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"Rev. Donald Spitz" |
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21 Nov 2004 02:23:38 PM |
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Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
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| User: "Joachim" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
22 Nov 2004 03:53:52 AM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message news:<hP6od.929$T02.277@lakeread06>...
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
You're a moron. Ever thought of judging yourself before you jump to
conclusions about others, you freak?
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| User: "Evanard Hughes" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
24 Nov 2004 08:01:16 AM |
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(Joachim) wrote in message news:<334a5a7b.0411220153.70cd8ea5@posting.google.com>...
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message news:<hP6od.929$T02.277@lakeread06>...
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
You're a moron. Ever thought of judging yourself before you jump to
conclusions about others, you freak?
If you support murder, you are the freak.
Evanard Hughes
http://www.geocities.com/evanardhughes
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
24 Nov 2004 09:48:55 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2004 06:01:16 -0800, (Evanard
Hughes) in alt.abortion with message-id
<b7936e64.0411240601.25431a8d@posting.google.com> wrote:
jkelecom@hotmail.com (Joachim) wrote in message news:<334a5a7b.0411220153.70cd8ea5@posting.google.com>...
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message news:<hP6od.929$T02.277@lakeread06>...
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
You're a moron. Ever thought of judging yourself before you jump to
conclusions about others, you freak?
If you support murder, you are the freak.
Since abortion is not murder I think you are confused.
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 06:35:54 PM |
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In talk.abortion Rev. Donald Spitz <Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
1) Nice troll.
2) Please do Usenet a favor and refrain from making MIME-encoded posts
in the future.
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 04:06:41 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:23:38 -0500,
["IRRev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Wrong on all three counts!
1. Murder can be done *only* to already-born PEOPLE.
2. Abortion affects only mere reproductive-process entities,
since ALL *babies* have been BORN.
3. Being entities that have never experienced conscious
awareness, g/z/e/fs are neither "innocent" OR "guilty."
They possess those qualites to that same degree as that
ROCK that you clearly are dumber than.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 05:48:27 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:41b31017.173110645@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:23:38 -0500,
["IRRev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Wrong on all three counts!
1. Murder can be done *only* to already-born PEOPLE.
Mr. Peterson was convicted on two counts of murder. One was his wife. Who
was the other born person?
2. Abortion affects only mere reproductive-process entities,
since ALL *babies* have been BORN.
3. Being entities that have never experienced conscious
awareness, g/z/e/fs are neither "innocent" OR "guilty."
They possess those qualites to that same degree as that
ROCK that you clearly are dumber than.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 09:15:07 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:48:27 -0800,
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
["IRRev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Wrong on all three counts!
1. Murder can be done *only* to already-born PEOPLE.
Mr. Peterson was convicted on two counts of murder. One was
his wife. Who was the other born person?
None! Miscarriage of justice... except that if Scott actually
murdered his wife (and all the evidence was circumstantial), he
can only be put to death or incarcerated for life w/o parole once.
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't** kowtow
to Anti-Choice schmucks.
2. Abortion affects only mere reproductive-process entities,
since ALL *babies* have been BORN.
3. Being entities that have never experienced conscious
awareness, g/z/e/fs are neither "innocent" OR "guilty."
They possess those qualites to that same degree as that
ROCK that you clearly are dumber than.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
23 Nov 2004 08:10:04 PM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!) wrote in message news:<41b158f9.9336014@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:48:27 -0800,
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
["IRRev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Wrong on all three counts!
1. Murder can be done *only* to already-born PEOPLE.
Mr. Peterson was convicted on two counts of murder. One was
his wife. Who was the other born person?
None! Miscarriage of justice... except that if Scott actually
murdered his wife (and all the evidence was circumstantial)
Of course it was circumstantial. That's why he went to trial. People
who don't have a chance in court cut deals. Duh.
, he
can only be put to death or incarcerated for life w/o parole once.
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't** kowtow
to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, you would deny the law against murdering
the unborn? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have made
her feel.....to know her husband could kill her unborn child against
her consent and without any serious penalty?
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
23 Nov 2004 11:00:49 PM |
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On 23 Nov 2004 18:10:04 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty. Battery is
battery, and it's a serious offense. But a mere fetus is not a
person, and should never be regarded as one.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
24 Nov 2004 07:41:18 AM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!) wrote in message news:<41ae139b.188212729@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 23 Nov 2004 18:10:04 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
you would deny the law against murdering the unborn? If Laci had lived, >>how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could murder her unborn child against >>her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
Battery is
battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
But a mere fetus is not a
person, and should never be regarded as one.
I asked how you think Laci or any other pregnant woman would feel.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
24 Nov 2004 07:51:32 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2004 05:41:18 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant. But the death of a fetus in an
assault is NOT murder, and no penalty on that basis should be
assessed.
But a mere fetus is not a person, and should never be
regarded as one.
I asked how you think Laci or any other pregnant woman
would feel.
That's their business. They would no doubt be rightfully
very angered, as would be the case with any person harmed
in an assault.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
25 Nov 2004 07:53:11 AM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!) wrote in message news:<41a48fe2.713076@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 24 Nov 2004 05:41:18 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
you would deny the law against murdering the unborn? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could murder her unborn child against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Key word: penalty. Try to keep up. But that's beside the point. How
do you propose that he still be subject to a serious penalty if you
insist that the law deny the reality of the offense.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant.
How many people who commit battery serve life sentences?
But the death of a fetus in an
assault is NOT murder, and no penalty on that basis should be
assessed.
You still haven't answered my question. And the death of an unborn
child during an assault is, at the least, manslaughter.
But a mere fetus is not a person, and should never be
regarded as one.
I asked how you think Laci or any other pregnant woman
would feel.
That's their business. They would no doubt be rightfully
very angered, as would be the case with any person harmed
in an assault.
And further angered by the lack of justice you are suggesting.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
25 Nov 2004 10:25:17 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2004 05:53:11 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
...you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Key word: penalty. Try to keep up. But that's beside the point. How
do you propose that he still be subject to a serious penalty if you
insist that the law deny the reality of the offense.
By pretending that the death of a fetus is murder, YOU are
the one who is denying reality. Per your "key word," NO assailant
should ever be charged with murder over the termination of a
NON-person by his assault. Assault and battery laws already
provide adequate penalties for that.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant.
How many people who commit battery serve life sentences?
I don't know and I don't care. Wise people established those
penalties in MOST places, and I have no problem with the FAIR
imposition of a sentence.
But the death of a fetus in an assault is NOT murder, and
no penalty on that basis should be assessed.
You still haven't answered my question. And the death of
[a fetus] during an assault is, at the least, manslaughter.
Wrong. manslaughter requires that a PERSON be killed. And
a fetus is nothing but a mere reproductive-process entity. The
equivalent, in all important ways, as the gamete stage: human (adj.),
unique, and alive -- but NOT remotely a PERSON. Even the Bible
makes it clear thet **personhood** begins at BIRTH, in it's
"birthright" and "birth order" passages.
But a mere fetus is not a person, and should never be
regarded as one.
I asked how you think Laci or any other pregnant woman
would feel.
That's their business. They would no doubt be rightfully
very angered, as would be the case with any person harmed
in an assault.
And further angered by the lack of justice you are suggesting.
If so, that's just tough!! Justice is justice. And justice would
be trampled and trashed if penalties were to be imposed upon
anyone under false pretenses.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "jsm" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
26 Nov 2004 01:04:54 PM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!) wrote in message news:<41a7fe66.39333546@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 05:53:11 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
...you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Key word: penalty. Try to keep up. But that's beside the point. How
do you propose that he still be subject to a serious penalty if you
insist that the law deny the reality of the offense.
By pretending that the death of a fetus is murder,
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
They are different only because the law permits the killing
of our babies.
YOU are
the one who is denying reality. Per your "key word," NO assailant
should ever be charged with murder over the termination of a
NON-person by his assault. Assault and battery laws already
provide adequate penalties for that.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant.
How many people who commit battery serve life sentences?
I don't know and I don't care. Wise people established those
penalties in MOST places, and I have no problem with the FAIR
imposition of a sentence.
But the death of a fetus in an assault is NOT murder, and
no penalty on that basis should be assessed.
You still haven't answered my question. And the death of
[a fetus] during an assault is, at the least, manslaughter.
Wrong. manslaughter requires that a PERSON be killed. And
a fetus is nothing but a mere reproductive-process entity. The
equivalent, in all important ways, as the gamete stage: human (adj.),
unique, and alive -- but NOT remotely a PERSON. Even the Bible
makes it clear thet **personhood** begins at BIRTH, in it's
"birthright" and "birth order" passages.
A Fetus is Baby in Latin. Abortion is the killing
of Babies.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
26 Nov 2004 06:27:06 PM |
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On 26 Nov 2004 11:04:54 -0800,
"JSM" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
...you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Key word: penalty. Try to keep up. But that's beside the point.
How do you propose that he still be subject to a serious penalty if
you insist that the law deny the reality of the offense.
By pretending that the death of a fetus is murder,
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights. While ALL entities that die in
abortion procedures are merely reproductive-process entities which
have NO value other that the **ascribed** value that the woman
either has or has not (and almost always, it's the latter, in the cae
of elective abortions). NO intrinsic value. NO personhood. And e
ven the Bible NOwhere defends tham as people. Thus: Apples
and oranges. Worthwhile PEOPLE vis-a-vis worthLESS (due to
being unwanted) reproductibe process entities. The **equivalent**,
in all important ways, to the QUADRILLION *potential* people that
electively aborted DAILY, worldwide, by men -- human, unique, alive.
They are different only because the law permits the killing
of our babies.
No it doesn't. ANYwhere in the USA. There is NO place that
infanticide is legal. ALL **babies** have been BORN.
(You really are quite a DUMB one, aren't you? Just the sort of
loser that the RRR cult targets to recruit as its lemmings.)
YOU are the one who is denying reality. Per your "key word,"
NO assailant should ever be charged with murder over the termi-
nation of a NON-person by his assault. Assault and battery laws
already provide adequate penalties for that.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant.
How many people who commit battery serve life sentences?
I don't know and I don't care. Wise people established those
penalties in MOST places, and I have no problem with the FAIR
imposition of a sentence.
But the death of a fetus in an assault is NOT murder, and
no penalty on that basis should be assessed.
You still haven't answered my question. And the death of
[a fetus] during an assault is, at the least, manslaughter.
Wrong. manslaughter requires that a PERSON be killed. And
a fetus is nothing but a mere reproductive-process entity. The
equivalent, in all important ways, as the gamete stage: human (adj.),
unique, and alive -- but NOT remotely a PERSON. Even the Bible
makes it clear thet **personhood** begins at BIRTH, in it's
"birthright" and "birth order" passages.
A Fetus is Baby in Latin.
Tough. Latin is a DEAD language, and you are living in denial of
REALITY and the clear-cut and obvious FACTS. A fetus is merely a
reproductive-process entity, just as gametes are, and nothing more.
No cigar. Thanks for playing.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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27 Nov 2004 02:33:29 AM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!) wrote in message news:<41b0b534.79579714@netnews.mchsi.com>...
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights.
Not anymore.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html
A Fetus is Baby in Latin.
Tough.
For you. Why do you think using that word means a change in reality?
Latin is a DEAD language,
Indeed. In English we call it a baby.
and you are living in denial of
REALITY and the clear-cut and obvious FACTS. A fetus is merely a
reproductive-process entity, just as gametes are, and nothing more.
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
--S
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27 Nov 2004 03:22:34 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2004 00:33:29 -0800,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights.
Not anymore.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html
The use of the nonsense term, "unborn child," instead of that
which it actually IS -- a reproductive-process entity -- just shows
the STUPIDITY of many of the bottom-feeders now in our Congress.
But at least they had the INTELLIGENCE to ensure that THIS is part
of the law:
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to
permit the prosecution--
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion
for which the consent of the pregnant woman,
or a person authorized by law to act on her
behalf, has been obtained or for which such
consent is implied by law;
(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the
pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
THUS -- the law can ONLY be employed against actual
**assailants**, and therefore is harmless.
While ALL entities that die in abortion procedures are merely
reproductive-process entities which have NO value other that
the **ascribed** value that the woman either has or has not (and
almost always, it's the latter, in the case of elective abortions).
NO intrinsic value. NO personhood. And even the Bible NOwhere
defends tham as people. Thus: Apples and oranges. Worthwhile
PEOPLE vis-a-vis worthLESS (due to being unwanted) reproductibe
process entities. The **equivalent**, in all important ways, to the
QUADRILLION *potential* people that electively aborted DAILY,
worldwide, by men -- human, unique, alive.
A Fetus is Baby in Latin.
Tough.
For you. Why do you think using that word means a change in reality?
Latin is a DEAD language,
Indeed. In English we call it...
...one of the many words we've ADOPTED from Latin. (Just as our
word, "detour," is French. And a reproductive-process entity from the
beginning of the 3rd month of gestation, on, is a FETUS. And that is
**all** that it is. From the word whe've adopted from Latin for THAT
***specific*** meaning.
ALL **babies** have been BORN.
...and you are living in denial of REALITY and the clear-cut
and obvious FACTS. A fetus is merely a reproductive-process
entity, just as gametes are, and nothing more.
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Ah. So now you're as dumb as WINN, huh? One of the biggest
DOLTS in Usenet.
Luke wasn't even THERE to "witness" that "event." And even if he
HAD been, being a physician, probably would have recognized that for
what it no doubt WAS: merely a reflexive KICK (spasm) on the part of
a non-sentient fetus. Common to ALL living fetuses.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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27 Nov 2004 09:31:35 PM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!) wrote in message news:<41c8ec0c.159169397@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 27 Nov 2004 00:33:29 -0800,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights.
Not anymore.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html
The use of the nonsense term, "unborn child," instead of that
which it actually IS -- a reproductive-process entity -- just shows
the STUPIDITY of many of the bottom-feeders now in our Congress.
Doesn't matter what you think. That is now the law. And if the law
is what is moral is what is reality, then many of your arguments that
you have been making are now worthless.
THUS -- the law can ONLY be employed against actual
**assailants**, and therefore is harmless.
Then why did you just say it was stupid?
A Fetus is Baby in Latin.
Tough.
For you. Why do you think using that word means a change in reality?
Latin is a DEAD language,
Indeed. In English we call it...
...one of the many words we've ADOPTED from Latin.
Most of our language is derived from other languages. That word does
not define what it is we are talking about. Your argument is like
saying that a softball is not a ball, it's a sphere. Same difference.
Both words mean a three dimentional round object. Baby and fetus are
synonyms, both meaning a very young living human.
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Ah. So now you're as dumb as WINN, huh? One of the biggest
DOLTS in Usenet.
Zzzzz.
Luke wasn't even THERE to "witness" that "event."
So? Is he a liar?
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:
And even if he
HAD been, being a physician,
Your sad pathetic scenarios are irrelevant. The Bible, though a
physician, says that babies live in wombs. What of that?
The only way around it, Craig, is to deny scripture. Deny, deny,
deny. Pick and choose, hypocrite.
--S
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27 Nov 2004 10:32:18 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2004 19:31:35 -0800,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights.
Not anymore.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html
The use of the nonsense term, "unborn child," instead of that
which it actually IS -- a reproductive-process entity -- just shows
the STUPIDITY of many of the bottom-feeders now in our Congress.
###-->
But at least they had the INTELLIGENCE to ensure that THIS is
part of the law:
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to
permit the prosecution--
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion
for which the consent of the pregnant woman,
or a person authorized by law to act on her
behalf, has been obtained or for which such
consent is implied by law;
(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the
pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
THUS -- the law can ONLY be employed against actual
**assailants**, and therefore is harmless.
<--###
Doesn't matter what you think. That is now the law. And if the law
is what is moral is what is reality, then many of your arguments that
you have been making are now worthless.
There are such things as IMmoral laws that aren't worth a damn.
Such as ALL of the hateful and mindless, so-called "DOMA" laws.
As for the law you cited -- it changes NOTHING, other than to
make it possible for a sentenced assailannt to do more time. No
harm done by that whatsoever. It does NOT attempt to falsely
ascribe *personhood* to mere fetuses. Because if it had done
that, then it could NOT have provided all those exceptions for
terminating them without penalty to anyone.
Since you were dishonest and stupid enough to OMIT those
while we still were talking about this (the material that's between
the "###" symbols, above), I **RESTORED** them. Those
exceptions make DOG MEAT of your arguments, and the law is
totally HARMLESS to the right of all women to easily access
safe & legal abortion.
THUS -- the law can ONLY be employed against actual
**assailants**, and therefore is harmless.
Then why did you just say it was stupid?
I only said that calling a mere reproductive process entity a
nonsense term like "unborn child" was stupid. And it was. Laws
shoulduse honest and factual terminology -- not nonsensical
terminology, as it did.
While ALL entities that die in abortion procedures are merely
reproductive-process entities which have NO value other that
the **ascribed** value that the woman either has or has not (and
almost always, it's the latter, in the case of elective abortions).
NO intrinsic value. NO personhood. And even the Bible NOwhere
defends tham as people. Thus: Apples and oranges. Worthwhile
PEOPLE vis-a-vis worthLESS (due to being unwanted) reproductibe
process entities. The **equivalent**, in all important ways, to the
QUADRILLION *potential* people that electively aborted DAILY,
worldwide, by men -- human, unique, alive.
A Fetus is Baby in Latin.
Tough.
For you. Why do you think using that word means a change in reality?
Latin is a DEAD language,
Indeed. In English we call it...
...one of the many words we've ADOPTED from Latin.
Most of our language is derived from other languages. That word does
not define what it is we are talking about. Your argument is like
saying that a softball is not a ball, it's a sphere. Same difference.
Both words mean a three dimentional round object. Baby and fetus are
synonyms, both meaning a very young living human.
Keep on kidding yourself. But the REALITY is that NO fetus is a
baby. You can call it a stagecoach for all you care, and it'll STILL
only be a mere fetus.
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Ah. So now you're as dumb as WINN, huh? One of the biggest
DOLTS in Usenet.
Luke wasn't even THERE to "witness" that "event." ...
So? Is he a liar?
No. Just lousy as a reporter.
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:
... And even if he HAD been, being a physician, probably
would have recognized that for hat it no doubt WAS: merely
a reflexive KICK (spasm) on the part of a non-sentient fetus.
Common to ALL living fetuses.
Your sad pathetic scenarios are irrelevant. The Bible, though
[not] a physician, says that babies live in wombs. What of that?
2,000 years ago, medical science hadn't developed as yet, and
the more fined-tuned terms hadn't yet been coined. What's your
NEXT act of playing dumb, trollish 2-year-old?
<lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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29 Nov 2004 11:15:04 PM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we
will NEVER allow to be denied!) denied scripture yet again in message
news:<41ac4fe9.184738489@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 27 Nov 2004 19:31:35 -0800,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Murdered and Aborted end the same, both end up Dead.
And of course, that which is murdered ALWAYS is a human
entity that has been BORN alive, and therefore is a **person**
having intrinsic value and rights.
Not anymore.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html
The use of the nonsense term, "unborn child," instead of that
which it actually IS -- a reproductive-process entity -- just shows
the STUPIDITY of many of the bottom-feeders now in our Congress.
Doesn't matter what you think. That is now the law. And if
the law
is what is moral is what is reality, then many of your arguments that
you have been making are now worthless.
There are such things as IMmoral laws that aren't worth a damn.
Yes, I know.
Such as ALL of the hateful and mindless, so-called "DOMA" laws.
DOMA is Constitutional. Your argument seems to be with the
Constitution allowing for things like that.
As for the law you cited -- it changes NOTHING, other than to
make it possible for a sentenced assailannt to do more time.
Then you shouldn't have any problem with it.
THUS -- the law can ONLY be employed against actual
**assailants**, and therefore is harmless.
Then why did you just say it was stupid?
I only said that calling a mere reproductive process entity a
nonsense term like "unborn child" was stupid.
No, you said the people who passed that law were stupid. Since it
protects a woman's choice to have her baby, you should be all for it.
Wouldn't protecting a woman's fetus that she wants be a smart thing
for lawmakers to do?
For you. Why do you think using that word means a change in reality?
Latin is a DEAD language,
Indeed. In English we call it...
...one of the many words we've ADOPTED from Latin.
Most of our language is derived from other languages. That word does
not define what it is we are talking about. Your argument is like
saying that a softball is not a ball, it's a sphere. Same difference.
Both words mean a three dimentional round object. Baby and fetus are
synonyms, both meaning a very young living human.
Keep on kidding yourself.
Feel free to look it up. Using a synonym doesn't help you case.
But the REALITY is that NO fetus is a
baby.
That's incorrect. Baby is also a correct term.
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Ah. So now you're as dumb as WINN, huh? One of the biggest
DOLTS in Usenet.
Luke wasn't even THERE to "witness" that "event." ...
So? Is he a liar?
No. Just lousy as a reporter.
So what is the case here--that Luke was stupid, made a mistake, or was
a liar.
Like I said, that means God's inspired scripture at that point is
wrong.
What other scriptures are wrong?
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:
Including the book of Luke, presumably.
Your sad pathetic scenarios are irrelevant. The Bible, though
a physician, says that babies live in wombs. What of that?
2,000 years ago, medical science hadn't developed as yet, and
the more fined-tuned terms hadn't yet been coined.
And still hasn't yet, apparently. So is the Bible wrong, or what?
--S
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28 Nov 2004 03:30:48 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be
(snip garbage)
Please keep the killing your kids posts in the killing your kids
newsgroups. It's very offensive stuff to those that don't like
the idea of people killing their kids while hoping others will then
do the same horrifying stuff they did.
Thanks in advance.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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26 Nov 2004 11:35:44 AM |
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(Craig Chilton -- Give thanks for the Freedoms we will NEVER allow to be denied!) wrote in message news:<41a7fe66.39333546@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 05:53:11 -0800,
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
<someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
California law needs to be corrected so that it **doesn't**
kowtow to Anti-Choice schmucks.
To further your own agenda, ...
...i.e., to ensure that NO woman who desires one will EVER
again be denied asccess to safe and legal abortion upon her
request. That's not an "agenda." That's fairness and common
sense. ALIEN concepts to Ant-Choice bigots.
...you would deny the law [providing for severe penalty for those
commiting an assault against a pregnant woman that results in
miscarriage]? If Laci had lived, how do you think that would have
made her feel...to know her husband could [cause the death of
her fetus] against her consent and without any serious penalty?
I never said anything about there being no penalty.
I never said you said that.
You said that I would deny the law. And I pointed out that I
would support the modification of the law so that no "personhood"
for any fetus is ever implied.
Key word: penalty. Try to keep up. But that's beside the point. How
do you propose that he still be subject to a serious penalty if you
insist that the law deny the reality of the offense.
By pretending that the death of a fetus is murder, YOU are
the one who is denying reality.
No, the reality is that, in some states it is regarded as murder or
manslaughter. That's a fact.
Battery is battery, and it's a serious offense.
I said serious penalty.
Seious battery merits the imposition of a serious penalty
upon the convicted assailant.
How many people who commit battery serve life sentences?
I don't know and I don't care.
Of course you don't. You're showing your blatant disregard for anyone
who suffers such a misfortune at the hands of another because you have
only one agenda and it has nothing to do with caring about women.
But the death of a fetus in an assault is NOT murder, and
no penalty on that basis should be assessed.
You still haven't answered my question. And the death of
an unborn child during an assault is, at the least, manslaughter.
Wrong. manslaughter requires that a PERSON be killed.
And there are states in which a person can be convicted of
manslaughter. A woman in South Carolina was sentenced to twelve years
for killing her unborn child with drugs. That's a reality. That you
don't like it doesn't change it.
But a mere fetus is not a person, and should never be
regarded as one.
I asked how you think Laci or any other pregnant woman
would feel.
That's their business. They would no doubt be rightfully
very angered, as would be the case with any person harmed
in an assault.
And further angered by the lack of justice you are suggesting.
If so, that's just tough!!
How did I know that would be the way you would react. You don't care
about women who love their unborn children. You have one agenda only.
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26 Nov 2004 12:08:41 PM |
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On 26 Nov 2004 09:35:44 -0800, in alt.abortion
with message-id <9af9f5c5.0411260935.9cb8df3@posting.google.com>
wrote:
By pretending that the death of a fetus is murder, YOU are
the one who is denying reality.
No, the reality is that, in some states it is regarded as murder or
manslaughter. That's a fact.
Only if death occurs under certain circumstances. And that's a fact.
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28 Nov 2004 09:26:09 AM |
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On 26 Nov 2004 09:35:44 -0800, wrote:
[...]
How did I know that would be the way you would react. You don't care
about women who love their unborn children.
How about finding homes for millions of orphaned children? Care to
open your home to some more?
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:48:27 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <HQ9od.125484$cJ3.26308@fed1read06>
wrote:
"Craig Chilton -- Society OUTGROWS petty bigotries. Egalitarians assist it!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:41b31017.173110645@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:23:38 -0500,
["IRRev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2SATAN@ArmyofDEMONS.com> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Wrong on all three counts!
1. Murder can be done *only* to already-born PEOPLE.
Mr. Peterson was convicted on two counts of murder. One was his wife. Who
was the other born person?
A fetus, not a person.
California Penal Code
187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being,
or a fetus, with malice aforethought.
(b) This section shall not apply to any person who commits
an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the
following apply:
(1) The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act,
Article 2 (commencing with Section 123400) of Chapter 2 of
Part 2 of Division 106 of the Health and Safety Code.
(2) The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and
surgeon' s certificate, as defined in the Business and
Professions Code, in a case where, to a medical certainty,
the result of childbirth would be death of the mother of the
fetus or where her death from childbirth, although not
medically certain, would be substantially certain or more
likely than not.
(3) The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to
by the mother of the fetus.
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the
prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 06:35:10 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:23:38 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<hP6od.929$T02.277@lakeread06> wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
The Spitzbot strikes again. And it's still wrong.
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. |
21 Nov 2004 03:00:03 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Nothing biblical condems abortion.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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21 Nov 2004 04:39:06 PM |
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"Bible Studies with Satan" <church@state.org> wrote in message
news:nl7od.130024$R05.108292@attbi_s53...
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Nothing biblical condems abortion.
In fact, according to the Bible(tm), God(tm) is the devine abortion
provider:
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her
God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces,
and their women with child shall be ripped up.
I wonder if Reverend Shitz has ever bothered to read the Good Book(tm) and
the revolting 'morals' it endorses.
Fortunately, some people, even some Christians, see the Bible(tm) for what
it is.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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06 Dec 2004 04:48:08 PM |
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Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> wrote in
news:nl7od.130024$R05.108292@attbi_s53:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Nothing biblical condems abortion.
"Thou shalt not murder."
That about covers it.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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06 Dec 2004 05:05:39 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:Ik5td.85810$vO1.498681
@nnrp1.uunet.ca:
Bible Studies with Satan <church@state.org> wrote in
news:nl7od.130024$R05.108292@attbi_s53:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Nothing biblical condems abortion.
"Thou shalt not murder."
That about covers it.
that specifically excludes abortion.
you don't know what abortion is, do you?
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