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26 Apr 2004 01:29:12 PM |
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ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
STOP IT!
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
26 Apr 2004 05:59:21 PM |
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In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
26 Apr 2004 06:02:01 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 12:02:02 AM |
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(Newsgroups repaired, because Heishman the McPrison Guard is too stupid to
figure out how to control crossposting)
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
Keep raping that strawman, Cop Reject. There's a reason you've got the
reputation you do -- you earned it.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 08:18:43 PM |
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In article <GYOdnRVH0vs5CRDdRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
I thought you believe in God, so tell me, did I say something that was
incorrect when I said:
"God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you."
If it was up to you, Adam and Eve would have been banned from picking
the fabled apple from the tree, even though YOUR GOD said they were
free to make that choice on their own. Likewise, if you believe in what
YOUR Bible says, God gave each of us the right to chose our own
morality, which includes deciding whether or not abortion is moral.
God is supposed to be our Judge, not you, or have you disregarded that
part of the Bible?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
I have no "pro-killing friends."
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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27 Apr 2004 08:27:08 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-B034AE.21184327042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <GYOdnRVH0vs5CRDdRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express
itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving
this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
I thought you believe in God, so tell me, did I say something that was
incorrect when I said:
"God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you."
If it was up to you, Adam and Eve would have been banned from picking
the fabled apple from the tree, even though YOUR GOD said they were
free to make that choice on their own. Likewise, if you believe in what
YOUR Bible says, God gave each of us the right to chose our own
morality, which includes deciding whether or not abortion is moral.
God is supposed to be our Judge, not you, or have you disregarded that
part of the Bible?
Reminds me of a line in the HBO series "Deadwood":
Wild Bill Hickok, dryly, to his friend Charlie Utter: "Would you please let
me go to hell in my own damn way."
These morons agree with "freewill" and "God is the ultimate Judge" as long
as it complies with what *they* demand of you.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "John" |
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01 May 2004 01:03:01 AM |
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"At the very least, abortion is preempive censorship."
"Utter nonsense. No foetus has the capability to speak or express itself, much
less form intelligent thoughts."
I wonder how many abortions there have been where the foetus was in distress
against being killed... and even if it's at a stage where it can't show
distress, if it could show distress, would it I wonder?
Are we going to go around and kill mentally retarded children like Hitler did?
Who's to say where "intelligent thoughts" begin?
So just because we may think that a foetus doesn't have "intelligent
thoughts", it doesn't mean that it hasn't. And even if it doesn't have
"intelligent thoughts" it doesn't follow that we have the right to kill it.
If we can't ask and it can't answer, we shouldn't kill it.
It has the *potential* of having "intelligent thoughts".... and feelings,
whether or not it has those at present but the issue here isn't "intelligent
thoughts" but human life itself.
I'm pro-choice alright. So what about the choice of the foetus? Seeing as the
foetus cannot speak and has NO choice, I am pro-life.
In regard to Bush who has shown himself to have no respect for human life, if
he objects to abortion he is not doing it for that reason.
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:MLDjc.32098$NR5.27002@fe1.texas.rr.com...
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-B034AE.21184327042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <GYOdnRVH0vs5CRDdRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express
itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving
this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
I thought you believe in God, so tell me, did I say something that was
incorrect when I said:
"God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you."
If it was up to you, Adam and Eve would have been banned from picking
the fabled apple from the tree, even though YOUR GOD said they were
free to make that choice on their own. Likewise, if you believe in what
YOUR Bible says, God gave each of us the right to chose our own
morality, which includes deciding whether or not abortion is moral.
God is supposed to be our Judge, not you, or have you disregarded that
part of the Bible?
Reminds me of a line in the HBO series "Deadwood":
Wild Bill Hickok, dryly, to his friend Charlie Utter: "Would you please let
me go to hell in my own damn way."
These morons agree with "freewill" and "God is the ultimate Judge" as long
as it complies with what *they* demand of you.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
01 May 2004 07:12:01 PM |
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John <el.loveislife@nocrap> wrote:
"At the very least, abortion is preempive censorship."
"Utter nonsense. No foetus has the capability to speak or express itself, much
less form intelligent thoughts."
I wonder how many abortions there have been where the foetus was in distress
against being killed... and even if it's at a stage where it can't show
distress, if it could show distress, would it I wonder?
So contraception is also "preempive censorship"?
Nice justification for making rape legal.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 08:35:25 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-B034AE.21184327042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <GYOdnRVH0vs5CRDdRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express
itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving
this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
I thought you believe in God, so tell me, did I say something that was
incorrect when I said:
All I said was I thought you were atheist, no need for you to go
melodramatic
"God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you."
You and your pro-killing friends are attempting to continue wanting women to
kill their unborn children
If it was up to you, Adam and Eve would have been banned from picking
the fabled apple from the tree, even though YOUR GOD said they were
free to make that choice on their own.
How stereotypical of you.
Likewise, if you believe in what
YOUR Bible says, God gave each of us the right to chose our own
morality, which includes deciding whether or not abortion is moral.
God is supposed to be our Judge, not you, or have you disregarded that
part of the Bible?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
I have no "pro-killing friends."
You are as much a pro-killer as I am a pro-liar
So deal with it, if you are going to use such idiotic labels, you will be
labled right back.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Apr 2004 12:10:02 AM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
"God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you."
You and your pro-killing friends are attempting to continue wanting women to
kill their unborn children
See the "morality" of the pro-lie *****. Whenever the facts don't
go his way he proves to everybody what an immoral creep is is by lying.
Lying is all ***** Heishman has.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Crowfoot" |
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30 Apr 2004 01:54:50 AM |
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In article <GYOdnRVH0vs5CRDdRVn-vg@comcast.com>, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
I'm pro-choice and a believer in dimensions beyond the purely
material, as are almost every single one of my pro-choice friends.
You obviously don't talk to enough (any?) pro-choice people to have
the slightest idea of what you are talking about here, as in so
much else.
C.
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Crow
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| User: "Slate" |
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28 Apr 2004 08:16:37 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:02:01 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-521EEA.18592126042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
4v0w04hb8@3NyMI8TSDdC4eCp.iAC5m7x5A wrote:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
I thought you were atheist?
Most of your pro-killing friends are.
Would you agree that we are all atheists at birth?
Slate
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| User: "Kingssman" |
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26 Apr 2004 11:05:28 PM |
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One itsy bitsy teeny weeny problem,
To choose to kill your unborn child may be a choice for you but at the
same time you rob the liberty of the life that is inside you since it
hasn't developed to a stage to make a decision if it wants to be born
or not. So ethically abortion is not a good choice,
Second, with our society these days, having children shouldn't be a
burdon. Children is important to pass our genes on just like every
other species on this planet. Children is what keeps the human race
going and the evolutionary clock moving so logically abortion
shouldn't be done,
Children are expensive, you can get an abortion cheaper than you can
give birth in a hospital, plus taking work off to raise it or hire
someone else to raise it for you and the child may end up being
treated like a puppy that you've just inherited, so financially
abortion is the cheaper way to go.
All those that are created by God can only return to God. After all
what happens to kids that die from SIDS or miscarraige. These kids
most certainly don't go to hell right? after all it was nature that
prevented them from being born so it should mean that they go back to
God and try again. The same belief can be aplied to abortion since if
a child gets aborted shouldn't go to hell, why would it? It's just a
dissapointment ethically and evolutionary so religiously it doesn't
matter.
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
Utter nonsense. No fetus has the capability to speak or express itself,
much less form intelligent thoughts. The only censorship involving this
issue is Bush and his willingness to cut funding to any organization
that even talks about abortion.
God gave us the right to freedom of choice. You and your pro-liar
friends are attempting to take away a God-given right. Whether or
not abortion is a sin is a matter for God to judge, not you.
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| User: "Lilli Anne" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 01:26:01 AM |
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"Kingssman" <kingssman1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84ae19a5.0404262005.28312379@posting.google.com...
Second, with our society these days, having children shouldn't be a
burdon.
* They ARE a burden for those who are too young to care for them and those
with a very low income. Also, what about those who have the unwanted child
and neglect or even abuse it. They see the child as an unwanted burden,
expense and irritant. Why FORCE a women to bear an unwanted child?
Children is important to pass our genes on just like every
other species on this planet.
* Then let those who WANT and can afford them, have them. There is no
shortage of people on this planet.
Children is what keeps the human race
going and the evolutionary clock moving so logically abortion
shouldn't be done,
* Abortion has little impact on the already overcrowded, increasingly
polluted earth.
Children are expensive, you can get an abortion cheaper than you can
give birth in a hospital, plus taking work off to raise it or hire
someone else to raise it for you and the child may end up being
treated like a puppy that you've just inherited, so financially
abortion is the cheaper way to go.
* And the best way for many people. Especially the young and the single.
All those that are created by God can only return to God.
* But not everyone believes in this god. You can't force your beliefs down
other people's throats.
--
PQ....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| User: "Kingssman" |
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27 Apr 2004 12:35:28 PM |
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women shouldn't need abortions.
There should be more welfare service to provide for young singles with
children.
Some individuals recieve 4 to 12 abortions. It almost becomes a form
of birth control. These fetuses are potential lives that could
potentialy grow up and potentialy make a difference in someone else's
life.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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27 Apr 2004 07:47:57 PM |
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"Kingssman" <kingssman1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84ae19a5.0404270935.38507f44@posting.google.com...
women shouldn't need abortions.
There should be more welfare service to provide for young singles with
children.
Some individuals recieve 4 to 12 abortions.
Got any proof of this claim, besides the anti-women lies espoused by idiots
like "priests for life"? And please follow it up with not only proof of "4
to 12 abortions," but also the number of people that have actually done
this. On this second point, "testimony" from a vaguly referenced woman at an
undetermined clinic in an unnamed city doesn't count for *****.
It almost becomes a form
of birth control.
And it doesn't concern you.
These fetuses are potential lives that could
potentialy grow up and potentialy make a difference in someone else's
life.
Yeah. Kind of like Hitler(tm), the Unabomber, Saddam(tm), Osama(tm), Bush 2,
Stalin, Justin Timberlake....*all* made a difference. Just not the sweet,
cozy version you allude to but conveniently leave out.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 08:25:38 PM |
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In article <84ae19a5.0404270935.38507f44@posting.google.com>,
(Kingssman) wrote:
women shouldn't need abortions.
What women need is none of your business.
There should be more welfare service to provide for young singles with
children.
Strange how most pro-slavers also oppose welfare for the kids they
would force upon the world.
Some individuals recieve 4 to 12 abortions. It almost becomes a form
of birth control. These fetuses are potential lives that could
potentialy grow up and potentialy make a difference in someone else's
life.
Where do you get this information?
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 08:58:47 PM |
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In article <84ae19a5.0404262005.28312379@posting.google.com>,
(Kingssman) wrote:
One itsy bitsy teeny weeny problem,
To choose to kill your unborn child may be a choice for you but at the
same time you rob the liberty of the life that is inside you since it
hasn't developed to a stage to make a decision if it wants to be born
or not. So ethically abortion is not a good choice,
What liberty is that? A fetus has no liberty. Even if a fetus did
have liberty, it certainly has no right to be forced upon anyone else.
Should you be forced to adopt an unwanted child? Of course not.
Second, with our society these days, having children shouldn't be a
burdon. Children is important to pass our genes on just like every
other species on this planet. Children is what keeps the human race
going and the evolutionary clock moving so logically abortion
shouldn't be done,
Having children should never be a burden, but the reality is that
even in the best circumstances, being a parent is a huge burden that
extends far beyond conception and the birth event. Just because a
woman has an abortion does not mean she is opposed to having a baby
at a later point in her life. Supporting abortion rights is not at
odds with the survival of our species.
Children are expensive, you can get an abortion cheaper than you can
give birth in a hospital, plus taking work off to raise it or hire
someone else to raise it for you and the child may end up being
treated like a puppy that you've just inherited, so financially
abortion is the cheaper way to go.
Exactly, but for most people, the decision to abort involves more than
financial considerations, although financial consideration is a big
factor for many people.
All those that are created by God can only return to God. After all
what happens to kids that die from SIDS or miscarraige. These kids
most certainly don't go to hell right? after all it was nature that
prevented them from being born so it should mean that they go back to
God and try again. The same belief can be aplied to abortion since if
a child gets aborted shouldn't go to hell, why would it? It's just a
dissapointment ethically and evolutionary so religiously it doesn't
matter.
I guess that makes sense for Christians. If I remember, I will ask a
friend of mine that question when I see her tomorrow night. She's an
ordained Methodist minister.
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| User: "GW Chimpzilla" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 09:10:35 PM |
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Shawn Hearn wrote:
In article <84ae19a5.0404262005.28312379@posting.google.com>,
kingssman1@hotmail.com (Kingssman) wrote:
One itsy bitsy teeny weeny problem,
To choose to kill your unborn child may be a choice for you but at the
same time you rob the liberty of the life that is inside you since it
hasn't developed to a stage to make a decision if it wants to be born
or not. So ethically abortion is not a good choice,
What liberty is that? A fetus has no liberty. Even if a fetus did
have liberty, it certainly has no right to be forced upon anyone else.
Should you be forced to adopt an unwanted child? Of course not.
The anti-abortionists believe that 'life' begins at conception. The bible
doesn't say so, but their greasy-haired fundy preacher told them so, so that's
good enough for them.
They want all fetuses to have sufferage, and they'll inist that all fetuses
really want to vote Republican.
Second, with our society these days, having children shouldn't be a
burdon. Children is important to pass our genes on just like every
other species on this planet. Children is what keeps the human race
going and the evolutionary clock moving so logically abortion
shouldn't be done,
Having children should never be a burden, but the reality is that
even in the best circumstances, being a parent is a huge burden that
extends far beyond conception and the birth event. Just because a
woman has an abortion does not mean she is opposed to having a baby
at a later point in her life. Supporting abortion rights is not at
odds with the survival of our species.
Children are expensive, you can get an abortion cheaper than you can
give birth in a hospital, plus taking work off to raise it or hire
someone else to raise it for you and the child may end up being
treated like a puppy that you've just inherited, so financially
abortion is the cheaper way to go.
Exactly, but for most people, the decision to abort involves more than
financial considerations, although financial consideration is a big
factor for many people.
All those that are created by God can only return to God. After all
what happens to kids that die from SIDS or miscarraige. These kids
most certainly don't go to hell right? after all it was nature that
prevented them from being born so it should mean that they go back to
God and try again. The same belief can be aplied to abortion since if
a child gets aborted shouldn't go to hell, why would it? It's just a
dissapointment ethically and evolutionary so religiously it doesn't
matter.
I guess that makes sense for Christians. If I remember, I will ask a
friend of mine that question when I see her tomorrow night. She's an
ordained Methodist minister.
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| User: "Kingssman" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
29 Apr 2004 10:31:36 AM |
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The anti-abortionists believe that 'life' begins at conception. The bible
doesn't say so, but their greasy-haired fundy preacher told them so, so that's
good enough for them.
Well, doesn't life begin at conception? After all once the sperm
meets the egg it then creates a chain reaction that develops into a
living being. After all the heart does start beating around 18-25
days after conception.
Now this just means that its an organism inside of you that grows,
evolves, and takes in nutrients kind of like a plant, we consider
plants living things. As far as thought proccess goes it is shown
that all basic parts of the brain are in place and nerve firings
around 8 weeks. This will make it equivilent to a thought process of
a baby fish, motor controls, circulation controls, and sensory
response like touch and sound. Its just uphill from there. Now the
chances of this child being born are highly likely. Of course there is
a small chance of miscarriage which will end this process. When a
miscarriage occurs people still consider it a loss there of, the baby
has died.
So logically the child is a living being, it can be categorized as a
parasite since it feeds off the nutrients that your body produces but
all in all, it's a living functioning independent organism unlike
sperm and egg cells.
the bible says nothing about abortion. But it would make sense that in
religion unborn childred would go to heaven because what would happen
to children who died before birth due to natural causes?
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| User: "M. Ranjit Mathews" |
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29 Apr 2004 10:43:16 PM |
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(Kingssman) wrote ...
The anti-abortionists believe that 'life' begins at conception. The bible
doesn't say so, but their greasy-haired fundy preacher told them so, so
that's good enough for them.
Well, doesn't life begin at conception?
No. A sperm is alive before it meets an egg.
After all once the sperm
meets the egg it then creates a chain reaction that develops into a
living being.
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| User: "Crowfoot" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
30 Apr 2004 01:53:19 AM |
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In article <84ae19a5.0404290731.6add96e4@posting.google.com>,
kingssman1@hotmail.com (Kingssman) wrote:
The anti-abortionists believe that 'life' begins at conception. The
bible
doesn't say so, but their greasy-haired fundy preacher told them so, so
that's
good enough for them.
Well, doesn't life begin at conception? After all once the sperm
meets the egg it then creates a chain reaction that develops into a
living being. After all the heart does start beating around 18-25
days after conception.
Life, certainly -- in the same sense that a fertilized fish egg begins
"life". Ensouled human existence is another matter. And the "chain
reaction" is infinitely interruptable all along the way by plain old
Nature, resulting in spontaneous miscarriage, which suggests that
"life" by itself is, even in the mighty and wonderful and crazy and
self destructive human species, is a massive crap shoot which most
organisms on any level never really get to participate in.
C.
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Crow
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| User: "M. Ranjit Mathews" |
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30 Apr 2004 02:58:35 PM |
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Crowfoot <suzych@swcp.com> wrote ...
kingssman1@hotmail.com (Kingssman) wrote:
The anti-abortionists believe that 'life' begins at conception. The
bible doesn't say so, but their greasy-haired fundy preacher told them
so, so that's good enough for them.
Well, doesn't life begin at conception? After all once the sperm
meets the egg it then creates a chain reaction that develops into a
living being. After all the heart does start beating around 18-25
days after conception.
Life, certainly -- in the same sense that a fertilized fish egg begins
"life". Ensouled human existence is another matter. And the "chain
reaction" is infinitely interruptable all along the way by plain old
Nature, resulting in spontaneous miscarriage, which suggests that
"life" by itself is, even in the mighty and wonderful and crazy and
self destructive human species, is a massive crap shoot which most
organisms on any level never really get to participate in.
What does it take to qualify for a Christian burial? Does a zygote
that fails to attach to a placenta qualify? Does a miscarried foetus
qualify? If these don't qualify, is it because they're un-ensouled?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
27 Apr 2004 07:39:05 PM |
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On 26 Apr 2004 21:05:28 -0700, (Kingssman) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<84ae19a5.0404262005.28312379@posting.google.com> wrote:
One itsy bitsy teeny weeny problem,
To choose to kill your unborn child may be a choice for you but at the
same time you rob the liberty of the life that is inside you since it
hasn't developed to a stage to make a decision if it wants to be born
or not. So ethically abortion is not a good choice,
Nonsense. There is no unborn child and ethics are not involved.
Second, with our society these days, having children shouldn't be a
burdon. Children is important to pass our genes on just like every
other species on this planet. Children is what keeps the human race
going and the evolutionary clock moving so logically abortion
shouldn't be done,
Are you saying humans are an endangered species?
Children are expensive, you can get an abortion cheaper than you can
give birth in a hospital, plus taking work off to raise it or hire
someone else to raise it for you and the child may end up being
treated like a puppy that you've just inherited, so financially
abortion is the cheaper way to go.
All those that are created by God can only return to God.
Prove any god exists.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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26 Apr 2004 01:52:10 PM |
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In article <vPZ68M2Wts@bK53z3h845T997QHDTB>,
posted:
At the very least, abortion is preemprive censorship.
STOP IT!
Jai Maharaj
At the very least, abortion is preemptive censorship.
STOP IT!
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION IS CENSORSHIP |
05 May 2004 03:19:30 AM |
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AHMEDABAD: In retaliation for his dowry demand not being met, a doctor
in a Maharashtra town allegedly injected his wife and five-year-old
daughter with the AIDS virus, police here on Tuesday said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/658266.cms
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