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Science > Abortion |
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"Pastor Dave" |
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27 Sep 2005 11:57:07 AM |
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ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
And while they claim that I am running away and that
they have already answered these questions, the reality
is that they are the ones who keep trying to change the
subject, attacking me and I have even bagged them later
saying that I don't deserve answers, which means that all
of the times that they claimed that they already answered
them, they lied.
The abortionists are afraid of these questions regarding
partial birth abortion and it shows. They haven't even had
their facts straight, equating D&X to partial birth abortion
and trying to claim that the bill (later in message) was
rejected, when in reality, it was a different bill than the
one I'm quoting (further down) and it was only set aside,
because it didn't leave an option for saving the mother's
life if necessary.
Craig calls it "self defense", even though less than 2%
of all abortions are done for medical reasons, according
to the women themselves.
So let's look and see what Craig and his foolish cronies are
running away from. And please check the links in my sig. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
09 Oct 2005 09:33:39 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:58:33 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:36:17 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
Thanks again. (I think...)
...because I'm not sure if I really want to see it.
I assume you'd agree to this being disseminated across the internet, since you
just posted the link. I can certainly help with this too once I have a copy...
Well, it isn't my link. I just ran across it, but I
can't see where they'd have a problem with it.
It wsan't quite what I thought. I missed the babies-as-fuel....
When she lands, she needs "bio-fuel". Think about it.
Give me your email and I'll send you a text file
I wrote that will help you pick up on some things
in it.
Sorry not to Usenet.
Email me then, if ya want. Just remove all of the
instances of the # 1 and the dashes in the address you
see at the top, when you respond to my messages.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"If you will not believe,
Surely you will not be established."
- Isaiah 7:9b
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 09:34:18 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:20:45 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
No. It is MP4 and there are players that will play it.
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is easy.
I'm not going to try to convert it. But if you want
it, you can do the following, since I found it here...
http://shoutlast.com/PPGG.mp4
Ok, thanks. I'd just assumed you had it on video tape.
Okay, that explains that. :)
You will also need a player that does MP4 format.
http://tinyurl.com/dwvxx
Make sure to associate it with MP4's during the
install.
Thanks again. (I think...)
It works. Are you able to get both? Or are you
on dialup?
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
Isaiah 5:20-21
20) Woe unto them that call evil good,
and good evil; that put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; that put bitter
for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21) Woe unto them that are wise in their
own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
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| User: "Sgt. America" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
08 Oct 2005 09:52:07 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:20:45 +1300, "Sgt. America"
<213@213.31> spake thusly:
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
No. It is MP4 and there are players that will play it.
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is easy.
I'm not going to try to convert it. But if you want
it, you can do the following, since I found it here...
http://shoutlast.com/PPGG.mp4
Ok, thanks. I'd just assumed you had it on video tape.
Okay, that explains that. :)
You will also need a player that does MP4 format.
http://tinyurl.com/dwvxx
Make sure to associate it with MP4's during the
install.
Thanks again. (I think...)
It works. Are you able to get both? Or are you
on dialup?
I got it. It plays with Quicktime software.
cheers
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
09 Oct 2005 03:18:07 PM |
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Why don't you wackos quit trying to dictate what women can do with their own
bodies. It's the women's decision not your or the government.
Decades ago, when abortion was illegal, thousands of women died being
aborted by quacks and millions of children were poorly raised by mothers
that did not want them.
Let's not turn back the clock to the dark ages.
"Sgt. America" <213@213.31> wrote in message
news:43485980.F7CCE39D@213.31...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for
converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the
video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is
easy.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
09 Oct 2005 07:17:47 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:dUe2f.5721$Lp.1574@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
Why don't you wackos quit trying to dictate what women can do with
their own bodies. It's the women's decision not your or the
government.
Decades ago, when abortion was illegal, thousands of women died being
aborted by quacks and millions of children were poorly raised by
mothers that did not want them.
Let's not turn back the clock to the dark ages.
you are clearly contesting the gop grand plan.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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09 Oct 2005 03:21:29 PM |
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You commit incest and film it?
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:dUe2f.5721$Lp.1574@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
Why don't you wackos quit trying to dictate what women can do with their
own bodies. It's the women's decision not your or the government.
Decades ago, when abortion was illegal, thousands of women died being
aborted by quacks and millions of children were poorly raised by mothers
that did not want them.
Let's not turn back the clock to the dark ages.
"Sgt. America" <213@213.31> wrote in message
news:43485980.F7CCE39D@213.31...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:39 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:
I am old enough to remember the start of this and it was the
pro-abortionists who walked around with the signs that said:
"PRO-ABORTION"
..in huge letters.
You are wrong. They simply tried to rename their movement,
when it was openly displayed in graphic detail what they
stood for. They even used to call us what we are.
"Pro-Life". Once they were bagged with their signs, they
now try to call us, "Anti-Choice", figuring it will make us
look bad, because after all, who wants to be an "anti"?
The reality is, they defend only one "choice". Abortion.
You never see a pro-abortionist rallying for women to
GIVE BIRTH and you never see Planned Parenthood,
for example, counseling women to have the baby. This
is a simple fact that has been exposed repeatedly. They
were finally forced to mention keeping the baby and now
only do so because they have to and do so, as if it is the
worse thing in the world a woman could choose to do.
You can deny this all you want, but it is the truth. Then
they complain that Pro-Lifers aren't "fair".
Btw, if anyone wants it, I have a video from Planned
Parenthood that they shelved and tried to bury (it was
distributed though, by someone who worked there and quit,
if memory serves), after it was publicly found out that they
were going to show it. It is a gross cartoon video, that
reflects aborted babies as fuel for this "cartoon heros"
fuel pack and promotes sex among young children, etc..
I would be glad to pass it on to anyone who wants it.
I'd really like to have this. Is there any way for you to convert it to
digital form (MPEG) and then upload it somewhere?
Btw, there are places you can pay to do this. They're popular for
converting
people's home videos etc. They would produce a CDR or even DVD with the
video
on it. If you could mail a CDR to me that would fine.
I don't want to be any trouble. If you have the right equipment it is
easy.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
09 Oct 2005 05:47:26 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
You commit incest and film it?
I sincerely hope you are taken away to whatever passes for South Carolina's
state mental facility. Your neighbors deserve to be safe in their homes.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 3. Houston 2 (October 8)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 14 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ANTI-ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
27 Sep 2005 10:25:03 PM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
"Dave" is an anti-abortion liar. Nothing he claims can be assumed to
be true.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: ANTI-ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:23:15 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ee$ipc$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
"Dave" is an anti-abortion liar.
Hey, don't sell the faux "Pastor" short.
He's an accomplished forger, as well.
Nothing he claims can be assumed to be true.
He does seem to have a major problem with bearing false witness.
How...not surprising.
LC~ Internet evangelist = unemployed loser.
"Hands that help are far better than lips that pray."~ Robert J. Ingersoll
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
27 Sep 2005 08:28:23 PM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> writes:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "Happy One" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
27 Sep 2005 10:29:32 PM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> writes:
Interestingly enough, using Google group search, you
find Pastor Dave in an early life. He sometimes posted
as <pcdude@optonline.net>
Apparently Dave was a computer weenie.
Interestingly, it seems as though the same cast of
characters has argued with Pastor Dave for at least 5
years. And posts from 2000 look just like posts now.
As the posters didn't just killfile Dave early on, but
kept on arguing and name calling (for 5 years), it
says something very uncomplimentary about those folk
and their needs.
Look at this, one the first relevant posts.
"Dave Raymond Sep 27 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.christnet
From: Dave Raymond <d...@mindspring.com> - Find
Date: 1998/09/27
Subject: Titles
Hi,
I have just a general question and was hoping to get
some feedback. It relates to titles of christian
clergy. For example, "Reverend".
Is it proper to give someone a title, which simply
means that they're someone to be "revered"? What
about "Minister"? After all, that's what Jesus told
the twelve to do. But saying "Minister John Doe" just
doesn't sound right. :) "Reverend John Doe" seems to
flow better, probably because we're used to it. But
I've never heard anyone who is a minister, actually
called, "Minister John Doe", etc..
I'm curious, because I will be ordained soon and will
have the legal right to use the title of my choice.
So I was wondering if anyone knew, for example, when
and how "Reverend", "Pastor", etc., came to be
officially used and why.
Thanks in advance for your input,
Dave "
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 03:01:51 AM |
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On 27 Sep 2005 20:28:23 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> writes:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
1) You are obviously not too bright. I said, "Christian
news groups".
2) Prove your claim.
3) Never mind. We know you can't understand what I just
wrote anyway.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:37:19 AM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
The Chief Instigator
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
[...]
2) Prove your claim.
Christians don't preach hatred and lies. You do. Therefore you are
no Christian.
Q.E.D.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 05:12:33 PM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> writes:
On 27 Sep 2005 20:28:23 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> writes:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
1) You are obviously not too bright. I said, "Christian
news groups".
You're definitely none too bright, as you crosspost your crap into two
abortion newsgroups, where I'm reading your mental problems.
2) Prove your claim.
You're a liar and a hypocrite.
3) Never mind. We know you can't understand what I just
wrote anyway.
No one cares what the voices in what's left of your head tell you. Take a
bungee jump off the Frankland.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: CHIEF INSTIGATOR PROVES HE IS "NONE TOO BRIGHT" |
28 Sep 2005 08:50:07 PM |
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On 28 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com> spake thusly:
The abortionists have been subscribing
to Christian news groups (note that they
are the only groups listed in some of their
posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
1) You are obviously not too bright. I said,
"Christian news groups".
You're definitely none too bright, as you crosspost
your crap into two abortion newsgroups, where I'm
reading your mental problems.
The reference was to those, like Craig, who
have SUBSCRIBED to Christian news groups
and have admitted to doing it.
It seems that you couldn't figure that out, even
after it was explained AGAIN.
You were saying something about, "none too bright"?
2) Prove your claim.
You're a liar and a hypocrite.
Thank you for once again proving your mental
limitations. It seems that all but atheists,
evolutionists and proabortion freaks know
the difference between an accusation and
proof of said accusation being true.
3) Never mind. We know you can't understand
what I just wrote anyway.
No one cares what the voices in what's left
of your head tell you. Take a bungee jump
off the Frankland.
I will assume that you are referring to my general location.
That would be, "Franklin", not "Frankland", dimwit!
<chuckle>
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Daedalus " |
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| Title: Re: CHIEF INSTIGATOR PROVES HE IS "NONE TOO BRIGHT" |
29 Sep 2005 02:11:00 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:50:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com>, wrote:
On 28 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com> spake thusly:
The abortionists have been subscribing
to Christian news groups (note that they
are the only groups listed in some of their
posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
You're no "Christian", fraud Raymond.
1) You are obviously not too bright. I said,
"Christian news groups".
You're definitely none too bright, as you crosspost
your crap into two abortion newsgroups, where I'm
reading your mental problems.
The reference was to those, like Craig, who
have SUBSCRIBED to Christian news groups
and have admitted to doing it.
It seems that you couldn't figure that out, even
after it was explained AGAIN.
You were saying something about, "none too bright"?
2) Prove your claim.
You're a liar and a hypocrite.
Thank you for once again proving your mental
limitations. It seems that all but atheists,
evolutionists and proabortion freaks know
the difference between an accusation and
proof of said accusation being true.
3) Never mind. We know you can't understand
what I just wrote anyway.
No one cares what the voices in what's left
of your head tell you. Take a bungee jump
off the Frankland.
I will assume that you are referring to my general location.
That would be, "Franklin", not "Frankland", dimwit!
<chuckle>
Really? I wold have pegged you for a resident of weenieland for sure.
A public office holder, even.
Jade
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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01 Oct 2005 02:07:22 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
He/she is the same relative they're killing.
Look around... kids, adults, babies... that's who they are.
They're killing their relatives.
Their sons, their daughters... their own relatives, and
future relatives.
It takes a "special" kind of person to kill your relatives.
Just ask Cain...
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN to kill their relatives! |
01 Oct 2005 04:42:04 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:07:22 GMT, "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> spake thusly:
It takes a "special" kind of person to kill your relatives.
Yes. Caligula and Nero were two of them. Now we know who
their models and heroes were. :)
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
"All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected,
thoroughly furnished to every good work." 2 Tim 3:16-17
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 05:44:48 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
And while they claim that I am running away and that
they have already answered these questions, the reality
is that they are the ones who keep trying to change the
subject, attacking me and I have even bagged them later
saying that I don't deserve answers, which means that all
of the times that they claimed that they already answered
them, they lied.
The abortionists are afraid of these questions regarding
partial birth abortion and it shows. They haven't even had
their facts straight, equating D&X to partial birth abortion
and trying to claim that the bill (later in message) was
rejected, when in reality, it was a different bill than the
one I'm quoting (further down) and it was only set aside,
because it didn't leave an option for saving the mother's
life if necessary.
Craig calls it "self defense", even though less than 2%
of all abortions are done for medical reasons, according
to the women themselves.
So let's look and see what Craig and his foolish cronies are
running away from. And please check the links in my sig. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
"Baby", for starters...
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
For starters, because it's still in the body of the woman.
Next, if the woman is requiring a D&X, it's because there is a fetal
abnormality that would kill it and maim her.
Otherwise, a C-section is used.
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
Repetitive.
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
I can explain it to you if you really want to know. Let's see if you do
first.
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
Blatant emotionalism.
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:12:53 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:44:48 -0700, --sexkitten--
<ladyhawk_twoFILTER@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
And while they claim that I am running away and that
they have already answered these questions, the reality
is that they are the ones who keep trying to change the
subject, attacking me and I have even bagged them later
saying that I don't deserve answers, which means that all
of the times that they claimed that they already answered
them, they lied.
The abortionists are afraid of these questions regarding
partial birth abortion and it shows. They haven't even had
their facts straight, equating D&X to partial birth abortion
and trying to claim that the bill (later in message) was
rejected, when in reality, it was a different bill than the
one I'm quoting (further down) and it was only set aside,
because it didn't leave an option for saving the mother's
life if necessary.
Craig calls it "self defense", even though less than 2%
of all abortions are done for medical reasons, according
to the women themselves.
So let's look and see what Craig and his foolish cronies are
running away from. And please check the links in my sig. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
"Baby", for starters...
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
For starters, because it's still in the body of the woman.
Next, if the woman is requiring a D&X, it's because there is a fetal
abnormality that would kill it and maim her.
Otherwise, a C-section is used.
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
Repetitive.
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
I can explain it to you if you really want to know. Let's see if you do
first.
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
Blatant emotionalism.
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
To all: Check the links in my sig! :)
Anyway, back to the point. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:18:12 AM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:13:38 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
<snip>
I didn't think so. You didn't actually want an answer, did you?
Troll.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:27:11 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:38 -0700, --sexkitten--
<ladyhawk_twoFILTER@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
<snip>
I didn't think so. You didn't actually want an answer, did you?
Troll.
To all: Check the links in my sig! :)
Anyway, back to the point. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:18:24 AM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:29:02 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
"Partial Birth Abortion" (D&X): The Answers Dave Keeps Dodging
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
"Baby", for starters...
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
For starters, because it's still in the body of the woman.
Next, if the woman is requiring a D&X, it's because there is a fetal
abnormality that would kill it and maim her.
Otherwise, a C-section is used.
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
Repetitive.
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
I can explain it to you if you really want to know. Let's see if you do
first.
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
Blatant emotionalism.
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 08:36:59 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:29:02 -0700, --sexkitten--
<ladyhawk_twoFILTER@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
"Partial Birth Abortion" (D&X): The Answers Dave Keeps Dodging
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
"Baby", for starters...
Wrong. That ignores my later question and proof.
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
For starters, because it's still in the body of the woman.
Next, if the woman is requiring a D&X, it's because there is a fetal
abnormality that would kill it and maim her.
Otherwise, a C-section is used.
Partial birth abortion is under discussion here
and you already knew that.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
Repetitive.
Not answered.
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
I can explain it to you if you really want to know. Let's see if you do
first.
You are dodging the questions.
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
Blatant emotionalism.
Fact, as I proved.
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
I didn't think you were capable. Here they are again.
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
28 Sep 2005 10:18:38 AM |
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PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
<moronic swill flushed>
...abortion...
... is an action of SELF-DEFENSE on the part of a woman
who has found herself faced with an unwanted (and totally
unnecessary and curable) medical condition which -- if allowed
to run its course, has the potential to RUIN her well-being, both
short-term and long-term... DISRUPT her current and long-term
plans, and DESTROY countless of her future opportunities.
By accessing this harmless remedy, she is able to immediately
and completely UNDO that potentially horrendous disruption to
her life and well-being, and put her life BACK on track, as though
the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened in the first place.
And in the process, immediately RESTORE her full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels
And interestingly, the vast majority of women who access this
remedy go on to HAVE children later, when the timing is far
better... thus enabling her to INSTEAD bear a child into a far
better environment, and which she is more likely to love.
There is NO good reason to DENY **any** girl or woman
who desires it ready and unfettered access to this hugely-
beneficial and life-restoring remedy.
(And, PHONY-pastor, if you delete ONE WORD of the above
in any response post, that is your right. Just as it will be MY right
to immediately RESTORE it, intact, in *my* response to that.)
The above -- and the SIG of this post -- serve as a total
INDICTMENT of every hateful, bigoted, doltish and ignorant
Anti-Choicer in existence.
-- Craig Chilton
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GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present and
future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with any
person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclusive)
would be born, and which ones would NOT, for whatever
reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at least,
the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg stage -- the
stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And missed
the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability of
it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others), than
it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term against
their will, and see many of their opportunities and their well-being
destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO was/is well-aware that
MOST women who DO obtain abortions go on later to HAVE
children, by choice, when the timing is better, and the circum-
stances and prospects for long-term stable family environments
are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
27 Sep 2005 01:51:16 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
I don't know any "abortionists" on talk.abortion. And we aren't
harassing Christians. We are harassing YOU.
BIG difference!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
27 Sep 2005 07:32:50 PM |
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On 27 Sep 2005 11:51:16 -0700, "spartakus@my-deja.com"
<spartakus@my-deja.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
I don't know any "abortionists" on talk.abortion.
Sure ya do. You performed an abortion on your mind.
Check the links in my sig. :)
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
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| User: "Miss Anne Thrope" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN! |
29 Sep 2005 09:51:06 AM |
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Relax Dave.........you couldn't have an abortion even if you wanted to.
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