Science > Abortion > Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison
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11 Jul 2005 06:24:46 PM |
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Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to
Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison
11 Jul 2005
US District Judge Anita Brody on Thursday sentenced antiabortion advocate
Clayton Waagner to 19 years in prison without the possibility of parole
for several federal convictions, including threatening to use a weapon of
mass destruction, the... Allentown Morning Call reports. Waagner in 2001
mailed hundreds of letters signed by the antiabortion group Army of God
and claiming to be contaminated with anthrax to clinics that perform
abortions, causing some clinics to be evacuated and closed to deal with
the scare (Grossman, Allentown Morning Call, 7/8). In October 2002,
Waagner pleaded not guilty to a 79-count indictment on federal terrorism
charges that was issued in relation to the mailings, which went to
abortion providers in 24 states. A federal jury in Philadelphia in
December 2003 convicted Waagner on 51 federal charges -- including
violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, extortion, and
making and mailing threatening communications -- but acquitted him on two
charges relating to an Internet posting that listed 42 abortion clinic
employees whom he allegedly wanted to kill (Kaiser Daily Reproductive
Health Report, 8/25/04). Waagner currently is serving a 49-year prison
sentence on weapons' possession and prison escape convictions in Illinois
and Ohio.
Terrorism Charges
Waagner -- who represented himself during the sentencing -- asked Brody
to delay the sentencing so he could plead guilty to other pending federal
charges, but Brody denied the request (Shiffman, Philadelphia Inquirer,
7/8). Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Barrett had urged Brody to issue a
life sentence in the case, which would have been possible if the judge
concluded Waagner had committed acts of terrorism (Allentown Morning
Call, 7/8). Waagner mailed his letters during the anthrax scares that
followed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "He wanted to exploit the moment
to use the anxiety and panic caused by those other terrorist acts to fuel
his own brand of terror," Barrett said (AP/Yahoo! News, 7/7). However,
federal law defines an act of terrorism as an act against the government,
and Brody said Waagner was "solely interested in retaliating" against
abortion providers (Allentown Morning Call, 7/8).
Waagner Comments, Reaction
Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8). Dayle Steinberg -- president
and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania, whose clinics
received some of Waagner's letters -- said, "We're relieved. He's where
he should be" (Smith, Philadelphia Daily News, 7/8).
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=27290
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19 Jul 2005 05:24:10 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:42:52 GMT, Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 0:10:05 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkek9vl9lu.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Run Forrest, Run! :D
Forrest was a Nobel Prize winner in comparison to Heishman. :-)
Forrest was also a combat vet, unlike Heishman. :D
Haha--I just read this after I posted this similar response.
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19 Jul 2005 01:23:25 AM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 0:10:05 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkek9vl9lu.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Run Forrest, Run! :D
Forrest was a Nobel Prize winner in comparison to Heishman. :-)
Forrest was also a combat vet, unlike Heishman. :D
....though you have to give Heishman credit for going on a years-long run, even
if only through Usenet. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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17 Jul 2005 04:25:15 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:50:09 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121629809.025471.298420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Discrimination: Women are afforded something men are not.
That is, the choice to get out of parenthood and not have to pay
financially for something they did not want.
Yeah, we know all about the children you didn't want to pay for. At least
some are alive to hate you. :o)
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"Flew on combat missions" --Osprey (on one of the many things he did in the
military. The only problem is he never left the U.S.)
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
17 Jul 2005 12:05:43 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
Most pregnancies are terminated during the embryonic stage of
pregnancy.
So? Does that mean that I am supposed to just turn against my own
personal beliefs and values?
You don't have any values.
Just because you may view the embryo as a "clump" of meaningless cells
doesn't mean I or anyone else has to.
Just because you're a lying, immoral, cowardly turd of a semi-human
doesn't mean that everybody else should accomodate your immorality.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 Jul 2005 01:44:45 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:42:57 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121571777.731090.221640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Have you seen a fetus survive an abortion?
Are you A survivor spud? It would explain alot. :o)
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"And yes, I have done my time in the military as well, served in combat, and
been involved in a lot of other things." --Osprey
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16 Jul 2005 07:51:53 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 16 Jul 2005 16:55:50 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 16 Jul 2005 15:20:49 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005 11:42:50 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005 06:22:37 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[...]
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to...
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
You said, osprey, that abortion is about terminating pregnancy, which
means and then you falsely stated (which I originally omitted):
What you ommitted was where I said, it kills a human being.
Which I left in tact in my last response, below. Why are you repeating
me?
No, it was apparent you were trying to twist my statement, which
consider dishonest.
That was
the part where you were dishonest.
The dishonesty here is issuing blatant disinformation, such like the
claim that abortion kills a human being,
That isn't being dishonest at all,
It is because you are in grasp of this fact
(thought you'll never admit it).
unless you think abortion kills a
puppy.
Abortion terminates a pregnancy, just as you've mentioned.
How's that, stinker?
True, abortion does terminate a pregnancy. But in order to be
pregnant, the womb must hold the fetus, which is a human being.
Thus Heishman is a murderer for killing millions of innocent sperm
which are human beings.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
17 Jul 2005 08:51:23 AM |
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Since your wife had an abortion, ostrich, the only way you
can be true to your belief that it's a crime is to contact the
authorities and have her charged with murder.
Take the case all the way up to the Supreme Court and you
can have a chance at seeing Roe v. Wade overturned.
What's holding you back?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
16 Jul 2005 07:50:56 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005 06:22:37 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
[...]
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to...
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
You said, osprey, that abortion is about terminating pregnancy, which
means and then you falsely stated (which I originally omitted):
[...]
Abortion kills a human being.
Do you believe when your wife, Tanya, aborted her pregnancy, she
killed her child? Is that what you repeat to her?
If you wish to talk to me about my wife, then I suggest you get from
behind your computer and face me man to man and talk to me about it,
and try to talk to me like you are on here and see how far it gets you.
***** Heishman runs away form yet another question.
Nobody is surprised.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 Jul 2005 01:30:38 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:50:56 -0400, Ray Fischer wrote
(in message <dbca1f$suq$1@bolt.sonic.net>):
If you wish to talk to me about my wife, then I suggest you get from
behind your computer and face me man to man and talk to me about it,
and try to talk to me like you are on here and see how far it gets you.
***** Heishman runs away form yet another question.
Nobody is surprised.
Yup, with hi typical internet toughguy routine. Hey heishman, come to NY and
talk that *****. :o)
--
"I never admitted I lied about you or Barnes"
"Second, the criminal records of people I dug up are real. Just because
they match your name, doesn't mean I lied. I didn't." --Osprey (defending his
lies)
<snip>
"You gave me no other choice, you guys wouldn't stop with your lies and
childish name calling." --Osprey (Admitting he lied and blaming others for
his actions)
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
14 Jul 2005 08:04:36 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:42:50 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121366570.005460.222160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
Abortion kills a human being.
Do you tell your children that mommy is a murderer in gods eyes? :o)
--
"I know you are a coward, you know you are a coward." --Osprey
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Jul 2005 09:04:27 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:42:50 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121366570.005460.222160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
Abortion kills a human being.
Do you tell your children that mommy is a murderer in gods eyes? :o)
Wouldn't honesty from Spud be a conclusive sign of the impending apocalypse?
;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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17 Jul 2005 01:41:13 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:04:27 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szk8y06rxw4.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Do you tell your children that mommy is a murderer in gods eyes? :o)
Wouldn't honesty from Spud be a conclusive sign of the impending apocalypse?
;-)
I guess his kids can read spuds internet antics when they are old enough, or
hear it from the kids at school. Then they can hate spud like his other
daughter. ;o)
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"Anytime an inmate escapes, it is justification for deadly force." --Osprey
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17 Jul 2005 10:14:52 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:04:27 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szk8y06rxw4.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Do you tell your children that mommy is a murderer in gods eyes? :o)
Wouldn't honesty from Spud be a conclusive sign of the impending apocalypse?
;-)
I guess his kids can read spuds internet antics when they are old enough, or
hear it from the kids at school. Then they can hate spud like his other
daughter. ;o)
The tales that older half-sister can tell...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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14 Jul 2005 09:30:00 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
Quit whining, coward.
Abortion kills a human being.
You're lying again, *****. But it seems to be the only thing you're
capable of doing.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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14 Jul 2005 09:20:30 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
As you've stated earlier, osprey: "Abortion is about terminating a
pregnancy."
Don't be dishonest about what I said.
Quite whining, coward.
Abortion kills a human being.
You're lying again, *****. But it seems to be the only thing you're
capable of doing.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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14 Jul 2005 07:57:51 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 9:22:37 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121347357.901760.151090@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
--
"Flew on combat missions" --Osprey (on one of the many things he did in the
military. The only problem is he never left the U.S.)
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Jul 2005 08:49:57 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 9:22:37 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121347357.901760.151090@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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17 Jul 2005 01:38:29 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
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"I know you are a coward, you know you are a coward." --Osprey
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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17 Jul 2005 10:13:42 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
18 Jul 2005 05:49:17 AM |
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On 17 Jul 2005 22:13:42 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
Ok, Patpack--you could at least have forwarded me a splatter alert.
;-)
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18 Jul 2005 11:16:40 PM |
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Sneekers <coadviolators@mail.com> writes:
On 17 Jul 2005 22:13:42 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
Ok, Patpack--you could at least have forwarded me a splatter alert. ;-)
That should even us out, so far. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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19 Jul 2005 05:30:21 AM |
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On 18 Jul 2005 23:16:40 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Sneekers <coadviolators@mail.com> writes:
On 17 Jul 2005 22:13:42 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
Ok, Patpack--you could at least have forwarded me a splatter alert. ;-)
That should even us out, so far. ;-)
:-P
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17 Jul 2005 10:58:33 PM |
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On 17 Jul 2005 22:13:42 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
Well, probably not unless Mary Anne lets her get it in the kitchen
where he likes to keep her...
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18 Jul 2005 12:32:24 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> writes:
On 17 Jul 2005 22:13:42 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:49:57 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkpstiryka.fsf@eris.io.com>):
Abortion is about terminating pregancy, which means..to kill a human
being.
So you married a murderer? :o)
It's okay if he does it...not okay if anyone else does it.
I wonder how his wife feels about his latest internet antics. :o)
I wonder if she's even aware that there's such a thing as an Internet...
Well, probably not unless Mary Anne lets her get it in the kitchen
where he likes to keep her...
I'd hate to be around Spud if his wife ever gets her hands on the concept of
knowledge == power...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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14 Jul 2005 07:49:08 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 6:52:26 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1121338346.825772.318580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
You support a woman's right to choose to abort for the following
reasons.
a) she is not ready, financially
b) she has not finished her goals and having a child will delay her
getting her goals, such as school
c) she simply doesn't want to be a mother
d) She blames her family (like your wife did after she killed her child).
--
"I never admitted I lied about you or Barnes"
"Second, the criminal records of people I dug up are real. Just because
they match your name, doesn't mean I lied. I didn't." --Osprey (defending his
lies)
<snip>
"You gave me no other choice, you guys wouldn't stop with your lies and
childish name calling." --Osprey (Admitting he lied and blaming others for
his actions)
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 09:45:30 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:11:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<LE6Be.66835$ho.44117@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
What he did was wrong and he got what he deserved.
You think he deserves 19 years in prison for sending hoax anthrax
letters?
I still present the fact that no one was harmed by Mr. Wagner's actions.
No one was harmed?
Exactly what I mentioned.
I seriously doubt that, the mental torment that
some of these individuals may have gone through or the physchological
trauma alone is harm.
It really isn't on a par with actual physical harm.
Where are the documented, itemized costs associated with this alleged mental
torment?
Do I think he deserved to get 19 years? With
terrorism being what it is today, yes.
You're in with the wimps now?
Also keep in mind, most likely
he will not even serve that. If they have Truth in Sentencing, he will
have to serve 85% of that time, but most likely he will get out and
hopefully not do that ever again.
I woudl hope he would be released eventually.
I would say the same thing about anyone who used terroristic threats,
no matter what side they are on. What he did was wrong, absolutely
wrong.
Why are you falling into the mire of Pro-Choicer by calling him a terrorist?
And while I will most likely agree with a lot of your opinions,
I will disagree that there was no harm.
I have seen nothing that documents any actual harm to any individual in this
case other than the harm done to Mr. Wagner by denying him liberty in the
U.S.A. of which he is a citizen.
I suppose you would contend that burning down an empty building does
no harm. If the twin towers had been empty would you say no harm was
done to anyone by destroying them?
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 02:27:44 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:11:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
I suppose you would contend that burning down an empty building does
no harm. If the twin towers had been empty would you say no harm was
done to anyone by destroying them?
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I think Johnny is one of those men who see normal every day women as sluts.
They can't get past the fact that woman are little different than men - both
enjoy sex! They want to believe women only want sex to conceive a child.
He feels if the woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a child - she's somehow
a ***** who should now pay for her sex acts by being forced to produce an
unwanted child. A child she will neither love or take good care of. A
child she will resent. Or the child will be dumped on the State with almost
no chance to be adopted (unless it's healthy, white and less than a year
old). We the taxpayers are then stuck supporting it even after it ends up
in prison..........
--
CR
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 04:15:22 PM |
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"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:11:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
I suppose you would contend that burning down an empty building does
no harm. If the twin towers had been empty would you say no harm was
done to anyone by destroying them?
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I think Johnny is one of those men who see normal every day women as
sluts.
They can't get past the fact that woman are little different than men -
both
enjoy sex! They want to believe women only want sex to conceive a child.
He feels if the woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a child - she's
somehow
a ***** who should now pay for her sex acts by being forced to produce an
unwanted child.
You are again relying on your misconceptions about me by acting as if only
women are involved in pregnancies?
A child she will neither love or take good care of.
And, what woman would be that unloving?
A
child she will resent.
Why?
Because she was raped?
Or the child will be dumped on the State
Is that a good idea?
How are you not burdening the system with such a provision?
with almost
no chance to be adopted (unless it's healthy, white and less than a year
old).
Should other people take care of children who are not wanted by their own
parents?
We the taxpayers are then stuck supporting it even after it ends up
in prison..........
Because you are in favor of placing children into State foster programs?
--
CR
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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When will you realize that some of the sickos are persons who make these
diagnoses?
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
14 Jul 2005 12:34:56 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:JufBe.53026$qm.45649@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
I think Johnny is one of those men who see normal every day women as
sluts.
They can't get past the fact that woman are little different than men -
both
enjoy sex! They want to believe women only want sex to conceive a
child.
He feels if the woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a child - she's
somehow
a ***** who should now pay for her sex acts by being forced to produce an
unwanted child.
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You are again relying on your misconceptions about me by acting as if only
women are involved in pregnancies?
$$ Have you demanded we castrate the men involved?
A child she will neither love or take good care of.
And, what woman would be that unloving?
$$ Plenty of them - get your head out of the sand. Don't you read the
newspapers and watch TV?
A
child she will resent.
Why?
Because she was raped?
$$ Because she didn't plan or want it - what has that got o do with rape?
Or the child will be dumped on the State
Is that a good idea?
$$ Are you suggesting she dump it on the street somewhere? A ladies public
toilet perhaps?
How are you not burdening the system with such a provision?
$$ What provision?
with almost
no chance to be adopted (unless it's healthy, white and less than a year
old).
Should other people take care of children who are not wanted by their own
parents?
$$ You tell me.
We the taxpayers are then stuck supporting it even after it ends up
in prison..........
Because you are in favor of placing children into State foster programs?
$$ Where do you suggest the abandoned infants get sent?
When will you realize that some of the sickos are persons who make these
diagnoses?
$$ Proof...?
--
CR..........
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
14 Jul 2005 07:33:16 AM |
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"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42d5f2a4$0$3620$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:JufBe.53026$qm.45649@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
I think Johnny is one of those men who see normal every day women as
sluts.
They can't get past the fact that woman are little different than men -
both
enjoy sex! They want to believe women only want sex to conceive a
child.
He feels if the woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a child - she's
somehow
a ***** who should now pay for her sex acts by being forced to produce
an
unwanted child.
==============================================
You are again relying on your misconceptions about me by acting as if
only
women are involved in pregnancies?
$$ Have you demanded we castrate the men involved?
A child she will neither love or take good care of.
And, what woman would be that unloving?
$$ Plenty of them - get your head out of the sand. Don't you read the
newspapers and watch TV?
Why do you support them then?
Why are you for creating such people?
I did NOT drop the bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and I had no slaves.
I am sick of this ***** that is trying to put our nation at war.
A
child she will resent.
Why?
Because she was raped?
$$ Because she didn't plan or want it - what has that got o do with rape?
If she had consensual sex she knew she could get pregnant, which is as if
she planed for it and wanted it.
Why are yo so stupid?
Why are you for stupid people above smarter people?
Why are you for wimps?
Or the child will be dumped on the State
Is that a good idea?
$$ Are you suggesting she dump it on the street somewhere? A ladies
public
toilet perhaps?
Is it my child?
How are you not burdening the system with such a provision?
$$ What provision?
with almost
no chance to be adopted (unless it's healthy, white and less than a
year
old).
Should other people take care of children who are not wanted by their own
parents?
$$ You tell me.
I say no.
If their own parents do not want them then why should anyone else want them?
We the taxpayers are then stuck supporting it even after it ends up
in prison..........
Because you are in favor of placing children into State foster programs?
$$ Where do you suggest the abandoned infants get sent?
Abandoned by their parents?
Why not just let them die sicne their own parents did not want them and stop
burdening people who do like their children down with other people's
*****.
When will you realize that some of the sickos are persons who make these
diagnoses?
$$ Proof...?
Their words. Their behaviors. Their lies.
--
CR..........
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP*
demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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