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16 Oct 2004 11:27:08 AM |
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All you need to know about this election |
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Oct 2004 12:18:37 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to drop
while Kerry gains ground.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "MrPepper11" |
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18 Oct 2004 09:40:31 AM |
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New York Times
October 18, 2004
Imagining America if George Bush Chose the Supreme Court
By ADAM COHEN
Abortion might be a crime in most states. Gay people could be thrown
in prison for having sex in their homes. States might be free to
become mini-theocracies, endorsing Christianity and using tax money to
help spread the gospel. The Constitution might no longer protect
inmates from being brutalized by prison guards. Family and medical
leave and environmental protections could disappear.
It hardly sounds like a winning platform, and of course President Bush
isn't openly espousing these positions. But he did say in his last
campaign that his favorite Supreme Court justices were Antonin Scalia
and Clarence Thomas, and the nominations he has made to the lower
courts bear that out. Justices Scalia and Thomas are often called
"conservative," but that does not begin to capture their philosophies.
Both vehemently reject many of the core tenets of modern
constitutional law.
For years, Justices Scalia and Thomas have been lobbing their judicial
Molotov cocktails from the sidelines, while the court proceeded on its
moderate-conservative path. But given the ages and inclinations of the
current justices, it is quite possible that if Mr. Bush is re-elected,
he will get three appointments, enough to forge a new majority that
would turn the extreme Scalia-Thomas worldview into the law of the
land.
There is every reason to believe Roe v. Wade would quickly be
overturned. Mr. Bush ducked a question about his views on Roe in the
third debate. But he sent his base a coded message in the second
debate, with an odd reference to the Dred Scott case. Dred Scott, an
1857 decision upholding slavery, is rarely mentioned today, except in
right-wing legal circles, where it is often likened to Roe.
(Anti-abortion theorists say that the court refused to see blacks as
human in Dred Scott and that the same thing happened to fetuses in
Roe.) For more than a decade, Justices Scalia and Thomas have urged
their colleagues to reverse Roe and "get out of this area, where we
have no right to be."
If Roe is lost, the Center for Reproductive Rights warns, there's a
good chance that 30 states, home to more than 70 million women, will
outlaw abortions within a year; some states may take only weeks.
Criminalization will sweep well beyond the Bible Belt: Ohio could be
among the first to drive young women to back-alley abortions and
prosecute doctors.
If Justices Scalia and Thomas become the Constitution's final
arbiters, the rights of racial minorities, gay people and the poor
will be rolled back considerably. Both men dissented from the Supreme
Court's narrow ruling upholding the University of Michigan's
affirmative-action program, and appear eager to dismantle a wide array
of diversity programs. When the court struck down Texas' "Homosexual
Conduct" law last year, holding that the police violated John
Lawrence's right to liberty when they raided his home and arrested him
for having sex there, Justices Scalia and Thomas sided with the
police.
They were just as indifferent to the plight of "M.L.B.," a poor mother
of two from Mississippi. When her parental rights were terminated, she
wanted to appeal, but Mississippi would not let her because she could
not afford a court fee of $2,352.36. The Supreme Court held that she
had a constitutional right to appeal. But Justices Scalia and Thomas
dissented, arguing that if M.L.B. didn't have the money, her children
would have to be put up for adoption.
That sort of cruelty is a theme running through many Scalia-Thomas
opinions. A Louisiana inmate sued after he was shackled and then
punched and kicked by two prison guards while a supervisor looked on.
The court ruled that the beating, which left the inmate with a swollen
face, loosened teeth and a cracked dental plate, violated the
prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. But Justices Scalia and
Thomas insisted that the Eighth Amendment was not violated by the
"insignificant" harm the inmate suffered.
This year, the court heard the case of a man with a court appearance
in rural Tennessee who was forced to either crawl out of his
wheelchair and up to the second floor or be carried up by court
officers he worried would drop him. The man crawled up once, but when
he refused to do it again, he was arrested. The court ruled that
Tennessee violated the Americans With Disabilities Act by not
providing an accessible courtroom, but Justices Scalia and Thomas said
it didn't have to.
A Scalia-Thomas court would dismantle the wall between church and
state. Justice Thomas gave an indication of just how much in his
opinion in a case upholding Ohio's school voucher program. He
suggested, despite many Supreme Court rulings to the contrary, that
the First Amendment prohibition on establishing a religion may not
apply to the states. If it doesn't, the states could adopt particular
religions, and use tax money to proselytize for them. Justices Scalia
and Thomas have also argued against basic rights of criminal suspects,
like the Miranda warning about the right to remain silent.
President Bush claims to want judges who will apply law, not make it.
But Justices Scalia and Thomas are judicial activists, eager to use
the fast-expanding federalism doctrine to strike down laws that
protect people's rights. Last year, they dissented from a decision
upholding the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees most
workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a loved one. They
said Congress did not have that power. They have expressed a desire to
strike down air pollution and campaign finance laws for similar
reasons.
Neither President Bush nor John Kerry has said much about Supreme
Court nominations, wary of any issue whose impact on undecided voters
cannot be readily predicted. But voters have to think about the
Supreme Court. If President Bush gets the chance to name three young
justices who share the views of Justices Scalia and Thomas, it could
fundamentally change America for decades.
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| User: "JMGrimp" |
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21 Oct 2004 01:13:38 PM |
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(MrPepper11) wrote in message news:<57cfd534.0410180640.729b882@posting.google.com>...
New York Times
October 18, 2004
Imagining America if George Bush Chose the Supreme Court
By ADAM COHEN
Abortion might be a crime in most states. Gay people could be thrown
in prison for having sex in their homes. States might be free to
become mini-theocracies, endorsing Christianity and using tax money to
help spread the gospel. The Constitution might no longer protect
inmates from being brutalized by prison guards. Family and medical
leave and environmental protections could disappear.
It hardly sounds like a winning platform, and of course President Bush
isn't openly espousing these positions. But he did say in his last
campaign that his favorite Supreme Court justices were Antonin Scalia
and Clarence Thomas, and the nominations he has made to the lower
courts bear that out. Justices Scalia and Thomas are often called
"conservative," but that does not begin to capture their philosophies.
Both vehemently reject many of the core tenets of modern
constitutional law.
For years, Justices Scalia and Thomas have been lobbing their judicial
Molotov cocktails from the sidelines, while the court proceeded on its
moderate-conservative path. But given the ages and inclinations of the
current justices, it is quite possible that if Mr. Bush is re-elected,
he will get three appointments, enough to forge a new majority that
would turn the extreme Scalia-Thomas worldview into the law of the
land.
There is every reason to believe Roe v. Wade would quickly be
overturned. Mr. Bush ducked a question about his views on Roe in the
third debate. But he sent his base a coded message in the second
debate, with an odd reference to the Dred Scott case. Dred Scott, an
1857 decision upholding slavery, is rarely mentioned today, except in
right-wing legal circles, where it is often likened to Roe.
(Anti-abortion theorists say that the court refused to see blacks as
human in Dred Scott and that the same thing happened to fetuses in
Roe.) For more than a decade, Justices Scalia and Thomas have urged
their colleagues to reverse Roe and "get out of this area, where we
have no right to be."
If Roe is lost, the Center for Reproductive Rights warns, there's a
good chance that 30 states, home to more than 70 million women, will
outlaw abortions within a year; some states may take only weeks.
Criminalization will sweep well beyond the Bible Belt: Ohio could be
among the first to drive young women to back-alley abortions and
prosecute doctors.
If Justices Scalia and Thomas become the Constitution's final
arbiters, the rights of racial minorities, gay people and the poor
will be rolled back considerably. Both men dissented from the Supreme
Court's narrow ruling upholding the University of Michigan's
affirmative-action program, and appear eager to dismantle a wide array
of diversity programs. When the court struck down Texas' "Homosexual
Conduct" law last year, holding that the police violated John
Lawrence's right to liberty when they raided his home and arrested him
for having sex there, Justices Scalia and Thomas sided with the
police.
They were just as indifferent to the plight of "M.L.B.," a poor mother
of two from Mississippi. When her parental rights were terminated, she
wanted to appeal, but Mississippi would not let her because she could
not afford a court fee of $2,352.36. The Supreme Court held that she
had a constitutional right to appeal. But Justices Scalia and Thomas
dissented, arguing that if M.L.B. didn't have the money, her children
would have to be put up for adoption.
That sort of cruelty is a theme running through many Scalia-Thomas
opinions. A Louisiana inmate sued after he was shackled and then
punched and kicked by two prison guards while a supervisor looked on.
The court ruled that the beating, which left the inmate with a swollen
face, loosened teeth and a cracked dental plate, violated the
prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. But Justices Scalia and
Thomas insisted that the Eighth Amendment was not violated by the
"insignificant" harm the inmate suffered.
This year, the court heard the case of a man with a court appearance
in rural Tennessee who was forced to either crawl out of his
wheelchair and up to the second floor or be carried up by court
officers he worried would drop him. The man crawled up once, but when
he refused to do it again, he was arrested. The court ruled that
Tennessee violated the Americans With Disabilities Act by not
providing an accessible courtroom, but Justices Scalia and Thomas said
it didn't have to.
A Scalia-Thomas court would dismantle the wall between church and
state. Justice Thomas gave an indication of just how much in his
opinion in a case upholding Ohio's school voucher program. He
suggested, despite many Supreme Court rulings to the contrary, that
the First Amendment prohibition on establishing a religion may not
apply to the states. If it doesn't, the states could adopt particular
religions, and use tax money to proselytize for them. Justices Scalia
and Thomas have also argued against basic rights of criminal suspects,
like the Miranda warning about the right to remain silent.
President Bush claims to want judges who will apply law, not make it.
But Justices Scalia and Thomas are judicial activists, eager to use
the fast-expanding federalism doctrine to strike down laws that
protect people's rights. Last year, they dissented from a decision
upholding the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees most
workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a loved one. They
said Congress did not have that power. They have expressed a desire to
strike down air pollution and campaign finance laws for similar
reasons.
Neither President Bush nor John Kerry has said much about Supreme
Court nominations, wary of any issue whose impact on undecided voters
cannot be readily predicted. But voters have to think about the
Supreme Court. If President Bush gets the chance to name three young
justices who share the views of Justices Scalia and Thomas, it could
fundamentally change America for decades.
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That is the most ridiculous load of FUD I have ever read. Has the NYT
become so partisan that they are now printing absurd crap like this? I
am no supporter of Bush but this political temper-tantrum that dems
and libs have been throwing for the past few years makes me nostalgic
for the tame (by comparison) whining of the pubs and right wingers
during the Clinton administration.
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| User: "Mike Z. Helm" |
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22 Oct 2004 09:30:19 PM |
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On 21 Oct 2004 11:13:38 -0700, (JMGrimp)
That is the most ridiculous load of FUD I have ever read.
Try reading your own posts.
Has the NYT
become so partisan that they are now printing absurd crap like this?
"Absurd crap"? Did you read the whole thing?
Ever heard of an editorial?
I
am no supporter of Bush but this political temper-tantrum that dems
and libs
"political temper-tantrum"? WTF are you talking about?
have been throwing for the past few years makes me nostalgic
for the tame (by comparison) whining of the pubs and right wingers
during the Clinton administration.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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16 Oct 2004 05:38:18 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to drop
while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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16 Oct 2004 08:26:44 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to drop
while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be palatable.
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| User: "BOB" |
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16 Oct 2004 08:50:10 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And Kerry
is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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16 Oct 2004 09:07:01 PM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Oct 2004 01:12:34 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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17 Oct 2004 09:33:20 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a statistical dead
heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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17 Oct 2004 09:41:02 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a statistical
dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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17 Oct 2004 10:23:27 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be a
statistical dead heat.
--
Brigham Young on interracial marriage:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the
white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed
of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This
will always be so."
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| User: "BOB" |
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17 Oct 2004 11:20:04 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
$6k2.2495@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be a
statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was ahead
in every poll.
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17 Oct 2004 11:54:36 AM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be a
statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
If that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
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17 Oct 2004 01:03:06 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098032076.0jv706QI+FMgHcpdH6rE/w@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be a
statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
If that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
But you said "every nation poll" just above, Gagumust. That makes you a
liar or a fool. I vote for both.
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17 Oct 2004 01:26:44 PM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585706D68EF5SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be
a statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
But you said "every nation poll" just above, Gagumust. That makes you a
liar or a fool. I vote for both.
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
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17 Oct 2004 06:18:33 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098037604.RMp1hX/0fRhoNZyMkgzSZA@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585706D68EF5SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098032076.0jv706QI+FMgHcpdH6rE/w@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
$6k2.2495@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would be
a statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
But you said "every nation poll" just above, Gagumust. That makes you a
liar or a fool. I vote for both.
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
Looks like I was right. You are both, Gagumust.
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17 Oct 2004 06:59:48 PM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585A5E76536FSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098037604.RMp1hX/0fRhoNZyMkgzSZA@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585706D68EF5SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098032076.0jv706QI+FMgHcpdH6rE/w@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
$6k2.2495@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept
reality. And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than
your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would
be a statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
But you said "every nation poll" just above, Gagumust. That makes you
a liar or a fool. I vote for both.
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
Looks like I was right. You are both, Gagumust.
No, Bush is still ahead in every national poll.
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18 Oct 2004 03:23:02 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:1098057588.Upi4
+L9JHj3zLmeSJZEf0Q@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585A5E76536FSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098037604.RMp1hX/0fRhoNZyMkgzSZA@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9585706D68EF5SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1098032076.0jv706QI+FMgHcpdH6rE/w@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95855EF44501CSD@68.6.19.6:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in news:P7wcd.5766
$6k2.2495@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept
reality. And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than
your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a
statistical dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Zogby 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 46%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Time 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%
Nader 3%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15
Bush 50%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
ABC/Wash Post 10/14 - 10/16
Bush 50%
Kerry 46%
Nader 1%
TIPP 10/12 - 10/15
Bush 48%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%
When you're talking about a + or - 3% margin of error, that would
be a statistical dead heat.
Then I guess Gagumust was lying again when he/she said that Bush was
ahead in every poll.
Here's one more poll for you. Just released today:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
But you said "every nation poll" just above, Gagumust. That makes you
a liar or a fool. I vote for both.
CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 52%
Kerry 44%
Nader 1%
Is that far enough outside the margin of error for you?
Looks like I was right. You are both, Gagumust.
No, Bush is still ahead in every national poll.
Do all of you neocon wingnut liars have difficulty admitting it when you
are wrong, Gagumust?
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17 Oct 2004 10:10:19 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in
news:Qovcd.7350$gy1.946@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ckt2gh$anr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
Because you're on crack?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
The national polls I've read show that they are either in a statistical
dead heat (+ or - 3% MFE) or Kerry slightly ahead.
Like all rightwing nutcases, Gagumust has to lie and deceive in an attempt
to make his point. It's typical of the way they spread their fantasies.
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16 Oct 2004 09:50:25 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097978821.ltjpFDt1Qsigpp6dDhNqGg@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
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17 Oct 2004 02:41:40 AM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9584C9D50ADDFSD@68.6.19.6>...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097978821.ltjpFDt1Qsigpp6dDhNqGg@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
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17 Oct 2004 09:34:21 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9584C9D50ADDFSD@68.6.19.6>...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
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| User: "osprey" |
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17 Oct 2004 07:17:18 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message news:<Npvcd.7355$gy1.1869@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9584C9D50ADDFSD@68.6.19.6>...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality. And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
O.k., then I would like to know if you are willing to put your name to
it.
Tell me, and I can record the post, date, and time for this, just what
Kerry will do if elected. Don't bash Bush, leave Bush out of it. If
Kerry is elected, what will he "accomplish" as President. Let's find
out how much confidence you really have. So far, to this date, all
the people who have claimed that Kerry is better than Bush has not
been able to stand by him when I asked for this small challenge,
convincing me that even Kerry supporters don't have confidence in him
if elected.
Maybe you will be the first.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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17 Oct 2004 07:29:00 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating continue
to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
O.k., then I would like to know if you are willing to put your name to
it.
Tell me, and I can record the post, date, and time for this, just what
Kerry will do if elected. Don't bash Bush, leave Bush out of it. If
Kerry is elected, what will he "accomplish" as President. Let's find
out how much confidence you really have. So far, to this date, all
the people who have claimed that Kerry is better than Bush has not
been able to stand by him when I asked for this small challenge,
convincing me that even Kerry supporters don't have confidence in him
if elected.
Maybe you will be the first.
First, I didn't bash Bush, and I haven't claimed that Kerry is "better" than
Bush, a relative term in the world of politics indeed. I voted for Bush on
the promise of smaller government, a balanced budget, and lower taxes. Bush
has broken with all but one of these promises, and that promise doesn't mean
much if it's financed by a debt that we will only have to pay back
eventually anyway. I have no idea what Kerry will accomplish, but I do know
what Bush hasn't accomoplished. My confidence in Bush/Cheney has been
reduced to almost nothing, so it's time for a change.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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18 Oct 2004 07:23:09 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue
to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
O.k., then I would like to know if you are willing to put your name to
it.
Tell me, and I can record the post, date, and time for this, just what
Kerry will do if elected. Don't bash Bush, leave Bush out of it. If
Kerry is elected, what will he "accomplish" as President. Let's find
out how much confidence you really have. So far, to this date, all
the people who have claimed that Kerry is better than Bush has not
been able to stand by him when I asked for this small challenge,
convincing me that even Kerry supporters don't have confidence in him
if elected.
Maybe you will be the first.
First, I didn't bash Bush,
I didn't say you did. I said tell me what Kerry is going to do without
bashing Bush.
Meaning, don't give the same old tactic so many others give..like...Kerry is
going to reverse what Bush done or something like that.
and I haven't claimed that Kerry is "better" than
Bush, a relative term in the world of politics indeed. I voted for Bush
on
the promise of smaller government, a balanced budget, and lower taxes.
We got lower taxes, the war on terrorism called for an increase in
government and the budget was hurt badly from 9/11, the war, and several
natural disators.
All of which could not have possibly been predicted.
Bush
has broken with all but one of these promises, and that promise doesn't
mean
much if it's financed by a debt that we will only have to pay back
eventually anyway. I have no idea what Kerry will accomplish, but I do
know
what Bush hasn't accomoplished. My confidence in Bush/Cheney has been
reduced to almost nothing, so it's time for a change.
Even Russian President Putin said that terrorism will only increase if Bush
loses.
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| User: "David Fritzinger" |
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18 Oct 2004 12:59:03 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<cIOdnX-g4KpkKe7cRVn-tg@comcast.com>...
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue
to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in order
to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still wouldn't
be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept reality.
And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
O.k., then I would like to know if you are willing to put your name to
it.
Tell me, and I can record the post, date, and time for this, just what
Kerry will do if elected. Don't bash Bush, leave Bush out of it. If
Kerry is elected, what will he "accomplish" as President. Let's find
out how much confidence you really have. So far, to this date, all
the people who have claimed that Kerry is better than Bush has not
been able to stand by him when I asked for this small challenge,
convincing me that even Kerry supporters don't have confidence in him
if elected.
Maybe you will be the first.
First, I didn't bash Bush,
I didn't say you did. I said tell me what Kerry is going to do without
bashing Bush.
Meaning, don't give the same old tactic so many others give..like...Kerry is
going to reverse what Bush done or something like that.
and I haven't claimed that Kerry is "better" than
Bush, a relative term in the world of politics indeed. I voted for Bush
on
the promise of smaller government, a balanced budget, and lower taxes.
We got lower taxes, the war on terrorism called for an increase in
government and the budget was hurt badly from 9/11, the war, and several
natural disators.
All of which could not have possibly been predicted.
Yes, we got lower taxes, if you are rich. BTW, you realize Bush
continues to misrepresent his tax cut as being mainly for the middle
class, when the vast majority goes to the rich, don't you? And, the
implications of Bush's tax cuts, irrespective of 9/11 (whose impact
was not nearly as severe as you want to make it. But, since you are a
Bush apologist, you go with the party line of "The buck stops there")
was predicted long before 9/11. And, remember, Bush is the first
president in a very long time to not veto a single spending bill.
Bush
has broken with all but one of these promises, and that promise doesn't
mean
much if it's financed by a debt that we will only have to pay back
eventually anyway. I have no idea what Kerry will accomplish, but I do
know
what Bush hasn't accomoplished. My confidence in Bush/Cheney has been
reduced to almost nothing, so it's time for a change.
Even Russian President Putin said that terrorism will only increase if Bush
loses.
Oh yeah, now there is a good source! Putin has essentially destroyed
the independent media and politics in Russia, and you cite him as a
good source for supporting Bush. Do you expect Bush to follow in
Putin's footsteps, and banish the independent media in the US?
8^)
--
Dave Fritzinger
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| User: "Osprey" |
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18 Oct 2004 01:06:30 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns9584BF9D9F9FCSD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1097976404.YsYzuiqbN8HE3oj36+sEtw@bubbanews:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in
news:uphcd.7281$gT2.994@news01.roc.ny:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Kerry is defending Blue states.
Bush is attacking them.
Bush is going to campaign in New Jersey on Monday.
That tells you all you need to know.
Bush is getting desperate, seeing his approval rating
continue
to
drop while Kerry gains ground.
Fischer, ever the Kerry apologist. Lies about Bush in
order
to
make
Kerry palatable.
Even if Ray's lies about Bush were true, Kerry still
wouldn't
be
palatable.
They are not lies, Gagumust, you just refuse to accept
reality.
And
Kerry is palatable to many more Americans than your idiotboy
Bush.
Then why is Bush ahead in every nation poll?
He's not, Gagumust.
How much confidence do you have in John Kerry and John Edwards?
A hell of a lot more than I have in Bush/Cheney.
O.k., then I would like to know if you are willing to put your name to
it.
Tell me, and I can record the post, date, and time for this, just what
Kerry will do if elected. Don't bash Bush, leave Bush out of it. If
Kerry is elected, what will he "accomplish" as President. Let's find
out how much confidence you really have. So far, to this date, all
the people who have claimed that Kerry is better than Bush has not
been able to stand by him when I asked for this small challenge,
convincing me that even Kerry supporters don't have confidence in him
if elected.
Maybe you will be the first.
First, I didn't bash Bush,
I didn't say you did. I said tell me what Kerry is going to do without
bashing Bush.
Meaning, don't give the same old tactic so many others give..like...Kerry
is
going to reverse what Bush done or something like that.
and I haven't claimed that Kerry is "better" than
Bush, a relative term in the world of politics indeed. I voted for
Bush
on
the promise of smaller government, a balanced budget, and lower taxes.
We got lower taxes, the war on terrorism called for an increase in
government and the budget was hurt badly from 9/11, the war, and several
natural disators.
All of which could not have possibly been predicted.
Yes, we got lower taxes, if you are rich. BTW, you realize Bush
continues to misrepresent his tax cut as being mainly for the middle
class, when the vast majority goes to the rich, don't you? And, the
implications of Bush's tax cuts, irrespective of 9/11 (whose impact
was not nearly as severe as you want to make it. But, since you are a
Bush apologist, you go with the party line of "The buck stops there")
was predicted long before 9/11. And, remember, Bush is the first
president in a very long time to not veto a single spending bill.
Bush
has broken with all but one of these promises, and that promise doesn't
mean
much if it's financed by a debt that we will only have to pay back
eventually anyway. I have no idea what Kerry will accomplish, but I do
know
what Bush hasn't accomoplished. My confidence in Bush/Cheney has been
reduced to almost nothing, so it's time for a change.
Even Russian President Putin said that terrorism will only increase if
Bush
loses.
Oh yeah, now there is a good source! Putin has essentially destroyed
the independent media and politics in Russia, and you cite him as a
good source for supporting Bush. Do you expect Bush to follow in
Putin's footsteps, and banish the independent media in the US?
How come you all dismissed Putin's warnings of terrorist attacks against the
U.S.?
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