On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:36:37 +1100,
Andrew W. <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

Andrew W. <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

And is as UN-Christian as it GETS.

So -- READERS -- as you read the remainder of the other-
wise excellent previous post, please remember that the people
described therein aren't even **remotely** Christians. They
are the leaders and lemmings of the RRR Cult.

Fred Phelps and his son are very much Christians. You can't
get much more Christian than that. Check them out when you
get a chance.

LOL!!!!

You forgot to include the <sarcasm> and </sarcasm>
notations around the above. But I know that's what you meant.

So then what exactly qualifies one to be called a true Christian?
The belief and following of Jesus? More? Less? Fred Phelps and
others like them follow Jesus too, in some ways probably more than
many other Christians.

Surely you **jest**! Phelps and his ilk are the quintessential
ANTITHESIS of those who live as Christ directed us to do, and as
He set examples for us to do.

He ORDERED us to show love and compassion to our neighbors,
and one of many of the best examples of that which he set for us
was the incident of the woman at the well.

Phelps would have been one of the asswipes who gleefully would
have stoned her, instead!

Is there really such a thing as a true Christian?

The Bible makes it quite clear in several places that to be one, a
person needs to ask Christian into his/her life as Lord and Savior, *and*
to repent of one's sins.

That doesn't mean that the person's life
will be prefect, by any means, since that's impossible to accomplish.

But truly born-again Christians mae a concerted effort to strive to be
as much like Christ as they can, and follow His directives.

And one of Jesus' PRIMARY directives is for us to show love and
compassion to our neighbors.

Phelps does the diametric OPPOSITE.

He's a HUGE embarrassment to Christians, since many in society
are actually gullible and stupid enough to think that he represents
Christians, in his loathsome, hateful, and bigoted actions. Satan
couldn't possibly have a better friend than Phelps!

Much of what Jesus teaches is little more than just secular
humanism anyway, and is actually quite opposite to many of the
other wacky things that the Bible commands.

Know what most of that which RRR Cultists call "secular humanism"
in a pejorative way really is? It's COMMON SENSE, plain and simple!
So *of course* there are close parallels between that, and the way
Jesus lived and taught. It would be very surprising if it were otherwise.
Thus, we see just one more way in which RRR Cultists make total
fools of themselves.

Most of the TRULY wacky things that the Bible commands are
rules set forth primarily in Leviticus. Designed to help people during
humanity's childhood to survive well before they matured to the point
where they could safely "cross the street" unsupervised. The majority
of those are found in the Old Testament, particularly in Leviticus, and
no longer are applicable. Jesus specifically did away with several, in
so many words. E.g., His dispensing with "unclean" foods.

Being a good Christian requires that one turns a blind eye to the
many barbaric, divisive and generally anti-human edicts in the Bible.

Nope. See above.

The question then is, can one who only believes and practices
parts of the Bible still be considered a full Christian?

Sure! Again, see above.

Also many of those so called good Christians you mentioned will just
sheepishly condone or even support a cultist government or religious
leader's draconian religious policies just because they believe that it
must
be God's will, so they're not so good either.

It sounds like you're describing the Bush Administration. Which again
is one of the best things Satan has going for him. Bush is the worst
mass-murderer the world has seen since Pol Pot... and tens of millions
of Americans (mostly its Republicans) still remain too deceived by him to
have figured that out yet. One very GOOD sign, though -- 2/3 of
Americans now oppose our uncalled-for invasion of Iraq, and our contin-
ued occupation of it. And it used to be the other way around. People
ARE finally waking up!

I know, because I have parents that are like that. Otherwise they're
great people, and great Christians also.

The problem is they give their power away to people and doctrines
which they shouldn't be trusting just because they sound pious.

Our lemmings of the RRR Cult do that all the time. But they're
probably far more deceived than your parents.

That is a serious character flaw. It shows not only a lack of
character,
but a lack of individuality and confidence in ones own sense of self
worth
and decision making abilities.

Traits of which the average adherents of the RRR Cult's agendas are
DEVOID.

It probably more than anything shows a lack of education in true
personal values, character and integrity.

That -- but far MORE so, a calculated deception of ignorant people
by crafty leaders who target them. Leaders who know that HALF of
any random population's IQ is under 100. The tens of millions under
85 are gullible fair game! They know *that*, too!

So then what exactly is a good/full/true Christian?

Again -- see above. And see sig, below, for more detail.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:47:49 +0200,
"krisbam" <krisbam@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@home.com> wrote:

Krisbam <Krisbam@altavista.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@home.com> wrote:

dk <dkandrews@worldinter.net> wrote:

May GOD forgive the USA of partial birth abortion. )-:

The above is your submission for:

"ASININE Comment of the Day," right?

Yup...

Suggest perhaps, that we ask God, INSTEAD, to forgive
the HATEFUL people who seek for impose immense hardship
upon tens of millions of women by FORCING childbirth upon
them, against their will.

And to think these same hateful control freaks to even endorse
a god and then profess to speak for this god is utterly sickening!

Which is why I think I'm being very fair and accurate when I refer
to such people as "PSEUDO-Christians." Jesus' PRIME Directive was
a COMMAND to His followers to show love and compassion to their
neighbors.

Which makes sense!

No one in history was ever MORE sensible. Or compassionate.

... Which the Anti-Choicers purporting to be Christions either
PURPOSELY ignore, or are totally IGNORANT of, in their pursuit of a
hateful agenda that would TRASH all those millions of their neighbors.

It is deliberate attempt to destroy the religion and the spirits of
those
who are avid and true followers of the faith. How unfortuante.

For sure. By guising themselves as "Christians," the PSEUDO-
Christian cultists of the Religious Radical Right (in which MOST of
the Anti-Choicers are found), they lyingly cloak themselves in that
mantle of respectability. Unfortunately, that has COST Christianity
its respectability in the eyes of the tens of millions of Americans
who have not been discerning enough to recognize that the RRR
Cult in NO WAY is the *least bit* representative of Christianity.

Christianity is FAIR-minded.

The RRR Cult is NARROW-minded.

Christianity is CONSIDERATE.

The RRR Cult is control-freakish.

Christianity follows what the Bible SAYS.

The RRR Cult cooks up its own false doctrine, and
IGNORES everything in the Bible that conflicts with it.

The Bible says NOTHING about (or against) abortion.

The RRR cultists pretend that it does.

Jesus' Prime Directive: Love and have compassion for neighbors.

The RRR cult seeks to TRASH millions of women.

The Bible appointed NO Enforcers of its precepts upon society.

The RRR cult acts as though it appointed THEM to be.
And to add insult to *that* injury, they THEN seek to
IMPOSE their false dogmas (such as opposition to
abortion) upon society AS THOUGH they were biblical.

The Bible warns of "False Teachers" that will come in our day.

The leaders of the RRR cult FIT the criteria for that
PERFECTLY. And *most* people don't even recognize
them for what they are. (Which is logical; what false
teacher worth his salt would *identify* himself as such?
To the contrary, they all would CON as many people as
possible into believing that they're Jesus' gift to our
generation.)

GENUINE Christians and the RRR cultists, who PURPORT to be
Christians, are as different as day and night.

The Bible says that "by their fruits" people shall be known.

The fruits of GENUINE Christians are kindness, fair-mindedness,
consideration, charity, and honesty.

The fruits of the RRR cultists are repression, deception, and
hatefulness.

As an ENORMOUS service BOTH to Jesus AND to His two billion
followers, worldwide, it is necessary to EDUCATE society about this
massive and hateful deception on the part of the cultists.

These cultists are found primarily within the USA, and to a lesser
degree, Canada. In America, if they are *regarded* as Christians,
they comprise only a mere 1% of them. Of the remaining 99%,
most are *genuine* Christians -- although a few million of those are
passive sympathizers with the cultists. Probably because they don't
realize how wrong the RRR cult is, and have fallen for much of their
disinformation. The RRR Cult's leaders are masters of psychological
deception. (And ONE of those, James Dobson, even is *introduced*
in his daily "Focus on the Family" show on Christian radio as a
"psychologist." HE's not even a clergyman.)

All in the supposed "defense" of entities that are the SAME as
sperm and ova -- which they DON'T defend -- in all important ways:
human, unique, a stage of development *without* which there would
be NO births, NON-sentient, and alive.

It seems that it is easier to defend an imaginery person then to
actually
go out of their way to defend an actual person. This would require that
they use their personal resources and time, which is something they are
unwilling to give, but expect everyone else to do so.

They are the epitome of selfishness and irrationality.

Even though the Bible covers WELL just about every "moral" issue
people could imagine -- all the way down to fortune-telling (!!), it
never MENTIONS abortion... NEVER *defends* human entities that
have not been born... directs ALL of the defense of human life that it
DOES contain, at people who have been BORN... and ascribes
TREMENDOUS importance to BIRTH order.

Leaving the Anti-Choice pseudo-Christians WITHOUT excuse.

But they still seem to find the excuses! I have to say, at least
they are
creative.

They "need" to be. Since not one single FACT supports their hateful
and mindless agenda. So they rant, rave, whine, play on the emotions of
the gullible, equivocate, employ semantic word-games, lie, and propagan-
dize. And after a person wades through all of that in search for *any*
FACTS that they may have brought to bear in the midst of it -- he/she
finds
that NO supporting facts have been presented.

So -- we are dealing with people who are USUALLY hypocritical,
USUALLY bone-ignorant, and ALWAYS hateful and mindless.

And then they WONDER why they are America's laughingstock.

LOL.

Krisbam

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:36:37 +1100,
Andrew W. <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

Andrew W. <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

And is as UN-Christian as it GETS.

So -- READERS -- as you read the remainder of the other-
wise excellent previous post, please remember that the people
described therein aren't even **remotely** Christians. They
are the leaders and lemmings of the RRR Cult.

Fred Phelps and his son are very much Christians. You can't
get much more Christian than that. Check them out when you
get a chance.

LOL!!!!

You forgot to include the <sarcasm> and </sarcasm>
notations around the above. But I know that's what you meant.

So then what exactly qualifies one to be called a true Christian?
The belief and following of Jesus? More? Less? Fred Phelps and
others like them follow Jesus too, in some ways probably more than
many other Christians.

Surely you **jest**! Phelps and his ilk are the quintessential
ANTITHESIS of those who live as Christ directed us to do, and as
He set examples for us to do.

He ORDERED us to show love and compassion to our neighbors,
and one of many of the best examples of that which he set for us
was the incident of the woman at the well.

Phelps would have been one of the asswipes who gleefully would
have stoned her, instead!

Is there really such a thing as a true Christian?

The Bible makes it quite clear in several places that to be one, a
person needs to ask Christian into his/her life as Lord and Savior, *and*
to repent of one's sins. That doesn't mean that the person's life
will be prefect, by any means, since that's impossible to accomplish.
But truly born-again Christians mae a concerted effort to strive to be
as much like Christ as they can, and follow His directives.

And one of Jesus' PRIMARY directives is for us to show love and
compassion to our neighbors.

Phelps does the diametric OPPOSITE.

He's a HUGE embarrassment to Christians, since many in society
are actually gullible and stupid enough to think that he represents
Christians, in his loathsome, hateful, and bigoted actions. Satan
couldn't possibly have a better friend than Phelps!

Much of what Jesus teaches is little more than just secular
humanism anyway, and is actually quite opposite to many of the
other wacky things that the Bible commands.

Know what most of that which RRR Cultists call "secular humanism"
in a pejorative way really is? It's COMMON SENSE, plain and simple!
So *of course* there are close parallels between that, and the way
Jesus lived and taught. It would be very surprising if it were otherwise.
Thus, we see just one more way in which RRR Cultists make total
fools of themselves.

Most of the TRULY wacky things that the Bible commands are
rules set forth primarily in Leviticus. Designed to help people during
humanity's childhood to survive well before they matured to the point
where they could safely "cross the street" unsupervised. The majority
of those are found in the Old Testament, particularly in Leviticus, and
no longer are applicable. Jesus specifically did away with several, in
so many words. E.g., His dispensing with "unclean" foods.

Being a good Christian requires that one turns a blind eye to the
many barbaric, divisive and generally anti-human edicts in the Bible.

Nope. See above.

The question then is, can one who only believes and practices
parts of the Bible still be considered a full Christian?

Sure! Again, see above.

Also many of those so called good Christians you mentioned will just
sheepishly condone or even support a cultist government or religious
leader's draconian religious policies just because they believe that it must
be God's will, so they're not so good either.

It sounds like you're describing the Bush Administration. Which again
is one of the best things Satan has going for him. Bush is the worst
mass-murderer the world has seen since Pol Pot... and tens of millions
of Americans (mostly its Republicans) still remain too deceived by him to
have figured that out yet. One very GOOD sign, though -- 2/3 of
Americans now oppose our uncalled-for invasion of Iraq, and our contin-
ued occupation of it. And it used to be the other way around. People
ARE finally waking up!

I know, because I have parents that are like that. Otherwise they're
great people, and great Christians also.

The problem is they give their power away to people and doctrines
which they shouldn't be trusting just because they sound pious.

Our lemmings of the RRR Cult do that all the time. But they're
probably far more deceived than your parents.

That is a serious character flaw. It shows not only a lack of character,
but a lack of individuality and confidence in ones own sense of self worth
and decision making abilities.

Traits of which the average adherents of the RRR Cult's agendas are
DEVOID.

It probably more than anything shows a lack of education in true
personal values, character and integrity.

That -- but far MORE so, a calculated deception of ignorant people
by crafty leaders who target them. Leaders who know that HALF of
any random population's IQ is under 100. The tens of millions under
85 are gullible fair game! They know *that*, too!

So then what exactly is a good/full/true Christian?

Again -- see above. And see sig, below, for more detail.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:47:49 +0200,
"krisbam" <krisbam@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@home.com> wrote:

Krisbam <Krisbam@altavista.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@home.com> wrote:

dk <dkandrews@worldinter.net> wrote:

May GOD forgive the USA of partial birth abortion. )-:

The above is your submission for:

"ASININE Comment of the Day," right?

Yup...

Suggest perhaps, that we ask God, INSTEAD, to forgive
the HATEFUL people who seek for impose immense hardship
upon tens of millions of women by FORCING childbirth upon
them, against their will.

And to think these same hateful control freaks to even endorse
a god and then profess to speak for this god is utterly sickening!

Which is why I think I'm being very fair and accurate when I refer
to such people as "PSEUDO-Christians." Jesus' PRIME Directive was
a COMMAND to His followers to show love and compassion to their
neighbors.

Which makes sense!

No one in history was ever MORE sensible. Or compassionate.

... Which the Anti-Choicers purporting to be Christions either
PURPOSELY ignore, or are totally IGNORANT of, in their pursuit of a
hateful agenda that would TRASH all those millions of their neighbors.

It is deliberate attempt to destroy the religion and the spirits of those
who are avid and true followers of the faith. How unfortuante.

For sure. By guising themselves as "Christians," the PSEUDO-
Christian cultists of the Religious Radical Right (in which MOST of
the Anti-Choicers are found), they lyingly cloak themselves in that
mantle of respectability. Unfortunately, that has COST Christianity
its respectability in the eyes of the tens of millions of Americans
who have not been discerning enough to recognize that the RRR
Cult in NO WAY is the *least bit* representative of Christianity.

Christianity is FAIR-minded.

The RRR Cult is NARROW-minded.

Christianity is CONSIDERATE.

The RRR Cult is control-freakish.

Christianity follows what the Bible SAYS.

The RRR Cult cooks up its own false doctrine, and
IGNORES everything in the Bible that conflicts with it.

The Bible says NOTHING about (or against) abortion.

The RRR cultists pretend that it does.

Jesus' Prime Directive: Love and have compassion for neighbors.

The RRR cult seeks to TRASH millions of women.

The Bible appointed NO Enforcers of its precepts upon society.

The RRR cult acts as though it appointed THEM to be.
And to add insult to *that* injury, they THEN seek to
IMPOSE their false dogmas (such as opposition to
abortion) upon society AS THOUGH they were biblical.

The Bible warns of "False Teachers" that will come in our day.

The leaders of the RRR cult FIT the criteria for that
PERFECTLY. And *most* people don't even recognize
them for what they are. (Which is logical; what false
teacher worth his salt would *identify* himself as such?
To the contrary, they all would CON as many people as
possible into believing that they're Jesus' gift to our
generation.)

GENUINE Christians and the RRR cultists, who PURPORT to be
Christians, are as different as day and night.

The Bible says that "by their fruits" people shall be known.

The fruits of GENUINE Christians are kindness, fair-mindedness,
consideration, charity, and honesty.

The fruits of the RRR cultists are repression, deception, and
hatefulness.

As an ENORMOUS service BOTH to Jesus AND to His two billion
followers, worldwide, it is necessary to EDUCATE society about this
massive and hateful deception on the part of the cultists.

These cultists are found primarily within the USA, and to a lesser
degree, Canada. In America, if they are *regarded* as Christians,
they comprise only a mere 1% of them. Of the remaining 99%,
most are *genuine* Christians -- although a few million of those are
passive sympathizers with the cultists. Probably because they don't
realize how wrong the RRR cult is, and have fallen for much of their
disinformation. The RRR Cult's leaders are masters of psychological
deception. (And ONE of those, James Dobson, even is *introduced*
in his daily "Focus on the Family" show on Christian radio as a
"psychologist." HE's not even a clergyman.)

All in the supposed "defense" of entities that are the SAME as
sperm and ova -- which they DON'T defend -- in all important ways:
human, unique, a stage of development *without* which there would
be NO births, NON-sentient, and alive.

It seems that it is easier to defend an imaginery person then to actually
go out of their way to defend an actual person. This would require that
they use their personal resources and time, which is something they are
unwilling to give, but expect everyone else to do so.

They are the epitome of selfishness and irrationality.

Even though the Bible covers WELL just about every "moral" issue
people could imagine -- all the way down to fortune-telling (!!), it
never MENTIONS abortion... NEVER *defends* human entities that
have not been born... directs ALL of the defense of human life that it
DOES contain, at people who have been BORN... and ascribes
TREMENDOUS importance to BIRTH order.

Leaving the Anti-Choice pseudo-Christians WITHOUT excuse.

But they still seem to find the excuses! I have to say, at least they are
creative.

They "need" to be. Since not one single FACT supports their hateful
and mindless agenda. So they rant, rave, whine, play on the emotions of
the gullible, equivocate, employ semantic word-games, lie, and propagan-
dize. And after a person wades through all of that in search for *any*
FACTS that they may have brought to bear in the midst of it -- he/she finds
that NO supporting facts have been presented.