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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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24 Sep 2003 08:18:02 PM |
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ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
The Hard Line
Actually, Abortion is Already Illegal
By R. Cort Kirkwood
Agape Press
February 28, 2003
(AgapePress) - Finally, the pro-life movement triumphed
over legal despotism.
The U.S. Supreme Court declared that the Racketeering
Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, a federal law
used to fight organized crime, does not prohibit pro-life
protests at abortuaries.
Organized crime means the Mafia, not Operation Rescue,
but lower courts agreed with the pro-aborts that
demonstrators were "racketeers." It was utter legal
nonsense, of course, but so is 1973's Roe v. Wade
decision, which legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Women, the court's sophists opined, have a "right" to
murder the unborn.
Ever since then, pro-lifers have failed to overturn the
legal abomination in court, or by amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, or by urging presidents to appoint judicial
enemies of Roe to federal courts. Courts routinely strike
down laws restricting abortion.
Yet we don't need laws regulating abortion, and we don't
need a constitutional amendment. We don't need pro-life
justices.
Unenforced laws already forbid abortion.
State Laws
Real pro-lifers believe life begins at conception and
that abortion is first-degree murder; that is, the
premeditated killing of a human being. If abortion is
premeditated murder, then all 50 states already forbid
it, for every state in the union forbids murder.
Problem is, our courts have muddled the "legal
definition" of human life to permit abortion, which is
why they occur at a rate of some 3,000 per day.
Still, the question is why pro-lifers fight for laws,
such as those requiring parental consent, which are
intended to slow the killing. If they believe abortion is
first-degree murder, then parental consent laws merely
require a parent's permission for a minor to murder her
child.
Likewise for "informed-consent" laws, which require
doctors to explain a baby's gestational stage, and the
potential dangers to the mother, before an abortion. The
Supreme Court recently "approved" such a law in Indiana,
termed one of the "most restrictive in the nation."
In truth, the law "restricts" nothing; it does not
abolish abortion or stop just one abortion. If the pro-
lifers are right, that abortion is murder; the doctor is
simply explaining the danger of murdering the child.
The Federal Constitution On the other hand, pro-lifers
could hoist the liberals on their own legal petard. They
could argue the liberal (and wrong) interpretation of the
Constitution's 14th Amendment to end abortion.
Perhaps some pro-life lawyer has tried it, but in any
event many criminal defendants and civil plaintiffs have
won cases by arguing that life, liberty, and property
were taken without "due process," or that someone denied
them "equal protection" of the law. Liberals have used
the 14th to foist their unconstitutional agenda upon the
American people.
If human life beings at conception, a consistent
interpretation of the 14th would forbid abortion
everywhere. But again, why invoke it? If abortion is
murder, the 50 states prohibit it.
Defining Life
Pro-lifers must settle on a strategy to stop abortion,
but that strategy does not turn on the tactic of piling
new laws on top of existing laws.
Pro-lifers must press for enforcing those laws. But only
one thing would allow that, and only by undermining the
Roe decision: the state must define life as beginning at
conception. If a law is needed, that is it.
The clinics would close, debate would end, protests would
cease. Abortion would be recognized for what it is:
murder in the first degree.
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R. Cort Kirkwood is a syndicated columnist and managing
editor of the Daily News-Record in Harrisonburg,
Virginia. He can be contacted at kirkwood[AT]shentel[DOT]net
Source - http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/282003rck.asp
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Posted by Remedy
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End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Panchaang for 29 Bhadrapad 5104, Wednesday, September 24, 2003:
Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau
Kanya Mase Krishna Pakshe Buddh Vasara Yuktayam
Poorvaphalguni Nakshatr Shubh Yog
Vishti-Shakuni Karan Chaturdashi Yam Tithau
Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
24 Sep 2003 08:50:06 PM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:abortion-0924.20030924@news.mantra.com...
The Hard Line
Actually, Abortion is Already Illegal
No it isn't, Dumbfuck. And it happens every day.
<snippity-do-dah, snippity-de-ay,
Right through the ***** of Dr Jai>
State Laws
Real pro-lifers believe life begins at conception
No one gives a ***** what you idiots believe.
and
that abortion is first-degree murder; that is, the
premeditated killing of a human being.
These same idiots also believe in the Boogey Man, so this pathetic argument
has no merit. Not a good start.
Real pro-lifers believe life begins at conception and
that abortion is first-degree murder; that is, the
premeditated killing of a human being. If abortion is
premeditated murder, then all 50 states already forbid
it, for every state in the union forbids murder.
With the two combined, we have a textbook case of circular reasoning, or
assuming the conclusion.
You people suck at this argument game.
Problem is, our courts have muddled the "legal
definition" of human life to permit abortion, which is
why they occur at a rate of some 3,000 per day.
And will continue no matter how loud you whine.
Still, the question is why pro-lifers fight for laws,
such as those requiring parental consent, which are
intended to slow the killing. If they believe abortion is
first-degree murder, then parental consent laws merely
require a parent's permission for a minor to murder her
child.
You're still working under the false assumption that we give a ***** about
you "conception" opinion.
Likewise for "informed-consent" laws, which require
doctors to explain a baby's gestational stage, and the
potential dangers to the mother, before an abortion.
Doctor's already do this, just like they do before any other sergical
procedure. Only you delusional fucktards claim that it doesn't take place.
The
Supreme Court recently "approved" such a law in Indiana,
termed one of the "most restrictive in the nation."
Redundant redundancy. Nothing quite like a wholesale waste of tax money and
legislative time.
In truth, the law "restricts" nothing; it does not
abolish abortion or stop just one abortion.
Which is why it made through the Supreme Court. It was a toothless waste of
paper.
If the pro-
lifers are right, that abortion is murder;
But they're not right. In fact, they are as wrong as three monkeys fucking a
football.
the doctor is
simply explaining the danger of murdering the child.
Now I'm just plain, fucking bored.
<snip the rest.....it was only cut & pasted propaganda, anyway.>
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| User: "Laura Bush - Americas kid-killer" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
25 Sep 2003 10:34:49 AM |
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(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<abortion-0924.20030924@news.mantra.com>...
The Hard Line
Actually, Abortion is Already Illegal
By R. Cort Kirkwood
Agape Press
February 28, 2003
(AgapePress) - Finally, the pro-life movement triumphed
over legal despotism.
The U.S. Supreme Court declared that the Racketeering
Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, a federal law
used to fight organized crime, does not prohibit pro-life
protests at abortuaries.
Organized crime means the Mafia, not Operation Rescue,
but lower courts agreed with the pro-aborts that
demonstrators were "racketeers." It was utter legal
nonsense, of course, but so is 1973's Roe v. Wade
decision, which legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Women, the court's sophists opined, have a "right" to
murder the unborn.
Everyone agrees roe v wade was legally incorrect. But then, so too
was bush v gore. The unelected USSC just does whatever it wants and
nobody stops them. Some democracy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
25 Sep 2003 12:01:24 PM |
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On 25 Sep 2003 08:34:49 -0700, (Laura Bush -
America's kid-killer) in alt.abortion with message-id
<e2eb3c97.0309250734.38b03876@posting.google.com> wrote:
Everyone agrees roe v wade was legally incorrect. But then, so too
was bush v gore. The unelected USSC just does whatever it wants and
nobody stops them. Some democracy.
Not everyone.
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| User: "Mugs*" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
25 Sep 2003 12:19:02 PM |
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prochoice@killspam.bigfoot.com. wrote:
On 25 Sep 2003 08:34:49 -0700, (Laura Bush -
America's kid-killer) in alt.abortion with message-id
<e2eb3c97.0309250734.38b03876@posting.google.com> wrote:
Everyone agrees roe v wade was legally incorrect. But then, so too
was bush v gore. The unelected USSC just does whatever it wants and
nobody stops them. Some democracy.
Not everyone.
Society's losers don't agree.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
26 Sep 2003 04:45:27 PM |
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In article <3F732461.65F0@home.com>, says...
Subject: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL
From: Mugs* < >
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, alt.abortion, alt.politics.bush, misc.writing.screenplays
prochoice@killspam.bigfoot.com. wrote:
On 25 Sep 2003 08:34:49 -0700, (Laura Bush -
America's kid-killer) in alt.abortion with message-id
<e2eb3c97.0309250734.38b03876@posting.google.com> wrote:
Everyone agrees roe v wade was legally incorrect. But then, so too
was bush v gore. The unelected USSC just does whatever it wants and
nobody stops them. Some democracy.
Not everyone.
Society's losers don't agree.
Indeed, you are certainly a loser! ;-))
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
25 Sep 2003 12:25:51 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:19:02 GMT, Mugs* <mugs@home.com> in alt.abortion
with message-id <3F732461.65F0@home.com> wrote:
prochoice@killspam.bigfoot.com. wrote:
On 25 Sep 2003 08:34:49 -0700, (Laura Bush -
America's kid-killer) in alt.abortion with message-id
<e2eb3c97.0309250734.38b03876@posting.google.com> wrote:
Everyone agrees roe v wade was legally incorrect. But then, so too
was bush v gore. The unelected USSC just does whatever it wants and
nobody stops them. Some democracy.
Not everyone.
Society's losers don't agree.
Defined as being those who disagree with you?
I would be proud to be part of The Loser's Club as defined by Stephen King.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: ACTUALLY, ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL |
24 Sep 2003 08:20:23 PM |
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Forwarded messages
Constitutional Persons:An Exchange on Abortion
In Stenberg v. Brown (1970) a three–judge federal
district court upheld an anti–abortion statute, stating
that privacy rights "must inevitably fall in conflict
with express provisions of the Fifth and Fourteenth
Amendments that no person shall be deprived of life
without due process of law." After relating the
biological facts of fetal development, the court stated
that "those decisions which strike down state abortion
statutes by equating contraception and abortion pay no
attention to the facts of biology." "Once new life has
commenced," the court wrote, "the constitutional
protections found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments
impose upon the state the duty of safeguarding it."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850234/posts
Posted by Remedy
End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
The Hard Line
Actually, Abortion is Already Illegal
By R. Cort Kirkwood
Agape Press
February 28, 2003
(AgapePress) - Finally, the pro-life movement triumphed
over legal despotism.
The U.S. Supreme Court declared that the Racketeering
Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, a federal law
used to fight organized crime, does not prohibit pro-life
protests at abortuaries.
Organized crime means the Mafia, not Operation Rescue,
but lower courts agreed with the pro-aborts that
demonstrators were "racketeers." It was utter legal
nonsense, of course, but so is 1973's Roe v. Wade
decision, which legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Women, the court's sophists opined, have a "right" to
murder the unborn.
Ever since then, pro-lifers have failed to overturn the
legal abomination in court, or by amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, or by urging presidents to appoint judicial
enemies of Roe to federal courts. Courts routinely strike
down laws restricting abortion.
Yet we don't need laws regulating abortion, and we don't
need a constitutional amendment. We don't need pro-life
justices.
Unenforced laws already forbid abortion.
State Laws
Real pro-lifers believe life begins at conception and
that abortion is first-degree murder; that is, the
premeditated killing of a human being. If abortion is
premeditated murder, then all 50 states already forbid
it, for every state in the union forbids murder.
Problem is, our courts have muddled the "legal
definition" of human life to permit abortion, which is
why they occur at a rate of some 3,000 per day.
Still, the question is why pro-lifers fight for laws,
such as those requiring parental consent, which are
intended to slow the killing. If they believe abortion is
first-degree murder, then parental consent laws merely
require a parent's permission for a minor to murder her
child.
Likewise for "informed-consent" laws, which require
doctors to explain a baby's gestational stage, and the
potential dangers to the mother, before an abortion. The
Supreme Court recently "approved" such a law in Indiana,
termed one of the "most restrictive in the nation."
In truth, the law "restricts" nothing; it does not
abolish abortion or stop just one abortion. If the pro-
lifers are right, that abortion is murder; the doctor is
simply explaining the danger of murdering the child.
The Federal Constitution On the other hand, pro-lifers
could hoist the liberals on their own legal petard. They
could argue the liberal (and wrong) interpretation of the
Constitution's 14th Amendment to end abortion.
Perhaps some pro-life lawyer has tried it, but in any
event many criminal defendants and civil plaintiffs have
won cases by arguing that life, liberty, and property
were taken without "due process," or that someone denied
them "equal protection" of the law. Liberals have used
the 14th to foist their unconstitutional agenda upon the
American people.
If human life beings at conception, a consistent
interpretation of the 14th would forbid abortion
everywhere. But again, why invoke it? If abortion is
murder, the 50 states prohibit it.
Defining Life
Pro-lifers must settle on a strategy to stop abortion,
but that strategy does not turn on the tactic of piling
new laws on top of existing laws.
Pro-lifers must press for enforcing those laws. But only
one thing would allow that, and only by undermining the
Roe decision: the state must define life as beginning at
conception. If a law is needed, that is it.
The clinics would close, debate would end, protests would
cease. Abortion would be recognized for what it is:
murder in the first degree.
- - -
R. Cort Kirkwood is a syndicated columnist and managing
editor of the Daily News-Record in Harrisonburg,
Virginia. He can be contacted at kirkwood[AT]shentel[DOT]net
Source - http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/282003rck.asp
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End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Panchaang for 29 Bhadrapad 5104, Wednesday, September 24, 2003:
Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau
Kanya Mase Krishna Pakshe Buddh Vasara Yuktayam
Poorvaphalguni Nakshatr Shubh Yog
Vishti-Shakuni Karan Chaturdashi Yam Tithau
Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of
this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent
the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others
are not necessarily those of the poster.
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