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Greg Carr wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:47:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=8f156de4-fea1-4c74-a1c3-17da80126cd3


Abortion is one of the most common surgeries performed on women in
Canada.

The 'pro-life' people, of course, want to continue to make their
unsupported assertions that having an abortion will cause great trauma.
If there is a properly done study, what will they do if it turns out
that abortion is better for mental health than an unwanted child?

I know of one woman who has had complications such as bleeding more than
15 yrs after her last abortion.

But that was due to a paper cut.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:16:49 GMT, "Greg Carr" <gregpcarr@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:47:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote in
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=8f156de4-fea1-4c74-a1c3-17da80126cd3





Abortion is one of the most common surgeries performed on women in
Canada. Roughly 105,000 are performed annually, 70% of them on women
between the ages of 10 and 29.

Yet Canadian medical research into the health risks associated with
abortion is virtually non-existent. This is in part because Canada's
debate about abortion became dominated by legal-rights talk after the
Supreme Court's Morgentaler decision in 1988.

Despite this, new medical research continues to emerge on the subject
in other nations -- research that Canadian women need to consider
before they put themselves at risk of unwanted pregnancy.

The American Psychological Association (APA) recently removed an old
statement about abortion and mental health from its Web site, a
statement that declared abortion to be largely benign. They have
convened a task force on the subject, and will issue a new statement
in 2008.

David Fergusson, a New Zealand psychologist, is the author of a
longitudinal study on abortion published in 2006. He tends to garner
media attention because he is a self-described pro-choice atheist, not
a social conservative. His work showed negative mental-health outcomes
for women post-abortion, while controlling for their pre-abortion
mental health.

Dr. Fergusson's results did not just show an increase in general
depression. They showed increased effects across a wide array of
outcomes, including substance-abuse disorders, anxiety, suicide and
suicide ideation. According to Dr. Fergusson's work, post-abortive
women show increased risk of phobia, panic attacks and fears "or just
a generalized feeling of concern and anxiety at a level deemed to be
clinically significant."

He describes the irony: "99% of abortions in New Zealand are conducted
on mental-health

grounds. And our study suggests that this procedure may increase
mental-health risks."

Then there is Priscilla Coleman, a psychologist at Bowling Green State
University in Ohio. She thinks there is an unwillingness to consider
new research done throughout the 1990s, largely because the results of
that research were not in line with today's pro-choice political
environment. The topic is so volatile that many academics fear not
gaining tenure if they take it on.

Since 2002, 15 of Ms. Cole-man's studies have showed negative health
outcomes for women post-abortion. Some of these outcomes include the
following: an increased likelihood to use drugs generally (one study
showed increased drug use during subsequent pregnancies), increased
trouble sleeping and increased general levels of anxiety.

These are well-designed studies that have overcome prior flaws such as
a failure to control for existing psychological problems, high
participant dropout rates and a lack of wide-scale representation. Ms.
Coleman also has conducted two studies controlling for the wanted-ness
of the pregnancy, showing increased odds of psychological and
emotional problems amongst women who aborted versus those who carried
to term, even controlling the data such that all the pregnancies were
unwanted and unplanned in the first place. Her work has appeared in a
number of reputable journals, but has yet to be widely publicized.

The earlier "pro-choice" consensus that abortion's impact on women was
mostly benign was formed by six psychologists who studied the topic
for the American Psychological Association by reviewing literature
from the 1970s and 1980s. Their results were published in 1990 in
Science, a highly-regarded American journal. Some women did show
negative health effects. But, they asserted, those were attributable
to prior mental health problems.

There was a caveat, however: There needed to be further research on
longer term implications. "No definitive conclusions can be drawn
about longer term effects," the article stated.

A truly definitive study -- one that no one could ignore, regardless
of the political environment -- would require major funding and would
take years. But despite the cost, there are compelling reasons to do
it, and soon. We owe it to women to learn exactly what risk they face
when they have an abortion. - Andrea Mrozek is manager of Research and
Communications at the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada.

They could have summed up that entire article by saying "No one wants to
know because of political correctness, abortion is perfect, nothing is
wrong
with abortion, ignore the man behind the curtain".

The 'pro-life' people, of course, want to continue to make their
unsupported assertions that having an abortion will cause great trauma.
If there is a properly done study, what will they do if it turns out
that abortion is better for mental health than an unwanted child?

I know of one woman who has had complications such as bleeding more than
15
yrs after her last abortion.

Got more than your say-so to back that up?

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:16:49 GMT, "Greg Carr" <

"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:47:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote in
<sH1Hi.177171$BF6.115798@fe02.usenetserver.com>:

"J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1189914147.684743.145960@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=8f156de4-fea1-4c74-a1c3-17da80126cd3





Abortion is one of the most common surgeries performed on women in
Canada. Roughly 105,000 are performed annually, 70% of them on women
between the ages of 10 and 29.

Yet Canadian medical research into the health risks associated with
abortion is virtually non-existent. This is in part because Canada's
debate about abortion became dominated by legal-rights talk after the
Supreme Court's Morgentaler decision in 1988.

Despite this, new medical research continues to emerge on the subject
in other nations -- research that Canadian women need to consider
before they put themselves at risk of unwanted pregnancy.

The American Psychological Association (APA) recently removed an old
statement about abortion and mental health from its Web site, a
statement that declared abortion to be largely benign. They have
convened a task force on the subject, and will issue a new statement
in 2008.

David Fergusson, a New Zealand psychologist, is the author of a
longitudinal study on abortion published in 2006. He tends to garner
media attention because he is a self-described pro-choice atheist, not
a social conservative. His work showed negative mental-health outcomes
for women post-abortion, while controlling for their pre-abortion
mental health.

Dr. Fergusson's results did not just show an increase in general
depression. They showed increased effects across a wide array of
outcomes, including substance-abuse disorders, anxiety, suicide and
suicide ideation. According to Dr. Fergusson's work, post-abortive
women show increased risk of phobia, panic attacks and fears "or just
a generalized feeling of concern and anxiety at a level deemed to be
clinically significant."

He describes the irony: "99% of abortions in New Zealand are conducted
on mental-health

grounds. And our study suggests that this procedure may increase
mental-health risks."

Then there is Priscilla Coleman, a psychologist at Bowling Green State
University in Ohio. She thinks there is an unwillingness to consider
new research done throughout the 1990s, largely because the results of
that research were not in line with today's pro-choice political
environment. The topic is so volatile that many academics fear not
gaining tenure if they take it on.

Since 2002, 15 of Ms. Cole-man's studies have showed negative health
outcomes for women post-abortion. Some of these outcomes include the
following: an increased likelihood to use drugs generally (one study
showed increased drug use during subsequent pregnancies), increased
trouble sleeping and increased general levels of anxiety.

These are well-designed studies that have overcome prior flaws such as
a failure to control for existing psychological problems, high
participant dropout rates and a lack of wide-scale representation. Ms.
Coleman also has conducted two studies controlling for the wanted-ness
of the pregnancy, showing increased odds of psychological and
emotional problems amongst women who aborted versus those who carried
to term, even controlling the data such that all the pregnancies were
unwanted and unplanned in the first place. Her work has appeared in a
number of reputable journals, but has yet to be widely publicized.

The earlier "pro-choice" consensus that abortion's impact on women was
mostly benign was formed by six psychologists who studied the topic
for the American Psychological Association by reviewing literature
from the 1970s and 1980s. Their results were published in 1990 in
Science, a highly-regarded American journal. Some women did show
negative health effects. But, they asserted, those were attributable
to prior mental health problems.

There was a caveat, however: There needed to be further research on
longer term implications. "No definitive conclusions can be drawn
about longer term effects," the article stated.

A truly definitive study -- one that no one could ignore, regardless
of the political environment -- would require major funding and would
take years. But despite the cost, there are compelling reasons to do
it, and soon. We owe it to women to learn exactly what risk they face
when they have an abortion. - Andrea Mrozek is manager of Research and
Communications at the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada.

They could have summed up that entire article by saying "No one wants to
know because of political correctness, abortion is perfect, nothing is
wrong
with abortion, ignore the man behind the curtain".

The 'pro-life' people, of course, want to continue to make their
unsupported assertions that having an abortion will cause great trauma.
If there is a properly done study, what will they do if it turns out
that abortion is better for mental health than an unwanted child?

I know of one woman who has had complications such as bleeding more than
15
yrs after her last abortion.

Got more than your say-so to back that up?

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:16:49 GMT, "Greg Carr" <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

The 'pro-life' people, of course, want to continue to make their
unsupported assertions that having an abortion will cause great trauma.
If there is a properly done study, what will they do if it turns out
that abortion is better for mental health than an unwanted child?

I know of one woman who has had complications such as bleeding more than 15
yrs after her last abortion.

Yeah, it is called her, "menstrual cycle".