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"Rev. Donald Spitz" |
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07 Sep 2004 07:28:46 PM |
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Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
09 Sep 2004 01:06:22 AM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
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Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
Father Spitz:
Were you aborted?
Cindy
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
09 Sep 2004 10:05:02 PM |
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In talk.abortion, Rev. Donald Spitz
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>
wrote
on Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:46 -0500
<brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01>:
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
The good news: your newsreader now works.
The bad news: it's spouting the wrong message.
:-P
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#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
07 Sep 2004 07:37:35 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:46 -0500,
"IRRev. Donald Spitz"
[<Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com>] wrote:
Abortion is...
One of the most beneficial REMEDIES available. It enables
no fewer than a BILLION (yes -- with a "B" -- as in a number that is
equal to about 1/7 of the entire world's population) women, worldwide,
over any given 18-year-long period, to put their lives BACK on track
when they have NO desire to gestate unwanted pregnancies. Thus
RESTORING their full range of opportunities and their well-being to
PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
Here, in this SIG, are the FACTS that NO hateful and ignorant
Anti-Choice loon has EVER been able to disprove ---
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
08 Sep 2004 04:09:00 AM |
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:46 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
No part of this statement is correct in any way.
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| User: "Highway66" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
08 Sep 2004 08:30:02 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:46 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
No part of this statement is correct in any way.
Are you not human? If your mother aborted you, would you still be able to
post your messages .. if so, then please tell us how you would accomplish
this miracle.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
08 Sep 2004 06:10:38 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:30:02 -0500,
Anonymous Coward, "Highway66"
<us_highway_66@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
[Hatemongering Loser, "IRrev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com>] spewed:
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
No part of this statement is correct in any way.
Are you not human?
Without a doubt, he is EXACTLY as human as the more than
1,000,000,000,000,000 living, unique, and HUMAN **potential**
people that are electively aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men*...
while the ignorant and hypocritical losers of the RRR cult don't
so much as bat an eyelash.
Which would be irrelevant, except for the fact that those same
moronic losers *do* mindlessly try to defend the **equivalent*
OTHER three mere stages of the reproductive process. And
are thereby pursuing a loathsome agenda that seeks to impose
IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
If your mother aborted you, ...
An absolute impossibility. BUT -- **if** the *woman* who later
BECAME his mother had decided to have an abortion, then the
reproductive-process entity that in this reality later became a person
would absoutely have not given any more of a flying rat's ***** about
that than any of those quadrillion gametes/day that are electively
aborted, or than any of the later-stage entities which are just as
non-sentient, and which have never had any more conscious aware-
ness than the average brick.
(If there's anything DUMBER than the typical Anti-Choicer/RRR
cultist, it would be a real challenge for anyone to find them.)
MORE solid **facts** that NO Anti-Choicer can even begin to
disprove are presented in the SIG, below. ---
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
08 Sep 2004 09:02:03 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:30:02 -0500, "Highway66"
<us_highwayNOSPAM_66@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<10ju2b03ioi5f5b@corp.supernews.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:30jtj0tbgce7ltnavkm3tcfcm68vokc8i1@4ax.com...
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:46 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
No part of this statement is correct in any way.
Are you not human?
Since humans are the only known species able to post I would suggest
the evidence indicates I am.
If your mother aborted you, would you still be able to
post your messages ..
No, I would never have existed as an individual and there would have
been one less human being in the history of the species.
if so, then please tell us how you would accomplish
this miracle.
Since by definition this proposal would be impossible no response is
necessary.
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| User: "\Im George W. Bush and I approved this mess" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of a human baby. |
07 Sep 2004 08:05:07 PM |
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The Iraqi War is the murder of thousands of innocents Americans, Brits, and
most of all, Iraqi's. I don't see you speaking out against that you loon.
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01...
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins
and
to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take
away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
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| User: "Jean" |
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07 Sep 2004 10:35:22 PM |
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These same people tend to be in favor of the death penalty.
Pro choice is not pro abortion. I have never had a abortion, but I
don't own another womens body. She needs to make her own choices and
live with those choices.
Bush was AWOL
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/090304J.shtml
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/141003bushfamilyfortunes.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/090204W.shtml
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Karl Rove {Bush's Brain}
Bush AGAIN Says the Rich Can't Be Taxed
On 8-9-04 in Virginia, Bush said it was pointless to
make the rich pay their fair share of taxes because
"the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes
anyway."
George W Bush
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:05:07 -0400, "\"I'm George W. Bush and I
approved this mess\"" <kickbushout@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
The Iraqi War is the murder of thousands of innocents Americans, Brits, and
most of all, Iraqi's. I don't see you speaking out against that you loon.
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:brr%c.19482$ni.11240@okepread01...
Abortion is the murder of a human baby.
--
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins
and
to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take
away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
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