pro life movement.
advertisementProf Yamanaka has shown in mice how to turn skin cells
into what look like versatile stem cells potentially capable of
overcoming the effects of disease.
This pioneering work to revert adult cells to an embryonic state has
been reproduced by a team in America and Prof Yamanaka is, according
to one British stem cell scientist, thought to have achieved the same
feat in human cells.
This work has profound significance because it suggests that after a
heart attack, for example, skin cells from a patient might one day be
manipulated by adding a cocktail of small molecules to form muscle
cells to repair damage to the heart, or brain cells to repair the
effects of Parkinson's. Because they are the patient's own cells, they
would not be rejected.
In theory, these reprogrammed cells could be converted into any of the
200 other type in the body, even the collections of different cell
types that make up tissues and, in the very long term, organs too.
Prof Wilmut said it was "extremely exciting and astonishing" and that
he now plans to do research in this area.
This approach, he says, represents, the future for stem cell research,
rather than the nuclear transfer method that his large team used more
than a decade ago at the Roslin Institute, near Edinburgh, to create
Dolly.
In this method, the DNA contents of an adult cell are put into an
emptied egg and stimulated with a shock of electricity to develop into
a cloned embryo, which must be then dismantled to yield the flexible
stem cells.
More than a decade ago, biologists though the mechanisms that picked
the relevant DNA code that made a cell adopt the identity of skin,
rather than muscle, brain or whatever, were so complex and so rigidly
fixed that it would not be possible to undo them.
They were amazed when this deeply-held conviction was overturned by
Dolly, the first mammal to be cloned from an adult cell, a feat with
numerous practical applications, most remarkably in stem cell science.
But although "therapeutic cloning" offers a way to get a patient's own
embryonic stem cells to generate unlimited supplies of cells and
tissue there is an intense search for alternatives because of pressure
from the pro-life lobby, the opposition of President George W Bush and
ever present concerns about cloning babies.
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Aborts |
19 Nov 2007 02:27:36 PM |
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"ritpg" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d52dfd30-3873-4b92-99da-286bdb2ca4e6@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's really great to see in the following article how the pro-life
lobby has been a force in getting scientists to seek new, ethical ways
to solve the stem cell issue. If this new science works out - and
there is no reason to think it won't - there will be no reason
whatsoever to destroy human eggs to extract stem cells - at least not
to fix damage from disease and injury. Of course we all know that for
some (many?) of the pro-aborts, it's never been about making people
better. For them it's always about creating another reason to destroy
human life. You see - and they will never admit this - they want
population control through the systematic destruction of human life.
They are convinced that we will populate our selves into a global
cataclysm that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world as
we know it. And to head that off, they desire the destruction of
defenseless forms of human life - preferrably among the poor and
illiterate.
So some of you pro-aborts will read the following article and rejoice
that we may have have found an alternative way to produce the stem
cells needed. And some of you will be upset by the news because now
you have to find a replacement way to carry out your true agenda.
I know you've been told this many times before, but...you truly are an
idiot.
Now read on....
Dolly creator Prof Ian Wilmut shuns cloning
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:30pm GMT 16/11/2007Page 1 of 3
You're just now getting around to trolling with this, Terri?
Do try and keep up.
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| User: "ritpg" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Aborts |
19 Nov 2007 03:28:10 PM |
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On Nov 19, 3:27 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"ritpg" <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d52dfd30-3873-4b92-99da-286bdb2ca4e6@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's really great to see in the following article how the pro-life
lobby has been a force in getting scientists to seek new, ethical ways
to solve the stem cell issue. If this new science works out - and
there is no reason to think it won't - there will be no reason
whatsoever to destroy human eggs to extract stem cells - at least not
to fix damage from disease and injury. Of course we all know that for
some (many?) of the pro-aborts, it's never been about making people
better. For them it's always about creating another reason to destroy
human life. You see - and they will never admit this - they want
population control through the systematic destruction of human life.
They are convinced that we will populate our selves into a global
cataclysm that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world as
we know it. And to head that off, they desire the destruction of
defenseless forms of human life - preferrably among the poor and
illiterate.
So some of you pro-aborts will read the following article and rejoice
that we may have have found an alternative way to produce the stem
cells needed. And some of you will be upset by the news because now
you have to find a replacement way to carry out your true agenda.
I know you've been told this many times before, but...you truly are an
idiot.
Now read on....
Dolly creator Prof Ian Wilmut shuns cloning
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:30pm GMT 16/11/2007Page 1 of 3
You're just now getting around to trolling with this, Terri?
Do try and keep up.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Read the entire article - assuming you're capable of grasping what is
new in it.
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Aborts |
19 Nov 2007 03:46:11 PM |
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"ritpg" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:873dfe62-975b-4f2b-a075-3ed6e4de3e1c@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 19, 3:27 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"ritpg" <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d52dfd30-3873-4b92-99da-286bdb2ca4e6@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's really great to see in the following article how the pro-life
lobby has been a force in getting scientists to seek new, ethical ways
to solve the stem cell issue. If this new science works out - and
there is no reason to think it won't - there will be no reason
whatsoever to destroy human eggs to extract stem cells - at least not
to fix damage from disease and injury. Of course we all know that for
some (many?) of the pro-aborts, it's never been about making people
better. For them it's always about creating another reason to destroy
human life. You see - and they will never admit this - they want
population control through the systematic destruction of human life.
They are convinced that we will populate our selves into a global
cataclysm that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world as
we know it. And to head that off, they desire the destruction of
defenseless forms of human life - preferrably among the poor and
illiterate.
So some of you pro-aborts will read the following article and rejoice
that we may have have found an alternative way to produce the stem
cells needed. And some of you will be upset by the news because now
you have to find a replacement way to carry out your true agenda.
I know you've been told this many times before, but...you truly are an
idiot.
Now read on....
Dolly creator Prof Ian Wilmut shuns cloning
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:30pm GMT 16/11/2007Page 1 of 3
You're just now getting around to trolling with this, Terri?
Do try and keep up.
Read the entire article - assuming you're capable of grasping what is
new in it.
I have, _days ago_ when it came out.
It seems to bear watching, and good be very good news.
So what's your point?
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| User: "ritpg" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Aborts |
28 Nov 2007 08:44:57 AM |
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On Nov 19, 4:46 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"ritpg" <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:873dfe62-975b-4f2b-a075-3ed6e4de3e1c@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 19, 3:27 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"ritpg" <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d52dfd30-3873-4b92-99da-286bdb2ca4e6@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's really great to see in the following article how the pro-life
lobby has been a force in getting scientists to seek new, ethical ways
to solve the stem cell issue. If this new science works out - and
there is no reason to think it won't - there will be no reason
whatsoever to destroy human eggs to extract stem cells - at least not
to fix damage from disease and injury. Of course we all know that for
some (many?) of the pro-aborts, it's never been about making people
better. For them it's always about creating another reason to destroy
human life. You see - and they will never admit this - they want
population control through the systematic destruction of human life.
They are convinced that we will populate our selves into a global
cataclysm that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the world as
we know it. And to head that off, they desire the destruction of
defenseless forms of human life - preferrably among the poor and
illiterate.
So some of you pro-aborts will read the following article and rejoice
that we may have have found an alternative way to produce the stem
cells needed. And some of you will be upset by the news because now
you have to find a replacement way to carry out your true agenda.
I know you've been told this many times before, but...you truly are an
idiot.
Now read on....
Dolly creator Prof Ian Wilmut shuns cloning
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:30pm GMT 16/11/2007Page 1 of 3
You're just now getting around to trolling with this, Terri?
Do try and keep up.
Read the entire article - assuming you're capable of grasping what is
new in it.
I have, _days ago_ when it came out.
It seems to bear watching, and good be very good news.
So what's your point?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
as I said in my original post, for them it isn't about medical cures.
It's about population control, especially among the poor and
disadvantaged who are most likely to buckle under financial pressures
to have abortions, sell their eggs, etc. Keep the poor poor and use
their poverty to induce them to stop reproducing through abortion.
Josef Mengele would be proud.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Liars |
28 Nov 2007 10:31:19 PM |
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ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
Your side being against life and ours being for life?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ritpg" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Liars |
30 Nov 2007 10:57:05 AM |
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On Nov 28, 11:31 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
Your side being against life and ours being for life?
--
Ray Fischer
No. Your side being for self-gratifying hedonism (propped up by
abortion) and my side being against it.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Liars |
30 Nov 2007 11:43:44 AM |
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On Nov 30, 5:57 pm, ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 11:31 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
Your side being against life and ours being for life?
--
Ray Fischer
No. Your side being for self-gratifying hedonism (propped up by
abortion) and my side being against it.
You're a really sick *****, you know that?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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30 Nov 2007 01:41:53 PM |
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"Gwyneð Bennetdottir" <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 30, 5:57 pm, ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 11:31 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
Your side being against life and ours being for life?
No. Your side being for self-gratifying hedonism (propped up by
abortion) and my side being against it.
You're a really sick *****, you know that?
I guess Rhode Island Red isn't getting serviced by the RCC any more...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 3, Houston 0 (November 28)
NEXT GAME: Friday, November 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: A True Test of the Pro-Liars |
30 Nov 2007 09:17:51 PM |
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ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 11:31 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
ritpg <ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
My point is that, while you think this is good news, some (many?) on
your side of the sanctity of life issue think it's bad news because,
Your side being against life and ours being for life?
No. Your side being for self-gratifying hedonism
And there's that pro-lie hatred and bigotry again.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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