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User: "osprey"
Date: 14 Sep 2005 10:03:23 AM
Object: Another lesson for Barnes
David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how to
land.
Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.
http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html
On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)
His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.
School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.
(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days before
the attacks)
There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.
Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.
According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.
Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC on
9/11/01
.

User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 14 Sep 2005 09:23:31 PM
In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)

Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.




His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.

Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue. They DID want to learn how to take
off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.

School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days before
the attacks)

And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.

What threat? Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants
to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.

Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.

It was, dipshit.


Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC on
9/11/01

I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 15 Sep 2005 07:45:39 AM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.

No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because they were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.





His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.

Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.
They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.

When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to attacking on
a personal level.


School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?

They should have done more.



There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.


What threat?

Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?
Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.

And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.



Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.

No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 15 Sep 2005 10:04:56 PM
In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because they were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.

Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.







His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.

Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!
Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.
http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0


They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to attacking on
a personal level.

Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.




School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


They should have done more.

Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under President
Clinton's watch.




There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?

You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.

You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.

I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 12:00:24 AM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because they were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.

What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information. Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.








His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.

http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0

That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.



They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to attacking on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.

No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.





School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under President
Clinton's watch.

Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.





There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.

What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???
What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.
Oh yea, we bombed an aspirin factory...that fixed everything.



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.

You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he knew
about it.
The floor is yours.
You will probably blame Fox news
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 09:36:01 AM
In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.

That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.

And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.

http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.

Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.

Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.

"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???

After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.

LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he knew
about it.

Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.
Under GW Bush's watch, we lost four airliners, the World Trade Center,
part of the Pentagon, a Space Shuttle, and now an entire city. But
ALWAYS, it wasn't his fault.


The floor is yours.

You will probably blame Fox news

That isn't the question, Spud. Stop trying to change the topic. The
people who trained the pilots say the "Terrorists" asked for training
on taking off and landing, and were trained on taking off and landing,
and one of them was actually pretty good at it.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 09:51:49 AM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11
attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al
Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because
they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.

http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the
threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again,
our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.

So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?


Under GW Bush's watch, we lost four airliners, the World Trade Center,
part of the Pentagon, a Space Shuttle, and now an entire city. But
ALWAYS, it wasn't his fault.


The floor is yours.

You will probably blame Fox news


That isn't the question, Spud. Stop trying to change the topic. The
people who trained the pilots say the "Terrorists" asked for training
on taking off and landing, and were trained on taking off and landing,
and one of them was actually pretty good at it.

.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 08:50:01 PM
In article <YZGdnU9ZorYjRrfeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11
attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al
Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because
they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.

http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the
threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again,
our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.


So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?

LOL!!! I keep forgetting how low your standards are, guard. And you
DO have a point - we can't expect Bush to do anything unless we spell
it out for him. He's incompetent.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 09:07:13 PM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920051850015109%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <YZGdnU9ZorYjRrfeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11
attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had
been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al
Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough
evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate
that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because
they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land -
only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to
the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.

http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1000
0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=40588
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before
Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was
arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him
arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under
President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the
threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again,
our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location,
the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack
on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about
Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he
knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.


So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?


LOL!!! I keep forgetting how low your standards are, guard. And you
DO have a point - we can't expect Bush to do anything unless we spell
it out for him. He's incompetent.

Notice: Barnes is unable to answer the questions.
When your argument is weak, you resort to insults. Everytime.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 09:23:38 PM
In article <bNCdncciOM6a57beRVn-2w@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920051850015109%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <YZGdnU9ZorYjRrfeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11
attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had
been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al
Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough
evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate
that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because
they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land -
only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to
the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.


http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10
00

0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=405
88
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before
Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was
arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him
arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under
President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the
threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again,
our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location,
the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack
on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about
Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he
knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.


So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?


LOL!!! I keep forgetting how low your standards are, guard. And you
DO have a point - we can't expect Bush to do anything unless we spell
it out for him. He's incompetent.



Notice: Barnes is unable to answer the questions.

When your argument is weak, you resort to insults. Everytime.

I answered it! I agreed with you! We can't expect Bush to do his job
unless we hand feed him every step of the way. What more do you want
from me?
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 17 Sep 2005 12:13:09 AM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <bNCdncciOM6a57beRVn-2w@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920051850015109%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <YZGdnU9ZorYjRrfeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11
attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had
been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al
Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough
evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate
that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper. Because
they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land -
only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated to
the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.


http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10
00

0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid=405
88
004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before
Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the
attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was
arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him
arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under
President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the
threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again,
our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness from
ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location,
the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack
on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about
Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he
knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like you,
Bush is incompetent.


So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?


LOL!!! I keep forgetting how low your standards are, guard. And you
DO have a point - we can't expect Bush to do anything unless we spell
it out for him. He's incompetent.



Notice: Barnes is unable to answer the questions.

When your argument is weak, you resort to insults. Everytime.


I answered it! I agreed with you! We can't expect Bush to do his job
unless we hand feed him every step of the way. What more do you want
from me?

What you fail to realize, and I really can't believe you are this
stupid,
is NO PRESIDENT could have prevented what happened on 9/11, not even
your hero's Gore or Clinton.
Those terrorist planned that years prior to the attack. They had been
trying to knock down the World Trade Centers since the first attack in
93.
Terrorism CAN NOT BE DEFEATED NOR PREVENTED.
The FBI and CIA received HUNDREDS of tips and warnings on any given
day.
A good comparison would be ...
You are the Mayor of New York...that's giving you WAY too much ability
though.
On any given day you may have 50 murders in your city.
One day, the Police Commissioner comes into your office and says, "sir,
you will have a murder in the city sometime soon".
What are you supposed to do? You can't do anything, you don't have
ENOUGH information yet.
I realize that this is too much for you to understand and you are going
to blame Bush regardless. And I am certainly not going to say that
Bush doesn't deserve a fair amount of criticism, our Government failed
LONG before Bush was elected.
Your primary goal though is to just blame a Republican. That's what
you are going to do, that's what you always do, and nothing will ever
change with you.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 17 Sep 2005 01:36:34 AM
In article <1126933989.590260.51600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <bNCdncciOM6a57beRVn-2w@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920051850015109%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <YZGdnU9ZorYjRrfeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:160920050736012793%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <1126846824.790587.91350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <MP-dnXfRGe4n8bTeRVn-2A@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920051923318350%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the

9/11

attack
on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not
learn how
to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very
suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had
been
keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to

Al

Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed

the

information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a
security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as
1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being

warned?)


Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the
information,
but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a

security

threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough
evidence?
Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate
that.


No, but they should have watched him more and dug deeper.

Because

they
were
WRONG, he did pose a security threat.


Not until Bush and the Republicans backed off on spending to these
organizations.


What are you talking about? The failures were due to the FBI and
CIA
not sharing information.


That was a very small part of it. How desperate can you get?

Thank Clinton, not Bush. Bush wasn't even in
office long enough to make ANY impact.


And we can say the same today.










His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he
asked to
use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published
reports, he
even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land -
only
how to
make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.


Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But

the

instructors said this was untrue.


Shame you never came up with a source to back that up.


Shame you didn't catch it. The instructors stated it in the
documentary I cited!

Buy it! (100% of the purchase price of this DVD will be donated
to
the
Flight 93 National Memorial Project.) You are the one who is
always
shooting of his mouth about how he wants to help.



http://shopping.discovery.com/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
d=10
00


0&catalogId=10000&langId=-1&productId=58878&partnumber=731885&jzid
=405
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004-16-0



That's not true, the instructors were worried that he DIDN'T want to
learn how to land. You are lying.


Well don't get the facts! Stick with those Fox "NEWS" lies! LOL!




They DID want to learn how to take

off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


When you have no argument and you know you are weak, resort to
attacking
on
a personal level.


Osprey thinks that if you say something bad about his beloved Fox
"NEWS" that is a personal attack.


No, you are the one bringing up Fox, and I never said one word about
it.


Well you got that ***** from someone. And the people who were
actually there say otherwise. It was either Fox "NEWS" or Ann
Coulter.






School officials contacted the FBI several times before
Moussaoui
was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before

the

attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was
arrested
days
before
the attacks)


And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him
arrested?


They should have done more.


Such as what? The World Trade Center didn't collapse under
President
Clinton's watch.


Are you that stupid? In 1993, if that attack had gone as planned it
would have been twice as bad as what happened in 2001. Just be glad
that the cyanide burned up.
Go do some research...please.


"if that attack had gone as planned" Idiot.







There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about

the

threat
but
failed to act on it.


What threat?


Oh not much..just their plan to kill a few thousand
Americans...that's not
much of a threat though to you is it?


You must have been in on it if you know they were planning that
back
then.


What? Are you saying that they started this plan when Bush took
office???


After.


What about the other attacks, attibuted to Al Queda? Embassy attacks
and the USS Cole. All under Clinton's watch.


LOL!!!! You are pretty desperate!



Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants

to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and

again,

our
intelligence leaders FAILED.


Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.


It was, dipshit.


And yet you can't see how wrong you are due to your blindness

from

ignorance.


You mean, you can't establish your case.




Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location,
the
method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack
on
the
WTC
on
9/11/01


I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his

conduct

acceptable says a lot about YOU.


No, the fact that you go around spreading such propaganda about
Bush
without
any base or factual support says a lot about YOU.


I offered the support - you did what you do. You denied it.


You never offered one bit of support.
Go ahead, show us how 9/11 was all Bush's fault and show us how he
knew
about it.


Just this week, documents were declassified that show that Bush was
warned before the attack that Bin Laden planned on crashing planes
into
large buildings. They were delivered to Bush on Aug. 6, 2001 - just
five weeks before the attacks. And you know what he did when he
received these documents? HE WENT ON A ONE MONTH VACATION! Like
you,
Bush is incompetent.


So these documents stated that terrorist were going to attack on 9/11?
Did they say who was going to hi-jack the planes?
Did they say which planes?
Did they state the targets?


LOL!!! I keep forgetting how low your standards are, guard. And you
DO have a point - we can't expect Bush to do anything unless we spell
it out for him. He's incompetent.



Notice: Barnes is unable to answer the questions.

When your argument is weak, you resort to insults. Everytime.


I answered it! I agreed with you! We can't expect Bush to do his job
unless we hand feed him every step of the way. What more do you want
from me?


What you fail to realize, and I really can't believe you are this
stupid,
is NO PRESIDENT could have prevented what happened on 9/11, not even
your hero's Gore or Clinton.

President Clinton told Bush to watch Bin Laden, as they had - Bush
ignored this advice.

Those terrorist planned that years prior to the attack. They had been
trying to knock down the World Trade Centers since the first attack in
93.

Osprey thinks all the "terrorists" work together.


Terrorism CAN NOT BE DEFEATED NOR PREVENTED.

Tell Bush.


The FBI and CIA received HUNDREDS of tips and warnings on any given
day.

Not the same. President Clinton and his people told Bush that Bin
Laden was planning such a thing. President Clinton had focused his
people on this and prevented it.


A good comparison would be ...

You are the Mayor of New York...that's giving you WAY too much ability
though.

On any given day you may have 50 murders in your city.

One day, the Police Commissioner comes into your office and says, "sir,
you will have a murder in the city sometime soon".

What are you supposed to do? You can't do anything, you don't have
ENOUGH information yet.

I realize that this is too much for you to understand and you are going
to blame Bush regardless. And I am certainly not going to say that
Bush doesn't deserve a fair amount of criticism, our Government failed
LONG before Bush was elected.

Your primary goal though is to just blame a Republican. That's what
you are going to do, that's what you always do, and nothing will ever
change with you.

Bush was told, Spud. He went on vacation....
.










User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 15 Sep 2005 07:20:48 AM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)



Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?

<cough> Padilla <cough> :)

Because you CLAIM Ray Fisher lied when he said you advocate that.




His instructors grew suspicious of their new student after he asked to use
their Boeing flight simulators. According to some published reports, he even
said that he didn't want to learn how to take off or land - only how to make
turns - and asked questions about flying in New York.



Note: "According to some published reports..." "SOME" But the
instructors said this was untrue. They DID want to learn how to take
off and land. Too much Fox "NEWS" for you.


School officials contacted the FBI several times before Moussaoui was
arrested on a passport violation August 16 - 26 days before the attacks.


(Barnes - play close attention..."His instructors grew
suspicious"...contacted FBI SEVERAL TIMES before he was arrested days before
the attacks)



And you think this means what, exactly? Did you want him arrested?


There was a FAILURE with our intelligence, they knew about the threat but
failed to act on it.



What threat? Do you advocate jailing everyone who is Muslim and wants
to fly, or what? TELL US.


Clinton was made aware of these individuals as well, and again, our
intelligence leaders FAILED.



Failed what? To jail him?


According to Barnes though...it was all Bush's fault.



It was, dipshit.


Barnes thinks that Bush knew the day, the hour, the location, the method
used, who would carry it out and how in regards to the attack on the WTC on
9/11/01



I think Bush is incompetent. The fact that you find his conduct
acceptable says a lot about YOU.

.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 15 Sep 2005 10:04:55 PM
In article <AGdWe.1219$am.731@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@-=Citlink=-.net> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been keeping
a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)



Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?


<cough> Padilla <cough> :)

Yup! :-)
.

User: "Louise Mallard"

Title: Re: Another lesson for Barnes 16 Sep 2005 04:31:05 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:20:48 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@-=Citlink=-.net>
wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <4s-dnezltIroprXeRVn-vA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


David Barnes thinks that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 attack on
the U.S. didn't want to just learn how to fly a plane and not learn how to
land.

Here is a link that proves that the instructors DID get very suspicious.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/moussaoui/background.html


On August 26, French officials notified the FBI that they had been keeping a
file on Moussaoui since 1994, and warned that he had ties to Al Qaeda
organization and Osama bin Laden. The FBI and CIA reviewed the information,
but concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security threat.
He remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.



(Barnes likes to blame Bush...Barnes..this was as far back as 1994...why
didn't Clinton do anything about it, even after being warned?)



Warned of what, Spud? "The FBI and CIA reviewed the information, but
concluded there was not enough evidence that he posed a security
threat." Are you advocating jailing him without enough evidence?


<cough> Padilla <cough> :)
<