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"Snubis" |
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28 Jan 2004 04:36:54 PM |
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Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more negative
attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey. The survey by
Zogby International, a New York-based research firm, found that more than
20 percent of Americans have views that are less favorable toward abortion
than they held 10 years ago. The pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced
among younger Americans, with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that
abortion should never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for
those ages 30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll 1,009
people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York counties of Erie
and Niagara on their views concerning abortion. Both local and national
results revealed that personal experience was a major factor in how people
responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it. Those
results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that one
explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a baby forming
in the womb that technology has provided since abortion was legalized.
"Everyone has seen a sonogram now," Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In
1973, they were almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with abortion helped
change their views. "I don't believe in abortion, because I've seen how it
can affect people's lives," said 51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the
survey subjects interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should
be a form of birth control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be
abortion in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his first
marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said her abortion
contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C., changed
from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told the Buffalo
News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks gestation, how could anyone
do that? People do that out of ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that the
nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to the abortion
issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told Focus on the Family.
"That doesn't mean that we're going to win it next week or even in the next
four years, but we are making headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for Disease
Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions fell to less than
862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of factors,
including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female population that is
getting older, reduced availability of abortions, and the passage of laws
that require waiting periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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29 Jan 2004 08:28:03 AM |
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In article <043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com>, Snubis
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Being anti-anortion is HARDLY the same as being pro-life!!
It would be interesting to see how many who claim to oppose abortion also
oppose the Death Penalty, or who are anri-war.
It would be interesting to see how many of those oppose abortion would
also be willing to pay MORE taxes in oder to provide pre-natal care,
heakth care for poor children, and to reduce the US infant mortality
rate that is two and hald times the infant mortality rate of Singapor.
I have a feeling that if such a pool were done among anti-abortionists it
would certainly reveal that they are anything BUT pro-life.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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| User: "eedwards" |
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| Title: Re: Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
03 Feb 2004 02:03:43 PM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com>, Snubis
<snubis@wp.pl> wrote:
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Being anti-anortion is HARDLY the same as being pro-life!!
Moreover, being Pro-Choice is not the same as Pro-Abortion. Many understand
the difference between a secular or legal right and a moral wrong. While
many understand this, unfortunately not enough do....
Making the abortion illegal is a shallow answer to a deep problem. (but
then, that one political party has a plethora of shallow answers to deep
problems...) Abortions will exist, whether legal or not. People will just
take greater risks in gaining them... and more and more unfortunate persons
will deal with dire consequences. This will just be one more area to
police.... and we will make examples (err victims) out of our troubled youth
(see drug war for more information on unwinnable battles with countless
victims...)
If you are opposed to abortion, do not have one. If you do have one, you
are accountable to God. Abortion should be a moral issue, not a legal
one...
One could make a similar argument to make divorce illegal... A strong
biblically based argument could be made that divorce and abortion are very
similar things in the eyes of God (it is another case where man un-does what
God has made happen.... a married couple are one in the eyes of God...) If
I were to post a similar argument to make divorce illegal, people would
simply tell me not to have one....
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| User: "Rev Prez" |
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01 Feb 2004 04:26:17 PM |
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(Ninure Saunders) wrote in message news:<RainbowChristiannohate-2901040841490001@h-68-164-224-82.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>...
In article <043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com>, Snubis
<snubis@wp.pl> wrote:
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Being anti-anortion is HARDLY the same as being pro-life!!
I guess your definitions for "anti-abortion" and "pro-life" differ
greatly from those used in the public square.
It would be interesting to see how many who claim to oppose abortion also
oppose the Death Penalty, or who are anri-war.
When did the mainstream pro-life argue that killing is always wrong?
It would be interesting to see how many of those oppose abortion would
also be willing to pay MORE taxes in oder to provide pre-natal care,
heakth care for poor children, and to reduce the US infant mortality
rate that is two and hald times the infant mortality rate of Singapor.
Why would criminalizing abortion necessitate higher taxes?
Rev Prez
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Feb 2004 04:59:27 PM |
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Rev Prez <revprez@mit.edu> wrote:
When did the mainstream pro-life argue that killing is always wrong?
Snicker.
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| User: "TPA TPA" |
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01 Feb 2004 05:13:44 PM |
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On Sun 01 Feb 2004 05:59:27p, (Ray Fischer) wrote
in news:bvk0ce$43r$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rev Prez <revprez@mit.edu> wrote:
When did the mainstream pro-life argue that killing is always wrong?
Snicker.
Moron.
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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28 Jan 2004 05:31:52 PM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey. The
survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm, found
that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are less
favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The pro-life
shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans, with one
third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should never be
legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64,
and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion. Both
local and national results revealed that personal experience was a
major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it. Those
results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that one
explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a baby
forming in the womb that technology has provided since abortion was
legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now," Echevarria told the
Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with abortion
helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion, because I've
seen how it can affect people's lives," said 51-year-old Michael
Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I
don't believe it should be a form of birth control. But I can't bring
myself to say there can't be abortion in cases of rape or incest, or
when the life of the mother is threatened." Moore said his views
toward abortion changed after his first marriage, to a woman who had
undergone the procedure. He said her abortion contributed to
psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told the
Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks gestation, how
could anyone do that? People do that out of ignorance, not knowing
it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that the
nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to the
abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told Focus
on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it next week
or even in the next four years, but we are making headway. Ultimately
Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions fell
to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has continued
since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of factors,
including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female population
that is getting older, reduced availability of abortions, and the
passage of laws that require waiting periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the reproductive
choices and decisions are left up to the individuals directly involved in
the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the pro-choice philosophy as
I see it.
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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28 Jan 2004 09:16:39 PM |
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Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey. The
survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm, found
that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are less
favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The pro-life
shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans, with one
third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should never be
legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64,
and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion. Both
local and national results revealed that personal experience was a
major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it. Those
results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that one
explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a baby
forming in the womb that technology has provided since abortion was
legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now," Echevarria told the
Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with abortion
helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion, because I've
seen how it can affect people's lives," said 51-year-old Michael
Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I
don't believe it should be a form of birth control. But I can't bring
myself to say there can't be abortion in cases of rape or incest, or
when the life of the mother is threatened." Moore said his views
toward abortion changed after his first marriage, to a woman who had
undergone the procedure. He said her abortion contributed to
psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told the
Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks gestation, how
could anyone do that? People do that out of ignorance, not knowing
it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that the
nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to the
abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told Focus
on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it next week
or even in the next four years, but we are making headway. Ultimately
Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions fell
to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has continued
since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of factors,
including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female population
that is getting older, reduced availability of abortions, and the
passage of laws that require waiting periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the reproductive
choices and decisions are left up to the individuals directly involved in
the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the pro-choice philosophy as
I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be born, right?
Robert b. Winn
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| User: "Bob" |
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28 Jan 2004 10:04:35 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans,
with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should
never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages
30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion in
cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his
first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said
her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions
fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has
continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the
pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f cannot
decide anything. Tell you what, you produce a z/e/f that can voice it's
choice to be born and I will reconsider my position. Waiting....
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28 Jan 2004 10:49:26 PM |
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947ECC379895ESD@68.6.19.6:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans,
with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should
never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages
30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion in
cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his
first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said
her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions
fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has
continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the
pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything.
Neither can infant children. Should they be allowed to be killed as well?
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| User: "Bob" |
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28 Jan 2004 11:46:06 PM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947ECC379895ESD@68.6.19.6:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans,
with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should
never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages
30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion in
cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his
first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said
her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions
fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has
continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the
pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything.
Neither can infant children. Should they be allowed to be killed as well?
Gee, you anti-choice loons have a real obsession with killing children,
don't you? You should seriously consider professional help.
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29 Jan 2004 05:35:59 AM |
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On Thu 29 Jan 2004 12:46:06a, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
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rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
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Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger
Americans, with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that
abortion should never be legal. That contrasts with about 23
percent for those ages 30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those
over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion
in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after
his first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He
said her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers
for Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported
abortions fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that
has continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is
the pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything.
Neither can infant children. Should they be allowed to be killed as
well?
Gee, you anti-choice loons have a real obsession with killing children,
don't you? You should seriously consider professional help.
I see you avoided yet another question. Maybe you can answer it this time.
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Thu 29 Jan 2004 12:46:06a, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
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rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
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Bob <SD> wrote in message
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a
more negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national
survey. The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based
research firm, found that more than 20 percent of Americans
have views that are less favorable toward abortion than they
held 10 years ago. The pro-life shift seems to be most
pronounced among younger Americans, with one third of those
aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should never be legal. That
contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64, and
about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to
poll 1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the
New York counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning
abortion. Both local and national results revealed that
personal experience was a major factor in how people responded
to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member
were contemplating having an abortion, they would advise
against it. Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said
that one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability
to see a baby forming in the womb that technology has provided
since abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram
now," Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were
almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in
abortion, because I've seen how it can affect people's lives,"
said 51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects
interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be
a form of birth control. But I can't bring myself to say there
can't be abortion in cases of rape or incest, or when the life
of the mother is threatened." Moore said his views toward
abortion changed after his first marriage, to a woman who had
undergone the procedure. He said her abortion contributed to
psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She
told the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted
that the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's
response to the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this
one," Crouse told Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that
we're going to win it next week or even in the next four years,
but we are making headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers
for Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported
abortions fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend
that has continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a
female population that is getting older, reduced availability
of abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting
periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is
the pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to
be born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything.
Neither can infant children. Should they be allowed to be killed as
well?
Gee, you anti-choice loons have a real obsession with killing
children, don't you? You should seriously consider professional
help.
I see you avoided yet another question. Maybe you can answer it this
time.
I gave you my response. Didn't like it did you? No wonder.
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28 Jan 2004 10:48:51 PM |
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947ECC379895ESD@68.6.19.6:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans,
with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should
never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages
30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion in
cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his
first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said
her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions
fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has
continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the
pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything. Tell you what, you produce a z/e/f that can
voice it's choice to be born and I will reconsider my position.
Waiting....
As a former fetus, I strongly oppose legalized abortion.
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28 Jan 2004 11:43:41 PM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947ECC379895ESD@68.6.19.6:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans,
with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should
never be legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages
30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion in
cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after his
first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He said
her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions
fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has
continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the
pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything. Tell you what, you produce a z/e/f that can
voice it's choice to be born and I will reconsider my position.
Waiting....
As a former fetus, I strongly oppose legalized abortion.
That's nice. Now pruduce a z/e/f that can voice it's choice to be born as
I proposed above.
As a pre-corpse, do you also oppose death?
Idiot.
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29 Jan 2004 05:37:30 AM |
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On Thu 29 Jan 2004 12:43:41a, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947EDD0752978SD@68.6.19.6:
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:b75d1dcb01dce77ed4811f427448b63c@news.teranews.com:
On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
news:Xns947ECC379895ESD@68.6.19.6:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
news:7943568.0401281916.5ad6c5d@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11>...
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey.
The survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm,
found that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are
less favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The
pro-life shift seems to be most pronounced among younger
Americans, with one third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that
abortion should never be legal. That contrasts with about 23
percent for those ages 30 to 64, and about 20 percent for those
over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion.
Both local and national results revealed that personal experience
was a major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it.
Those results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that
one explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a
baby forming in the womb that technology has provided since
abortion was legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now,"
Echevarria told the Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost
unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with
abortion helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion,
because I've seen how it can affect people's lives," said
51-year-old Michael Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed
by the Buffalo News. "I don't believe it should be a form of birth
control. But I can't bring myself to say there can't be abortion
in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is
threatened." Moore said his views toward abortion changed after
his first marriage, to a woman who had undergone the procedure. He
said her abortion contributed to psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told
the Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks
gestation, how could anyone do that? People do that out of
ignorance, not knowing it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that
the nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to
the abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told
Focus on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it
next week or even in the next four years, but we are making
headway. Ultimately Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers
for Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported
abortions fell to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that
has continued since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of
factors, including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female
population that is getting older, reduced availability of
abortions, and the passage of laws that require waiting periods or
parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the
reproductive choices and decisions are left up to the individuals
directly involved in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is
the pro-choice philosophy as I see it.
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything. Tell you what, you produce a z/e/f that can
voice it's choice to be born and I will reconsider my position.
Waiting....
As a former fetus, I strongly oppose legalized abortion.
That's nice. Now pruduce a z/e/f that can voice it's choice to be born
as I proposed above.
So you would have those killed who can't speak for themselves? Why don't we
allow abortions up to the point where the child speaks its first word.
Would that be appropriate?
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29 Jan 2004 06:24:28 AM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
On Wed 28 Jan 2004 11:04:35p, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in
So that would mean you would be in favor of the child choosing to be
born, right? Robert b. Winn
Focus looney toon, focus. That would be impossible beause a z/e/f
cannot decide anything. Tell you what, you produce a z/e/f that can
voice it's choice to be born and I will reconsider my position.
Waiting....
As a former fetus, I strongly oppose legalized abortion.
That's nice. Now pruduce a z/e/f that can voice it's choice to be born
as I proposed above.
So you would have those killed who can't speak for themselves?
So you would have pregnant women enslaved and killed?
Why don't we
allow abortions up to the point where the child speaks its first word.
Would that be appropriate?
Why not whenever she's pregnant? That way you'd _reallY- be able to
show those irresponsible women that sex is evil.
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28 Jan 2004 07:08:21 PM |
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 06:31:52p, Bob <SD> wrote in
news:Xns947E9DE8A7A60SD@153.80.109.11:
Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
news:043d65e99811ec0967aa14b3fcb8a722@news.teranews.com:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey. The
survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm, found
that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are less
favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The pro-life
shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans, with one
third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should never be
legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64,
and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion. Both
local and national results revealed that personal experience was a
major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it. Those
results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that one
explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a baby
forming in the womb that technology has provided since abortion was
legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now," Echevarria told the
Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with abortion
helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion, because I've
seen how it can affect people's lives," said 51-year-old Michael
Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I
don't believe it should be a form of birth control. But I can't bring
myself to say there can't be abortion in cases of rape or incest, or
when the life of the mother is threatened." Moore said his views
toward abortion changed after his first marriage, to a woman who had
undergone the procedure. He said her abortion contributed to
psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told the
Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks gestation, how
could anyone do that? People do that out of ignorance, not knowing
it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that the
nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to the
abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told Focus
on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it next week
or even in the next four years, but we are making headway. Ultimately
Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions fell
to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has continued
since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of factors,
including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female population
that is getting older, reduced availability of abortions, and the
passage of laws that require waiting periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the reproductive
choices and decisions are left up to the individuals directly involved
in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the pro-choice
philosophy as I see it.
A woman's reproductive choices end at the moment of conception.
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28 Jan 2004 07:37:12 PM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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A woman's reproductive choices end at the moment of conception.
fortunately, that's not true.
it does, in my opinion, say something of how you think of women.
"Apparently, you feel that if someone doesn't believe your lies, that
you should continue to screech them over and over in an attempt to
convince someone that what you're saying has any value. This isn't
kindergarten Asspry, and no matter how many times you screech your
lies, they will continue to BE lies." (pr0r3p)
writing to coward osprey (bobby heishman) in
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
28 Jan 2004 08:46:57 PM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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On Wed 28 Jan 2004 06:31:52p, Bob <SD> wrote in
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in
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WASHINGTON, D.C. (EP) - Americans appear to be shifting to a more
negative attitude on abortion, according to a new national survey. The
survey by Zogby International, a New York-based research firm, found
that more than 20 percent of Americans have views that are less
favorable toward abortion than they held 10 years ago. The pro-life
shift seems to be most pronounced among younger Americans, with one
third of those aged 18 to 29 saying that abortion should never be
legal. That contrasts with about 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64,
and about 20 percent for those over age 65.
Zogby partnered with the Buffalo News in Buffalo, New York to poll
1,009 people nationwide, as well as 800 subjects in the New York
counties of Erie and Niagara on their views concerning abortion. Both
local and national results revealed that personal experience was a
major factor in how people responded to the issue.
Over 60 percent said that if a close friend or family member were
contemplating having an abortion, they would advise against it. Those
results seemed to mirror national trends.
Laura Echevarria of the National Right to Life Committee said that one
explanation for the pro-life shift may be the ability to see a baby
forming in the womb that technology has provided since abortion was
legalized. "Everyone has seen a sonogram now," Echevarria told the
Buffalo News. "In 1973, they were almost unheard of."
Some survey respondents said their personal experience with abortion
helped change their views. "I don't believe in abortion, because I've
seen how it can affect people's lives," said 51-year-old Michael
Moore, one of the survey subjects interviewed by the Buffalo News. "I
don't believe it should be a form of birth control. But I can't bring
myself to say there can't be abortion in cases of rape or incest, or
when the life of the mother is threatened." Moore said his views
toward abortion changed after his first marriage, to a woman who had
undergone the procedure. He said her abortion contributed to
psychological problems for her.
Another respondent, 30-year-old Aimee Caverly of Raleigh, N.C.,
changed from pro-choice to pro-life after she had a baby. She told the
Buffalo News, "After seeing a heartbeat at eight weeks gestation, how
could anyone do that? People do that out of ignorance, not knowing
it's a life."
Dr. Janice Crouse of the Beverly LaHaye Institute predicted that the
nation-wide change will affect the Supreme Court's response to the
abortion issue. "I think we are winning this one," Crouse told Focus
on the Family. "That doesn't mean that we're going to win it next week
or even in the next four years, but we are making headway. Ultimately
Roe v. Wade will fall."
In related news, the latest statistics from the federal Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) show that the number of reported abortions fell
to less than 862,000 in 1999, a downward trend that has continued
since 1991.
The CDC said the decline in abortions is due to a number of factors,
including a decrease in unintended pregnancies, a female population
that is getting older, reduced availability of abortions, and the
passage of laws that require waiting periods or parental notification.
http://www.mcchronicle.com/archive/122102/story12x.html
All of this information is fine and dandy. As long as the reproductive
choices and decisions are left up to the individuals directly involved
in the pregnancy, there is no problem. That is the pro-choice
philosophy as I see it.
A woman's reproductive choices end at the moment of conception.
Says who? You? Sounds like you need a lesson or two in reality. Haven't
you heard that abortion-choice is the law of the land? And that is not
likely to change in our lifetime.
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| User: "K Dog" |
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| Title: Re: Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
29 Jan 2004 01:38:10 AM |
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Abortion choice is certainly the law of the land.
If it wasn't for the immense amount of money that is generated from
performing abortions then abortion may never have been legalized. You can
thank the abortionists and the amount of MONEY they generate from
terminating ill-timed pregnancies for protecting YOUR right to abortion. If
it wasn't for them you'd never have that right!
The rights of the woman (unfortunatley for Snubis) come FIRST. The rights of
the fetus come SECOND. It's a simple and far principle of law. And that
probably won't change.
I've always assumed that big money is the very thing influencing the laws -
in a lot of cases I'd probably be right. In the case of abortion I'm
probably right as well. But, in this case, all and well. Abortion law
affords women the right to remedy for unwanted pregnancies. I hope it stays
that way. I don't think I would ever like to return to the days of illegal
abortion where women performed their "own" abortions and died from bleeding
and/or infections as a result of finding themselves in a situation where
they were desperate to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Abortion is
unpleasant, that's for sure, but it's certainly a lot less unpleasant than
desperate women dying from botched abortions because they didn't have the
right to access a safe and legal abortion.
KD
Says who? You? Sounds like you need a lesson or two in reality. Haven't
you heard that abortion-choice is the law of the land? And that is not
likely to change in our lifetime.
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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| Title: Re: Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
29 Jan 2004 09:32:06 AM |
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"K Dog" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in
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Abortion choice is certainly the law of the land.
If it wasn't for the immense amount of money that is generated from
performing abortions then abortion may never have been legalized. You
can thank the abortionists and the amount of MONEY they generate from
terminating ill-timed pregnancies for protecting YOUR right to
abortion. If it wasn't for them you'd never have that right!
The rights of the woman (unfortunatley for Snubis) come FIRST. The
rights of the fetus come SECOND. It's a simple and far principle of
law. And that probably won't change.
I've always assumed that big money is the very thing influencing the
laws - in a lot of cases I'd probably be right. In the case of
abortion I'm probably right as well. But, in this case, all and well.
Abortion law affords women the right to remedy for unwanted
pregnancies. I hope it stays that way. I don't think I would ever like
to return to the days of illegal abortion where women performed their
"own" abortions and died from bleeding and/or infections as a result
of finding themselves in a situation where they were desperate to
terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Abortion is unpleasant, that's for
sure, but it's certainly a lot less unpleasant than desperate women
dying from botched abortions because they didn't have the right to
access a safe and legal abortion.
KD
If money were a factor, then birth-choice would certainly win hands down
over abortion-choice. Much more money is made from having babies than
from having abortions.
Says who? You? Sounds like you need a lesson or two in reality.
Haven't you heard that abortion-choice is the law of the land? And
that is not likely to change in our lifetime.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Americans Becoming More Pro-Life |
28 Jan 2004 07:25:57 PM |
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Snubis wrote:
A woman's reproductive choices end at the moment of conception.
Fortunately, you're wrong
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