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Topic:	Science > Abortion
User:	"james g. keegan jr."
Date:	11 Jul 2005 06:24:46 PM
Object:	Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison

Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to
Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison
11 Jul 2005
US District Judge Anita Brody on Thursday sentenced antiabortion advocate
Clayton Waagner to 19 years in prison without the possibility of parole
for several federal convictions, including threatening to use a weapon of
mass destruction, the... Allentown Morning Call reports. Waagner in 2001
mailed hundreds of letters signed by the antiabortion group Army of God
and claiming to be contaminated with anthrax to clinics that perform
abortions, causing some clinics to be evacuated and closed to deal with
the scare (Grossman, Allentown Morning Call, 7/8). In October 2002,
Waagner pleaded not guilty to a 79-count indictment on federal terrorism
charges that was issued in relation to the mailings, which went to
abortion providers in 24 states. A federal jury in Philadelphia in
December 2003 convicted Waagner on 51 federal charges -- including
violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, extortion, and
making and mailing threatening communications -- but acquitted him on two
charges relating to an Internet posting that listed 42 abortion clinic
employees whom he allegedly wanted to kill (Kaiser Daily Reproductive
Health Report, 8/25/04). Waagner currently is serving a 49-year prison
sentence on weapons' possession and prison escape convictions in Illinois
and Ohio.
Terrorism Charges
Waagner -- who represented himself during the sentencing -- asked Brody
to delay the sentencing so he could plead guilty to other pending federal
charges, but Brody denied the request (Shiffman, Philadelphia Inquirer,
7/8). Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Barrett had urged Brody to issue a
life sentence in the case, which would have been possible if the judge
concluded Waagner had committed acts of terrorism (Allentown Morning
Call, 7/8). Waagner mailed his letters during the anthrax scares that
followed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "He wanted to exploit the moment
to use the anxiety and panic caused by those other terrorist acts to fuel
his own brand of terror," Barrett said (AP/Yahoo! News, 7/7). However,
federal law defines an act of terrorism as an act against the government,
and Brody said Waagner was "solely interested in retaliating" against
abortion providers (Allentown Morning Call, 7/8).
Waagner Comments, Reaction
Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8). Dayle Steinberg -- president
and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania, whose clinics
received some of Waagner's letters -- said, "We're relieved. He's where
he should be" (Smith, Philadelphia Daily News, 7/8).
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=27290
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User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 05:32:49 AM

On 12 Jul 2005 20:00:45 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkirzfr03m.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

:"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
:news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> Johnny wrote:
:>> So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?

:> Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
:> caused.

:Stress and fear? Where was the actual harm done to any person by Mr. Wagner?

Ask someone who got one of his letters.

:> He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.

:He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?

Why don't you find out? You *can* Google, can't you?

:> He is lucky it was only 19 years.

:I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.

So, if I sent you a similar letter, you'd just laugh at it? I suspect you'd
go even more psycho than you already are...

Are you sure that is possible?
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User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 09:33:12 PM

Attila <prochoice@here.now> writes:
:On 12 Jul 2005 20:00:45 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
:in alt.abortion with message-id <szkirzfr03m.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
:>"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:>:"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
:>:news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:>:> Johnny wrote:
:>:>> So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
:>:> Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
:>:> caused.
:>:Stress and fear? Where was the actual harm done to any person by
:>:Mr. Wagner?
:>Ask someone who got one of his letters.
:>:> He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.
:>:He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?
:>Why don't you find out? You *can* Google, can't you?
:>:> He is lucky it was only 19 years.
:>:I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.
:>So, if I sent you a similar letter, you'd just laugh at it? I suspect you'd
:>go even more psycho than you already are...
:Are you sure that is possible?
If it's at all possible, Wentzky will find a way to do it.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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User: "Somewriter"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 06:30:37 AM

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:32:49 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On 12 Jul 2005 20:00:45 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkirzfr03m.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:

Are you sure that is possible?

I realize that's a rhetorical question, but yes. Johnny could take it
a step further, but so far his mania is contained in here, as it
appears.
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User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 09:34:46 PM

Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
:On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:32:49 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
:>On 12 Jul 2005 20:00:45 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
:>in alt.abortion with message-id <szkirzfr03m.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
:>>"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:>>:"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
:>>:news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:>>:> Johnny wrote:
:>>:>> So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
:>>:> Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
:>>:> caused.
:>>:Stress and fear? Where was the actual harm done to any person by
:>>:Mr. Wagner?
:>>Ask someone who got one of his letters.
:>>:> He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.
:>>:He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?
:>>Why don't you find out? You *can* Google, can't you?
:>>:> He is lucky it was only 19 years.
:>>:I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.
:>>So, if I sent you a similar letter, you'd just laugh at it? I suspect you'd
:>>go even more psycho than you already are...
:>Are you sure that is possible?
:I realize that's a rhetorical question, but yes. Johnny could take it a step
:further, but so far his mania is contained in here, as it appears.
Count me among those who are thankful he hasn't decided to take it to real
life yet.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	12 Jul 2005 04:41:40 PM

Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?

Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
caused.

Stress and fear?
Where was the actual harm done to any person by Mr. Wagner?

Stress and fear are actual harm. Communicating threats, particularly
death threats, is illegal, and a felony in this case.
However, the other harm includes, from each of the over 200 instances,
loss of business from each clinic, patients of each clinic not getting
the treatment that they were there for which resulted in them losing
time at work twice and attendent pay and sick/vacation time while still
being forced to suffer whatever brought them there in the first place,
time and money of the police departments to collect and test the
material, biohazard containment and decontamination, and I am sure
other items.

He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.

He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?

Yes. Actually, he said that they were already dead from anthrax.

He is lucky it was only 19 years.

I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.

However, he did use the US Postal service to send over 200 felonious
threats. Each instance of the threat carries a penalty of at least
several months to several years. Multiply that by 200, and you see
that he did not get what he deserved.
It does not matter that he did not kill anyone. That does not matter
in any case of sending death threats and making terroristic threats.
What matters is the actions that he actually took, which were purely
terroristic and completely illegal.
And I hope that the 19 years is not concurrent with the 49 years that
he got for other parts of his sentences. At least the 19 is without
parole, however.
Mark Sebree
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User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	12 Jul 2005 09:45:30 PM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121204500.916129.265120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

And I hope that the 19 years is not concurrent with the 49 years that
he got for other parts of his sentences. At least the 19 is without
parole, however.

=================
The young man who sent these threats sounds like the type who goes over the
edge one day, buys a rifle and starts murdering Dr's and clinic workers.
The psycho should be put away for life.
--
CR..........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
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force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 07:03:19 AM

"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:42d47977$0$3572$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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And I hope that the 19 years is not concurrent with the 49 years that
he got for other parts of his sentences. At least the 19 is without
parole, however.

there are many who agree.
there are also many who think that some of neocons who have posted here
have the same potential, although i suspect that having the opportunity to
voice their hatred here may diminish the possibility that they'd act on
their hatred in their real life.
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User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 02:01:07 PM

"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in

The young man who sent these threats sounds like the type who goes
over the edge one day, buys a rifle and starts murdering Dr's and
clinic workers. The psycho should be put away for life.

=================

there are many who agree.

there are also many who think that some of neocons who have posted here
have the same potential, although i suspect that having the opportunity to
voice their hatred here may diminish the possibility that they'd act on
their hatred in their real life.

=============================
I agree with you 100%! Their pathological hatred for women is quite
obvious. But then the day comes when that's not enough - like when a serial
killer moves from killing cats and dogs to killing humans.
--
CR.....
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
========================================
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 05:59:26 AM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?

Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
caused.

Stress and fear?
Where was the actual harm done to any person by Mr. Wagner?

Stress and fear are actual harm.

Sorry, wimp.
I saw no mention of any cost of stress and/or fear in this case.
Where are the actual costs attributable to any individual's stress and/or
fear in this case?

Communicating threats, particularly
death threats, is illegal, and a felony in this case.

Where are the alleged threats?
I see no threats.
I only see a coward, you, hurling vapid accusations at a Pro-Life activist.

However, the other harm includes, from each of the over 200 instances,
loss of business from each clinic,

No direct harm done to any individual by Mr. Wagner.

patients of each clinic not getting
the treatment that they were there for which resulted in them losing
time at work twice and attendent pay and sick/vacation time while still
being forced to suffer whatever brought them there in the first place,
time and money of the police departments to collect and test the
material, biohazard containment and decontamination, and I am sure
other items.

So, the clinic was negligent, and the cops were on a 'wild goose chase',
huh?
No actual harm was directly caused by Mr. Wagner.

He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.

He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?

Yes. Actually, he said that they were already dead from anthrax.

How is "already dead" a threat?
Looks like he scared them.
Looks like they ***** their pants from what he sent them.

He is lucky it was only 19 years.

I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.

However, he did use the US Postal service to send over 200 felonious
threats.

I see no proof that what he sent was a threat.

Each instance of the threat carries a penalty of at least
several months to several years.

Why is it that Mr. Wagner's liberty has been denied by the people of
Pro-Choice that threatened his freedom?

Multiply that by 200, and you see
that he did not get what he deserved.

*****.
I see that he was mistrerated by the evil, oppressive oligarchy.

It does not matter that he did not kill anyone.

How can you be such a fool?
How can you make such a stupid statement?
Read what you typed there.
It matters much that he did NOT kill anyone.

That does not matter
in any case of sending death threats and making terroristic threats.

What threat?

What matters is the actions that he actually took, which were purely
terroristic and completely illegal.

Wrong.
Your definitions are corrupt.

And I hope that the 19 years is not concurrent with the 49 years that
he got for other parts of his sentences. At least the 19 is without
parole, however.

Which means you will be happy to serve the remainder of his term when he
gets out, right?
.

User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 06:55:28 PM

Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121204500.916129.265120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121178716.770666.48070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?

Everyone that he sent letters to, from the stress and fear that it
caused.

Stress and fear?
Where was the actual harm done to any person by Mr. Wagner?

Stress and fear are actual harm.

Sorry, wimp.

You are the only wimp here.

I saw no mention of any cost of stress and/or fear in this case.

Those costs are hard to put exact numbers on, but they do exist and
they are costly over time.

Where are the actual costs attributable to any individual's stress and/or
fear in this case?

Why should those numbers even matter? His intent was to terrorize
honest, hard working doctors and medical staff at a clinic that was
providing legal services to their patients with the intent of scaring
those people into shutting the clinic down and depriving the local
citizens of their services.

Communicating threats, particularly
death threats, is illegal, and a felony in this case.

Where are the alleged threats?

In the letters that he sent. Which means there is lots of evidence of
his crimes.

I see no threats.

Stating that the letter is filled with anthrax power and you are
infected with a deadly disease is a death threat.

I only see a coward, you, hurling vapid accusations at a Pro-Life activist.

The only coward is you, and you are defending a terrorist who cares
nothing for anyone else. The "accusations" are supported by hard
evidence and his own testimony.

However, the other harm includes, from each of the over 200 instances,
loss of business from each clinic,

No direct harm done to any individual by Mr. Wagner.

Yes, there was. Causing fear and terror is direct harm.

So, the clinic was negligent, and the cops were on a 'wild goose chase',
huh?

The clinics were not negligent. They closed down to prevent the
possible spread of a possibly deadly contagion to the populous, and
they called the police to report a felony and a possible biohazard.
And there was obviously no "wild goose chase" since the perpetrator of
the felony was caught.
And all this cost the tax payers millions of dollars total.

No actual harm was directly caused by Mr. Wagner.

There was plenty of direct harm. Causing fear and terror is an example
of direct harm. Scaring law abiding citizens to close down needed
services, and this deny people that later need those services is direct
harm.

He broke the law by sending death threats to hundreds of people.

He sent death threats saying that he was going to kill them?

Yes. Actually, he said that they were already dead from anthrax.

How is "already dead" a threat?

He is telling them he had given them a deadly disease. That is a death
threat.

Looks like he scared them.

And that is an example of a threat.

Looks like they ***** their pants from what he sent them.

And what he sent them was a death threat.

He is lucky it was only 19 years.

I disagree with you there because he did not kill anyone.

However, he did use the US Postal service to send over 200 felonious
threats.

I see no proof that what he sent was a threat.

That is because you refuse to look. There are hundreds of examples of
these threats that were presented into evidence at his trial.

Each instance of the threat carries a penalty of at least
several months to several years.

Why is it that Mr. Wagner's liberty has been denied by the people of
Pro-Choice that threatened his freedom?

Because he committed hundreds of felonies, starting with escaping from
prison, and including sending hundreds of death threats. He broke the
law.

Multiply that by 200, and you see
that he did not get what he deserved.

*****.

The only ***** in evidence is your own.

I see that he was mistrerated by the evil, oppressive oligarchy.

He broke the law. He was sentenced under the law. How is that
mistreatment?

From what I can tell, you are the one that wants to establish and evil,

oppressive oligarchy, preferably based on your oppressive theological
beliefs.

It does not matter that he did not kill anyone.

How can you be such a fool?

I am not a fool. I am telling you the truth.

How can you make such a stupid statement?

Because the statement is a statement of fact.

Read what you typed there.
It matters much that he did NOT kill anyone.

That is why he only got 19 years, and not multiple life sentences or
the death penalty.
Sending people death threats is a crime. It does not matter whether or
not you kill someone for the threat to be a crime.

That does not matter
in any case of sending death threats and making terroristic threats.

What threat?

The death threat that the letters contained.

What matters is the actions that he actually took, which were purely
terroristic and completely illegal.

Wrong.

I am right.

Your definitions are corrupt.

I am not using my definitions, I am using the legal definitions.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar41/
IC 35-41-1-11
"Forcible felony" defined
Sec. 11. "Forcible felony" means a felony that involves the use or
threat of force against a human being, or in which there is imminent
danger of bodily injury to a human being.
IC 35-41-1-26.5
"Terrorism" defined
Sec. 26.5. "Terrorism" means the unlawful use of force or violence
or the unlawful threat of force or violence to intimidate or coerce a
government or all or part of the civilian population.
IC 35-45-2-1
Intimidation
Sec. 1. (a) A person who communicates a threat to another person,
with the intent:
(1) that the other person engage in conduct against the other
person's will;
(2) that the other person be placed in fear of retaliation for
a prior lawful act; or
(3) of causing:
(A) a dwelling, a building, or another structure; or
(B) a vehicle;
to be evacuated;
commits intimidation, a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) However, the offense is a:
(1) Class D felony if:
(A) the threat is to commit a forcible felony;
(B) the person to whom the threat is communicated:
(i) is a law enforcement officer;
(ii) is a judge or bailiff of any court;
(iii) is a witness (or the spouse or child of a
witness) in any pending criminal proceeding against the person making
the threat;
(iv) is an employee of a school corporation; or
(v) is a community policing volunteer;
(C) the person has a prior unrelated conviction for an
offense under this section concerning the same victim; or
(D) the threat is communicated using property, including
electronic equipment or systems, of a school corporation or other
governmental entity; and
(2) Class C felony if, while committing it, the person draws or
uses a deadly weapon.
(c) "Threat" means an expression, by words or action, of an
intention to:
(1) unlawfully injure the person threatened or another person,
or damage property;
(2) unlawfully subject a person to physical confinement or
restraint;
(3) commit a crime;
(4) unlawfully withhold official action, or cause such
withholding;
(5) unlawfully withhold testimony or information with respect
to another person's legal claim or defense, except for a reasonable
claim for witness fees or expenses;
(6) expose the person threatened to hatred, contempt, disgrace,
or ridicule;
(7) falsely harm the credit or business reputation of the
person threatened; or
(8) cause the evacuation of a dwelling, a building, another
structure, or a vehicle.
What he did meets the requirements for a Class D Felony, a threat,
which is defined as an expression by words of an intention to
unlawfully injure another person, subject him to constraint (biohazard
isolation), and cause the evacuation of a building, by means of a
forcible felony, defined as the threat for force against the person to
cause him immediate bodily injury. It also fulfills the definition of
terrorism, since it was a threat of force to coerce and intimidate part
of he civilian population.
I can back up my statements with objective and checkable facts. Can
you back up the reasons that you question these facts? I thought not.

And I hope that the 19 years is not concurrent with the 49 years that
he got for other parts of his sentences. At least the 19 is without
parole, however.

Which means you will be happy to serve the remainder of his term when he
gets out, right?

Wrong, as usual. I neither agree with him, his methods, or his
philosophy. However, since you do, you should be glad to serve his
term for him and with him. I want him to serve as his crimes dictate,
which is much longer than the sentence he got.
Mark Sebree
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 08:26:16 PM

You consider flour a threat?
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User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	13 Jul 2005 09:51:52 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:You consider flour a threat?
You consider sanity a threat...and you obviously ignored Mark's illustration
from the Indiana code. You're going to whine because your hero confessed to
his crimes, and is going to be spending years in the slammer. You're
defending a known terrorist. What would Homeland Insecurity think?
--
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LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
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User: "LeMod Pol"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters toAbortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	14 Jul 2005 04:00:07 AM

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be
Terror was the objective and it was effective.
Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some
of the recipients of his letters were still
traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly
demonstrated that I am the antiabortion extremist,
a terrorist to the abortion industry. There's no
question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8).
Do you still want to ask your question??????
--
LP
Those who show compassion to perpetrators of
evil will display indifference and cruelty
to good people deserving compassion.
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	14 Jul 2005 07:15:47 AM

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
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Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some
of the recipients of his letters were still
traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly
demonstrated that I am the antiabortion extremist,
a terrorist to the abortion industry. There's no
question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8).

And, many people share his feelings.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?
Did I want to?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Do you understand how people like me laugh at the cowards of society?
The fools.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this situation?
Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	16 Jul 2005 08:40:22 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ---- just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?

Send a letter like Waagner did and send it to your local police, with the note
claiming that it's anthrax. Expect a quick response from them, and a
prolonged absence from this newsgroup as a consequence.

It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.

If it's not anthrax, it must be flour? It could have been baking soda,
genius. (See what binary thinking gets you? Kids, don't be like John
D. Wentzky!)

The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

The fact is, the law applied in this case was logical, which means you
obviously can't understand it.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

Look who's doing the laughing - a certified psycho in South Carolina.

Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any way
I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8).

And, many people share his feelings.

So why aren't you taking up his cause, or do you not believe in what he did?
(You can't even get your story straight but you don't hesitate to proclaim how
superior you are to the rest of is? No wonder you're laughed at by so many.)

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?

You evidently consider anyone not as insane as you a threat.

Did I want to? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Do you understand how people like me laugh at
the cowards of society? The fools. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The insane have a tendency to laugh at things they can never understand. So
what's your point?

Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this situation?

Do you have any idea that no one cares about your fantasy?

Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

It's easy to see who the psycho is in this thread: one John D. Wentzky of
Anderson, SC. Take a bow.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	17 Jul 2005 08:34:04 AM

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk7jfqtdkp.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ---- just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?

Send a letter like Waagner did and send it to your local police, with the
note
claiming that it's anthrax. Expect a quick response from them, and a
prolonged absence from this newsgroup as a consequence.

I am not on a mission which does that.

It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.

If it's not anthrax, it must be flour?

In this case, it was flour.
It did not seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
It was flour.

It could have been baking soda,
genius.

Which would have constituted the same level of being a non-threat.

(See what binary thinking gets you? Kids, don't be like John
D. Wentzky!)

Follow the case.
Your fault finding in this instance does nothing to aid the perpetuation of
Pro-Choice.

The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

The fact is, the law applied in this case was logical, which means you
obviously can't understand it.

Logical is all we go on?
What happened to truth and reason?
Why was Mr. Spock Science Officer and not Captain?

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

Look who's doing the laughing - a certified psycho in South Carolina.

I enjoy the laugh.

Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of
his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any
way
I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8).

And, many people share his feelings.

So why aren't you taking up his cause,

It isn't because you seem to want me to at times.

or do you not believe in what he did?

Whether I believe in what he did or his methods is irrelevant to what I
desire to be policy in the USA.
I do not accuse him of terrorism, because his fight was not against the
entire nation.
If there were any threat at all it was miniscule to almost non-existent upon
the people of the USA.
The vindictiveness of Pro-Choice and the tendency of the government to
support it is what I consider to be a theat here to our quality of life.

(You can't even get your story straight but you don't hesitate to proclaim
how
superior you are to the rest of is? No wonder you're laughed at by so
many.)

I never said I never committed a faux paus somehow or another.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?

You evidently consider anyone not as insane as you a threat.

Who even cares if there was a threat or not if there was no damage done or
damge done?

Did I want to? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Do you understand how people like me laugh
at
the cowards of society? The fools. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The insane have a tendency to laugh at things they can never understand.
So
what's your point?

Not being able to understand abortion on demand is not a fault of Pro-Life
activists.

Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this situation?

Do you have any idea that no one cares about your fantasy?

You finished the new Harry Potter book yet, fantasy boy?

Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and
see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

It's easy to see who the psycho is in this thread: one John D. Wentzky of
Anderson, SC. Take a bow.

You wish that were the case, yet you know it isn't, and your vain attempts
at labelling me as such are futile.
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	17 Jul 2005 10:52:29 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk7jfqtdkp.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ---- just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?

Send a letter like Waagner did and send it to your local police, with the
note claiming that it's anthrax. Expect a quick response from them, and a
prolonged absence from this newsgroup as a consequence.

I am not on a mission which does that.

You're on a mission to propagate your insanity. Have a sane adult explain the
point you keep avoiding.

It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.

If it's not anthrax, it must be flour?

In this case, it was flour. It did not seem to be anthrax when it was
tested. It was flour.

....which has nothing to do with your implied assertion above.

It could have been baking soda, genius.

Which would have constituted the same level of being a non-threat.

You don't get to decide that. The people who get such letters do. That's why
Waagner may actually live to see a day out of prison (if he's uncommonly lucky
for 19 years).

(See what binary thinking gets you? Kids, don't be like John D. Wentzky!)

Follow the case. Your fault finding in this instance does nothing to aid the
perpetuation of Pro-Choice.

The facts of being pro-choice do nothing to make an insane nutter like you
look credible.

The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

The fact is, the law applied in this case was logical, which means you
obviously can't understand it.

Logical is all we go on?

Logical is what you're incapable of.

What happened to truth and reason?

You turned your back on both of them a decade (and more) ago, by your own
choice.

Why was Mr. Spock Science Officer and not Captain?

Why don't you ask Gene Roddenberry?

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

Look who's doing the laughing - a certified psycho in South Carolina.

I enjoy the laugh.

You just admitted to being a certified psycho in SOuth Carolina.

Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8).

And, many people share his feelings.

So why aren't you taking up his cause,

It isn't because you seem to want me to at times.

I don't think you should, because your neighbors don't deserve that.

or do you not believe in what he did?

Whether I believe in what he did or his methods is irrelevant to what I
desire to be policy in the USA.

You want your hallucinations to be the law, end of story. You've only striven
to make that painfully obvious.

I do not accuse him of terrorism, because his fight was not against the
entire nation.

....just those who didn't believe as he did.

If there were any threat at all it was miniscule to almost non-existent upon
the people of the USA.

You don't get to judge that.

The vindictiveness of Pro-Choice and the tendency of the government to
support it is what I consider to be a theat here to our quality of life.

Pack your bags and leave, if it's that irksome to you. Meanwhile, people like
me will stay here and defend our country from kooks like you (including, of
course, your philosophical soulmates who actually get into positions of
political power).

(You can't even get your story straight but you don't hesitate to proclaim
how superior you are to the rest of is? No wonder you're laughed at by so
many.)

I never said I never committed a faux paus somehow or another.

Nixon never said he ordered the Watergate break-in, and look what happened to
him.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?

You evidently consider anyone not as insane as you a threat.

Who even cares if there was a threat or not if there was no damage done or
damge done?

You're the gibbering loon who thinks no damage was done. Tell that fairy tale
to clinics that were affected by Waagner's stunt.

Did I want to? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Do you understand how people like me laugh
at the cowards of society? The fools. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The insane have a tendency to laugh at things they can never understand.
So what's your point?

Not being able to understand abortion on demand is not a fault of Pro-Life
activists.

No, all too many of your comrades refuse to be able to accept the fact that
it's none of their business what any woman chooses to do with her pregnancy.

Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this situation?

Do you have any idea that no one cares about your fantasy?

You finished the new Harry Potter book yet, fantasy boy?

I can't finish anything I've never bought - or started.

Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

It's easy to see who the psycho is in this thread: one John D. Wentzky of
Anderson, SC. Take a bow.

You wish that were the case, yet you know it isn't, and your vain attempts
at labelling me as such are futile.

....except when you respond and substantiate my opinions. Keep up the good
work.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	14 Jul 2005 09:01:20 AM

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<UGsBe.58959$qm.35579@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

And see who is in prison.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	14 Jul 2005 12:31:45 PM

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:5krcd1ho7dpmhakqe12jdd5hjcvkrk471n@4ax.com...

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<UGsBe.58959$qm.35579@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

But, yes, they are being laughed at because they were such fools, and
because they exhibit the characteristics of cowards.
I am laughing at them.
And, so are many others.
They are shamed, demoted, fooled, tools for deception and they will be
deceived further.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

What you think is irrelveant is actually a Constitutional right to be
represented.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

And see who is in prison.

But, who is doing the laughing?
Who is showing no discontent?
It is people like Mr. Waagner and Mr. Rudolph, and Mr. Hill did before he
was executed.
Who is evidencing no shame because of their actions?
It definitely isn't Pro-Choicers.
Who constantly resists the agenda of life?
Pro-Choicers.
Who constantly relies upon court injunctions and resists investigations?
Pro-Choice.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	14 Jul 2005 03:57:34 PM

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<5jxBe.62687$qm.60938@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:5krcd1ho7dpmhakqe12jdd5hjcvkrk471n@4ax.com...

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<UGsBe.58959$qm.35579@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

But, yes, they are being laughed at because they were such fools, and
because they exhibit the characteristics of cowards.

I hear no one laughing, and I assure you the only coward involved here
was convicted and sentenced.

I am laughing at them.

But you aren't anyone.

And, so are many others.

Doubtful.

They are shamed, demoted, fooled, tools for deception and they will be
deceived further.

That sounds like a rant to me.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

What you think is irrelveant is actually a Constitutional right to be
represented.

He was convicted in a court of law. You do not determine what is or
is not a Constitutional right. You do not have that power.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

And see who is in prison.

But, who is doing the laughing?

No one.

Who is showing no discontent?

Almost everyone.

It is people like Mr. Waagner and Mr. Rudolph, and Mr. Hill did before he
was executed.

I like that - executed..

Who is evidencing no shame because of their actions?

Who cares as long as they are locked away?

It definitely isn't Pro-Choicers.

But we don't need to do so.

Who constantly resists the agenda of life?

Most intelligent people.

Pro-Choicers.

Yep.

Who constantly relies upon court injunctions and resists investigations?

IOW, who relied upon the rule of law? Aren't we all supposed to do
that?

Pro-Choice.

I would hope so!
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	15 Jul 2005 11:41:21 PM

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<5jxBe.62687$qm.60938@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<UGsBe.58959$qm.35579@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

But, yes, they are being laughed at because they were such fools, and
because they exhibit the characteristics of cowards.

I hear no one laughing, and I assure you the only coward involved here
was convicted and sentenced.

I am laughing at them.

But you aren't anyone.

And, so are many others.

Doubtful.

They are shamed, demoted, fooled, tools for deception and they will be
deceived further.

That sounds like a rant to me.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

What you think is irrelveant is actually a Constitutional right to be
represented.

He was convicted in a court of law. You do not determine what is or
is not a Constitutional right.

The Constitution determines what is a Constitutional right.

You do not have that power.

Does it bother you?
I am fully qualified to benefit from every Constitutional provision in the
USA.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?
Did I want to?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Do you understand how people like me laugh at the cowards of society?
The fools.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this
situation?
Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and
see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

And see who is in prison.

But, who is doing the laughing?

No one.

There are probably many people who enjoyed the clinics being in such a
tizzy.

Who is showing no discontent?

Almost everyone.

Is that enough?

It is people like Mr. Waagner and Mr. Rudolph, and Mr. Hill did before he
was executed.

I like that - executed..

Because you like abortion?

Who is evidencing no shame because of their actions?

Who cares as long as they are locked away?

I thought you cared about abortion on demand being legal?

It definitely isn't Pro-Choicers.

But we don't need to do so.

It happens a lot.
Why are they so averse to turning over their records so a lawful
investigation can be performed?

Who constantly resists the agenda of life?

Most intelligent people.

Pro-Choicers.

Yep.

Who constantly relies upon court injunctions and resists investigations?

IOW, who relied upon the rule of law? Aren't we all supposed to do
that?

Which law?

Pro-Choice.

I would hope so!

Why?
You need abortion on demand?
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	16 Jul 2005 05:19:30 AM

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:41:21 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<Sc0Ce.84662$Tt.4802@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<5jxBe.62687$qm.60938@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<UGsBe.58959$qm.35579@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:

"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
news:42D62969.EDEF675A@igs.net...

Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

But, yes, they are being laughed at because they were such fools, and
because they exhibit the characteristics of cowards.

I hear no one laughing, and I assure you the only coward involved here
was convicted and sentenced.

I am laughing at them.

But you aren't anyone.

And, so are many others.

Doubtful.

They are shamed, demoted, fooled, tools for deception and they will be
deceived further.

That sounds like a rant to me.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

What you think is irrelveant is actually a Constitutional right to be
represented.

He was convicted in a court of law. You do not determine what is or
is not a Constitutional right.

The Constitution determines what is a Constitutional right.

You do not determine what is or is not in the Constitution. Your
opinions on the subject are irrelevant and unimportant.

You do not have that power.

Does it bother you?

No at all.

I am fully qualified to benefit from every Constitutional provision in the
USA.

Who said you weren't? You simply cannot determine what they are.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?
Did I want to?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Do you understand how people like me laugh at the cowards of society?
The fools.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this
situation?
Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute and
see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

And see who is in prison.

But, who is doing the laughing?

No one.

There are probably many people who enjoyed the clinics being in such a
tizzy.

I don't doubt it. There is always a certain percentage of loons found
everywhere.

Who is showing no discontent?

Almost everyone.

Is that enough?

Yes.

It is people like Mr. Waagner and Mr. Rudolph, and Mr. Hill did before he
was executed.

I like that - executed..

Because you like abortion?

Because I do not like terrorists and murderers.

Who is evidencing no shame because of their actions?

Who cares as long as they are locked away?

I thought you cared about abortion on demand being legal?

I do.

It definitely isn't Pro-Choicers.

But we don't need to do so.

It happens a lot.
Why are they so averse to turning over their records so a lawful
investigation can be performed?

There is no reason for any special actions in this area which differs
from actions in other health care areas.

Who constantly resists the agenda of life?

Most intelligent people.

Pro-Choicers.

Yep.

Who constantly relies upon court injunctions and resists investigations?

IOW, who relied upon the rule of law? Aren't we all supposed to do
that?

Which law?

Any law.

Pro-Choice.

I would hope so!

Why?
You need abortion on demand?

No, but I support it's remaining available for those who do.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	16 Jul 2005 07:43:45 AM

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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:41:21 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:15:47 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
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"LeMod Pol" <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message
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Johnny Jackass brayed:

You consider flour a threat?

It does not matter what it is ----
just what it seemed to be

How can flour seem to be anthrax in reality?
It didn't seem to be anthrax when it was tested.
So, that means it was flour.
The fact is that it was flour, and that it was NOT anthrax.

Which means he had a lesser charge against him.

Terror was the objective and it was effective.

And, now look who is being laughed at as wimps who live in fear.

No, a law was violated.

But, yes, they are being laughed at because they were such fools, and
because they exhibit the characteristics of cowards.

I hear no one laughing, and I assure you the only coward involved here
was convicted and sentenced.

I am laughing at them.

But you aren't anyone.

And, so are many others.

Doubtful.

They are shamed, demoted, fooled, tools for deception and they will be
deceived further.

That sounds like a rant to me.

And, many people share his feelings.

Irrelevant. He violated a law.

What you think is irrelveant is actually a Constitutional right to be
represented.

He was convicted in a court of law. You do not determine what is or
is not a Constitutional right.

The Constitution determines what is a Constitutional right.

You do not determine what is or is not in the Constitution.

I can easily determine what is or is not in the Constitution by reading it.

Your
opinions on the subject are irrelevant and unimportant.

*****.
I choose not to go with opinion but with the verbatim language of the
Constitution.
Therefore, everything I say is relevant and proper and legal.

You do not have that power.

Does it bother you?

No at all.

How about the rest of society?

I am fully qualified to benefit from every Constitutional provision in the
USA.

Who said you weren't? You simply cannot determine what they are.

I can very easily determine what my Constitutional rights are.
The Constitution is in writing in english.

Do you still want to ask your question??????

You consider flour a threat?
Did I want to?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Do you understand how people like me laugh at the cowards of society?
The fools.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea how content I am to know the truth in this
situation?
Do you know how easy it is to sit back and watch this crazy dispute
and
see
who is a coward and who is not a coward?

And see who is in prison.

But, who is doing the laughing?

No one.

There are probably many people who enjoyed the clinics being in such a
tizzy.

I don't doubt it. There is always a certain percentage of loons found
everywhere.

The percentage of loons in Pro-Choice is close to 100 percent.

Who is showing no discontent?

Almost everyone.

Is that enough?

Yes.

Says you?
The people do NOT agree with you.

It is people like Mr. Waagner and Mr. Rudolph, and Mr. Hill did before
he
was executed.

I like that - executed..

Because you like abortion?

Because I do not like terrorists and murderers.

Yet, Mr Waagner killed no one.
Your vascillations are obvious.

Who is evidencing no shame because of their actions?

Who cares as long as they are locked away?

I thought you cared about abortion on demand being legal?

I do.

To the point of denying liberty to non-murderers?

It definitely isn't Pro-Choicers.

But we don't need to do so.

It happens a lot.
Why are they so averse to turning over their records so a lawful
investigation can be performed?

There is no reason for any special actions in this area which differs
from actions in other health care areas.

What special actions?
All medical records are subject to review in this nation.

Who constantly resists the agenda of life?

Most intelligent people.

Pro-Choicers.

Yep.

Who constantly relies upon court injunctions and resists investigations?

IOW, who relied upon the rule of law? Aren't we all supposed to do
that?

Which law?

Any law.

The law against statutory rape?

Pro-Choice.

I would hope so!

Why?
You need abortion on demand?

No, but I support it's remaining available for those who do.

So, who actually 'needs' abortion on demand?
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User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison	16 Jul 2005 08:32:28 AM

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:43:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
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<8h7Ce.84784$Tt.48567@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:

The Constitution determines what is a Constitutional right.

You do not determine what is or is not in the Constitution.