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"J Young" |
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15 Sep 2007 10:42:27 PM |
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Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=8f156de4-fea1-4c74-a1c3-17da80126cd3
Abortion is one of the most common surgeries performed on women in
Canada. Roughly 105,000 are performed annually, 70% of them on women
between the ages of 10 and 29.
Yet Canadian medical research into the health risks associated with
abortion is virtually non-existent. This is in part because Canada's
debate about abortion became dominated by legal-rights talk after the
Supreme Court's Morgentaler decision in 1988.
Despite this, new medical research continues to emerge on the subject
in other nations -- research that Canadian women need to consider
before they put themselves at risk of unwanted pregnancy.
The American Psychological Association (APA) recently removed an old
statement about abortion and mental health from its Web site, a
statement that declared abortion to be largely benign. They have
convened a task force on the subject, and will issue a new statement
in 2008.
David Fergusson, a New Zealand psychologist, is the author of a
longitudinal study on abortion published in 2006. He tends to garner
media attention because he is a self-described pro-choice atheist, not
a social conservative. His work showed negative mental-health outcomes
for women post-abortion, while controlling for their pre-abortion
mental health.
Dr. Fergusson's results did not just show an increase in general
depression. They showed increased effects across a wide array of
outcomes, including substance-abuse disorders, anxiety, suicide and
suicide ideation. According to Dr. Fergusson's work, post-abortive
women show increased risk of phobia, panic attacks and fears "or just
a generalized feeling of concern and anxiety at a level deemed to be
clinically significant."
He describes the irony: "99% of abortions in New Zealand are conducted
on mental-health
grounds. And our study suggests that this procedure may increase
mental-health risks."
Then there is Priscilla Coleman, a psychologist at Bowling Green State
University in Ohio. She thinks there is an unwillingness to consider
new research done throughout the 1990s, largely because the results of
that research were not in line with today's pro-choice political
environment. The topic is so volatile that many academics fear not
gaining tenure if they take it on.
Since 2002, 15 of Ms. Cole-man's studies have showed negative health
outcomes for women post-abortion. Some of these outcomes include the
following: an increased likelihood to use drugs generally (one study
showed increased drug use during subsequent pregnancies), increased
trouble sleeping and increased general levels of anxiety.
These are well-designed studies that have overcome prior flaws such as
a failure to control for existing psychological problems, high
participant dropout rates and a lack of wide-scale representation. Ms.
Coleman also has conducted two studies controlling for the wanted-ness
of the pregnancy, showing increased odds of psychological and
emotional problems amongst women who aborted versus those who carried
to term, even controlling the data such that all the pregnancies were
unwanted and unplanned in the first place. Her work has appeared in a
number of reputable journals, but has yet to be widely publicized.
The earlier "pro-choice" consensus that abortion's impact on women was
mostly benign was formed by six psychologists who studied the topic
for the American Psychological Association by reviewing literature
from the 1970s and 1980s. Their results were published in 1990 in
Science, a highly-regarded American journal. Some women did show
negative health effects. But, they asserted, those were attributable
to prior mental health problems.
There was a caveat, however: There needed to be further research on
longer term implications. "No definitive conclusions can be drawn
about longer term effects," the article stated.
A truly definitive study -- one that no one could ignore, regardless
of the political environment -- would require major funding and would
take years. But despite the cost, there are compelling reasons to do
it, and soon. We owe it to women to learn exactly what risk they face
when they have an abortion. - Andrea Mrozek is manager of Research and
Communications at the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada.
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06 Oct 2007 02:39:47 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkwsu014gy.fsf@eris.io.com...
So have your parents teach you how to filter me out of your newsreader.
(You
do have that right, whether you understand it or not.)
--
So first the challenge to fight and now calling me a kid, wow, your debating
skills are attaining legend status.
You still didn't answer my question.
I assume you are ashamed of your own answer.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
06 Oct 2007 04:07:49 PM |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkwsu014gy.fsf@eris.io.com...
So have your parents teach you how to filter me out of your newsreader.
(You do have that right, whether you understand it or not.)
So first the challenge to fight and now calling me a kid, wow, your debating
skills are attaining legend status.
I'm just giving as good as I get from you, son.
You still didn't answer my question.
Cite a statute that gives you a right to an answer from me.
I assume you are ashamed of your own answer.
If you want to continue being the idiot, that's your choice.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
06 Oct 2007 05:54:51 PM |
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On Oct 6, 11:39 am, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in messagenews:szkwsu014gy.fsf@eris.io.com...
So have your parents teach you how to filter me out of your newsreader.
(You
do have that right, whether you understand it or not.)
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So first the challenge to fight and now calling me a kid, wow, your debating
skills are attaining legend status.
You still didn't answer my question.
I assume you are ashamed of your own answer.
Ok, I Googled his views from the past. He considers himself pro-
abortion because he disagrees with abortion but believes that a woman
has a right to choose. His views on a choice for men echo the typical
argument of "When a man can get pregnant" stance. He also favors the
typical anti-choice for men stance that the government should not pay
for the deadbeat father. So to answer your question, he doesn't
believe in a choice for men.
Ironically he harped on a poster for not answering a simple question.
So hypocrisy runs a foul with Mr. Humphrey here.
On a side note, it was funny to see him being accused of being Jack
McClellan and then having his 76 year old mother state online that her
son is not a child molester. I wonder if that is really his mother and
if so, I am glad to see her online!
Regards...
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| User: "" |
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06 Oct 2007 12:17:16 PM |
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On Oct 6, 5:30 am, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in messagenews:szk8x6gz8p6.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Ranting" <r...@rant.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szksl4ossui.fsf@eris.io.com...
That isn't what I asked you. What a totally dishonest answer.
It's my honest answer, and I'd invite you to say it to me in person,
since
I'm not making any secret of where I am...but, since you're the usual
coward that hides behind an alias and an anonymizer, you'd just run
away.
Dude, put it back in your pants.
That might be your honest answer, but it isn't what I asked you now is it.
AND that is what makes it dishonest.
Your opinion, a dollar, and a boot to what's left of your head will get
you
downtown on Metrorail's Red Line. See if you can do the math.
Oh how cute, more attempts at cyberviolence.
You still didn't answer my question and your answer was still dishonest.
Maybe he didn't understand the question since it was unrelated to the
discussion?
Regards...
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| User: "" |
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06 Oct 2007 06:28:07 PM |
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On Oct 5, 12:50 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Anyway, I apologized. Also, he is unable to answer simple questions
because from what I have seen, he shares the same view point as I, and
that he's too stubborn to admit to it because that would somehow
destroy his pro-choice stance.
Your interpretation might not quite be as objective as you'd have readers
believe.
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
I don't see how you came to that conclusion since I am open to
debating stances one makes, regardless of their pro or anti abortion
stance.
Of course, there are more than just two sides to this wrangle.
Regarding more than 2 sides of the abortion debate:
I don't see how since the abortion law debate is whether or not
abortion should be legal. So you either believe in the legalization of
abortion or not.
I'm
pro-choice, meaning I support the woman's right to make her own choice, and
I've been on that side of the issue for going on forty years. My wife has
been pretty much of the same mind for about as long, and she's had a daughter
who has turned into a pro-choice parent. (We'll be the parents of a teenage
granddaughter seven weeks from tomorrow.)
I read up on you and you and I have the same stance in regarding a
woman's choice to choose abortion or not. The difference between you
and I is that I have the courage to state that I am pro-abortion where
you hide behind the feminist mantra of "pro-choice". I also believe in
extending men a choice, basically a pro-abortion advocate for men.
However, your sexists and hypocritical views do not extend the same
non-biological post-coital rights to men that you give to women.
So when you state "You apparently don't regard any opinions other than
your own", I can at least reply that I regard my opinions to both men
and women equally without selling out my own gender and hiding behind
the apron of "Pro-choice".
The next time you want to debate "pro-choice" or even abortion, I
suggest you go ***** yourself first before you start fucking with men
and women who have the courage to stand up for their convictions and
are not afraid to answer questions.
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:14:49 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 5, 12:50 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Anyway, I apologized. Also, he is unable to answer simple questions
because from what I have seen, he shares the same view point as I, and
that he's too stubborn to admit to it because that would somehow
destroy his pro-choice stance.
Your interpretation might not quite be as objective as you'd have readers
believe.
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
I don't see how you came to that conclusion since I am open to
debating stances one makes, regardless of their pro or anti abortion
stance.
Of course, there are more than just two sides to this wrangle.
Regarding more than 2 sides of the abortion debate:
I don't see how since the abortion law debate is whether or not
abortion should be legal. So you either believe in the legalization of
abortion or not.
You either believe in lying or you support freedom of speech
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
09 Oct 2007 11:33:05 PM |
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On Oct 10, 12:14 am, (***** Cheney) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 12:50 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Anyway, I apologized. Also, he is unable to answer simple questions
because from what I have seen, he shares the same view point as I, and
that he's too stubborn to admit to it because that would somehow
destroy his pro-choice stance.
Your interpretation might not quite be as objective as you'd have readers
believe.
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
I don't see how you came to that conclusion since I am open to
debating stances one makes, regardless of their pro or anti abortion
stance.
Of course, there are more than just two sides to this wrangle.
Regarding more than 2 sides of the abortion debate:
I don't see how since the abortion law debate is whether or not
abortion should be legal. So you either believe in the legalization of
abortion or not.
You either believe in lying or you support freedom of speech
Next, Rabid Fishface takes his act to Faux News...
Andre
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:14:00 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Any intelligent person would know the difference between support and
not objecting.
Anyway, I apologized. Also, he is unable to answer simple questions
And now you resort to lying again.
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
I don't see how you came to that conclusion since I am open to
lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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10 Oct 2007 09:07:37 PM |
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On Oct 9, 8:14 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Any intelligent person would know the difference between support and
not objecting.
"I have little problem with it [law]".
I find it amusing that you're going to debate your own meaning where
it is you who can resolve the discussion, yet you do not do so in an
attempt to state that I am supposedly ignorant because I cannot read
your mind.
Anyway, I apologized. Also, he is unable to answer simple questions
And now you resort to lying again.
Here's your chance at redemption:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant? Yes or No.
Who's lying now?
--
Ray Fischer
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:56:38 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:14 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Any intelligent person would know the difference between support and
not objecting.
"I have little problem with it [law]".
I find it amusing that you're going to debate your own meaning where
Like most pro-liars you resort to personal attacks when you find that
you cannot justify your immoral agenda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 Oct 2007 11:19:20 PM |
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On Oct 10, 7:56 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:14 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Any intelligent person would know the difference between support and
not objecting.
"I have little problem with it [law]".
I find it amusing that you're going to debate your own meaning where
Like most pro-liars you resort to personal attacks when you find that
you cannot justify your immoral agenda.
--
Ray Fischer
Like most pro-liars, you make things up and run away. You failed once
again.
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Oct 2007 12:13:24 AM |
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<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 7:56 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:14 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
well, his reply stated that he understood the law (that it is murder)
and he has little problem with it. any normal person would assume that
if you understood a law and had no issues with it, then you support
the position of the law.
Any intelligent person would know the difference between support and
not objecting.
"I have little problem with it [law]".
I find it amusing that you're going to debate your own meaning where
Like most pro-liars you resort to personal attacks when you find that
you cannot justify your immoral agenda.
Like most pro-liars, you make things up and run away.
You are the one resorting to lies.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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01 Oct 2007 07:07:16 AM |
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On Oct 1, 6:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
Because he's a dishonest *****.
Regards...
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
There's your answer.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patr...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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01 Oct 2007 08:00:45 AM |
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Gwyneð Bennetdottir <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> writes:
On Oct 1, 6:36 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
"agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why are you accusing him of something he never said?
Because he's a dishonest *****.
....and he can't count the chevrons to find out who said what.
Regards...
You apparently don't regard any opinions other than your own.
There's your answer.
So, I got it in one. ;-)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
01 Oct 2007 12:13:17 AM |
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<> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
01 Oct 2007 12:18:17 AM |
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On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
--
Ray Fischer
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
01 Oct 2007 12:22:20 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant. The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth. If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason. If you don't like the law in California then
simply whining about it isn't going to impress anybody.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
05 Oct 2007 12:11:28 PM |
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On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are. I want to understand your position on the subject matter
you are debating.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant. I am not taking any sides on the debate, I am merely
expressing thought on established laws.
If you don't like the law in California then
simply whining about it isn't going to impress anybody.
Who's whining? Just answer the question and defend your stance. The
first time you stated it was a fallacy, but you cannot run away now.
--
Ray Fischer
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
05 Oct 2007 12:43:23 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
You thought wrong.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are.
Nope.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant.
Bye.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
05 Oct 2007 12:51:47 PM |
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On Oct 5, 9:43 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
You thought wrong.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are.
Nope.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant.
Bye.
--
Ray Fischer
Your inability to answer the question is so noted. You have lost this
debate.
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
09 Oct 2007 11:12:58 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:43 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
You thought wrong.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are.
Nope.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant.
Bye.
Your inability to answer
Refusal to play your game isn't an inability, pro-liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
10 Oct 2007 08:57:56 PM |
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On Oct 9, 8:12 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:43 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
You thought wrong.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are.
Nope.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant.
Bye.
Your inability to answer
Refusal to play your game isn't an inability, pro-liar.
--
Ray Fischer
It's not a game, but a question. Your inability to answer dictates
your inability to debate and discuss ideas and philosophies. You, at
this point, have no other option but to sit at the sidelines and
watch.
And for the umpteenth time, I'm pro-abortion, not pro-life.
Bye loser.
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
10 Oct 2007 10:55:56 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:12 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:43 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:22 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
I didn't add any personal preference.
Well, the "and *I* have little problem with it" made me think that you
were asserting your personal preference.
You thought wrong.
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
My personal standards aren't relevant.
But they are.
Nope.
The fact is that for
thousands of years the start of a human being's life has been marked
by birth.
If you want that to be different then you need to come up
with a good reason.
Irrelevant.
Bye.
Your inability to answer
Refusal to play your game isn't an inability, pro-liar.
It's not a game,
Of course it is, pro-liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
04 Oct 2007 08:19:15 AM |
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On Oct 1, 1:18 am, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
You're wasting your breath with these people. As long as they like a
law, it needs no justification to them. The law is justified by
virtue of being the law, less they don't like it. So wait until Roe V
Wade is overturned and then come back and ask again and you might get
an actual answer. Until then, "It's the law" is all you're going to
get.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
04 Oct 2007 11:02:38 PM |
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<patrick.barnes@standardregister.com> wrote:
On Oct 1, 1:18 am, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
"I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it."
Are you saying that I shouldn't be charged for murder? Bottom line, I
killed a 3 week old pregnancy, should it be considered murder by your
own personal standards?
You're wasting your breath with these people.
That coming from somebody who doesn't care what the facts might be.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
05 Oct 2007 12:02:02 PM |
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On Oct 4, 5:19 am, wrote:
On Oct 1, 1:18 am, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:55 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
3:03 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Regardless of law, should I be charged with a double murder for
killing a woman who is 3 weeks pregnant?
How would I know? "Should" according to what standard?
I am asking you personally according to your standard.
I understand the law, and why it is as it is, and I have little
problem with it.
Why do you personally consider it murder if I end up killing a 3 week
old pregnancy?
Why do you make up things that I never wrote?
My Apologies. I thought you said that I should be charged with murder
when you responded with:
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