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User:	"Pastor Dave"
Date:	27 Sep 2005 11:57:07 AM
Object:	ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!

Hi,
The abortionists have been subscribing to Christian news
groups (note that they are the only groups listed in some
of their posts), for the purpose of harassing Christians.
And while they claim that I am running away and that
they have already answered these questions, the reality
is that they are the ones who keep trying to change the
subject, attacking me and I have even bagged them later
saying that I don't deserve answers, which means that all
of the times that they claimed that they already answered
them, they lied.
The abortionists are afraid of these questions regarding
partial birth abortion and it shows. They haven't even had
their facts straight, equating D&X to partial birth abortion
and trying to claim that the bill (later in message) was
rejected, when in reality, it was a different bill than the
one I'm quoting (further down) and it was only set aside,
because it didn't leave an option for saving the mother's
life if necessary.
Craig calls it "self defense", even though less than 2%
of all abortions are done for medical reasons, according
to the women themselves.
So let's look and see what Craig and his foolish cronies are
running away from. And please check the links in my sig. :)
Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.

User: ""
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	27 Sep 2005 01:58:20 PM

"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aduij1t5jdtol5o5nasjt4b98g213dojb8@4ax.com...
Seldom that you and I agree about much of anything, Dave, but in this case,
I
believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.
The numbers I have seen in the past indicate that most abortions, of all
types, are
done for convenience and not for medical reasons.
These laws connect some very critical areas, I believe. The law cannot
satisfy
every religious perspective, but in some cases the principles of law and the
principles of religion are compatible. In others, perhaps they are not.
While I believe that euthanasia should be permitted when the patient so
decides
for himself, abortion is a totally different and serious subject.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	27 Sep 2005 10:54:18 PM

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

That's because you're stupid. You believe in evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

The numbers I have seen in the past indicate that most abortions, of all
types, are
done for convenience and not for medical reasons.

Women aren't your slaves and you don't get to force them to do as you want.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	27 Sep 2005 10:26:07 PM

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

The numbers I have seen in the past indicate that most abortions, of all
types, are
done for convenience and not for medical reasons.

Tought *****. Women aren't your slaves and you don't get to force them
to do as you want.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: ""
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 07:41:27 AM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point, deliberately
killing a living human organism is murder. In other cases it may be
manslaughter.
It may not be punishable when it is done for 'self defense'.
If you kill an ailing old person who cannot survive off life support, it is
murder.
Yet we allow rather broad discretion when killing a human organism at any
stage when it is in it's mother's body. When the organism is being born, as
in
late term partial birth abortions, the organism (which I can now call a
'baby')
should start to assume the protected stature of an adult human. I will
stipulate
that to save a mother's life, that is a legitimate defense.
When it is done ONLY to rid the mother of the onus of a living baby, and
when
the baby is partially born and fully viable otherwise, I believe this is
tantamount
to murder.

The numbers I have seen in the past indicate that most abortions, of all
types, are
done for convenience and not for medical reasons.

Tought *****. Women aren't your slaves and you don't get to force them
to do as you want.

**************Slave??? Hardly.
Guilty murderers have less of a chance of being executed than viable babies
have
of being exterminated. Figures from a few years ago showed that only about
2%
of murderers are actually ever charged for that crime and tried in a court
of law.
Of that, much fewer are convicted, and fewer still are given the death
penalty.
Of the ones who are condemned, they may stay on death row for years, and
are often given commutations to life sentences.
Over two million potential children are being put to death each year in the
USA
because they are unwanted and inconvenient.

Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 10:36:01 AM

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people.

And yet here you are, eager to accuse people of callous murder.

At some point, deliberately
killing a living human organism is murder.

After birth.

Yet we allow rather broad discretion when killing a human organism at any
stage when it is in it's mother's body.

There's the great anti-abortion lie: Abortion is supposed to be about
killing.
It isn't.
It is the fundamental right all people have to decide how their bodies
will be used and to defend themselevs from harm.

When the organism is being born, as
in
late term partial birth abortions,

There is no such thing as a "late term partial birth abortion". It is
pure propaganda. An evil anti-abortion lie.
You should ask yourself why you are so eager to believe in such a lie.

The numbers I have seen in the past indicate that most abortions, of all
types, are
done for convenience and not for medical reasons.

Tought *****. Women aren't your slaves and you don't get to force them
to do as you want.

**************Slave??? Hardly.

What do you call it when one person is forced to serve the needs of
another?

Guilty murderers have less of a chance of being executed than viable babies
have
of being exterminated.

More lies.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Louise "
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 08:42:26 AM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point, deliberately
killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human organism"
because you want to live.
Feel better?
.

User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 08:45:34 AM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point, deliberately
killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human organism"
because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion: The questions you keep dodging.
Even you would agree that once the baby is coming out,
that it's a baby. Thus, there are five questions posed...
1) What in the following words is not true?
2) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case of
pulling the baby's out head first, the head is out and the
baby is still wholly intact, why do you still claim it's not
murder? How is it self defense?
3) Since all but the babies head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can it be self defense?
4) Since all but the baby's head is out, or, in the case
of pulling the babies head out first, the head is out and
the baby is wholly intact, how can a partial birth abortion
be for medical reasons that would threaten a woman's
life if she tried to deliver? How is it self defense?
5) And why does the Bill call it a baby and equate "fetus"
and "baby" to the same person, if it is not murder?
They take the baby out, all but it's head and then
claim it isn't born and ram a sharp object into its
skull and drain the brain out and then claim not
to be murdering a baby.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965)
"the person performing the abortion deliberately and
intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until,
in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire
fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in
the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal
trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,
and then kills the baby."
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.

User: "Louise "
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 08:58:23 AM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales as an
excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point, deliberately
killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human organism"
because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.
<clip>
.

User: "Jude Alexander"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 09:46:57 AM

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation and
Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban on
this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in its
entirety by clicking on:
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm
Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The Senate
voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the bill
into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has declared
that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across the
nation. Many judges have struck down the ban.
History
1995 Federal Bill Banning Partial Birth Abortion: This bill, if
passed, would have illegalized partial birth abortion and set a
sentence of a fine and/or 2 years in prison for people who broke this
law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would have
been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of the
woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by Congress.
President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.
The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very similar
to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.
State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial birth
abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA, MI,
MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.
http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth
..htm

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 09:54:00 AM

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
news:s%x_e.11578$eB3.6644@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation and
Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban on
this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in its
entirety by clicking on:
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm
Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The Senate
voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the bill
into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has declared
that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across the
nation. Many judges have struck down the ban.
History
1995 Federal Bill Banning Partial Birth Abortion: This bill, if
passed, would have illegalized partial birth abortion and set a
sentence of a fine and/or 2 years in prison for people who broke this
law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would have
been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of the
woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by Congress.
President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very similar
to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial birth
abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA, MI,
MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth
.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?
I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should be put in
place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary to save a
woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives available.

User: "Jude Alexander"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 10:19:27 AM

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
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<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across

the

nation. Many judges have struck down the ban.
History
1995 Federal Bill Banning Partial Birth Abortion: This bill, if
passed, would have illegalized partial birth abortion and set a
sentence of a fine and/or 2 years in prison for people who broke

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should be

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary to

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.
We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all ways
possible to define that word.
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 10:22:43 AM

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
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<Louise> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across

the

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should be

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary to

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all ways
possible to define that word.

I just don't understand how people can turn their heads. After reading
several articles on the procedure and viewing the diagrams, my stomach
turned. How did we become such a sadistic and barbaric culture?
.

User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 12:30:13 PM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:22:43 -0400, "osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> spake thusly:

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all ways
possible to define that word.

First, people started worshipping the creature, instead
of the Creator...
Romans 1:22-26a
22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23) And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their
own bodies between themselves:
25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped
and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed forever. Amen.
26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections...
Then, people turned to self worship and now people feel
that they are the most important person in the world, all
the while being hypocrites and saying that good people
place the needs of others before themselves, which they
don't do, as the number of abortions show. Only less
than 2% of abortions are done for medical reasons. Their
view of their own self importance is way out of whack, even
to the point of murdering their own children, to keep more
money in their pockets.
They are... "speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their
conscience seared with a hot iron;" - 1 Timothy 4:2
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Craig threatens me with a law suit:
http://Craig-threatens-PastorDave.notlong.com
I prove that Craig does indeed like young girls
and that it is not libel:
http://PastorDave-proves-his-case.notlong.com
Craig knowing he has been bagged, wooses out
of suing me:
http://Craig-wooses-out.notlong.com
.

User: ""
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	30 Sep 2005 03:51:21 AM

Jude Alexander wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
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<Louise> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across

the

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should be

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary to

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all ways
possible to define that word.

but according to "Ray Fischer" you hate women.
har har har har har
.

User: "Jude Alexander"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	30 Sep 2005 08:23:09 AM

<dsfjgh@dsfd.fg> wrote in message news:433CFC89.2A58C9C7@dsfd.fg...

Jude Alexander wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8qdnUvrxK6HM6feRVn-2w@comcast.com...

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
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<Louise> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living

human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact

Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a

ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the

act in

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a

vote of

281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on

across

the

nation. Many judges have struck down the ban.
History
1995 Federal Bill Banning Partial Birth Abortion: This bill,

passed, would have illegalized partial birth abortion and set

sentence of a fine and/or 2 years in prison for people who

broke

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion

would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the

life of

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban

partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS,

LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely

necessary to

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all

ways

possible to define that word.

but according to "Ray Fischer" you hate women.

har har har har har

Yeah, what a joke. I defend women more than I see most men do.
.

User: "Adam H."
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 10:46:29 AM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:19:27 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8qdnUvrxK6HM6feRVn-2w@comcast.com...

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
news:s%x_e.11578$eB3.6644@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act in

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote of
281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on across

the

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life of

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and Congress.
President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirth

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should be

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary to

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all ways
possible to define that word.

If you have to resort to an appeal to aversion then you could come up
with the same reason to ban almost any surgical procedure. When a
woman is unable to deliver a non-viable fetus vaginally, the two
alternatives are D&X and a hysterotomy. A hysterotomy is a far more
serious surgical procedure with far greater risks both during the
surgery and afterwards. Why do you think it's acceptable to put women
at a greater risk that will accomplish nothing?
.

User: "Jude Alexander"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 10:51:15 AM

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:pielj1d3rmkma88bnf9cbfofnftflahh3l@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:19:27 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8qdnUvrxK6HM6feRVn-2w@comcast.com...

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
news:s%x_e.11578$eB3.6644@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a

ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote

281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on

across

the

broke

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion

would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirt

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all

ways

possible to define that word.

If you have to resort to an appeal to aversion then you could come

with the same reason to ban almost any surgical procedure. When a
woman is unable to deliver a non-viable fetus vaginally, the two
alternatives are D&X and a hysterotomy.

Are you brain dead? The woman who has a "partial birth abortion" DOES
delivery ALL but the head of the fetus. What do you mean by
"non-biable fetus?" This proceure wasn't done because the woman
couldn't deliver a fetus vaginally. THAT is the most stupid thing I
have EVER heard in quite a long time.
A hysterotomy is a far more

serious surgical procedure with far greater risks both during the
surgery and afterwards. Why do you think it's acceptable to put

women

at a greater risk that will accomplish nothing?

There are risks in having a "partial birth abortion" done. Did you
know that? READ THE WHOLE BAN, you know, the one you said I only
read the first paragraph, why don't you. It lists the risks of the
procedure.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 09:19:08 PM

Jude Alexander <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message

Are you brain dead? The woman who has a "partial birth abortion" DOES
delivery ALL but the head of the fetus.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with birth, partial or otherwise.

A hysterotomy is a far more
serious surgical procedure with far greater risks both during the
surgery and afterwards. Why do you think it's acceptable to put

women

at a greater risk that will accomplish nothing?

There are risks in having a "partial birth abortion" done. Did you
know that?

Evasive.

READ THE WHOLE BAN,

Why?

It lists the risks of the
procedure.

Do you know how many women die from normal childbirth every year?
Do you know how much more risky slitting open a woman's belly for a
c-section is?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Adam H."
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 11:02:35 AM

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:51:15 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:pielj1d3rmkma88bnf9cbfofnftflahh3l@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:19:27 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8qdnUvrxK6HM6feRVn-2w@comcast.com...

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
news:s%x_e.11578$eB3.6644@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount to

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a

ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the act

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a vote

281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on

across

the

broke

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion

would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the life

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbirt

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions should

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely necessary

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all

ways

possible to define that word.

If you have to resort to an appeal to aversion then you could come

with the same reason to ban almost any surgical procedure. When a
woman is unable to deliver a non-viable fetus vaginally, the two
alternatives are D&X and a hysterotomy.

Yes, in fact, that is one of the uses for which the procedure was
designed. If you want to argue against D&X you'd be best to
familiarise yourself with it.

THAT is the most stupid thing I
have EVER heard in quite a long time.

Really? I guess you are unaware of hydrocephalus, which can cause the
head of the fetus to have a diameter of over 20 cm and makes normal
delivery impossible in such cases.

A hysterotomy is a far more

serious surgical procedure with far greater risks both during the
surgery and afterwards. Why do you think it's acceptable to put

women

at a greater risk that will accomplish nothing?

Do you read for content? ANY surgical procedure has risks, and I never
said D&X was any different. But the absolute fact remains that the
alternative of hysterotomy is far riskier and will not allow a
non-viable fetus to survive, so why do you think that increasing the
risk to the patient is acceptable?
.

User: "Jude Alexander"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 11:11:13 AM

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:s6flj1ddsns9q7ihiecj2bfne7m4qhqqhl@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:51:15 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:pielj1d3rmkma88bnf9cbfofnftflahh3l@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:19:27 -0500, "Jude Alexander"
<Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8qdnUvrxK6HM6feRVn-2w@comcast.com...

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in message
news:s%x_e.11578$eB3.6644@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

<Louise> wrote in message
news:q58lj1t3445nlj7rfpil86kdhdf1gnlq9b@4ax.com...

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:26 -0400, Louise <> spake

thusly:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:41:27 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dhd2ge$irq$1@bolt.sonic.net...

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

believe that partial birth abortions are tantamount

murder.

That's because you're stupid. You believe is evil

fairy

tales

as an

excuse to hate people.

******I am neither stupid nor hate people. At some

point,

deliberately

killing a living human organism is murder.

Your very existence "deliberately kills another living

human

organism"

because you want to live.

Feel better?

Partial Birth Abortion:

Doesn't exist.

Partial birth abortion is a common term for the Intact

Dilation

and

Extraction (D&X) abortion procedure. President Bush signed a

ban

this procedure into law in November, 2003. You can read the

act

its

entirety by clicking on:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/partialbirth/a/partialbirthact.htm

Current Status
The House voted overwhelmingly to ban the procedure with a

vote

281-142 (63 Democrats joined most Republicans in favor). The

Senate

voted 64 to 34 to ban the abortions. President Bush signed

the

bill

into a law on November 4th. Kate Michelman, head of NARAL

has

declared

that they will challenge the law, and trials are going on

across

the

nation. Many judges have struck down the ban.
History
1995 Federal Bill Banning Partial Birth Abortion: This bill,

passed, would have illegalized partial birth abortion and

set a

sentence of a fine and/or 2 years in prison for people who

broke

this

law. The exceptions for performing;a partial birth abortion

would

have

been in cases where the abortion was necessary to save the

life

the

woman who was having the procedure.
The House of Representatives passed the bill, followed by

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed the bill in 1996.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997: This bill was

very

similar

to the 1995 bill, and was also passed by the House and

Congress.

President Clinton vetoed this bell as well.

State Laws: Currently 23 states have passed laws to ban

partial

birth

abortion. These include AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS,

LA,

MI,

MS, MN, NE, NJ, OH, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, and VA.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/partialbirthabortion/i/ispartialbir

.htm

What's your opinion on the procedure?

I think the procedure is barbaric and STRICT restrictions

should

put in

place, it shouldn't be allowed, unless it is absolutely

necessary

save a

woman's life and there is absolutely no other alternatives

available.

We're in absolute agreement. The procedure is grotesque in all

ways

possible to define that word.

If you have to resort to an appeal to aversion then you could

come

with the same reason to ban almost any surgical procedure. When a
woman is unable to deliver a non-viable fetus vaginally, the two
alternatives are D&X and a hysterotomy.

Are you brain dead? The woman who has a "partial birth abortion"

DOES

delivery ALL but the head of the fetus. What do you mean by
"non-biable fetus?" This proceure wasn't done because the woman
couldn't deliver a fetus vaginally.

Yes, in fact, that is one of the uses for which the procedure was
designed. If you want to argue against D&X you'd be best to
familiarise yourself with it.

Blustering doesn't work with me.

THAT is the most stupid thing I
have EVER heard in quite a long time.

Really? I guess you are unaware of hydrocephalus, which can cause

the

head of the fetus to have a diameter of over 20 cm and makes normal
delivery impossible in such cases.

PROVE that the cases of "partial birth abortion," of D&X (if you
insist) have been performed SOLEY for the reason that the head could
not be brought through the birth canal! lol WHAT A LOAD! You're
dishonestly is so incredibly apparent.

A hysterotomy is a far more

serious surgical procedure with far greater risks both during the
surgery and afterwards. Why do you think it's acceptable to put

women at a greater risk that will accomplish nothing?

There are risks in having a "partial birth abortion" done. Did you
know that? READ THE WHOLE BAN, you know, the one you said I only
read the first paragraph, why don't you. It lists the risks of the
procedure.

Do you read for content? ANY surgical procedure has risks, and I

never

said D&X was any different. But the absolute fact remains that the
alternative of hysterotomy is far riskier and will not allow a
non-viable fetus to survive, so why do you think that increasing the
risk to the patient is acceptable?

You're backpedaling with the "any surgical procedure has risks."
You haven't told me what you're calling a "non-viable fetus." What IS
a non-viable fetus? An unwanted fetus? A fetus that will injure the
mother's health? A fetus found to be with some syndrome?
.

User: "BOB"
Title: Re: ABORTIONISTS ON THE RUN!	28 Sep 2005 11:20:42 AM

"Jude Alexander" <Jude@thebayou.LA> wrote in news:rez_e.11601$eB3.6284
@bignews3.bellsouth.net: