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"REM460" |
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02 Apr 2004 01:05:44 AM |
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ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
The INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of a pregnant woman to control
her own body must likewise be protected.
If the "pro-lifers" would show as much concern for ALL
People AFTER birth as they do for fetus's before birth, the
world could rapidly become a decent place to live in.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
P.S.: LIKE THE TALIBAN, fundamentalist Christians want to
create and MIS-use man-made laws to IMPOSE their self-
righteous religious values against the rest of us.
P.S.2: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
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| Title: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
06 Apr 2004 02:56:57 PM |
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ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
The INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of a pregnant woman to control
her own body must likewise be protected.
If the "pro-lifers" would show as much concern for ALL
People AFTER birth as they do for fetus's before birth, the
world could rapidly become a decent place to live in.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
P.S.: LIKE THE TALIBAN, fundamentalist Christians want to
create and MIS-use man-made laws to IMPOSE their self-
righteous religious values against the rest of us.
P.S.2: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
10 Apr 2004 07:29:55 PM |
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<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
Human breath from the physical lungs is NOT the same as the BREATH of GOD to
create a soul. God breathed the FIRST breath of life into ADAM, whom He
created FULLY grown, so it has NOTHING to do with a person conceived by
procreation means. God places the soul in the human at conception, for it
would NOT be able to develop if it did NOT have the LIFE that God gave it.
cont
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
There is NOTHING FREE in this country. The ONLY thing you are freely allowed
to do, is murder your unborn child, and that is law because it is
financially lucrative, and watch as much porno as you want, for the same
reason. That's it. You can't even drive without a seat belt, or have the
control over your own body to smoke a joint, but you THINK you live in a
FREE country, only because the government tells you that you do, while
making everything unlawful, oppressive and ALL for their own control of you.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
The INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of a pregnant woman to control
her own body must likewise be protected.
If the "pro-lifers" would show as much concern for ALL
People AFTER birth as they do for fetus's before birth, the
world could rapidly become a decent place to live in.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
P.S.: LIKE THE TALIBAN, fundamentalist Christians want to
create and MIS-use man-made laws to IMPOSE their self-
righteous religious values against the rest of us.
P.S.2: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
10 Apr 2004 08:16:16 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:7k0ec.8524$QQ6.5206@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
Human breath from the physical lungs is NOT the same as the BREATH of GOD
to
create a soul. God breathed the FIRST breath of life into ADAM, whom He
created FULLY grown, so it has NOTHING to do with a person conceived by
procreation means. God places the soul in the human at conception, for it
would NOT be able to develop if it did NOT have the LIFE that God gave it.
This is closer to what Earl's church teaches than what Earl said.
Dore 1 Earl 0
That says a lot.
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| User: "The Omniscient Blade" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
11 Apr 2004 06:13:15 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:7k0ec.8524$QQ6.5206@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
Human breath from the physical lungs is NOT the same as the BREATH of GOD
to
create a soul. God breathed the FIRST breath of life into ADAM, whom He
created FULLY grown, so it has NOTHING to do with a person conceived by
procreation means. God places the soul in the human at conception, for it
would NOT be able to develop if it did NOT have the LIFE that God gave it.
Life is a biochemical process that proceeds as a result of physical rules
that govern the universe. There is no manner in which something can be
inhibited from developing without the introduction of other chemicals that
stop the initial biochemical reactions. A human embryo develops because of
its nature, not because it recieves any special ethereal signals. The sperm
and egg are also alive and infact at no point in the human life cycle is a
non-living aspect ever in existence.
cont
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
There is NOTHING FREE in this country. The ONLY thing you are freely
allowed
to do, is murder your unborn child, and that is law because it is
financially lucrative, and watch as much porno as you want, for the same
reason. That's it. You can't even drive without a seat belt, or have the
control over your own body to smoke a joint, but you THINK you live in a
FREE country, only because the government tells you that you do, while
making everything unlawful, oppressive and ALL for their own control of
you.
If you think freedom has been so curtailed, perhaps you would better spend
your time trying to regain lost freedoms that criticising the ones we still
have.
--
Blade
Smart people can fake being stupid, but stupid people cannot fake being
smart.
Change .con to demon<dot>co<dot>uk to reply by e-mail.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
10 Apr 2004 11:38:39 PM |
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Dore <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote:
Human breath from the physical lungs is NOT the same as the BREATH of GOD to
create a soul.
How would you know?
God breathed the FIRST breath of life into ADAM, whom He
created FULLY grown,
Says who?
so it has NOTHING to do with a person conceived by
procreation means.
Why not?
God places the soul in the human at conception,
Says who?
for it
would NOT be able to develop if it did NOT have the LIFE that God gave it.
It would not be able to fertilize if it wasn't alive before
conception.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
10 Apr 2004 08:23:36 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:29:55 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<7k0ec.8524$QQ6.5206@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> wrote:
Human breath from the physical lungs is NOT the same as the BREATH of GOD
Which you have yet to prove exists.
to
create a soul.
Which you have yet to prove exists.
God
Which you have yet to prove exists.
breathed the FIRST breath of life into ADAM,
Which you have yet to prove ever existed.
whom He
created FULLY grown, so it has NOTHING to do with a person conceived by
procreation means. God places the soul in the human at conception, for it
would NOT be able to develop if it did NOT have the LIFE that God gave it.
You have yet to prove any of that is true.
There is NOTHING FREE in this country. The ONLY thing you are freely allowed
to do, is murder your unborn child,
Wrong. Abortion is not murder because abortion is legal and murder
requires an illegal act.
and that is law because it is
financially lucrative,
Nonsense. There is much more money in pre-natal care.
and watch as much porno as you want, for the same
reason. That's it. You can't even drive without a seat belt, or have the
control over your own body to smoke a joint
So you think drugs should be legal.
, but you THINK you live in a
FREE country, only because the government tells you that you do, while
making everything unlawful, oppressive and ALL for their own control of you.
Nope.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
06 Apr 2004 08:20:40 PM |
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<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
If you are going to play the creationist game and use the fairy tales in the
bible to prove your point you should really try a little harder.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
Ah, I should have read farther. You believe in another faiiry tale, the
AURA.
How special.
Show it to us and there's a million dollars in it for you.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
So a law that says you have to have a seat belt on is automatically null and
void?
Your AURA is tarenished.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
*****, it's McElwrong, I wasted my time.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
07 Apr 2004 06:13:22 PM |
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I wouldn't rubbish people who can see the human aura.
It is a rare gift, and they don't usually make it out to be a neat thing.
Seeing something everyone else can't see.
Eckankar does have a tanished image though.
They are not as white as the undriven snow.
Harvey
In article <IHIcc.49293$He5.950707@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mdotpainter@att.net says...
<rem8@usa.com> wrote in message
news:8cc28b34.0404061156.51eb947d@posting.google.com...
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
If you are going to play the creationist game and use the fairy tales in the
bible to prove your point you should really try a little harder.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
Ah, I should have read farther. You believe in another faiiry tale, the
AURA.
How special.
Show it to us and there's a million dollars in it for you.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
So a law that says you have to have a seat belt on is automatically null and
void?
Your AURA is tarenished.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
*****, it's McElwrong, I wasted my time.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
07 Apr 2004 06:37:16 PM |
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:mW%cc.7500$u%1.784522@news02.tsnz.net...
I wouldn't rubbish people who can see the human aura.
It is a rare gift, and they don't usually make it out to be a neat thing.
Seeing something everyone else can't see.
I would.
If anybody at any time can post any valid scientific information about
anybody seeing something there is no evidence for then I might change my
mind.
Until them it is as valid as astrology, homeopathic medicine, and the belief
that demons cause lightening.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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08 Apr 2004 05:10:51 AM |
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I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Harvey
In article <Mg0dc.32264$vo5.1019872@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mdotpainter@att.net says...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:mW%cc.7500$u%1.784522@news02.tsnz.net...
I wouldn't rubbish people who can see the human aura.
It is a rare gift, and they don't usually make it out to be a neat thing.
Seeing something everyone else can't see.
I would.
If anybody at any time can post any valid scientific information about
anybody seeing something there is no evidence for then I might change my
mind.
Until them it is as valid as astrology, homeopathic medicine, and the belief
that demons cause lightening.
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08 Apr 2004 01:59:21 PM |
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still
can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who
doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Anecdotal stories are not evidence, they are stories.
There is no scientific evidence to support them.
NO ONE who believes in them has ever done even trivial studies to show they
are valid.
And as has been pointed out there are lots of physical reasons why a person
may see such things but they are internal to the person.
It is strange that no matter how much money people make reading palms, doing
astrology, selling homeopathic remedies, or describing auras, none of them
are willing to make $1,000,000.00 for a little work.
They could give the money away if it was not important to them.
The real value would come because they could show some validity to their
claim and that would draw scientists and money to them like flies drawn to
honey.
Think of the good they could do. But they don't. Many because they know that
the results will be false, many because they have seen what happens when
others have been tested.
The only group that consistently tries to show they have a valid skill are
dowsers.
They always fail the tests they helped design.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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08 Apr 2004 04:56:20 PM |
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I don't have contact with the girl's mother, so I don't know if she still
sees auras, and I haven't asked her in detail about her ability.
What she sees etc.
It's often the case, that such abilities are not able to turned on and off
at will, that it just naturally happens. Maybe with training and practice
it can be. Also such abilities are very very sensitive to negative vibes -
even in science it is noted, that the observer can be a participant in any
experiment - see "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav, this is
discussed in detail there, as he reviews the history of science and the
birth of Quatum Mechanics.
And yes, there is a scientific group, that has been testing dowsing -
sadly no miraculous completed successful experiments has been forthcoming
from this positive group. Much like when some psychic society said it was
going to do scientific research - we never hear back from them via the
general media.
Some people have undergone scientific monitoring or were under such,
when psychic phenomena occurred, or when something extrordinary happened.
A case of a Irish?/New Zealand woman healer who was under observation by
Japanese scientists, and an American woman who went through a near death
experience while under surgery in the USA.
What came to light in these two cases backed up their experience/ability
and did not discredit it.
I guess it has to be written up in 'Nature' or some such publication for it
to be considered scientifically investigated.
There is evidence out there, which is genuine.
Harvey
In article <dihdc.60800$He5.1162430@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mdotpainter@att.net says...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still
can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who
doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Anecdotal stories are not evidence, they are stories.
There is no scientific evidence to support them.
NO ONE who believes in them has ever done even trivial studies to show they
are valid.
And as has been pointed out there are lots of physical reasons why a person
may see such things but they are internal to the person.
It is strange that no matter how much money people make reading palms, doing
astrology, selling homeopathic remedies, or describing auras, none of them
are willing to make $1,000,000.00 for a little work.
They could give the money away if it was not important to them.
The real value would come because they could show some validity to their
claim and that would draw scientists and money to them like flies drawn to
honey.
Think of the good they could do. But they don't. Many because they know that
the results will be false, many because they have seen what happens when
others have been tested.
The only group that consistently tries to show they have a valid skill are
dowsers.
They always fail the tests they helped design.
.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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08 Apr 2004 08:23:33 PM |
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:8Ujdc.7750$u%1.800789@news02.tsnz.net...
I don't have contact with the girl's mother, so I don't know if she still
sees auras, and I haven't asked her in detail about her ability.
What she sees etc.
It's often the case, that such abilities are not able to turned on and off
at will, that it just naturally happens. Maybe with training and practice
it can be. Also such abilities are very very sensitive to negative vibes -
even in science it is noted, that the observer can be a participant in any
experiment - see "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav, this is
discussed in detail there, as he reviews the history of science and the
birth of Quatum Mechanics.
The uncertainty princlipal is well understood and applies to things at the
quantum level.
The effect of people in experiments at a higher level is also well known and
that is why double blind studies are done. However there is no relation
between quantum mechanics and the Placebo effect.
As for "negative vibes" this is just another excuse used by people who fail
such tests when they are properly conducted.
And yes, there is a scientific group, that has been testing dowsing -
sadly no miraculous completed successful experiments has been forthcoming
from this positive group. Much like when some psychic society said it was
going to do scientific research - we never hear back from them via the
general media.
Any legatimate results from such experiments would mean billions poured into
research.
Some people have undergone scientific monitoring or were under such,
when psychic phenomena occurred, or when something extrordinary happened.
A case of a Irish?/New Zealand woman healer who was under observation by
Japanese scientists, and an American woman who went through a near death
experience while under surgery in the USA.
What came to light in these two cases backed up their experience/ability
and did not discredit it.
I guess it has to be written up in 'Nature' or some such publication for
it
to be considered scientifically investigated.
No NDE has ever shown to have any validity, even the "shoe on the roof"
experience.
Yes any serious investigation must be published so others can repeat the
experiment. This is how science is done. "something happening" to a woman of
unknown origin while being observed by scientists is meaningless.
.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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09 Apr 2004 03:54:37 AM |
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The woman was an American - I can look up her name and give a transcript of
what was said, etc about her in a program about NDEs. She was undergoing
critical surgery and was fully monitored. She did describe exactly the
surgical tool that was used on her, and this description surprised the
surgeon because he knew she could not possibly have been conscious, and he
only brought it out, to use, just before her operation. And so he was very
surprised, to say the least.
Just because there is no satisfactory scientific evidence for a lot of
things, does not mean these things do not exist.
Funding is generously handed out for projects/etc that is more or less
guaranteed to produce some commercial result in dollars sense - and all these
support existing works (and theories, etc).
It's like with archeology - no one in their field likes to suddenly dig up
something that does not fit in with current accepted views of the
establishment - and to very likely jeopardise their career and reputation.
The scientific community doesn't like to turn it's head around and then
admit - sorry, folks but we had got it wrong for so many years - and our
guesses were incorrect. What is often set in stone, isn't. Everything is
being continually revised - but a 180 degree reinterpretation isn't
welcomed.
Also why the government will not admit to any wrong doing on their part,
and departments of the military etc.
Harvey
In article <pWmdc.62567$He5.1195281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mdotpainter@att.net says...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:8Ujdc.7750$u%1.800789@news02.tsnz.net...
I don't have contact with the girl's mother, so I don't know if she still
sees auras, and I haven't asked her in detail about her ability.
What she sees etc.
It's often the case, that such abilities are not able to turned on and off
at will, that it just naturally happens. Maybe with training and practice
it can be. Also such abilities are very very sensitive to negative vibes -
even in science it is noted, that the observer can be a participant in any
experiment - see "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav, this is
discussed in detail there, as he reviews the history of science and the
birth of Quatum Mechanics.
The uncertainty princlipal is well understood and applies to things at the
quantum level.
The effect of people in experiments at a higher level is also well known and
that is why double blind studies are done. However there is no relation
between quantum mechanics and the Placebo effect.
As for "negative vibes" this is just another excuse used by people who fail
such tests when they are properly conducted.
And yes, there is a scientific group, that has been testing dowsing -
sadly no miraculous completed successful experiments has been forthcoming
from this positive group. Much like when some psychic society said it was
going to do scientific research - we never hear back from them via the
general media.
Any legatimate results from such experiments would mean billions poured into
research.
Some people have undergone scientific monitoring or were under such,
when psychic phenomena occurred, or when something extrordinary happened.
A case of a Irish?/New Zealand woman healer who was under observation by
Japanese scientists, and an American woman who went through a near death
experience while under surgery in the USA.
What came to light in these two cases backed up their experience/ability
and did not discredit it.
I guess it has to be written up in 'Nature' or some such publication for
it
to be considered scientifically investigated.
No NDE has ever shown to have any validity, even the "shoe on the roof"
experience.
Yes any serious investigation must be published so others can repeat the
experiment. This is how science is done. "something happening" to a woman of
unknown origin while being observed by scientists is meaningless.
.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
09 Apr 2004 11:56:36 AM |
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:hxtdc.8077$u%1.808693@news02.tsnz.net...
The woman was an American - I can look up her name and give a transcript
of
what was said, etc about her in a program about NDEs. She was undergoing
critical surgery and was fully monitored. She did describe exactly the
surgical tool that was used on her, and this description surprised the
surgeon because he knew she could not possibly have been conscious, and he
only brought it out, to use, just before her operation. And so he was very
surprised, to say the least.
Science is done in peer review.
If you can do something beside give a name and the transcript of a program
it would be of interest.
A woman describing a surgical instrument or a doctor being allegedly
surprised is not of any value.
Just because there is no satisfactory scientific evidence for a lot of
things, does not mean these things do not exist.
Funding is generously handed out for projects/etc that is more or less
guaranteed to produce some commercial result in dollars sense - and all
these
support existing works (and theories, etc).
It's like with archeology - no one in their field likes to suddenly dig up
something that does not fit in with current accepted views of the
establishment - and to very likely jeopardise their career and reputation.
The scientific community doesn't like to turn it's head around and then
admit - sorry, folks but we had got it wrong for so many years - and our
guesses were incorrect. What is often set in stone, isn't. Everything is
being continually revised - but a 180 degree reinterpretation isn't
welcomed.
You have no concept of what science is and don't seem to be aware of current
progress, what has transpired in the last 100 years, or of plain human
greed.
You clearly have no idea of what's going on in most digs these days if you
believe "no one in their field likes to suddenly dig up something that does
not fit in with current accepted views of the establishment "
You also are not aware of the man who discovered Troy.
In the area of Israel alone these people who "don't" like to dig up new
things are coming under massive public pressure because they are destroying
cherished views on the bible.
Every day science makes breakthroughs in new directions. Some of these
totally change the way we look at the world. Continental drift, catastrophic
changes because of meteor impact, relativity are just some of the major
ones.
Science has no problem with admitting error. Even minor breakthroughs and
changes bring massive amounts of money into the field and make grad students
jump for joy.
Your auras and NDE's and any of the other pseudo scientific mush that has
been around a while has been investigated. Most of it when science was new
and the crap was still believed.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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09 Apr 2004 04:59:08 PM |
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I can get around to putting that clip available to download sometime.
The same with other material which shows 'evidence' for the supernatural -
such as spirit photographs. Real photographs do exist.
Science has not yet advanced far enough today, to produce instruments which
can record and verify what psychics, etc can see.
One day that will happen, when the electromagnetic spectrum (or beyond)
is fully mapped out and covered in every way. Like knowing if cell phones
are dangerous to your health? You don't ask a cellphone manufacturer that
question - it's like asking a cigarette company - is smoking bad for you?
A lot of evidence don't get investigated properly because they fall into
the unexplained - mainly because they would turn upside down a lot of
long established and accepted belief systems.
Now that thing couldn't be true, could it?
And so people choose to ignore it.
Harvey
In article <8BAdc.1279$K_.25447@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mdotpainter@att.net says...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:hxtdc.8077$u%1.808693@news02.tsnz.net...
The woman was an American - I can look up her name and give a transcript
of
what was said, etc about her in a program about NDEs. She was undergoing
critical surgery and was fully monitored. She did describe exactly the
surgical tool that was used on her, and this description surprised the
surgeon because he knew she could not possibly have been conscious, and he
only brought it out, to use, just before her operation. And so he was very
surprised, to say the least.
Science is done in peer review.
If you can do something beside give a name and the transcript of a program
it would be of interest.
A woman describing a surgical instrument or a doctor being allegedly
surprised is not of any value.
Just because there is no satisfactory scientific evidence for a lot of
things, does not mean these things do not exist.
Funding is generously handed out for projects/etc that is more or less
guaranteed to produce some commercial result in dollars sense - and all
these
support existing works (and theories, etc).
It's like with archeology - no one in their field likes to suddenly dig up
something that does not fit in with current accepted views of the
establishment - and to very likely jeopardise their career and reputation.
The scientific community doesn't like to turn it's head around and then
admit - sorry, folks but we had got it wrong for so many years - and our
guesses were incorrect. What is often set in stone, isn't. Everything is
being continually revised - but a 180 degree reinterpretation isn't
welcomed.
You have no concept of what science is and don't seem to be aware of current
progress, what has transpired in the last 100 years, or of plain human
greed.
You clearly have no idea of what's going on in most digs these days if you
believe "no one in their field likes to suddenly dig up something that does
not fit in with current accepted views of the establishment "
You also are not aware of the man who discovered Troy.
In the area of Israel alone these people who "don't" like to dig up new
things are coming under massive public pressure because they are destroying
cherished views on the bible.
Every day science makes breakthroughs in new directions. Some of these
totally change the way we look at the world. Continental drift, catastrophic
changes because of meteor impact, relativity are just some of the major
ones.
Science has no problem with admitting error. Even minor breakthroughs and
changes bring massive amounts of money into the field and make grad students
jump for joy.
Your auras and NDE's and any of the other pseudo scientific mush that has
been around a while has been investigated. Most of it when science was new
and the crap was still believed.
.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:16:28 PM |
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in
message news:M0Fdc.8991$u%1.818191@news02.tsnz.net...
I can get around to putting that clip available to download sometime.
The same with other material which shows 'evidence' for the supernatural -
such as spirit photographs. Real photographs do exist.
Science has not yet advanced far enough today, to produce instruments
which
can record and verify what psychics, etc can see.
These two things are mutually exclusive.
If you can see a picture of it, then you can measure it and test it. In
fact you have an instrument that does exactly what you say has not happened
in the next line.
To say that science hasn't advanced far enough to examine a picture is
silly.
One day that will happen, when the electromagnetic spectrum (or beyond)
is fully mapped out and covered in every way. Like knowing if cell phones
are dangerous to your health? You don't ask a cellphone manufacturer that
question - it's like asking a cigarette company - is smoking bad for you?
The electromagnetic spectrum *is* fully mapped and if you claim that any of
this is electromagnetic in action then you will have to show sources for the
generation of the energy.
If you are talking about the emmision from cell phones then you need to find
out a little about the wavelength of the signal and how it compares with
cell structure.
You don't ask pseudo-science to answer these questions because they will
sell you what you want to hear.
A lot of evidence don't get investigated properly because they fall into
the unexplained - mainly because they would turn upside down a lot of
long established and accepted belief systems.
Now that thing couldn't be true, could it?
And so people choose to ignore it.
And again your understanding of science seems based on comic books rather
than what it is.
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| User: "Helen" |
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10 Apr 2004 11:10:15 PM |
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Just one question: Why don't fortune tellers ever win the lottery
jackpot?
The lottery teaches you can get EVERYTHING for NOTHING! What a value!
Imagine that value permeating throughout everything...in a few years you
will see more of it's rotten eggs. And someone said that society was
just "an ever deepening shitpot". ... and blamed it on one person
working
for the government! How ridiculous! More poison spews from Hollyweed
and for years has... therein lies a source of your 'shitpot'.
PHEw--Weee!
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:dihdc.60800$He5.1162430@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote
in
message news:Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she
still
can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it
becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in
it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who
doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Anecdotal stories are not evidence, they are stories.
There is no scientific evidence to support them.
NO ONE who believes in them has ever done even trivial studies to show
they
are valid.
And as has been pointed out there are lots of physical reasons why a
person
may see such things but they are internal to the person.
It is strange that no matter how much money people make reading palms,
doing
astrology, selling homeopathic remedies, or describing auras, none of
them
are willing to make $1,000,000.00 for a little work.
They could give the money away if it was not important to them.
The real value would come because they could show some validity to
their
claim and that would draw scientists and money to them like flies
drawn to
honey.
Think of the good they could do. But they don't. Many because they
know that
the results will be false, many because they have seen what happens
when
others have been tested.
The only group that consistently tries to show they have a valid skill
are
dowsers.
They always fail the tests they helped design.
.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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11 Apr 2004 02:07:56 AM |
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The cardinal rule about genuine fortune telling, is that you can't
profit from the gift - the same with ESP abilities, they are there to
help others and not yourself.
Consider it a law of god.
Harvey
In article <c5agk10ce5@enews1.newsguy.com>, @abuse.roman.gov says...
Just one question: Why don't fortune tellers ever win the lottery
jackpot?
The lottery teaches you can get EVERYTHING for NOTHING! What a value!
Imagine that value permeating throughout everything...in a few years you
will see more of it's rotten eggs. And someone said that society was
just "an ever deepening shitpot". ... and blamed it on one person
working
for the government! How ridiculous! More poison spews from Hollyweed
and for years has... therein lies a source of your 'shitpot'.
PHEw--Weee!
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:dihdc.60800$He5.1162430@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote
in
message news:Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she
still
can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it
becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in
it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who
doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Anecdotal stories are not evidence, they are stories.
There is no scientific evidence to support them.
NO ONE who believes in them has ever done even trivial studies to show
they
are valid.
And as has been pointed out there are lots of physical reasons why a
person
may see such things but they are internal to the person.
It is strange that no matter how much money people make reading palms,
doing
astrology, selling homeopathic remedies, or describing auras, none of
them
are willing to make $1,000,000.00 for a little work.
They could give the money away if it was not important to them.
The real value would come because they could show some validity to
their
claim and that would draw scientists and money to them like flies
drawn to
honey.
Think of the good they could do. But they don't. Many because they
know that
the results will be false, many because they have seen what happens
when
others have been tested.
The only group that consistently tries to show they have a valid skill
are
dowsers.
They always fail the tests they helped design.
.
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| User: "Stephen Poley" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
11 Apr 2004 07:09:30 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:07:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote:
The cardinal rule about genuine fortune telling, is that you can't
profit from the gift
So why do many fortune tellers charge for their services?
--
Stephen Poley
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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11 Apr 2004 05:46:24 PM |
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The other side, is that they need to live too (these that use it as
their way of life, living).
But to hugely profit themselves while charging others, is a big no-no.
Genuinely helping others is what it is really about.
Kinda how the church and clergy got corrupted while doing it's job.
They serve their own purpose (survival and establishment) more than
merely communicating with god.
Harvey
In article <oadi70tajdsjd83thfrt7d5e481gev92b6@4ax.com>,
sbpoleySpicedHamTrap@xs4all.nl says...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:07:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote:
The cardinal rule about genuine fortune telling, is that you can't
profit from the gift
So why do many fortune tellers charge for their services?
--
Stephen Poley
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
08 Apr 2004 09:26:49 AM |
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kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) astounded us
with: news:Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net:
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still
can? People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it
becomes an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes
in it. The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who
doesn't seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
And after cataract surgery I saw auras as well. Turned out to be pressure
inside my post-operative eye, fixed with drops in ten minutes.
Has medical advice been sought for this girl?
Or is it a "miracle" that she can see auras, rather than her being seen as
someone with an un-diagnosed medical condition?
--
Phÿltêr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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08 Apr 2004 07:59:56 PM |
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kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in message news:<Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net>...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Harvey
I knew a couple of people who could see auras. One saw colors that
indicated hidden psychic powers. Another person said that auras looked
like animal shapes.
It would be a lot easier to believe in auras if everybody agreed on
what they looked like and what they meant.
--Billy
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
08 Apr 2004 08:11:41 PM |
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On 8 Apr 2004 17:59:56 -0700, (Billy Goat) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<6bd3c70a.0404081659.7ad5ad73@posting.google.com> wrote:
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in message news:<Ly9dc.7629$u%1.790996@news02.tsnz.net>...
I know of someone's daughter who can see auras - don't know if she still can?
People tend to lose the ability after a while, especially when it becomes
an embarressment when mentioning about it. That no one believes in it.
The girl doesn't seek attention because she has the ability.
So I wouldn't rubbish aura gazing at all - when it's by someone who doesn't
seek the limelight or publicity/etc.
Harvey
I knew a couple of people who could see auras. One saw colors that
indicated hidden psychic powers. Another person said that auras looked
like animal shapes.
It would be a lot easier to believe in auras if everybody agreed on
what they looked like and what they meant.
Not all elephants are pink. Some are green or purple.
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| User: "The Omniscient Blade" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
07 Apr 2004 05:17:29 PM |
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<snip stupid post about arbortion and souls>
Arrgh, how many fucking times does this bloody message have to get posted?!
I must have seen this thread appear at least a dozen times and each time it
started with the same stupid false ideologies cnd thus incorrect
conclusions.
--
Blade
Smart people can fake being stupid, but stupid people cannot fake being
smart.
Change .con to demon<dot>co<dot>uk to reply by e-mail.
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| User: "Murdoc" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
08 Apr 2004 06:15:54 PM |
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Captian's Log: 7/04/04 - of the Cyborg Race wrote:
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down
to a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers"
are fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any
clear statements from their Bible indicating that human
life begins at conception. [And most of them, especially
the Catholics, are also against artificial birth control,
which would PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with!
] They are apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring,
GENESIS 2:7 KJV, which states: "And the Lord God formed man
of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils
the BREATH OF LIFE, and man became a living Soul.".
Maybe you should have a look in Jeremiah. Something like <paraphrasing>
"when I was in the womb, you knew me. from a shapeless mass you formed
me". I shall look for the exact passage when I get home.
<snipped rest>
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties,
nations and epochs, it is the rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a
compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
09 Apr 2004 07:04:26 AM |
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On 6 Apr 2004 12:56:57 -0700, wrote:
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB.
Nope, nothing there about taking a first breath outside the womb, but when God
breathes life into the conception.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
09 Apr 2004 10:33:54 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rem8@usa.com wrote:
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB.
Nope, nothing there about taking a first breath outside the womb, but when God
breathes life into the conception.
You are an idiot. Embryos don't breathe.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
11 Apr 2004 04:56:03 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:33:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You are an idiot. Embryos don't breathe.
With God, they do.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION -- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
11 Apr 2004 06:03:15 PM |
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(Newsgroups repaired -- this is an abortion newsgroup)
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:33:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You are an idiot. Embryos don't breathe.
With God, they do.
No one's obliged to live by your delusions. (Easter's been canceled, anyway
-- Jim Caviezel is still alive.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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