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22 May 2004 10:21:07 PM |
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Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth |
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not
pregnant.
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| User: "Fower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth - 5 die of abortion and 350 from childbirth! |
23 May 2004 12:05:26 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide, being
murdered, drug overdose....
than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were
not
pregnant.
## So non-pregnant women die from complications of WHAT? Drugs? Murder?
Car accidents? What protects a pregnant women from these killers of
non-pregnant women?
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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23 May 2004 12:13:18 AM |
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"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:svmdncT-BOqBrC3dRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide,
being
murdered, drug overdose....
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/Finnish.html
Results. In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found.
Only in 22% of the death certificates was the preg-
nancy or its end mentioned. The mortality rate was
41 per 100,000 registered ended pregnancies (27 for
births, 48 for miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies,
and 101 for abortions). The maternal mortality rate
depended greatly on which of the 281 cases were
defined as maternal deaths. The early maternal
mortality rate varied between 0.6 and 2.5 depending
on the definition used. The classification of other
than direct maternal deaths was ambiguous, especially
in case of late cancers, cardio- and cerebrovascular
diseases, and early suicides. The official Finnish
figure for early maternal mortality (6.0/100,000
live births) seems to be a good estimate, although
only 65% of individual deaths were unambiguously
classified.
Conclusions. Register linkage is necessary to identify
late maternal deaths and pregnancy-associated deaths.
The current official classification of maternal deaths
as indirect, direct and fortuitous is arbitrary and
allows much variation in defining a maternal death.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth - 5 die of abortion and 350 from childbirth! |
23 May 2004 03:19:33 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:88udnZbgeL5Sry3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:svmdncT-BOqBrC3dRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide,
being
murdered, drug overdose....
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/Finnish.html
Results. In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found.
Only in 22% of the death certificates was the preg-
nancy or its end mentioned.
$ With a failure to mention WHAT exactly they died from!
The mortality rate was
41 per 100,000 registered ended pregnancies (27 for
births,
$ So 27 women died giving birth. More than half the women died because of
childbirth.
48 for miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies,
and 101 for abortions).
$ So out of 100,000 women 101 died from having an abortions with no other
information as to their financial status, health status, legal or self
induced abortion, .... ? This is meaningless! And we're not Finnish.
The maternal mortality rate
depended greatly on which of the 281 cases were
defined as maternal deaths. The early maternal
mortality rate varied between 0.6 and 2.5 depending
on the definition used. The classification of other
than direct maternal deaths was ambiguous, especially
in case of late cancers, cardio- and cerebrovascular
diseases, and early suicides. The official Finnish
figure for early maternal mortality (6.0/100,000
live births) seems to be a good estimate, although
only 65% of individual deaths were unambiguously
classified.
Conclusions. Register linkage is necessary to identify
late maternal deaths and pregnancy-associated deaths.
The current official classification of maternal deaths
as indirect, direct and fortuitous is arbitrary and
allows much variation in defining a maternal death.
## I figured as much - pregnancy and childbirth are still the most dangerous
thing a women can experience. In America childbirth is 11 as deadly as
having an abortion.
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
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| User: "osprey" |
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23 May 2004 11:38:52 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message news:<aKGdnaaS7947lSzd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:88udnZbgeL5Sry3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:svmdncT-BOqBrC3dRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide,
being
murdered, drug overdose....
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/Finnish.html
Results. In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found.
Only in 22% of the death certificates was the preg-
nancy or its end mentioned.
$ With a failure to mention WHAT exactly they died from!
The last thing that I think you could do is ask questions like this.
Why?
You know why. You sat in here for over a week spouting about how
dangeorus childbirth is, and how 11% of the women who give childbirth
dies as a result.
And you were questioned on specifics like
What was the age group of women who died?
What was the financial situation for many of these women?
What was the social standings and environmental issues involved?
Genetics, diseases, drugs, and so forth.
And you ignored everyone of those questions.
So here you sit, when the table is turned and now you want to ask
questions???
Get real, you have no business..at least asking me those kinds of
questions, when you were unable to answer any questions on our claims.
I will give you the same answer you gave me, and you will have to deal
with it.
Go read the research yourself!
Now, for anyone else other than Flower Power and her cohorts who
ignored the questions I asked regarding F.P.'s claims, that wants to
dig into the specifics of these reports I will be glad to work with
you and look for the answers.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth - 5 die of abortion and 350 from childbirth! |
24 May 2004 05:51:19 AM |
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On 23 May 2004 21:38:52 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message news:<aKGdnaaS7947lSzd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...
"Osprey" < > wrote in message
news:88udnZbgeL5Sry3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:svmdncT-BOqBrC3dRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" < > wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide,
being
murdered, drug overdose....
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/Finnish.html
Results. In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found.
Only in 22% of the death certificates was the preg-
nancy or its end mentioned.
$ With a failure to mention WHAT exactly they died from!
The last thing that I think you could do is ask questions like this.
I see that you are posting from work. Is your leave of absence over?
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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24 May 2004 08:01:47 AM |
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Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 23 May 2004 21:38:52 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message news:<aKGdnaaS7947lSzd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...
"Osprey" < > wrote in message
news:88udnZbgeL5Sry3dRVn-ig@comcast.com...
"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:svmdncT-BOqBrC3dRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" < > wrote in message
news:yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland
shows that women who abort are approximately four times more likely
to die in the following year
## We've seen these types of studies before. Die from WHAT? Suicide,
being murdered, drug overdose....
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/Finnish.html
Results. In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found.
Only in 22% of the death certificates was the preg-
nancy or its end mentioned.
$ With a failure to mention WHAT exactly they died from!
The last thing that I think you could do is ask questions like this.
I see that you are posting from work. Is your leave of absence over?
I suspect it's for no other reason than I mentioned he hadn't posted from work
in the last week, and to keep up that practice...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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24 May 2004 05:04:14 AM |
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Heshman shows that he's an anti-chocie, anti-abortion fanatic.
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
How does abortion cause women to be murdered, moron?
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
It's not recent, dimwit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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23 May 2004 12:14:24 PM |
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In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free choice.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also highly
biased against abortion choice? Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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23 May 2004 12:20:27 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-95C0BD.13142423052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In
addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were
not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free choice.
That doesn't prove his information to be incorrect.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also highly
biased against abortion choice?
Also, this doesn't prove the information to be incorrect
Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
I don't know the answer, but I do know that so far no one has been able to
debunk his research.
So the debate is open.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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23 May 2004 03:25:05 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:oeSdnQivkvOrQC3dRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
I don't know the answer, but I do know that so far no one has been able to
debunk his research.
So the debate is open.
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Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the TITLE of the Finish
research study and where it can be located? Anyone can write anything they
choose and post it on a website. What's to debate - lets see the entire
"study" when it was done, where, what the status of the women were etc.
Women who undergo abortions, just like women who endure pregnancy and
childbirth KNOW there's a risk involved and are willing to take the risk.
It's THEIR business - not yours!
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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23 May 2004 05:20:39 PM |
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In article <oeSdnQivkvOrQC3dRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-95C0BD.13142423052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In
addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were
not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free choice.
That doesn't prove his information to be incorrect.
This author makes a claim, but he does not substantiate it with an
actual cite. So without some references that can be verified, I can
only reach the conclusion that this paper is incorrect considering that
it comes from a highly biased source and cites a highly biased source.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also highly
biased against abortion choice?
Also, this doesn't prove the information to be incorrect
Right, but it does not prove it is correct either.
Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
I don't know the answer, but I do know that so far no one has been able to
debunk his research.
So the debate is open.
Yup. And this Dr. Reardon's paper that we are discussing proves nothing
unless it can be revised to contain real research citations.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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23 May 2004 05:22:27 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-CD3489.18203923052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <oeSdnQivkvOrQC3dRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-95C0BD.13142423052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland
shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in
the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In
addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who
were
not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free
choice.
That doesn't prove his information to be incorrect.
This author makes a claim, but he does not substantiate it with an
actual cite. So without some references that can be verified, I can
only reach the conclusion that this paper is incorrect considering that
it comes from a highly biased source and cites a highly biased source.
It is worth looking further into, of course I will continue to research more
on this and see if I can find any more out.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also
highly
biased against abortion choice?
Also, this doesn't prove the information to be incorrect
Right, but it does not prove it is correct either.
This is true
Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and
although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that
site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
I don't know the answer, but I do know that so far no one has been able
to
debunk his research.
So the debate is open.
Yup. And this Dr. Reardon's paper that we are discussing proves nothing
unless it can be revised to contain real research citations.
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| User: "Attila" |
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23 May 2004 04:47:14 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 13:20:27 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <oeSdnQivkvOrQC3dRVn-iQ@comcast.com>
wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-95C0BD.13142423052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows
that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In
addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were
not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free choice.
That doesn't prove his information to be incorrect.
It certainly does not prove it correct.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also highly
biased against abortion choice?
Also, this doesn't prove the information to be incorrect
It certainly does not prove it correct.
Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
I don't know the answer, but I do know that so far no one has been able to
debunk his research.
So the debate is open.
But you agree it is not a proven position.
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| User: "Attila" |
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23 May 2004 04:45:56 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 13:14:24 -0400, Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<srhi-95C0BD.13142423052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote:
In article <yc-dnfNAgYzMhS3dRVn-ug@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not
pregnant.
The article you cited starts out by refencing information by someone
named David Reardon who just happens to be affiliated with the Eliot
Instute, which is an organization with a huge bias against free choice.
And isn't it odd that the www.afterabortion.org web site is also highly
biased against abortion choice? Then there's that little tidbit about
Dr. Reardon, the author of the study you cited not citing the actual
source of the Finland study? I looked on Finland's web site and although
I found the site for the STAKES web site, there is nothing in that site
regarding a paper about abortion, as far as I can tell.
Why didn't this Dr. Reardon actually site the title of the Finish
research study and where it can be found? That way, we can read the
study ourselves (if its in English) and form our own opinion.
Because it's exact identity would probably show it is anything but
unbiased.
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23 May 2004 10:28:02 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:21:07 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
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http://www.afterabortion.org/news/abortiondeaths.html
Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth
New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers
Springfield, IL -- A recent government funded study in Finland shows that
women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the
following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition,
women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not
pregnant.
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
Data From Long-Term Study Demonstrate That Even Highly
Religious Women are not at Significantly Greater Risk of
Psychological Distress Because They Had an Abortion Even for
Devout Catholic Women, The Best Predictor of Well-Being
After Abortion is the Woman's Well-Being Before Abortion
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WASHINGTON -- Social scientists have known for years that
the availability of legal abortion is not associated with
long-term psychological distress in women who use it. An
eight-year longitudinal study involving nearly 5,300 young
women published in 1992 found that the best predictor of
well-being in women over the course of the study was their
well-being at the start of the study, not their income
level, job status, level of education or martial status or -
- quite specifically -- whether they had had an abortion.
Now a new follow-up study, published in the current edition
of the American Psychological Association's (APA) journal
Professional Psychology: Research and Practice finds that
the same conclusion still applies regardless of religious or
racial differences.
The study, by psychologists Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D., of
Arizona State University and Amy J. Dabul, Ph.D., of Phoenix
College, is further analysis of data gathered from a
national sample of 5,295 women aged 14 to 24 (in 1979) who
were interviewed annually from 1979 to 1987. The women's
well-being was assessed using a reliable and valid measure
of self-esteem in 1980 and again in 1987. This time, in
addition to looking at variables such as income, employment
and education, the researchers looked at race and religious
beliefs and practices to see if they had any effect on
women's well-being after having had an abortion.
They found that, overall, White women and Black women did
not differ statistically on measures of self-esteem.
Approximately the same proportion of Black women and White
women reported having had an abortion (14.6% and 14.9%
respectively), but Black women had more abortions than White
women and Black women who had abortions were more likely
than White women to be mothers (86% vs 57%). Nonetheless,
having had an abortion (or more than one) had no relation
with self-esteem in either group: 'For both Black women and
White women, prior self-esteem was the biggest predictor of
subsequent self-esteem,' the authors note. The same held
true when they compared Black and White women who reported a
religious affiliation and high or low church attendance with
those who were not religious.
Since the type of religion to which women who had an
abortion belonged also did not make a difference in their
post-abortion well-being, the researchers focused
specifically on Catholic versus non-Catholic women, given
that the Catholic Church 'has a consistent antiabortion
position that is vigorously promoted.'
Their findings in this analysis were more complex: non-
Catholic women who had high church attendance and one
abortion had the highest self-esteem; non-Catholic women who
had low church attendance and repeat abortions had the
lowest self-esteem. But at the same time, high-church-
attendance non-Catholic women with one abortion had
significantly higher self-esteem than did low-church-
attendance Catholic women with no abortions. 'Although
highly religious Catholic women were slightly more likely to
exhibit postabortion psychological distress than other
women,' the researchers say, 'this fact is explained by
lower pre-existing well-being.'
Given these findings, the researchers ask: 'Do highly
distressed women who have had an abortion exist?' And, they
answer: 'Yes. But their distress is likely to be rooted in
events and conditions that existed before they became
pregnant. Legal abortion per se does not increase a woman's
risk of negative well-being.'
Article: 'The Relationship of Abortion to Well-Being: Do
Race and Religion Make a Difference?' by Nancy Felipe Russo,
Ph.D., Arizona State University, and Amy J. Dabul, Ph.D.,
Phoenix College, in Professional Psychology: Research and
Practice, Vol. 28, No. 1.
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The American Psychological Association
(APA), in Washington, DC, is the largest scientific and
professional organization representing psychology in the
United States and is the world's largest association of
psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 142,000
researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and
students. Through its divisions in 49 subfields of
psychology and affiliations with 58 state, territorial and
Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance
psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of
promoting human welfare.
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Originally posted by Mizzyandrea
THE MYTH OF POST-ABORTION TRAUMA
by Henry P David PhD
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Induced abortion is one of the oldest forms of fertility
regulation. Perhaps no other elective procedure has evoked
as much public debate, generated such emotional and moral
controversy or received greater sustained attention from the
media. As has long been recognised, there is no
psychologically painless way of coping with an unwanted
pregnancy. While an abortion may elicit feelings of regret,
guilt or loss, an alternative solution, such as a forced
marriage, giving a baby up for adoption or adding an
unwanted child to an already strained partner relationship,
is also likely to be accompanied by psychological problems
for the woman, the child and society.
Of all the complications of abortion, psychological
responses are the most difficult to assess and evaluatepfar
more so than mortality and morbidity statistics. Assuming
that psychiatric or psychological morbidity is a real and
measurable phenomenon, the explanation for the wide range of
opinions expressed in the literature may well lie in the
inadequacy of much of the published work. Included in the
scientific deficiencies are an overemphasis on clinical case
histories that ignore the large majority of women who
terminate unwanted pregnancies and never seek post-operative
mental health consultation; the absence of standardised
follow-up procedures; failure to reach consensus on
diagnostic psychological criteria; or disagreement on
psychological variables related to the sociocultural context
within which the abortion decision occurs. Differing
political, moral, ethical and religious perspectives impinge
on how abortion is perceived by diverse observers.
Post-abortion trauma was initially described by Rue1 as a
variant of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Subsequently it has been asserted that in 1987 the American
Psychiatric Association acknowledged in its newly revised
manual of diagnostic criteria, the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders III-R (DSM-III-R)
that abortion is a type of 'psychosocial stressor.' However,
the American Psychiatric Association never published a
statement suggesting this. Neither the 1987 nor the 1994
revision of the APA Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM
III-R and IV) mention abortion in relation to post-traumatic
stress disorder. Indeed, the only mention of abortion in DSM
IV is spontaneous abortion.
As defined by the APA, PTSD is a disabling condition
'following exposure to an extreme traumatic stressor
involving direct personal experience of an event that
involves actual or threatened death or serious injury'.
Likely stressors cited by APA as examples of PTSD include
military combat, violent personal assault, terrorist attack,
and being held hostage. It is quite a stretch to claim
abortion as a stressor likely to induce PTSD.
Usdin2, one of the major developers of the concept of post-
traumatic stress disorder noted that one of the criteria for
PTSD is experiencing 'an event that is outside the range of
usual human experience and that would be markedly
distressing to almost anyone.' Considering that more than 30
million women in the USA and four million women in the UK
have experienced abortion since its legalisation it can
hardly be said that the abortion experience is outside the
range of usual human experience. There has been no reported
increase in public or private mental health services for
women attributing their current psychological problems to
abortion.
The rationale for post-abortion syndrome (PAS) was developed
by A C Speckhard in 1985 in an unpublished thesis based on
interviews with 30 women recruited for her doctoral
dissertation in sociology at the University of Minnesota.
The women had been recruited because they deemed their
abortion experience to have been 'highly stressful'. The
time between the retrospective account and the most recent
abortion varied from one to 25 years. Both legal and
clandestine abortions were included. 46 per cent of the
sample had second trimester abortions and four per cent
experienced third trimester terminations, both known to be
more psychologically stressful than first trimester
procedures. Whereas over 90 per cent of all women having
abortions in 1990 had them in the first trimester, only 50
per cent of Speckhard's sample reported first trimester
abortions. More than nine out of 10 (92 per cent) of the
women recalled feelings of anger, hostility or rage toward
individuals (including partner, medical professionals and
significant others) who were perceived as having been
coercive in the abortion decision-making process. Moreover,
96 per cent of the subjects 'regarded abortion as the taking
of a life or as murder,' an observation very likely to
heighten feelings of guilt and perceptions of stress.
Speckhard later cautioned readers that 'the generalisability
of the results is severely limited by the size of the sample
and the sampling methodology,' adding that 'the results
presented do not necessarily apply to all women who have
abortions, or even to that proportion of women who are
highly stressed following abortion.' It was indeed an
atypical sample.
Recognising the political, ethical and moral issues
intertwined with abortion and in response to questions
raised in the United States Congress about the medical and
mental health effects of abortion, the American
Psychological Association, in 1989, convened an expert panel
to examine psychological factors. The panel's mission was
not to assess values but to consider the best available
evidence on psychological responses to abortion. It focused
on studies with the most rigorous research designs,
reporting findings on the psychological status of women who
had legal abortions under non-restrictive circumstances,
that is, on request in the first trimester and not solely on
grounds of physical or mental health.
The panel found that psychological distress is generally
greatest before the abortion when the woman has to decide
how to resolve an unwanted pregnancy. Responses after
abortion reflect the range of psychological experience and
the resources a woman has for coping with negative life
events. While there may be temporary sensations of regret,
sadness or guilt the weight of the evidence indicates that
legal abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in the first
trimester does not pose a severe psychological hazard for
the vast majority of women. Indeed, most women report
experiencing a feeling of reliefpof anxiety lifted.
A longer term study3 found that the wellbeing of 773 women,
interviewed annually in a national sample of 5,295 women,
was unrelated to their abortion experience eight years
earlier. Women who had had an abortion had a statistically
significant higher global self-esteem rating than women who
had never had an abortion. This difference was even greater
when comparing aborting women with those delivering unwanted
pregnancies (who had the lowest self-esteem). Women who had
experienced repeat abortions did not differ in self-esteem
from women who had never had an abortion. In all, the
evidence confirmed earlier findings that factors other than
the abortion experience itself determine post abortion
emotional status, particularly how a woman perceives her
pregnancy and how she believes it to be perceived in her
immediate social environment. Some women continually
reconstruct and reinterpret past events in the light of
subsequent experience and can be pressured into feeling
guilt and shame long afterwards.
Denmark offers unique opportunities for research in
reproductive health because it has a uniform national
population registration system that provides access to
national abortion, birth and admission to psychiatric
hospital registers. Linkage among these registers makes it
possible to compare the risks of psychiatric hospital
admission following abortion and childbirth. However,
because there may be a bias against hospitalising a new
mother, particularly if she is nursing, the relative
psychological risk of abortion compared with childbirth may
be exaggerated by using hospital admission as an operational
indicator of psychiatric illness.
Controlling for previous psychiatric history, first time
psychiatric hospital admissions were tracked three months
post-abortion and postpartum and for all other women
experiencing no fertility event under age 50 residing in
Denmark. Data were obtained on 27,234 women terminating
pregnancy, 71,378 women carrying to term and the total
population of 1,169,819 women 15-49 years old.4
Among women who were married or living in a stable partner
relationship, the post-pregnancy risk of admission to a
psychiatric hospital was about the same for abortions or
deliveries: approximately 1.3 per 1,000 abortions and 1.2
per 1,000 deliveries. While the difference between rates for
abortions and deliveries was not statistically significant,
the rate for the total population of women was considerably
lower (0.7 per 1,000). Among a smaller group of separated,
divorced or widowed women, those who had terminated
pregnancies showed a substantially higher psychiatric
admission rate (6.4 per 1,000) than did separated, divorced
or widowed women carrying to term (1.7 per 1,000). Women who
are divorced, separated or widowed may be relatively more
likely to be terminating pregnancies that were originally
intended, placing them at higher risk for negative post-
abortion psychological reactions. However, in the aggregate,
there appeared to be little risk to psychological wellbeing
after either abortion or delivery in Denmark.
In a longer term (up to 11 years) prospective cohort study5
of 13,261 women, organised jointly by the Royal Colleges of
Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and of General
Practitioners in the United Kingdom, there were four
comparison groups: 6,151 women who did not request abortion,
6,410 who obtained an abortion, 379 whose request for
abortion was denied, and 371 who requested an abortion and
then changed their minds.
Among the study's key findings were that (a) among women
with equivalent past psychiatric histories there were no
significant differences between the comparison groups in
overall rates of psychiatric illness; (b) women with a
previous history of psychosis were more likely to experience
a psychotic episode during the period of the study than
those who had no such history and that termination of
pregnancy did not appear to increase the risk; (c) women
with a past history of non-psychotic disorder or no history
of psychiatric disorder who had a termination were
significantly less likely to have a psychotic episode than
those who did not request a termination; and (d) in women
with no previous history of psychosis the risk of psychosis
after termination appeared to be lower than after
childbirth.
The authors note that many women were lost to follow-up
during the study and that at the end just 2,122 (34.4 per
cent) of the termination group and 3,000 (42.4 per cent) of
those who did not request a termination were still under
observation but that comparisons between the groups were
still valid.
Severe psychological reactions after abortion are
infrequent. Psychoses are very uncommon, being reported in
only 0.3 to 1.2 per 1,000 legal abortions. Individual case
studies and anecdotal reports of severe stress or
psychopathology following abortion abound in some of the
literature but there is no clear evidence of causal linkage
to abortion. While such responses can be emotionally
overwhelming for the woman concerned and for her family, the
number of such cases is very small, and has been
characterised by former US Surgeon General C Everett Koop as
'minuscule from a public health perspective'. Women
identified in the research literature as being at some risk
for negative psychological reactionspand in potential need
of special counsellingpare those who terminate a very much
wanted pregnancy for medical reasons; lack support from
partners or parents for their decision; were coerced into
making a decision they subsequently regretted; are
conflicted about deeply held religious values; are uncertain
of their coping abilities beforehand; blame themselves for
the pregnancy; delay into the second trimester or had a
previous psychiatric episode.
For the vast majority of women, an abortion will be followed
by a mixture of emotions, with a predominance of positive
feelings. This holds immediately after abortion and for some
time afterward. Little is known about very long term effects
beyond 10 years. However, the positive picture reported up
to eight years after abortion makes it unlikely that more
negative responses will emerge later. Severe negative
reactions are rare. The time of greatest stress is likely to
be before the abortion decision is made. In all, evidence
from the research literature suggests that, in the
aggregate, legal abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in the
first trimester does not pose a psychological hazard for
most women. They tend to cope successfully and go on with
their lives. There is, as yet, no credible evidence for the
existence of post-abortion syndrome.
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1Rue VM. Abortion and family relations, Testimony presented
before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, US Senate
Judiciary Committee, US Senate, 97th Congress, Washington DC
1981. 2Usdin G. Psychiatry, letters, February 1990. 3Russo
NF, Zierk KL. Abortion, childbearing and women's well-being,
Professional Psychology: Research and Practice 1992, 23:
269-280. 4David HP. Post-abortion and postpartum psychiatric
hospitalisation in R Porter and M O'Connor (eds) Abortion:
Medical progress and social implications Ciba Symposium No
45 London, Pitman 1985,150-161. 5Gilchrist AC, Hannaford PC,
Frank P, Kay CR. Termination of pregnancy and psychiatric
morbidity, British Journal of Psychiatry 1995, 167: 243-248.
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Prepared for presentation at the international conference on
abortion, Abortion Matters, in Amsterdam, The Netherlands,
27-29 March 1996. An expanded, fully referenced version of
this paper is available from Birth Control Trust.
(Ray Fischer)
STUDY REPORTS RISE IN CHILDBIRTH DEATHS San Jose Mercury
News (SJ) - Tuesday, June 11, 1996 By: New York Times
UNITED NATIONS In the first comprehensive survey in a decade
to look at maternal deaths worldwide, UNICEF reported Monday
that about 585,000 women die each year during pregnancy and
childbirth, many needlessly.
Millions more, perhaps as many as 18 million women, suffer
debilitating illnesses or injuries that often disable them.
The figures are nearly one-fifth higher than previous
estimates of about 500,000 deaths, according to the report
by UNICEF, the United Nations Childrens Fund, which compiled
the new data with the World Health Organization and Johns
Hopkins University.
Much of the tragedy is preventable, the study says.
"For the most part, these are the deaths not of the ill, or
the very old, or the very young, but of healthy women in the
prime of their lives," says the report, the Progress of
Nations 1996.
Data from the report indicate that one in 13 women in sub-
Saharan Africa and one in 35 in South Asia dies of causes
related to pregnancy and childbirth, according to UNICEF
officials, compared with one in 3,200 in Europe, one in
3,300 in the United States, and one in 7,300 in Canada.
The survey faults the shortage of obstetric care in many
nations. It calls for the proper medical training of more
midwives who would be better qualified than traditional
birth attendants to assist mothers before, during and after
delivery.
About 75,000 women die annually of botched abortions and
another 75,000 of brain and kidney damage in eclampsia, a
disorder that can cause high blood pressure and convulsions
late in pregnancy. At least 100,000 die of blood poisoning
and 40,000 of obstructed labor.
The report on maternal risks, prepared under UNICEF's
director, Carol Bellamy, a former New York City Council
president and director of the Peace Corps who took over the
agency last year, is notably stronger in its language and
imagery than many U.N. publications.
The new figures produced in the UNICEF report raised some
questions among experts, who say that getting accurate
information on maternal mortality is notoriously difficult.
At Harvard University, Lincoln Chen, professor of
international health and head of the Center for Population
and Development Studies, said that the difference between
500,000 maternal deaths, the previously accepted figure, and
585,000 or 600,000 may fall within a margin of error, since
all such numbers were "insecure."
More information at http://www.unicef.org/pon96/contents.htm
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Originally posted by (Ray Fischer)
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