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Science > Abortion |
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"Non scrivetemi" |
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07 Apr 2006 12:53:45 AM |
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ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?
We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
07 Apr 2006 01:03:36 AM |
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*plonk*
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
07 Apr 2006 07:29:10 PM |
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Why did you PLONK him?
He makes a good case.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 09:48:41 AM |
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<SNOMAN120264@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1144456150.022826.251380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Why did you PLONK him?
He makes a good case.
Because it's not germane to the Sabres newsgroup. Are you
posting for the Sabres newsgroup. If not, I will gladly killfile
you as well.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
07 Apr 2006 07:45:18 PM |
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SNOMAN120264@HOTMAIL.COM, the plump scumbag and unlovable King
Ding-a-ling Slinger who likes pitiless crank yanking with penguins, and
whose partner is a town-tramp with a whiskerless minnie's pearl, wrote
in <1144456150.022826.251380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:
Why did you PLONK him?
He makes a good case.
It's doubtful he would agree to be used in stem-cell research though.
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http://xp-crack.kadaitcha.cx
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 12:01:05 AM |
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Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're really
not interested.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 12:09:16 AM |
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Geoff <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>, the dirty wretch and tubby-arsed
slave-boy who likes hellish mango manipulation with leeches, and whose
partner is a sidewalk-socialite with a decrepit love muffin, wrote in
<ON2dncWZmZkP3qrZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>:
Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're
really not interested.
*****.
--
http://xp-crack.kadaitcha.cx
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 12:16:43 AM |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <*****-you.ya.*****@kiss-my-big-black-*****.com> wrote in
message news:uu3vk7$ehr$x@diminished-nancies.org.jp...
Geoff <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>, the dirty wretch and tubby-arsed
slave-boy who likes hellish mango manipulation with leeches, and whose
partner is a sidewalk-socialite with a decrepit love muffin, wrote in
<ON2dncWZmZkP3qrZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>:
Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're
really not interested.
*****.
Roger that...*plonk*
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| User: "Xolok the canny bedpan-promoter" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 04:14:13 PM |
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Geoff <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
"Kadaitcha Man" <*****-you.ya.*****@kiss-my-big-black-*****.com> wrote in
message news:uu3vk7$ehr$x@diminished-nancies.org.jp...
Geoff <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>, the dirty wretch and tubby-arsed
slave-boy who likes hellish mango manipulation with leeches, and
whose partner is a sidewalk-socialite with a decrepit love muffin,
wrote in <ON2dncWZmZkP3qrZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>:
Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're
really not interested.
*****.
Roger that...*plonk*
Your krillfile is fucked.
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| User: "Purple Microdot" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 01:20:26 AM |
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Non scrivetemi wrote...
Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?
We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.
I'm not necessarily against it, but it seems that if aborted fetuses
became the only source of stem cells (i.e. the harvested stem cells
could not be grown in the lab and a constant supply of new cells
from aborted fetuses was necessary), then we would see women aborting
their fetuses in exchange for money. Even if no money was exchanged,
there already have been cases where parents deliberately conceived a
child in order to provide tissue for another of their children. The
case I remember had the fetus carried to birth, but it is also
possible that once the tissue was matched the fetus would be aborted.
So is it ethical to create a fetus just to be aborted for its tissue?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 09:49:00 AM |
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Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your posts. We're not interested.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 01:50:38 AM |
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Purple Microdot <totally@tripping.balls.com> wrote:
Non scrivetemi wrote...
Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?
We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.
I'm not necessarily against it, but it seems that if aborted fetuses
became the only source of stem cells (i.e. the harvested stem cells
could not be grown in the lab and a constant supply of new cells
from aborted fetuses was necessary), then we would see women aborting
their fetuses in exchange for money.
That makes no sense.
1) There is an ample supply of free tissue
2) It's easy to make selling of fetal tissue a crime
3) Researchers aren't willing to throw away careers to get easily
obtained tissue samples.
Even if no money was exchanged,
there already have been cases where parents deliberately conceived a
child in order to provide tissue for another of their children. The
case I remember had the fetus carried to birth, but it is also
possible that once the tissue was matched the fetus would be aborted.
And how often does that happen now?
So is it ethical to create a fetus just to be aborted for its tissue?
How ethical is it to demand that a child die because some people don't
like harvestign tissue?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 09:49:10 AM |
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Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your posts. We're not interested.
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| User: "Don" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
08 Apr 2006 01:54:25 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Purple Microdot <totally@tripping.balls.com> wrote:
Non scrivetemi wrote...
Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?
We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.
I'm not necessarily against it, but it seems that if aborted fetuses
became the only source of stem cells (i.e. the harvested stem cells
could not be grown in the lab and a constant supply of new cells
from aborted fetuses was necessary), then we would see women aborting
their fetuses in exchange for money.
When considering the issue of embryonic stem cells it's important to
have a good idea of what you're actually discussing. Embryonic stem
cells (ES cells) are not taken from a "fetus" they're taken from a
blastocyst. This is the pre implantation embryo that is still very
much at the cellular stage and would not be considered a "fetus" -
depending on your views about when life begins you may or may not
consider this an actual life. In reality it's a small mass of cells
requiring a microscope to visualize it's not a 6 month old fetus with a
heart, legs, brain etc...(of course it has the potential to become
this)
Also once ES cells are harvested it is possible to maintain them in
cell culture. ES cells are capable of self renewal. Right now there
are only a small number of ES cell lines available in the US, the
argument posed is that blastocysts being maintained in fertility
clinics should be allowed to be used in stem cell research, since the
majority of these will eventually be destroyed - a waste of perfectly
good cells. Personally i don't believe in any sort of financial reward
for couples wishing to donate their left over embryo's but I think most
people who are going to have their embryo's destroyed would want to
have them go to scientific research so that something good could come
out of the remaining embryos.
That makes no sense.
1) There is an ample supply of free tissue
2) It's easy to make selling of fetal tissue a crime
3) Researchers aren't willing to throw away careers to get easily
obtained tissue samples.
Even if no money was exchanged,
there already have been cases where parents deliberately conceived a
child in order to provide tissue for another of their children. The
case I remember had the fetus carried to birth, but it is also
possible that once the tissue was matched the fetus would be aborted.
This is a very different type of case and is not an example of "stem
cell research" Theoretically if stem cell research becomes advanced
enough, one would be able to start with the very small stem cells and
grow new skin or a heart to transplant into a baby or adult - so that
parents wouldn't have to "carry a fetus to birth in order to provide
tissue for another child."
And how often does that happen now?
So is it ethical to create a fetus just to be aborted for its tissue?
Personally no i don't think so, because we have a significant source of
unused embryo's in fertility clinics that could be used to establish
new stem cell lines.
How ethical is it to demand that a child die because some people don't
like harvestign tissue?
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| User: "Psilocybe cubensis" |
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| Title: Re: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? |
09 Apr 2006 06:41:17 PM |
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Don wrote...
When considering the issue of embryonic stem cells it's important to
have a good idea of what you're actually discussing. Embryonic stem
cells (ES cells) are not taken from a "fetus" they're taken from a
blastocyst...
Well assume that they're looking for a way to turn your own adult
cells into stem cells to be reprogrammed (e.g. turn your skin cell
into a new heart cell to regrow your heart or liver etc.). It may
not work for some time, but they discover that fetal (not embryonic)
developing cells can be easily reprogrammed. The whole fetus might
be reprogrammed to liver tissue and shaped on scaffolds to form
synthetic organs. Tissue type will still matter, so fetuses could
be bred for specific characteristics and aborted once the genetic
compatibility was determined. It's not so far-fetched, and I can
see that such a scenario would definitely lead to fetus farms, no
matter how illegal it was made. Oh, and of course they might just
harvest the fetus' developing organs and after transplant they would
quickly grow to adult size.
If you think the USA won't do it, China certainly would. In the
Chinese newsgroups we are arguing about how they are executing
prisoners and selling their organs to foreigners. I have a link to
a Chinese hospital that offers such transplants, in English and
prices in U.S. Dollars as $70,000 for a kidney and $120,000 for a
liver. One has to question how valid their death sentences were,
and to top it off their executions are not scheduled and they day
they die is determined by when their organs are needed. The medical
technology really is so basic these days that any country or even
criminal operations within Western countries would provide the
public with the life-saving tissue they want and are willing to pay
huge sums of money for.
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