| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Pastor Dave" |
| Date: |
27 Sep 2005 11:57:07 AM |
| Object: |
ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
And while they claim that I am running away and that
they have already answered these questions, the reality
is that they are the ones who keep trying to change the
subject, attacking me and I have even bagged them later
saying that I don't deserve answers, which means that all
of the times that they claimed that they already answered
them, they lied.
The abortionists are afraid of these questions regarding
partial birth abortion and it shows. They haven't even had
their facts straight, equating D&X to partial birth abortion
and trying to claim that the bill (later in message) was
rejected, when in reality, it was a different bill than the
one I'm quoting (further down) and it was only set aside,
because it didn't leave an option for saving the mother's
life if necessary.
Craig calls it "self defense", even though less than 2%
of all abortions are done for medical reasons, according
to the women themselves.
So let's look and see what Craig and his foolish cronies are
running away from. And please check the links in my sig. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:15:28 AM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:17:50 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:15:28 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy,
How can it be harmless, when women have died from it and
have had medical complications from it, including the
inability to have any children, ever and have died from it?
To all: Check the links in my sig! :)
Anyway, back to the point. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HP.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:26:49 PM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 01:29:50 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:26:49 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy,
How can it be harmless, when women have died from it and
have had medical complications from it, including the
inability to have any children, ever and have died from it?
To all: Check the links in my sig! :)
Anyway, back to the point. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HP.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 08:12:39 AM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 10:27:27 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
...in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 06:48:43 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:27:27 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave <news-group-mail@tampa-bay.com> wrote:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
[Pro-Choicers] who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
...in huge letters.
You are wrong.
Oh? Contradicting *yourself* so SOON in the post?
They simply tried to rename their movement, when it was
openly displayed in graphic detail what they stood for.
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE. So that no women EVER again will be denied the
capability to decide for themselves the outcome of their
pregnancies, whether those pregnancies are desired by them
or not.
**IF** many years ago, any Pro-Choicers held up "Pro-abortion"
signs, the ONLY explanation for that would be that it was in direct
reaction to OPPOSITION to the remedy of abortion by ignorant
and hateful bigots like you.
They even used to call us what we are. "Pro-Life".
If so, that would have been an error on their part. Since
pretty much EVERYONE is pro-life, for all the human life that
*counts* -- that which has been BORN.
... they now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", ...
Nah. We don't "try" to. We DO call you Anti-Choice, because
that is a 100% *accurate* descriptor of your hateful and loathsome
(not to mention also profoundly-IGNORANT) agenda against women,
their rights, their well-being, and their future opportunities. For
NOTHING!! Your is a vacuous and sociopathic agenda having
absolutely NO socially-redeeming significance.
... figuring it will make us look bad, because after all, who
wants to be an "anti"?
That's indeed why you and your ilk WHINE when we tell that
truth about you. But no matter HOW loudly and how long you
WHINE like petulant 2-year-olds, that's ALL that you whiners
have ever been: ANTI-Choicers. Sociopathic and incredibly-
STUPID losers.
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
That's true, because one only needs to DEFEND something
that is under attack. Thus, we SUPPORT the right of women to
choose between abortion and gestation-to-term EQUALLY... but
will only have to *defend* the latter if some group that's is hateful
and nutty as you are springs up to *oppose* the right of women
to choose to gestate-to-term, free of interference.
If that happens, we PRO-Choicers will spring to the defense of
that option with just as much vigor and dedication that we already
apply to defending the right of women to access the remedy of
abortion.
Meanwhile. if you had your way, you ANTI-Choicers would
leave girls and women having unwanted pregnancies with NO
choice but to be FORCED to gestate-to-term against their will.
A very *real* form of RAPE.
You never see a [Pro-Choicer] rallying for women to GIVE
BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood, for example,
counseling women to have the baby.
In the first instance, women already HAVE that choice, free of
interference from loons, so no rallies are needed.
In the second instance -- THANKS for proving to everyone that
you don't know DIDDLY about Planned Parenthood. Which
gives valuable advice for BOTH options.
One of the providers that you moronic Anti-Choicers whine the
MOST about is Dr. Tiller, in Wichita, Kansas. So be honest enough
(if for you that could EVER be possible) to visit www.drtiller.com and
have the gall to come back and say that HE doesn't do **exactly**
that. If you claim that he doesn't, you'll be LYING again. (Which,
for you, is a state of normalcy.)
This is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly.
The only thing "simple" about that statement is that it further
reveals you to be a *SIMPLETON.*
<Hate-propaganda flushed. You've already
destroyed your credibility. As usual.>
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And
missed the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
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08 Oct 2005 09:32:51 PM |
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(Craig might like to read this article. Harry speaks of the confidence
tricksters that are the feminists. Naturally what he says applies to the
pro-abortion movement - a subset of feminism. This is how Craig goes about
propagandizing abortion, the most insipid hucksterism I've ever witnessed.
Remember, Craig: Why try so hard to make it SOUND good when you could just
argue the facts instead?)
http://www.angryharry.com/estrojanhorsesoffeminism.htm
We all know that there are many bad people in this world who set out to harm
others in some way or another; perhaps to rob them, or to cheat them, or even
to kill them.
And these people often present themselves in a positive light in order to fool
those whom they are intent on harming.
And so, for example, Jews were often led peacefully and without protest toward
the gas chambers because the Nazis had tricked them into believing that they
were merely going to be given the opportunity to have a nice cleansing shower.
And confidence tricksters of all kinds will present themselves to their future
victims as very pleasant personalities in order to generate warmth and trust -
which they will eventually betray.
Often these malicious people work in teams.
For example, one person in the team might present himself as a warm and
trustworthy individual while it is another person from the same team who is
going to do the bad deed.
And they are in cahoots with each other.
But sometimes malicious individuals can use the cover of the good natures of
unsuspecting others in order to entrap people into falling for their nasty
scams.
For example, an unscrupulous businesswoman might use the name of a trusted
individual - perhaps a celebrity - in order to advertise and sell a product
that is not up to standard.
Well. This is the type of method that the feminists have successfully used
over and over again throughout the past many decades in order to hoodwink the
public into believing that their ideology and their motives are pure,
wholesome and worthy of support.
They hide behind the cover of the pleasant personalities of others in order to
get endorsement for their dark and sickening agendas.
In many cases, these pleasant personalities are just ordinary women who have
been bamboozled into believing that feminism is just about 'equality' and fair
play. These gullible women then often masquerade as feminists themselves, thus
giving credence and a positive image to the malicious feminists behind the
scenes and to their bankrupt ideology.
I have already written many articles demonstrating that feminism is an
ideology that is both based and energised almost exclusively on the generation
of hatred towards men, and I do not propose to go through all the evidence for
this here.
But I will state quite categorically and without reservation that ...
Feminism is not about equality. It is a revolting ideology that is akin to
Nazism; e.g. see Feminism and Nazism
It is led by some very nasty women; e.g. see Feminists Are Nasty Things.
It is not about equality; e.g. see Equality Between Men and Women Is Not
Achievable
Its proponents perpetrate lie after lie after lie; e.g. see Rape Baloney
And their persistent claim that women get paid less for the same work as men
is rubbish; e.g. see Some BBC Propaganda Tricks
Feminism is also creating and inflaming a never-ending gender war; e.g. see A
Permanent Gender War?
Feminists have been caught lying, cheating and deceiving over and over again
in order to further their aims. They have corrupted the justice system, robbed
men of their homes and their children, cheated men in the workplace, deprived
boys of a decent education, stolen most of the health budget and, via the
media, have engaged in an onslaught of male hatred for three decades that is
almost impossible to imagine so massive has it been.
And one of their more disgusting aims - which they try to hide - is to destroy
people's families and their close relationships.
As just one tiny example of this hidden agenda, here follows an excerpt from
an article by Sandra Paterson in this week's New Zealand Herald.
There is a little old lady in Auckland with whom Helen Clark would not be very
pleased. If she knew who she was, that is.
Back in the 1970s, when the little old lady was much younger, she used to go
to feminist meetings. Not because she was a feminist, but because she and her
husband were concerned at the sorts of things being discussed.
"So I would go off to all these meetings around the country to monitor what
was going on," she says. "I remember there was an outcry at one conference
because a woman had brought along her baby son. He wasn’t wanted in the room
because he was a male."
She also remembers many of the women who attended or addressed these events,
among them Helen Clark, Sylvia Cartwright, Marilyn Waring, Cath Tizard, Ros
Noonan and Margaret Wilson.
For decades she has watched as the young feminists of the 70s became some of
the most powerful leaders in New Zealand. And for decades she held on to a
couple of documents which outlined, all those years ago, a long-term feminist
agenda to change New Zealand society by attacking the traditional family unit.
Lately, however, concerned at just how much of the agenda was being
accomplished, she passed the papers to a friend, who in turn sent them to me
and to journalist Ian Wishart, as covered in this month’s Investigate
magazine, which you can be sure is not on the coffee table at the PM’s house.
The documents in question were written by another regular at the 1970s women’s
meetings, Kay Goodger, who is now a senior adviser in the Ministry of Social
Development.
Goodger called on the radical feminists of the day - Clark and co - to do
everything they could in their spheres of influence to replace or sideline the
traditional family.
"The family distorts all human relationships by imposing on them the framework
of economic compulsion, social dependence and sexual repression," she wrote.
"Our goal must be to create economic and social institutions that are superior
to the present family."
.... Coercive family laws should be abolished, she wrote, adding that "the
rearing, social welfare and education of children should become the
responsibility of society rather than individual parents."
It is there, in front of your nose.
These feminists could not give a damn about the damage that they have caused
to millions of families - something that they purposely set out to do. They do
not give two hoots for the communities that they have destroyed, nor for the
millions of people whose lives have been damaged. And they care not a jot for
the trillions of dollars that have been wasted and expended across the western
world over the decades in vain attempts to counter the serious problems that
they have purposely been creating; such as those caused by fatherlessness.
Destroying people's families and their relationships is one of their main
aims.
And if you look at the activities that they have engaged in over the past few
decades, nearly every move of theirs is consistent with this aim.
And you need to wake up to this.
Indeed, the evidence is that feminism is little more than an ideology of
hatred.
Hatred towards men.
And feminists will do everything that they can to keep stirring up this
hatred.
As just one example of this, many of you will have been indoctrinated with the
view that western women were oppressed in the past because they were 'denied
the vote'. This is utter nonsense. There was virtually nothing to vote for a
century ago, because national governments were tiny. (The tax rate was about
1% and not many people paid it.) People hardly knew that their national
governments existed, so little did they impinge upon daily life. And if you
look closely at the small amount of social legislation that western
governments did pass in those days, it was invariably in favour of women, and
often to the detriment of men. For example, during the middle of the 1800's,
western governments passed legislation restricting the working hours of women
and children. There were no such restrictions on the working hours of men -
who often had to labour for 16 hours a day, Indeed, many of the early
feminists in this period were not complaining that the lack of voting rights
somehow amounted to an 'oppression' of women, but that women were too often
wasting their time on trivial matters once their children were grown up, and
that giving them the vote might actually cause them to take more of an
interest in the working of society.
Another example of feminist deceits - one that is often used to demonise men
and to stir up hatred toward them - is the bogus claim that women were denied
jobs and/or were paid less than men in the past in order to keep them
oppressed in some way.
This is a blatant lie.
The truth of the matter is that both men and women recognised that no
communities could survive for very long if some families had two wage earners
while others had none. They would have been torn apart by the relentless
discord and violence that such a situation would have created. And it was
women, themselves, who wanted to ensure that their men were gainfully
employed; e.g. see Women - Weak and Pathetic?
And if any woman had dared to take one of "their men's jobs" it is the women
who would have torn her to pieces; not the men.
And they would have been protecting their families and their communities by
doing so.
Unemployment was almost a death sentence 100 years ago and beyond.
Furthermore, the notion that women wanted hordes of unemployed men and youths
languishing in their communities with nothing to do except cause trouble is
patently ridiculous.
But, yes, it is true that when more women started to do jobs that were
previously the preserve of men, they were often paid less.
But there were two main reasons for this.
1. They did not incur the same level of wrath from other men and women.
2. They usually had a husband to support them, whereas men usually had to
support their wives and their children. And if women had been paid the same as
men, then the same type of problems would have arisen as before. "My husband
(or son) hasn't got a job because that woman down the road has taken it; etc
etc etc."
And when women went out to work in those days it was mostly just to earn a
little money to pay for the little 'extras' in life - in fact, much the same
as many women still do today.
But the point is this.
It was women - just as much as men - who engineered the kind of society in
which they lived.
It could not have been any other way!
And I can almost guarantee you that wherever you find any instances wherein
women - as a gender - were, in fact, being treated shabbily - even for those
times - there will be many more instances wherein men were being treated
worse.
But feminism is a truly disgusting ideology that thrives on fuelling
male-hatred and it survives only by perpetuating lies.
And when women today identify themselves as feminists they are supporting both
this hateful ideology as well as the hate-mongering self-serving deceitful
women who lead it, and they are encouraging others to see feminism as some
kind of benign influence when it is nothing of the sort.
It is one of the most malicious and destructive ideologies that one could
dream up; e.g. see The Benefits of Feminism.
And so when I see nice, pleasant women supporting feminism in any way at all,
my blood begins to boil.
They make me think of the smiling benevolent faces that so often welcomed the
Jews to the camps and showed them the way to the shower rooms.
And the nicer and the more pleasant that these ignorant women are, the more
benign and alluring do they portray feminism to be.
As such, they are a significant malevolent force working on behalf of the
whole foul feminist enterprise.
Unwittingly or otherwise, they are part and parcel of a huge ideological
machine that thrives by fueling a hatred of men throughout the world.
And if any western women truly want to help their men and, indeed, themselves
and their loved ones, then they must do their best to undermine feminism and
to destroy it. But if they foolishly masquerade as feminists themselves, or
make inane uneducated statements that mislead others into thinking that
feminism is 'only about equality', then they are not helping their men or
their societies at all.
They are doing the very opposite.
Women who call themselves feminists, or who support feminists or feminism - no
matter how nice and pleasant they might be - are Trojan Horses through which
feminism maintains its torrential volley of hatred.
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09 Oct 2005 06:20:12 AM |
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"Sgt. America" <213@213.31> wrote in message news:43488153.5478C87@213.31...
(Craig might like to read this article. Harry speaks of the confidence
tricksters that are the feminists. Naturally what he says applies to the
pro-abortion movement - a subset of feminism. This is how Craig goes about
propagandizing abortion, the most insipid hucksterism I've ever witnessed.
Remember, Craig: Why try so hard to make it SOUND good when you could just
argue the facts instead?)
I guess you know that MANY MANY women who adamantely refuses the name
"feminism" to be applied to their name because of the abortion issue are
indeed very much a "feminist" in all other aspects as defined by the
feminist movement, i.e. right to vote, right to own property, right to be
more than legal minor from birth to death, right to equal pay for truly
equal exact work, etc. etc.?
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08 Oct 2005 09:37:20 PM |
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In article <43488153.5478C87@213.31>, Sgt. America <213@213.31> wrote:
Feminism is not about equality. It is a revolting ideology that is akin to
Nazism; e.g. see Feminism and Nazism
We sure get a lot of nut cases out here.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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08 Oct 2005 10:05:43 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:37:20 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <43488153.5478C87@213.31>, Sgt. America <213@213.31> wrote:
Feminism is not about equality. It is a revolting ideology that is akin to
Nazism; e.g. see Feminism and Nazism
We sure get a lot of nut cases out here.
And this "Sgt. America" does not realize that he is the fish the
unscruplous are using.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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08 Oct 2005 11:43:48 PM |
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In article <434888bd.409031@news.la.sbcglobal.net>, Paul Anderson
<elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:37:20 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <43488153.5478C87@213.31>, Sgt. America <213@213.31> wrote:
Feminism is not about equality. It is a revolting ideology that is akin to
Nazism; e.g. see Feminism and Nazism
We sure get a lot of nut cases out here.
And this "Sgt. America" does not realize that he is the fish the
unscruplous are using.
Yep.
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| User: "Somebody None" |
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09 Oct 2005 06:32:34 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:37:20 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <43488153.5478C87@213.31>, Sgt. America <213@213.31> wrote:
Feminism is not about equality. It is a revolting ideology that is akin to
Nazism; e.g. see Feminism and Nazism
We sure get a lot of nut cases out here.
Um, yeah!
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12 Oct 2005 11:34:38 PM |
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Sgt. America <213@213.31> wrote:
http://www.angryharry.com/estrojanhorsesoffeminism.htm
We all know that there are many bad people in this world who set out to harm
others in some way or another; perhaps to rob them, or to cheat them, or even
to kill them.
People like you.
And these people often present themselves in a positive light in order to fool
those whom they are intent on harming.
We've seen you do that.
And so, for example, Jews were often led peacefully and without protest toward
the gas chambers because the Nazis had tricked them into believing that they
were merely going to be given the opportunity to have a nice cleansing shower.
And you cloak yourself in righteousness in order to force innocent
women to suffer and even die.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 Oct 2005 05:47:13 AM |
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The article by Sandra Paterson that is cited in the Trojan Horse piece
by Angry Harry as an example of a "hidden feminist agenda" is a
complete fabrication. It was an attempt by the religious right to
smear the Labour government in the recent New Zealand election
campaign. The anonymous "little old lady" who gave the story to
Paterson is a Catholic extremist whose wild assertions led a talk-back
radio host to ban her some years back, and the editor of the Herald has
refused to print her letters. She got in through the back door via a
Christian conservative columnist with an anti-government agenda, aided
by the editor of a tabloid magazine who is also fond of conspiracy
theories.
Apparently, this "little old lady" has never gotten over the fact
that the 1973 United Women's Convention - attended by
1,500 women - voted overwhelmingly for pro-choice abortion law reform.
Likewise, she and other Christian conservatives cannot accept that they
lost when legislation allowing civil unions was passed late last year -
not by the Labour government but by a conscience vote of all Members of
Parliament. So she dreams up a "plot".
The eminent women listed include Prime Minister Helen Clark, two former
Governors' General (Dame Cath Tizard and Dame Silvia Cartwright),
Margaret Wilson (former Attorney-General and now Speaker of the House
of Parliament), Ros Noonan (Human Rights Commissioner), and Marilyn
Waring (an academic known internationally for her study of unpaid work
and a former MP in a National government). To suggest that these women
were pursuing a hidden feminist agenda based on a "document"
written in the 1970s by a long defunct radical group is ludicrous.
After the column was published, there was a large number of letters of
complaint to the editor of the New Zealand Herald, including one from
Dame Cath Tizard, noting that neither she nor Helen Clark were active
in the 1970s feminist movement and that the story was a load of
"paranoid codswallop". Kay Goodger made an official complaint to
the Herald and they published a full retraction and apology for the
inaccurate and defamatory statements relating to her. Here is the
text:
Retraction and apology
02.06.05
This statement is in relation to an article by Sandra Paterson entitled
"Feminist Agenda Reaches Fruition", which ran in the 14 May 2005
edition of the Herald.
The Herald accepts that Kay Goodger was not the author of the words
attributed to her in the article which came from a Socialist Action
League submission to a select committee on women's rights in the 1970s
published in a booklet along with an introduction by Ms Goodger.
The Herald also accepts that Kay Goodger is employed as a Senior
Analyst in the research section of the Ministry of Social Development,
and that her position was misdescribed in the article as a senior
adviser in the Ministry.
The Herald accepts that the description of Ms Goodger as a senior
adviser carries with it an implication that she has been able to
influence government social policy through her employment. The Herald
regrets any implication in the article that Ms Goodger has been able to
use, or has used, her position in the public service to pursue the
goals attributed to her in the article.
The Herald unreservedly apologises to Kay Goodger and her family for
any distress caused by the inaccuracies in the article.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10328731
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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29 Sep 2005 09:47:26 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:48:43 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE.
Proabortionists like you have always stood for murdering
babies. That and sex with children.
women decide for themselves
If they had the ability to do that, then they wouldn't have
put themselves in that position.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 11:20:32 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:47:26 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE.
[Pro-Choicers] like you have always stood for murdering
babies. That and sex with children.
THANK you, PHONY-pastor and LYING Loon of the Year, for
this significant **contribution** to society's being able to see clearly
for themselves how utterly INSANE and IRRATIONAL so very many
of you hateful and mindless Anti-Choicers are.
One step closer to the inevitable, inexorable, and irrevocable,
BEAUTIFUL day when the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda is
consigned to join the last such bigoted and mindless agenda to
have infested America -- that of the segregationists... in extinction.
Then it's Good Riddance to **very** putrid rubbish -- forever more.
And YOU will be able to commend yourself, if you ever outgrow
your irrational and sociopathic bigotry, for possibly having *contrib-
uted* to the hastening of the demise of that hatefulness.
...women decide for themselves
If they had the ability to do that, then they wouldn't have
put themselves in that position.
The DO have the ability to do that. And they ALWAYS will
have the ability to do that.
And their getting in that position is the equivalent of riding in a
car:
Automobile travel : accident :: Enjoying sex : unwanted pregnancy
Oh. Darn. I forgot. People who are IGNORANT enough to *be*
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings usually are too ignorant to comprehend
and interpret analogies. That's been observed in these groups OFTEN.
Suffice to say that people will NEVER give up driving and riding cars
just because accidents are possible. In which injuries, should they occur,
are almost always capable of being fully reversed by medicine.
And people will NEVER stop enjoying the world's greatest form of
recreation (sex) just because CURABLE unwanted pregnancies can
occur.
And most **especially** they won't give it up just to make selfish,
hateful, and mindless jerks like YOU happy,
(In fact, it would be nice if people engaged in sex MORE often
just to SPITE pathetic losers like you.)
(LOL!!!!!!)
"Hit the sheets for Dave, folks. Have an EXTRA go-'round for him!"
MOST people have a life. But *you* obviously don't have much
of one. You're just an ignorant tool and a sorry loser... PHONY pastor.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
--
RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
30 Sep 2005 12:49:24 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 04:20:32 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:47:26 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE.
[Pro-Choicers] like you have always stood for murdering
babies. That and sex with children.
THANK you, PHONY-pastor and LYING Loon of the Year,
Sure. Might I remind you that you are calling me a liar,
while the links in my sig prove what I said?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
30 Sep 2005 03:54:41 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:47:26 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE.
[Pro-Choicers] like you have always stood for murdering
babies. That and sex with children.
THANK you, PHONY-pastor and LYING Loon of the Year, for
this significant **contribution** to society's being able to see clearly
for themselves how utterly INSANE and IRRATIONAL so very many
of you hateful and mindless Anti-Choicers are.
One step closer to the inevitable, inexorable, and irrevocable,
BEAUTIFUL day when the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda is
consigned to join the last such bigoted and mindless agenda to
have infested America -- that of the segregationists... in extinction.
Then it's Good Riddance to **very** putrid rubbish -- forever more.
And YOU will be able to commend yourself, if you ever outgrow
your irrational and sociopathic bigotry, for possibly having *contrib-
uted* to the hastening of the demise of that hatefulness.
...women decide for themselves
If they had the ability to do that, then they wouldn't have
put themselves in that position.
The DO have the ability to do that. And they ALWAYS will
have the ability to do that.
And their getting in that position is the equivalent of riding in a
car:
Automobile travel : accident :: Enjoying sex : unwanted pregnancy
Oh. Darn. I forgot. People who are IGNORANT enough to *be*
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings usually are too ignorant to comprehend
and interpret analogies. That's been observed in these groups OFTEN.
Suffice to say that people will NEVER give up driving and riding cars
just because accidents are possible. In which injuries, should they occur,
are almost always capable of being fully reversed by medicine.
And people will NEVER stop enjoying the world's greatest form of
recreation (sex) just because CURABLE unwanted pregnancies can
occur.
And most **especially** they won't give it up just to make selfish,
hateful, and mindless jerks like YOU happy,
(In fact, it would be nice if people engaged in sex MORE often
just to SPITE pathetic losers like you.)
(LOL!!!!!!)
"Hit the sheets for Dave, folks. Have an EXTRA go-'round for him!"
MOST people have a life. But *you* obviously don't have much
of one. You're just an ignorant tool and a sorry loser... PHONY pastor.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
--
RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
30 Sep 2005 03:59:42 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:54:41 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
Hey Craig, do you like the links in my sig?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
01 Oct 2005 11:01:49 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:47:26 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
ROTFL!!!!! Pro-Choicers have **always** stood for freedom
of CHOICE.
[Pro-Choicers] like you have always stood for murdering
babies. That and sex with children.
THANK you, PHONY-pastor and LYING Loon of the Year, for
this significant **contribution** to society's being able to see clearly
for themselves how utterly INSANE and IRRATIONAL so very many
of you hateful and mindless Anti-Choicers are.
One step closer to the inevitable, inexorable, and irrevocable,
BEAUTIFUL day when the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda is
consigned to join the last such bigoted and mindless agenda to
have infested America -- that of the segregationists... in extinction.
Then it's Good Riddance to **very** putrid rubbish -- forever more.
And YOU will be able to commend yourself, if you ever outgrow
your irrational and sociopathic bigotry, for possibly having *contrib-
uted* to the hastening of the demise of that hatefulness.
...women decide for themselves
If they had the ability to do that, then they wouldn't have
put themselves in that position.
The DO have the ability to do that. And they ALWAYS will
have the ability to do that.
And their getting in that position is the equivalent of riding in a
car:
Automobile travel : accident :: Enjoying sex : unwanted pregnancy
Oh. Darn. I forgot. People who are IGNORANT enough to *be*
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings usually are too ignorant to comprehend
and interpret analogies. That's been observed in these groups OFTEN.
Suffice to say that people will NEVER give up driving and riding cars
just because accidents are possible. In which injuries, should they occur,
are almost always capable of being fully reversed by medicine.
And people will NEVER stop enjoying the world's greatest form of
recreation (sex) just because CURABLE unwanted pregnancies can
occur.
And most **especially** they won't give it up just to make selfish,
hateful, and mindless jerks like YOU happy,
(In fact, it would be nice if people engaged in sex MORE often
just to SPITE pathetic losers like you.)
(LOL!!!!!!)
"Hit the sheets for Dave, folks. Have an EXTRA go-'round for him!"
MOST people have a life. But *you* obviously don't have much
of one. You're just an ignorant tool and a sorry loser... PHONY pastor.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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| User: "Jani" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
01 Oct 2005 03:47:20 PM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:bfctj1ldv2b8tka0b4jd7rlp3m9ieeqjpp@4ax.com...
[]
Suffice to say that people will NEVER give up driving and riding cars
just because accidents are possible. In which injuries, should they
occur,
are almost always capable of being fully reversed by medicine.
And people will NEVER stop enjoying the world's greatest form of
recreation (sex) just because CURABLE unwanted pregnancies can
occur.
And it would be nice if all this energy was directed into (a) finding safe,
reliable, accessible methods of contraception (b) facilitating elective
sterilisation instead of opposing it and (c) encouraging prompt pregnancy
testing and early first-trimester abortions if (a) happens to fail.
Yeah, I'm an idealist ..
Jani
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: CRAIG: LET'S UNITE AND PRAY FOR HIM ON OCT 3RD !!! |
01 Oct 2005 12:33:03 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:01:49 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
One step closer to the inevitable, inexorable, and irrevocable,
BEAUTIFUL day when the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda is
consigned to join the last such bigoted and mindless agenda to
have infested America -- that of the segregationists... in extinction.
Then it's Good Riddance to **very** putrid rubbish -- forever more.
That's what they've been saying about Christianity for how many
years, Craig? This message is leading to a point. But first we
must show that you are genuinely in need of repentance.
What you are one step closer to, is your death. You see, one day
Craig, you will die. It could be tomorrow. And you will have to
explain to Jesus why He needs to change, to suit your vile sins.
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
- Matthew 12:36
You can start with these, Craig...
"There's nothing "perverted" about ANY male of ANY age enjoying
the sight of a cute & sexily scantily-clad (or nude, for that
matter; there are lots of perfectly legal nude beaches around
the world) girl or woman of ANY age beyond puberty."
You said that Craig. But what did Jesus say?
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman
to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already
in his heart." - Matthew 5:28
According to Jesus, you are in sin.
In fact Craig, I'm even going to apologize to you, for sinking to
your level. I know that sounds like an insult, but you certainly
can't deny and have admitted to changing my words in my posts
and you have insulted me and falsely accused me of many things,
many times. But that's okay. I forgive you and I should have
handled the situation better, so for that, I apologize to you.
I will try to do better by you in the future.
And I am going to pray for you Craig. I will. And I will pray
that God will forgive you and save you. Only He knows if He
has elected you to His grace and if He has, you won't be able
to resist His call.
You have now become my mission and I invite others to join in.
Why don't we all make October 3rd the day to call every Christian
in these news groups to prayer for Craig?
Can I get an Amen and some Christians to commit to this?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
"All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected,
thoroughly furnished to every good work." 2 Tim 3:16-17
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: CRAIG: LET'S UNITE AND PRAY FOR HIM ON OCT 3RD !!! |
01 Oct 2005 02:02:35 PM |
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Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton
One step closer to the inevitable, inexorable, and irrevocable,
BEAUTIFUL day when the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda is
consigned to join the last such bigoted and mindless agenda to
have infested America -- that of the segregationists... in extinction.
Then it's Good Riddance to **very** putrid rubbish -- forever more.
That's what they've been saying about Christianity for how many
years, Craig? This message is leading to a point. But first we
must show that you are genuinely in need of repentance.
Look to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sgt. America" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 06:42:56 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is easy.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 07:54:54 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:42:56 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
No. It is MP4 and there are players that will play it.
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is easy.
I'm not going to try to convert it. But if you want
it, you can do the following, since I found it here...
http://shoutlast.com/PPGG.mp4
You will also need a player that does MP4 format.
http://tinyurl.com/dwvxx
Make sure to associate it with MP4's during the
install.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
Isaiah 5:20-21
20) Woe unto them that call evil good,
and good evil; that put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; that put bitter
for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21) Woe unto them that are wise in their
own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
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| User: "Sgt. America" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 09:20:45 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:42:56 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
No. It is MP4 and there are players that will play it.
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is easy.
I'm not going to try to convert it. But if you want
it, you can do the following, since I found it here...
http://shoutlast.com/PPGG.mp4
Ok, thanks. I'd just assumed you had it on video tape.
You will also need a player that does MP4 format.
http://tinyurl.com/dwvxx
Make sure to associate it with MP4's during the
install.
Thanks again. (I think...)
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| User: "Sgt. America" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 09:36:17 PM |
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"Sgt. America" wrote:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:42:56 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
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