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"Osprey" |
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22 May 2004 12:24:28 PM |
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Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to blow
this off. They will not examine it, they will say it is propaganda. Fear
is what will cause them to examine it and be willing to explore the data.
This information is for those who are serious about the issue and are
willing to examine all sides before jumping to conclusions
A study published in the August edition of the Southern Medical Journal
reveals that women who have abortions are at significantly higher risk of
near and long term death than women who give birth. This contradicts the
widely accepted opinion that abortion is safer than childbirth.
Researchers examined death records linked to Medi-Cal payments for births
and abortions for approximately 173,000 low income Californian women. They
discovered that women who had abortions were almost twice as likely to die
in the following two years.
http://www.afterabortion.org/research/DeathsAssociatedWithAbortion.pdf
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate - Dut DOESN'T! Look close! |
22 May 2004 03:52:20 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
This information is for those who are serious about the issue and are
willing to examine all sides before jumping to conclusions
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What's to examine - POOR women do die at higher rates than rich and
middle-class women, abortion or no abortion. They have higher rates of
obesity, heart disease, have poorer diets, get substandard or no regular
medical care - all contribute to a higher death rate. Nice try. You lose.
From the anti-choice website:
"Researchers examined death records linked to Medi-Cal payments for births
and abortions for approximately 173,000 low income Californian women. They
discovered that women who had abortions were almost twice as likely to die
in the following two years. They also discovered that the elevated
mortality rate of aborting women persisted over at least eight years. Over
the eight year period studied, women who aborted had a 154 percent higher
risk of death from suicide, an 82 percent higher risk of death from
accidents, and a 44 percent higher risk of death from natural causes."
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FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate - Dut DOESN'T! Look close! |
22 May 2004 04:56:19 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message
news:FZadnQ1q6JkRIDLdRVn-hw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
This information is for those who are serious about the issue and are
willing to examine all sides before jumping to conclusions
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<snip> I said for those who are serious about the issue and willing to
examine all sides before jumping to conclusions!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate - Dut DOESN'T! Look close! |
23 May 2004 12:51:46 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
<snip> I said for those who are serious about the issue and willing to
examine all sides before jumping to conclusions!
99.83% on the irony meter.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 02:37:32 PM |
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In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to blow
this off. They will not examine it, they will say it is propaganda. Fear
is what will cause them to examine it and be willing to explore the data.
This information is for those who are serious about the issue and are
willing to examine all sides before jumping to conclusions
A study published in the August edition of the Southern Medical Journal
reveals that women who have abortions are at significantly higher risk of
near and long term death than women who give birth. This contradicts the
widely accepted opinion that abortion is safer than childbirth.
Researchers examined death records linked to Medi-Cal payments for births
and abortions for approximately 173,000 low income Californian women. They
discovered that women who had abortions were almost twice as likely to die
in the following two years.
http://www.afterabortion.org/research/DeathsAssociatedWithAbortion.pdf
I guessed you missed the conclusion portion of that research paper. The
conclusion says:
"Higher death rates associated with abortion persist over time and
across socioeconomic boundaries. This may be explained by self-
destructive tendencies and other unhealthy behavior aggravated by
the abortion experience."
A reasonable interpretation of that conclusion is that those who are
prone to descructive tendencies tend to favor abortion more than those
who are not prone to such tendancies.
This is not a justification to end legal abortion, but it is
justification to make sure that those who consider abortion need
readily available, good quality counceling. Unfortunately, you
pro-liars do nothing to ensure the availability of such guidance
to troubled pregnant women.
Further, this paper uses a highly skewed method of selecting subjects
for the study. Medicaid recipients. What about those who have an
abortion, but do not qualify for Medicaid or need Medicaid's assistance?
This paper might be generalizable to poor women, but it is certainly
not generalizable to middle-class and wealthy women who opt for abortion.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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22 May 2004 04:57:43 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-72A061.15373222052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off. They will not examine it, they will say it is propaganda.
Fear
is what will cause them to examine it and be willing to explore the
data.
This information is for those who are serious about the issue and are
willing to examine all sides before jumping to conclusions
A study published in the August edition of the Southern Medical Journal
reveals that women who have abortions are at significantly higher risk
of
near and long term death than women who give birth. This contradicts
the
widely accepted opinion that abortion is safer than childbirth.
Researchers examined death records linked to Medi-Cal payments for
births
and abortions for approximately 173,000 low income Californian women.
They
discovered that women who had abortions were almost twice as likely to
die
in the following two years.
http://www.afterabortion.org/research/DeathsAssociatedWithAbortion.pdf
I guessed you missed the conclusion portion of that research paper. The
conclusion says:
"Higher death rates associated with abortion persist over time and
across socioeconomic boundaries. This may be explained by self-
destructive tendencies and other unhealthy behavior aggravated by
the abortion experience."
O.k., fair enough...that could be a significant issue..worth discussion.
A reasonable interpretation of that conclusion is that those who are
prone to descructive tendencies tend to favor abortion more than those
who are not prone to such tendancies.
This is not a justification to end legal abortion, but it is
justification to make sure that those who consider abortion need
readily available, good quality counceling. Unfortunately, you
pro-liars do nothing to ensure the availability of such guidance
to troubled pregnant women.
Further, this paper uses a highly skewed method of selecting subjects
for the study. Medicaid recipients. What about those who have an
abortion, but do not qualify for Medicaid or need Medicaid's assistance?
This paper might be generalizable to poor women, but it is certainly
not generalizable to middle-class and wealthy women who opt for abortion.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate Lies - Osprey fails again! |
22 May 2004 04:24:56 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-72A061.15373222052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Researchers examined death records linked to Medi-Cal payments for
births
and abortions for approximately 173,000 low income Californian women.
They
discovered that women who had abortions were almost twice as likely to
die
in the following two years.
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I guessed you missed the conclusion portion of that research paper. The
conclusion says:
"Higher death rates associated with abortion persist over time and
across socioeconomic boundaries. This may be explained by self-
destructive tendencies and other unhealthy behavior aggravated by
the abortion experience."
A reasonable interpretation of that conclusion is that those who are
prone to descructive tendencies tend to favor abortion more than those
who are not prone to such tendancies.
This is not a justification to end legal abortion, but it is
justification to make sure that those who consider abortion need
readily available, good quality counceling. Unfortunately, you
pro-liars do nothing to ensure the availability of such guidance
to troubled pregnant women.
Further, this paper uses a highly skewed method of selecting subjects
for the study. Medicaid recipients. What about those who have an
abortion, but do not qualify for Medicaid or need Medicaid's assistance?
This paper might be generalizable to poor women, but it is certainly
not generalizable to middle-class and wealthy women who opt for abortion.
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I can't imagine how Osprey can apply this information to all women across
the board. These are the sickest, poorest, least healthy group of women
possible to look at for "general" statistics on death after abortion. It's
also known that this group of women (poor, uneducated, welfare) have the
highest death rates giving birth, their babies have lower birth weights and
a higher death rate. The women themselves die at higher rates from diabetes,
heart disease and high blood pressure, drug and alcohol usage etc.
Note how the anti-choicers like Osprey never mention these facts though.
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 12:37:29 PM |
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In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it? They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually cite
them?
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments? What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 12:42:07 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented. It would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go away
quietly and accept it.
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments? What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
Now, if you are not a coward...research the information documented.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 02:39:40 PM |
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In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
Good enough for what? The study uses an interesting method for
selecting its research subjects, but the selection method makes
the study's ability to generalize to the entire population of
pregnant women nearly impossible because it considers only poor
women who need government assistance to pay their medical bills.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase *POOR* Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 04:09:37 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-1D5A5C.15394022052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
Good enough for what? The study uses an interesting method for
selecting its research subjects, but the selection method makes
the study's ability to generalize to the entire population of
pregnant women nearly impossible because it considers only poor
women who need government assistance to pay their medical bills.
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And everyone knows they suffer from more health problems than other groups
of women. They have an overall higher death rate in general. You can't
compare poor, uneducated welfare women on poor diets and with existing
conditions, with middle and upper-class women of the same age. That wont
stop the anti-choicers though.
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 12:50:48 PM |
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In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented. It would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments? What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your ***** so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments? You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear. What kind of life do you lead? Do
you really feel comfortable filtering out everything that is at odds
with what you want to believe?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion *May* Increase *POOR* Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 03:56:58 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
By extremist you mean people who kick your ***** so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments? You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear. What kind of life do you lead? Do
you really feel comfortable filtering out everything that is at odds
with what you want to believe?
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I find that very typical of people with fundamentalist religious beliefs.
They see in only 2 shades. Black and white. They are unable to see any
gray areas and THEY are always right (in their own minds of course.)
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 12:55:46 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented. It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you have no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments? What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
What kind of life do you lead?
A very good one, thank you
Do
you really feel comfortable filtering out everything that is at odds
with what you want to believe?
I have provided research, with the source...are you able to debunk it or
not?
I have also noticed something else...a pattern.
When ever Humphrey, Barnes, Krisblake don't get responses...other characters
suddenly pop up.
flower power..new comer
this pr character...and you
Any ways, the pattern is pretty well easy to figure out. Back to the issue.
Women's mortality rate increasing after abortion. Debunk it or you can run
off
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| User: "Elmo" |
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22 May 2004 01:06:14 PM |
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In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented. It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you have no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with? You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments? What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
What kind of life do you lead?
A very good one, thank you
You are a security guard. The only way you could believe you have good
one is if your expectations are really low.
Do
you really feel comfortable filtering out everything that is at odds
with what you want to believe?
I have provided research, with the source...are you able to debunk it or
not?
You didn't provide that.
I have also noticed something else...a pattern.
When ever Humphrey, Barnes, Krisblake don't get responses...other characters
suddenly pop up.
flower power..new comer
this pr character...and you
I see. A conspiracy.
Here is a pattern for you. If I supply the proof you ask for, you will
then run away and kill file me with others who you are afraid of.
I think I'll pass.
You aren't worth it. NEXT!
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 01:15:56 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
<snipping rest of elmo's ignorance...due to boredom>
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 01:28:25 PM |
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In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years. There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
<snipping rest of elmo's ignorance...due to boredom>
You can run, but you can't hide.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 01:44:57 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041128257711%anto@sales.com...
In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good
enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you
actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you
have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and
documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way
out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just
go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you
have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
But yet, you aren't doing anything. All talk..which was why I stopped
trying with you last time sockpuppet
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and
others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their
comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
Show us how it was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you
I did?
Provide the post please. Meanwhile, I have their post where they were the
ones who asked me to go away.
and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
oh puh-lease, they..including you..couldn't go one day without mentioning me
in a post or following a post.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Oh no...this is a riot..oh little you know.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years.
Your friend would be lying then.
There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
Well good luck to him, but he is lying...what is going on in Iraq is not
what is going on inside state prisons.
If that was the case, you would be seeing riots and officers coming out in
body bags.
You need to tell your friend to either stop lying..or you stop lying..one of
the other.
Learn about Attica and what happened with inmates were mistreated.
Or leave your uneducated guessing at home in your chair because you don't
know what you are talking about.
would you like to join an officers forum and ask other officers???
I will gladly invite you. All the others who are ignorant on the career,
declined that offer..are you going to decline too?
.
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 07:46:06 PM |
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|
In article <8tmdnfbbwpEaAjLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041128257711%anto@sales.com...
In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good
enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you
actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you
have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and
documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way
out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just
go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you
have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
But yet, you aren't doing anything. All talk..which was why I stopped
trying with you last time sockpuppet
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and
others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their
comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
Show us how it was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you
I did?
Provide the post please. Meanwhile, I have their post where they were the
ones who asked me to go away.
and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
oh puh-lease, they..including you..couldn't go one day without mentioning me
in a post or following a post.
Where is that? You are talk. Nothing more.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Oh no...this is a riot..oh little you know.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years.
Your friend would be lying then.
There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
Well good luck to him, but he is lying...what is going on in Iraq is not
what is going on inside state prisons.
If that was the case, you would be seeing riots and officers coming out in
body bags.
You need to tell your friend to either stop lying..or you stop lying..one of
the other.
Learn about Attica and what happened with inmates were mistreated.
Or leave your uneducated guessing at home in your chair because you don't
know what you are talking about.
would you like to join an officers forum and ask other officers???
I will gladly invite you. All the others who are ignorant on the career,
declined that offer..are you going to decline too?
I'm not sure what that means. Why do I have to talk to others who
don't know you about your career? Can't you speak for yourself?
.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 07:52:26 PM |
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|
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041746063364%anto@sales.com...
In article <8tmdnfbbwpEaAjLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041128257711%anto@sales.com...
In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few
others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good
enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you
actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information
you
have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and
documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy
way
out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then
just
go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and
you
have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
But yet, you aren't doing anything. All talk..which was why I stopped
trying with you last time sockpuppet
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey,
and
others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their
comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
Show us how it was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you
I did?
Provide the post please. Meanwhile, I have their post where they were
the
ones who asked me to go away.
and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
oh puh-lease, they..including you..couldn't go one day without
mentioning me
in a post or following a post.
Where is that? You are talk. Nothing more.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak
with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself,
the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Oh no...this is a riot..oh little you know.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair
expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years.
Your friend would be lying then.
There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
Well good luck to him, but he is lying...what is going on in Iraq is not
what is going on inside state prisons.
If that was the case, you would be seeing riots and officers coming out
in
body bags.
You need to tell your friend to either stop lying..or you stop
lying..one of
the other.
Learn about Attica and what happened with inmates were mistreated.
Or leave your uneducated guessing at home in your chair because you
don't
know what you are talking about.
would you like to join an officers forum and ask other officers???
I will gladly invite you. All the others who are ignorant on the career,
declined that offer..are you going to decline too?
I'm not sure what that means. Why do I have to talk to others who
don't know you about your career? Can't you speak for yourself?
Personally, I just want other Correctional Officers to see just how stupid
people who know nothing of the career really are.
Seriously, talk to your friend..he doesn't know what the hell he is talking
about.
Read up about Attica.
If it was like your friend said, officers would get killed in a heart beat.
Here is a quote from a former New York City Police officer
http://community.policeone.com/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=93&threadid=3347
"I agree with you 100 per cent. I was a NY Police Officer for 20years and
retired in 1988. Since 1989 I have been working for the NC State Dept. of
Correction. I tell people for twenty years I pull them inside and the past
15 I try to kept them inside. I have been on both sides of the coin, and
quite frankly it is more dangerous inside that out. Inside officers do not
have weapons except for the tower officers. Most officers just have OC.
Correctional Officers normally work in situations, when at anytime the
inmates can take over. The old time quote of chain gang guards is still
alive. However most correctional officers are professional people just
trying to protect the public. Here is North Carolina we have not had a raise
in pay for 4 years. We are quite underpaid for the work done. People do not
understand the work we do, maybe we should leave the gates open and let all
the inmates return prey on the public. It would serve them right, however
lot of the public are our families, friends etc. I think this is want keeps
us going.
Ronr"
If you want to stereotype and choose to be ignorant, that is your choice.
If you want to actually know what really happens and what Correctional
Officers do...you let me know. I will gladly educate you and introduce you
to many others who can assist in your education.
Choice is yours.
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 04:44:40 PM |
|
|
In article <220520041128257711%anto@sales.com>, Elmo <anto@sales.com>
wrote:
In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years. There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
<snipping rest of elmo's ignorance...due to boredom>
You can run, but you can't hide.
Keep pushing him. Eventually he will tell you that he isn't going to
speak to you anymore. In Heishman's world, being a coward is a virtue.
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 07:42:50 PM |
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In article <220520041444409399%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>, David W. Barnes
<VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
In article <220520041128257711%anto@sales.com>, Elmo <anto@sales.com>
wrote:
In article <fMudnZt4VvUiBTLd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041106141977%anto@sales.com...
In article <kt2dnZTDWtuXCTLdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041050485346%anto@sales.com...
In article <cNOdnVh0Fb1EDTLdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041037293558%anto@sales.com...
In article <koudnYNCWNEkETLdRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
Naturally some of the extremist in here...flower
power...Barnes...Fischer...humphrey, and a few others...are
going to
blow
this off.
Not really an unbiased source, is it?
You don't consider research from a medical association good
enough?
They are dedicated to pushing
their position through lies or any other means and you actually
cite
them?
Ahh, so instead of actually dwelling into the information you have
chosen to
attack the source instead.
There is a lot of information that has been noted and documented.
It
would
be nice, if you could actually
get into the information itself instead of taking the easy way out
and
attacking the source.
If you can't prove the information documented wrong, then just go
away
quietly and accept it.
Is that your idea arguing? Claiming victory and running away?
So in other words, you are going to be a waste of bandwidth and you
have
no
argument against the documentation and data.
Why did I even think for a moment you would???
What is there to argue with?
The documentation and research done
You can't come up with anything original
so you posted some crap from a pro-life rag.
As I said, you have chosen to remain a waste of bandwidth.
Kick my *****...YEA RIGHT...ROFL
Kicking your ***** is like kicking my cats *****. Sure I can do it, but
why?
Also - Why do you keep trying to pull Barnes, Humphrey, and
others
into
the conversation when you are afraid to address their comments?
What
is that all about? Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
I forgot you...;o)
sorry I will include you in the list of extremist.
By extremist you mean people who kick your *****
Kick my *****?
Defeat the date in the research
That wasn't really your research, was it?
Trying to avoid...kick my *****..YEA RIGHT!!!
Avoid what? It was *****.
so badly you fear them
and make excuses to address their comments?
Fear?
Not hardly sock puppet
Clearly fear.
Clearly you can't hide your lame excuses
You are the one who begged Barnes, Humphrey, and others to stop
bothering you and then when they stopped bothering you you mention
their names in a cowardly attempt to back stab them.
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years. There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
<snipping rest of elmo's ignorance...due to boredom>
You can run, but you can't hide.
Keep pushing him. Eventually he will tell you that he isn't going to
speak to you anymore. In Heishman's world, being a coward is a virtue.
Sigh. I suppose. He is certainly a brave talker. But when you push
him, he breaks. How do you stand him?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion *May* not does, Increase *POOR WELFARE* Women's Mortality Rate |
22 May 2004 08:45:24 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:220520041742501602%anto@sales.com...
Sigh. I suppose. He is certainly a brave talker. But when you push
him, he breaks. How do you stand him?
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The same way you stand a stinky, egotistical, overbearing, controlling,
belching, tobacco spitting, farting old Uncle at a family reunion. Since
you can't get rid of him you just sort of hold your nose and tolerate him.
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
25 May 2004 09:51:38 AM |
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In article <220520041742501602%anto@sales.com>, Elmo <anto@sales.com>
wrote:
You are just some security
guard who has a short list of people he is willing to speak with
because you live your life in fear.
some security guard..oh no..another arm chair expert...ROFL
Expert? On what? Rattling doors?
Rattling doors?
oh puh-lease, you know absolutely NOTHING about the career itself, the
dangers, risk, the training...nothing
As far as I can tell, your training leaves much to be desired.
Prisoners are tortured, killed, raped, sexually molested, and
humiliated.
Please, go sit back in your chair and be someone elses arm chair expert
I have a friend who is a guard at a state prison. He hates it. He
says much of what goes on in Iraq has been going on in US prisons for
years. There are just no cameras allowed. He says you have to be
sadistic to enjoy it. He is waiting for an opening on the State
Patrol, which he hopes is at least somewhat professional.
<snipping rest of elmo's ignorance...due to boredom>
You can run, but you can't hide.
Keep pushing him. Eventually he will tell you that he isn't going to
speak to you anymore. In Heishman's world, being a coward is a virtue.
Sigh. I suppose. He is certainly a brave talker. But when you push
him, he breaks. How do you stand him?
He is an impotent 22K a year guard. I pity him, so I put up with him.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
25 May 2004 08:25:45 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:250520040751385879%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <220520041742501602%anto@sales.com>, Elmo <anto@sales.com>
Keep pushing him. Eventually he will tell you that he isn't going to
speak to you anymore. In Heishman's world, being a coward is a
virtue.
Sigh. I suppose. He is certainly a brave talker. But when you push
him, he breaks. How do you stand him?
He is an impotent 22K a year guard. I pity him, so I put up with him.
================
Uh oh,... now he's going to harass your ISP because you exposed his
finances, as if that info isn't on the net already. Kind of reminds me of
the unpopular little twits back in gradeschool who would run to the teacher
about every little bitty thing..... Waaaa, waaaaa.... he said [fill in
complaint here].... waaaaaa..... she [fill in complaint here.]
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
26 May 2004 12:04:40 AM |
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In article <kNCdnbP-Ed28by7dRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<SaveTheWomenFirst@this.net> wrote:
Keep pushing him. Eventually he will tell you that he isn't going to
speak to you anymore. In Heishman's world, being a coward is a
virtue.
Sigh. I suppose. He is certainly a brave talker. But when you push
him, he breaks. How do you stand him?
He is an impotent 22K a year guard. I pity him, so I put up with him.
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Uh oh,... now he's going to harass your ISP because you exposed his
finances, as if that info isn't on the net already.
I know a ton of stuff about him that he refuses to accept I know. But
then, that is how he gets through life.
Kind of reminds me of
the unpopular little twits back in gradeschool who would run to the teacher
about every little bitty thing..... Waaaa, waaaaa.... he said [fill in
complaint here].... waaaaaa..... she [fill in complaint here.]
He claims he went to his supervisors about me. Now just imagine what
he supervisor would say if that were true.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion May Increase Women's Mortality Rate |
26 May 2004 01:26:38 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:250520042204401535%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <kNCdnbP-Ed28by7dRVn-sQ@>, Flower Power
Uh oh,... now he's going to harass your ISP because you exposed his
finances, as if that info isn't on the net already.
I know a ton of stuff about him that he refuses to accept I know. But
then, that is how he gets through life.
Kind of reminds me of
the unpopular little twits back in gradeschool who would run to the
teacher
about every little bitty thing..... Waaaa, waaaaa.... he said [fill in
complaint here].... waaaaaa..... she [fill in complaint here.]
He claims he went to his supervisors about me. Now just imagine what
he supervisor would say if that were true.
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I bet they avoid him like the plague at the jail. Who would want to talk to
him about anything? I know I would avoid him if I had to work with someone
with his attitude. They're probably sick to death of his endless whining
about someone slandering him or making libelous statements..... and how
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