Science > Abortion > Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison
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Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to
Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison
11 Jul 2005
US District Judge Anita Brody on Thursday sentenced antiabortion advocate
Clayton Waagner to 19 years in prison without the possibility of parole
for several federal convictions, including threatening to use a weapon of
mass destruction, the... Allentown Morning Call reports. Waagner in 2001
mailed hundreds of letters signed by the antiabortion group Army of God
and claiming to be contaminated with anthrax to clinics that perform
abortions, causing some clinics to be evacuated and closed to deal with
the scare (Grossman, Allentown Morning Call, 7/8). In October 2002,
Waagner pleaded not guilty to a 79-count indictment on federal terrorism
charges that was issued in relation to the mailings, which went to
abortion providers in 24 states. A federal jury in Philadelphia in
December 2003 convicted Waagner on 51 federal charges -- including
violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, extortion, and
making and mailing threatening communications -- but acquitted him on two
charges relating to an Internet posting that listed 42 abortion clinic
employees whom he allegedly wanted to kill (Kaiser Daily Reproductive
Health Report, 8/25/04). Waagner currently is serving a 49-year prison
sentence on weapons' possession and prison escape convictions in Illinois
and Ohio.
Terrorism Charges
Waagner -- who represented himself during the sentencing -- asked Brody
to delay the sentencing so he could plead guilty to other pending federal
charges, but Brody denied the request (Shiffman, Philadelphia Inquirer,
7/8). Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Barrett had urged Brody to issue a
life sentence in the case, which would have been possible if the judge
concluded Waagner had committed acts of terrorism (Allentown Morning
Call, 7/8). Waagner mailed his letters during the anthrax scares that
followed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "He wanted to exploit the moment
to use the anxiety and panic caused by those other terrorist acts to fuel
his own brand of terror," Barrett said (AP/Yahoo! News, 7/7). However,
federal law defines an act of terrorism as an act against the government,
and Brody said Waagner was "solely interested in retaliating" against
abortion providers (Allentown Morning Call, 7/8).
Waagner Comments, Reaction
Waagner told the jury he was "tickled" that some of the recipients of his
letters were still traumatized, adding, "It's been clearly demonstrated
that I am the antiabortion extremist, a terrorist to the abortion
industry. There's no question there that I terrorized these people any
way I could" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/8). Dayle Steinberg -- president
and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania, whose clinics
received some of Waagner's letters -- said, "We're relieved. He's where
he should be" (Smith, Philadelphia Daily News, 7/8).
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=27290
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13 Jul 2005 11:11:52 AM |
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"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50 worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that some
U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to be
put away for a very long time.''
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Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why should
we do what he wants done?
What a joke.
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Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us to
fear going to work.''
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Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1-5targetchtjul08,0,5917934.story?page=2&coll=all-newslocal-hed
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13 Jul 2005 10:02:02 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:>"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50 worth
:>of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
:>''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
:>He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
:>couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
:>And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that some
:>U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
:>actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
:>In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
:>Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to be
:>put away for a very long time.''
:Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why should
:we do what he wants done?
:What a joke.
You're the joke, Anderson County Kook. Shutting clinics down and playing hob
with access to medical care for a lot of people is just a joke?
:Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
:followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us to
:fear going to work.''
:Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
Because what she's doing is legal. What your new hero did isn't.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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13 Jul 2005 11:27:14 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:02:02 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkmzoqdr9x.fsf@eris.io.com>):
You're the joke, Anderson County Kook. Shutting clinics down and playing hob
with access to medical care for a lot of people is just a joke?
What do you expect from a 45 year old man living with his daddy. ;o)
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"Anytime an inmate escapes, it is justification for deadly force." --Osprey
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13 Jul 2005 11:28:32 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
:On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:02:02 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
:(in message <szkmzoqdr9x.fsf@eris.io.com>):
:> You're the joke, Anderson County Kook. Shutting clinics down and playing
:> hob with access to medical care for a lot of people is just a joke?
:What do you expect from a 45 year old man living with his daddy. ;o)
Not much - and give him some credit for only being 44. :-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
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13 Jul 2005 10:26:42 PM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50 worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
Go to your nearby airport. Bring a dufflebag with clothes in it. Walk up
to one of the friendly security guards and tell them that you have a
bomb.
See what happens.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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13 Jul 2005 03:28:01 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50 worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
Irrelevant.
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
Irrelevant.
He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
Had he been arrested doing this he would be in jail.
And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that some
U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
Irrelevant.
In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to be
put away for a very long time.''
His actions support this.
-------------------------------
Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why should
we do what he wants done?
Wrong and irrelevant.
What a joke.
-------------------------------
Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us to
fear going to work.''
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Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
Because they do not cause anguish, except in people like you. And you
do not matter.
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13 Jul 2005 04:27:42 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:h6uad11613m4oqrl4db7mrvnpf8m0nekto@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50
worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
Had he been arrested doing this he would be in jail.
You're probably right about that.
Then again, it depends on how long ago it occurred.
He coulda been out on parole already if it was long enough ago.
And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that some
U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
Irrelevant.
To what?
To life and polictics in the USA?
In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to be
put away for a very long time.''
His actions support this.
-------------------------------
Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why should
we do what he wants done?
Wrong and irrelevant.
You, yes.
What a joke.
-------------------------------
Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us
to
fear going to work.''
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Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
Because they do not cause anguish, except in people like you.
Which means they have a case if they are caused anguish and others who are
caused anguish by them are without legal remedy in a nation that has its
children recite "and justice for all"?
And you
do not matter.
Who told you that?
Lies like that really are bad for your cause.
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13 Jul 2005 07:09:40 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:27:42 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<hGfBe.53070$qm.33366@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:h6uad11613m4oqrl4db7mrvnpf8m0nekto@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50
worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
What he enclosed is irrelevant.
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he said.
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
Not at all. His point is irrelevant.
He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
Had he been arrested doing this he would be in jail.
You're probably right about that.
Then again, it depends on how long ago it occurred.
He coulda been out on parole already if it was long enough ago.
Or he could still be there.
And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that some
U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
Irrelevant.
To what?
To life and polictics in the USA?
His beliefs are irrelevant if he performs illegal acts.
In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to be
put away for a very long time.''
His actions support this.
-------------------------------
Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why should
we do what he wants done?
Wrong and irrelevant.
You, yes.
Not at all. Simply pointing out your propaganda.
What a joke.
-------------------------------
Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us
to
fear going to work.''
-------------------------
Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
Because they do not cause anguish, except in people like you.
Which means they have a case if they are caused anguish and others who are
caused anguish by them are without legal remedy in a nation that has its
children recite "and justice for all"?
No.
And you
do not matter.
Who told you that?
No one need to. It was a direct observation. You simply do not
matter.
Lies like that really are bad for your cause.
But it isn't a lie.
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13 Jul 2005 08:47:30 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:53bbd1dnb2s734onduj4rh6fkuj7979t49@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:27:42 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<hGfBe.53070$qm.33366@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:h6uad11613m4oqrl4db7mrvnpf8m0nekto@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"He said that during one of his letter-writing campaigns he put $1.50
worth
of flour in an envelope and enclosed a ''nasty letter.''
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
What he enclosed is irrelevant.
''There is no way on Earth that powder could have hurt someone,'' he
said.
Irrelevant.
Facts are irrelevant to you?
Not at all. His point is irrelevant.
He said he has had abortion clinic employees in the sights of a gun. ''I
couldn't pull the trigger because I couldn't hurt another human being.''
Had he been arrested doing this he would be in jail.
You're probably right about that.
Then again, it depends on how long ago it occurred.
He coulda been out on parole already if it was long enough ago.
Or he could still be there.
And he said his views on abortion are not unusual, pointing out that
some
U.S. Supreme Court members and legislators agree with his stance. ''My
actions are clearly radical. My beliefs are not.''
Irrelevant.
To what?
To life and polictics in the USA?
His beliefs are irrelevant if he performs illegal acts.
In a letter to Brody, the president of a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Alabama called Waagner a ''diabolical, conniving criminal who needs to
be
put away for a very long time.''
His actions support this.
-------------------------------
Some Planned Parenthood executive is so addicted to blood money why
should
we do what he wants done?
Wrong and irrelevant.
You, yes.
Not at all. Simply pointing out your propaganda.
What a joke.
-------------------------------
Another Planned Parenthood employee wrote, ''I hate what he and his
followers stand for and the anguish they cause. I hate that he forces us
to
fear going to work.''
-------------------------
Why doesn't this employee hate herself "for the anguish they cause."
Because they do not cause anguish, except in people like you.
Which means they have a case if they are caused anguish and others who are
caused anguish by them are without legal remedy in a nation that has its
children recite "and justice for all"?
No.
And you
do not matter.
Who told you that?
No one need to. It was a direct observation. You simply do not
matter.
Lies like that really are bad for your cause.
But it isn't a lie.
It is a lie.
You have no idea if you believe that I do not matter.
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13 Jul 2005 09:31:02 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:47:30 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<RtjBe.70292$Tt.53781@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
And you
do not matter.
Who told you that?
No one need to. It was a direct observation. You simply do not
matter.
Lies like that really are bad for your cause.
But it isn't a lie.
It is a lie.
You have no idea if you believe that I do not matter.
Of course you disagree. That has nothing to do with the fact that you
are useless, irrelevant, and unimportant.
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13 Jul 2005 01:49:49 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
He said
You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in doing so,
you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
--
³Why is it ok for blacks to call each other that name then?² --Robert
Heishman (AKA Osprey)
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13 Jul 2005 04:22:39 PM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEFADA980002B69F2DD36B20@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
He said
You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in doing
so,
you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
You do realize you edited my post.
You do realize that I am observing this situation without those rose-colored
abortion spectacles on, don't you?
You do realize that I am not in fear of Pro-Lifers, right?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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13 Jul 2005 06:52:58 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
:news:0001HW.BEFADA980002B69F2DD36B20@news.east.earthlink.net...
:> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
:> (in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
:>> He said
:> You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in doing
:> so, you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
:You do realize you edited my post.
So? It's not exactly a secret that you're not all there.
:You do realize that I am observing this situation without those rose-colored
:abortion spectacles on, don't you?
You do realize that no one else is obliged to be as insane as you, right?
:You do realize that I am not in fear of Pro-Lifers, right?
Of course not...just in fear of anyone not as insane as you, from your own
words.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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13 Jul 2005 06:17:06 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
He said
You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in
doing so, you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
You do realize you edited my post.
one would hope that anyone who had been aware and posting to usenet for a
day or two would have recognized that is the recommended manner of
replying.
You do realize that I am observing this situation without those
rose-colored abortion spectacles on, don't you?
that's a hard one. it is not at all clear that you observe any real things.
You do realize that I am not in fear of Pro-Lifers, right?
tell readers wbout your fears.
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13 Jul 2005 03:28:23 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:49:49 GMT, Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<0001HW.BEFADA980002B69F2DD36B20@news.east.earthlink.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
He said
You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in doing so,
you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
He doesn't care.
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13 Jul 2005 06:50:59 PM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
:On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400, Johnny wrote
:(in message <d2bBe.71234$ho.54235@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
:> He said
:You do realize that you are defending the words of a madman and in doing so,
:you paint a clearer picture of yourself don't you? :o)
Why shouldn't he defend the words of a madman, when he's one himself?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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12 Jul 2005 04:21:22 AM |
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So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
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12 Jul 2005 09:50:30 AM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Jul 2005 02:46:18 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
Pro-Choicers live in fear, and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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:> Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
:>>So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
:> According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
:> so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
:Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
You think sending death threats to clinics via the USPS is legal?
:How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
Ask someone who's received one, and you might learn something.
:No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
No wonder "some people" boils down to one lunatic in Dump Truck, South
Carolina.
:Pro-Choicers live in fear, and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
So try doing what Waagner did and see how others judge your actions.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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12 Jul 2005 05:55:04 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
People like you that are closed minded and uncaring.
Pro-Choicers live in fear,
Because people like you and Clayton do not expect our rights, think
that you can command our servitude, and make threats against our lives,
our property, and out liberty. You are trying to scare us into not
getting legal medical care because YOU happen not to like it.
and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
Not at all. Pro-choice advocates promote liberty and justice. Clayton
broke the law. He tried to inspire terror in others. He was also an
escaped felon. Therefore, he deserves to be put back in prison for a
very, very long time.
Remember, Johnny, YOU are the one that is supporting the illegal
actions of a terrorist and a criminal, not us.
Mark Sebree
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13 Jul 2005 06:17:28 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he would abeen caught?
Seems to me he woudla been better off to have sent actual anthrax letters.
Then his enemies would not have been able to testisfy against him.
Woulda been a much better, and more entertaining story if he had sent real
anthrax.
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
People like you that are closed minded and uncaring.
Your self-deception is noted.
Pro-Choicers live in fear,
Because people like you
LOL!!!!!!!!!
You admit to living in fear?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
That is supposed to clue you in on how you can escape the dread you live in.
It isn't by incarcerating people you think made threats.
and Clayton do not expect our rights, think
that you can command our servitude, and make threats against our lives,
our property, and out liberty. You are trying to scare us into not
getting legal medical care because YOU happen not to like it.
If you can not stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, remember?
and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
Not at all.
*****.
Pro-choice advocates promote liberty and justice.
*****.
Clayton
broke the law.
Which one?
He tried to inspire terror in others. He was also an
escaped felon. Therefore, he deserves to be put back in prison for a
very, very long time.
While you create strife in the USA as a free man?
Remember, Johnny, YOU are the one that is supporting the illegal
actions of a terrorist and a criminal, not us.
You are falsely accusing me there.
I am for liberty and justice for all.
I am NOT some hypocritical abortion on demand social freak who enjoys
liberty while denying it to others.
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13 Jul 2005 07:14:38 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he would abeen caught?
He was an escaped convict. Police tend to put a lot of manpower out to
catch these people.
Seems to me he woudla been better off to have sent actual anthrax letters.
No, because how he would probably be facing the death sentence from
federal court. And he would be likely to receive it, since he would be
a serious mass murderer, with many hundreds of kills to his name.
Then his enemies would not have been able to testisfy against him.
His enemies are the law-abiding people of the USA. And the evidence
does not depend on their testimony, since most of it is physical and
his own words.
Woulda been a much better, and more entertaining story if he had sent real
anthrax.
You seem to be entertained by the deaths and suffering of others. It
is certain that you desire to increase the suffering in the world.
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
People like you that are closed minded and uncaring.
Your self-deception is noted.
No self-deception noted on my end. All the self-deception in this
thread is coming from you.
Pro-Choicers live in fear,
Because people like you
LOL!!!!!!!!!
You admit to living in fear?
No. You, however, seem to fear everyone.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
That is supposed to clue you in on how you can escape the dread you live in.
I do not live in fear or dread. You, however, seem to.
It isn't by incarcerating people you think made threats.
There is plenty of evidence that he made the threats. It is not my
opinion in this that matters, it is the opinion of the prosecutor and
the jury when viewing the evidence.
and Clayton do not expect our rights, think
that you can command our servitude, and make threats against our lives,
our property, and out liberty. You are trying to scare us into not
getting legal medical care because YOU happen not to like it.
If you can not stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, remember?
That is why I am using a fire extinguisher. I can stand the heat,
which is why I am fighting the fire that people like you are starting
and spreading. The fire that I speak of is your hatred, intolerance,
and your desire to harm others and deprive them of their rights.
and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
Not at all.
*****.
I have not been writing any *****.
Pro-choice advocates promote liberty and justice.
*****.
My statement is accurate, which is why you could not counter it with
anything except an ad hominem.
Clayton broke the law.
Which one?
The laws against terrorism, sending people threatening communications,
and the FACE Act. That is just for starters. He also escaped from
prison.
He tried to inspire terror in others. He was also an
escaped felon. Therefore, he deserves to be put back in prison for a
very, very long time.
While you create strife in the USA as a free man?
I am not creating strife. I am fighting to uphold liberty and freedom.
Remember, Johnny, YOU are the one that is supporting the illegal
actions of a terrorist and a criminal, not us.
You are falsely accusing me there.
I seriously doubt it.
I am for liberty and justice for all.
That must be why you fight against it.
I am NOT some hypocritical abortion on demand social freak who enjoys
liberty while denying it to others.
You, however, do desire to deny freedom and liberty to others, and you
want to try to make others bow down and be subjugated to your
oppressive opinions and agenda.
I am not in favor of denying freedom, liberty, and equality to anyone.
However, I also do not think that criminals and terrorists should be
allowed to walk free, the same people who's actions you are defending.
Look back through my posts. I am always arguing for promoting freedom
and equality for everyone, and being inclusive in those freedoms.
However, you are always arguing for denying freedom and equality to
people and groups, and being exclusive of allowing groups that you
dislike the same rights and freedoms that you enjoy. Proof of this
starts with your stands on homosexuals, anti-choice terrorists like
Clayton, abortion providers and defenders, and everyone that disagrees
with you. You refuse to support anything that you say, yet you are
constantly disagreeing with people and tossing around ad hominems.
If you think that something that I or anyone else says is "*****",
then prove that it is ***** by using verifiable, independent facts
with links to them. You are only hurting your position by not
supporting it.
Mark Sebree
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13 Jul 2005 08:45:34 PM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of
terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he would abeen caught?
He was an escaped convict. Police tend to put a lot of manpower out to
catch these people.
Seems to me he woudla been better off to have sent actual anthrax
letters.
No, because how he would probably be facing the death sentence from
federal court. And he would be likely to receive it, since he would be
a serious mass murderer, with many hundreds of kills to his name.
Then his enemies would not have been able to testisfy against him.
His enemies are the law-abiding people of the USA.
You are that ignorant?
And the evidence
does not depend on their testimony, since most of it is physical and
his own words.
Words are not enough to prove harm.
Why is it you are so afraid of words?
Woulda been a much better, and more entertaining story if he had sent
real
anthrax.
You seem to be entertained by the deaths and suffering of others. It
is certain that you desire to increase the suffering in the world.
Your delusion is noted.
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
People like you that are closed minded and uncaring.
Your self-deception is noted.
No self-deception noted on my end.
Plenty of it.
All the self-deception in this
thread is coming from you.
Wrong.
Pro-Choicers live in fear,
Because people like you
LOL!!!!!!!!!
You admit to living in fear?
No. You, however, seem to fear everyone.
I do NOT live in fear of being the target of anti-abortion activists.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
That is supposed to clue you in on how you can escape the dread you live
in.
I do not live in fear or dread. You, however, seem to.
What do I fear?
I hate the unjust running this society.
I hate the unjust being allowed to escape judgement.
It isn't by incarcerating people you think made threats.
There is plenty of evidence that he made the threats.
Why is it you did not cite any threat he made yet?
It is not my
opinion in this that matters, it is the opinion of the prosecutor and
the jury when viewing the evidence.
Flour is lethal?
I would say that they should be clued in on how fragile their abortion on
demand industry has become, and on how jittery they who are employed in it
are.
Sure is an unpopular business to be involved in.
and Clayton do not expect our rights, think
that you can command our servitude, and make threats against our lives,
our property, and out liberty. You are trying to scare us into not
getting legal medical care because YOU happen not to like it.
If you can not stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, remember?
That is why I am using a fire extinguisher.
Your extinguisher has run out of retardant so many times already and it is
not enough to extinguish the continued blazes.
I can stand the heat,
No, you can't.
You are fighting a losing battle.
which is why I am fighting the fire that people like you are starting
and spreading.
You can not overcome it.
The fire that I speak of is your hatred, intolerance,
and your desire to harm others and deprive them of their rights.
Not so.
and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
Not at all.
*****.
I have not been writing any *****.
You do write much crap.
Pro-choice advocates promote liberty and justice.
*****.
My statement is accurate,
Very much untrue.
which is why you could not counter it with
anything except an ad hominem.
Those dead babies sure make you talk a lot of crap.
What is your first dead fetus' name?
Clayton broke the law.
Which one?
The laws against terrorism, sending people threatening communications,
and the FACE Act. That is just for starters. He also escaped from
prison.
None of which inparts fear into any Pro-Life advocate.
He tried to inspire terror in others. He was also an
escaped felon. Therefore, he deserves to be put back in prison for a
very, very long time.
While you create strife in the USA as a free man?
I am not creating strife.
Wrong.
I am fighting to uphold liberty and freedom.
Wrong, again.
Remember, Johnny, YOU are the one that is supporting the illegal
actions of a terrorist and a criminal, not us.
You are falsely accusing me there.
I seriously doubt it.
Your problem.
I am for liberty and justice for all.
That must be why you fight against it.
I am NOT some hypocritical abortion on demand social freak who enjoys
liberty while denying it to others.
You, however, do desire to deny freedom and liberty to others,
Your delusion.
and you
want to try to make others bow down and be subjugated to your
oppressive opinions and agenda.
What a hypocritical statement to make.
Your agenda is the oppressive agenda, the unjust agenda, and the unloving
way.
I am not in favor of denying freedom, liberty, and equality to anyone.
Wrong. You are in here celebrating the imprisonment of one of the USA's own
people who killed no one.
However, I also do not think that criminals and terrorists should be
allowed to walk free, the same people who's actions you are defending.
What a lie.
Look back through my posts. I am always arguing for promoting freedom
and equality for everyone,
I do not see that in your posts.
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13 Jul 2005 10:48:40 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121300078.257423.101160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of
terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he would abeen caught?
He was an escaped convict. Police tend to put a lot of manpower out to
catch these people.
Seems to me he woudla been better off to have sent actual anthrax
letters.
No, because how he would probably be facing the death sentence from
federal court. And he would be likely to receive it, since he would be
a serious mass murderer, with many hundreds of kills to his name.
Then his enemies would not have been able to testisfy against him.
His enemies are the law-abiding people of the USA.
You are that ignorant?
I am far more informed than you are.
And the evidence
does not depend on their testimony, since most of it is physical and
his own words.
Words are not enough to prove harm.
They are when the words convey a definite threat. And the words I was
talking about here was his own testimony.
Why is it you are so afraid of words?
Why are you? You ignore any words and facts that disagree with your
delusions.
Woulda been a much better, and more entertaining story if he had sent
real
anthrax.
You seem to be entertained by the deaths and suffering of others. It
is certain that you desire to increase the suffering in the world.
Your delusion is noted.
The only delusion in evidence is your own.
No wonder some people hate Pro-Choicers so vehemently.
People like you that are closed minded and uncaring.
Your self-deception is noted.
No self-deception noted on my end.
Plenty of it.
None that you can show and support as being delusional. Your own
delusions, however, are legend.
All the self-deception in this
thread is coming from you.
Wrong.
My statement was correct and factual.
Pro-Choicers live in fear,
Because people like you
LOL!!!!!!!!!
You admit to living in fear?
No. You, however, seem to fear everyone.
I do NOT live in fear of being the target of anti-abortion activists.
You fear people that defend freedom, liberty, and equality. You fear
that people will rightly ignore your delusions and intolerance to help
others and make sure that everyone is treated equally and fairly.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
That is supposed to clue you in on how you can escape the dread you live
in.
I do not live in fear or dread. You, however, seem to.
What do I fear?
Freedom, liberty, equality, fair play, kindness, compassion, the facts
dealing with whatever subject you are talking about, and a number of
other things, it would seem.
I hate the unjust running this society.
It is far more just than how you would run it.
I hate the unjust being allowed to escape judgement.
This is an example of how unjust it would be if you ran the country.
You never define what you think is unjust and why it is unjust. To
you, "unjust" is anyone that disregards your opinion in favor of
equality and liberty.
You should not hate the fact that "the unjust [are allowed] to escape
judgment", since in the opinion of a lot of people that are smarter and
wiser than you, you are one of those "unjust" people.
People that break the law and are caught are tried and judged according
to the laws in place at the time of the crime. That is as fair and as
just a system as most people could ask for. If you think that you have
a better one, then describe it to us in detail.
It isn't by incarcerating people you think made threats.
There is plenty of evidence that he made the threats.
Why is it you did not cite any threat he made yet?
Because you have already seen it, and you refuse to accept it.
It is not my
opinion in this that matters, it is the opinion of the prosecutor and
the jury when viewing the evidence.
Flour is lethal?
No, but the anthrax that he said it was is. That makes it a death
threat.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1-5targetchtjul08,0,5917934.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed
"In the letters, he said that the powder would cause severe health
problems and probably death to the people who inhaled it."
This is a death threat. And there was also insecticide in the letters,
which IS poisonous.
I would say that they should be clued in on how fragile their abortion on
demand industry has become, and on how jittery they who are employed in it
are.
People that are constantly harassed and subjected to terroristic
attacks, especially for no reason, have a right to be jittery. And
death threats would make any sane person jittery.
Sure is an unpopular business to be involved in.
It is, however, an important and necessary one. It is only terrorists
like you that want to make it unpopular because you care nothing about
anyone else.
and Clayton do not expect our rights, think
that you can command our servitude, and make threats against our lives,
our property, and out liberty. You are trying to scare us into not
getting legal medical care because YOU happen not to like it.
If you can not stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, remember?
That is why I am using a fire extinguisher.
Your extinguisher has run out of retardant so many times already and it is
not enough to extinguish the continued blazes.
And yet, I have been blowing out your matchstick flames with ease. I
don't need a fire extinguisher for your tiny and insignificant matches.
I can stand the heat,
No, you can't.
I can stand it better than you have been able to. You have shown
yourself to be a nutcase.
You are fighting a losing battle.
That must be why I am winning.
which is why I am fighting the fire that people like you are starting
and spreading.
You can not overcome it.
I can, and I will.
The fire that I speak of is your hatred, intolerance,
and your desire to harm others and deprive them of their rights.
Not so.
That is the fire I speak of, and my description of your agenda and
position is quite accurate. That is why you have not been able to
defend it.
and they deprive others of liberty and justice.
Not at all.
*****.
I have not been writing any *****.
You do write much crap.
You write mountains more than I do. And my "crap", unlike yours, is
filled with facts, cites, and compassion for others.
Pro-choice advocates promote liberty and justice.
*****.
My statement is accurate,
Very much untrue.
My statement is very true and very accurate.
which is why you could not counter it with
anything except an ad hominem.
Those dead babies sure make you talk a lot of crap.
What dead babies? There are no babies involved in an abortion, since
they have all been born.
What is your first dead fetus' name?
I am not a woman, so I have never been pregnant, and thus could not
have given any fetus a name. And if I was getting an abortion, I would
not be giving that embryo a name anyway.
Besides, embryos and fetuses do not have names anyway. Names are not
given until birth.
Clayton broke the law.
Which one?
The laws against terrorism, sending people threatening communications,
and the FACE Act. That is just for starters. He also escaped from
prison.
None of which inparts fear into any Pro-Life advocate.
They do, however, silence anti-choice activists by putting them into
jail for crimes that they commit where they cannot bother anyone. And
that also makes the world a safer place, since it gets kooks off the
street.
He tried to inspire terror in others. He was also an
escaped felon. Therefore, he deserves to be put back in prison for a
very, very long time.
While you create strife in the USA as a free man?
I am not creating strife.
Wrong.
My statement is accurate.
I am fighting to uphold liberty and freedom.
Wrong, again.
My statement is accurate.
Remember, Johnny, YOU are the one that is supporting the illegal
actions of a terrorist and a criminal, not us.
You are falsely accusing me there.
I seriously doubt it.
Your problem.
Yours as well, since you are well know to be a liar and a kook.
I am for liberty and justice for all.
That must be why you fight against it.
I am NOT some hypocritical abortion on demand social freak who enjoys
liberty while denying it to others.
You, however, do desire to deny freedom and liberty to others,
Your delusion.
My statement is based on your own statements and your own posts. That
is the tone you set in when you reply to anyone that disagrees with
you, which is most people.
and you
want to try to make others bow down and be subjugated to your
oppressive opinions and agenda.
What a hypocritical statement to make.
You are the hypocrite in this thread.
Your agenda is the oppressive agenda, the unjust agenda, and the unloving
way.
I guess that is why it promotes justice, liberty, freedom, and
compassion.
I am not in favor of denying freedom, liberty, and equality to anyone.
Wrong. You are in here celebrating the imprisonment of one of the USA's own
people who killed no one.
He, however, broke many laws, an escaped convict, and he is a
terrorist. There is every reason to celebrate the incarceration of
such an uncaring, hateful, and dangerous person.
However, I also do not think that criminals and terrorists should be
allowed to walk free, the same people who's actions you are defending.
What a lie.
My statement is accurate and truthful.
Look back through my posts. I am always arguing for promoting freedom
and equality for everyone,
I do not see that in your posts.
That is because you are delusional, and what you think is freedom is
actually oppression.
Mark Sebree
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13 Jul 2005 07:20:23 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:17:28 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he would abeen caught?
Seems to me he woudla been better off to have sent actual anthrax letters.
Threats were enough to imprison him.
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 08:34:14 AM |
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"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:17:28 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he woulda been caught?
Seems to me he woulda been better off to have sent actual anthrax letters.
Threats were enough to imprison him.
Do you have a link to any of these alleged threats he made?
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 09:52:59 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:34:14 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:mh1ad1hr52t7jjbu6g6uih7ldgr5b4iq56@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:17:28 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he woulda been caught?
Seems to me he woulda been better off to have sent actual anthrax letters.
Threats were enough to imprison him.
Do you have a link to any of these alleged threats he made?
Did you not see the site Keegan linked to this very thread?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=27290
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| Title: Re: Antiabortion Advocate Convicted of Sending Anthrax Hoax Letters to Abortion Clinics Sentenced to 19 Years in Prison |
13 Jul 2005 10:42:12 AM |
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"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:34:14 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:mh1ad1hr52t7jjbu6g6uih7ldgr5b4iq56@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:17:28 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1121208904.855004.105740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:db0lbl$v3t$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
So, who was actually harmed by Mr. Wagner?
According to the resident kook, it's fine to commit acts of
terrorism
so long as you're an incompetant terrorist.\\
Where is the act of terrorism Mr. Wagner performed?
Sending hundreds of letters stating that they were filled with anthrax
with the intent of spreading terror and depriving people of their
right
to desired legal medical care.
How are fake anthrax letters anywhere close to real anthrax letters?
They are felonious threats. If they had actually been filled with
anthrax, his likely would have been charged with hundreds of counts of
first degree murder and attempted murder and gotten the death penalty.
How do you know he woulda been caught?
Seems to me he woulda been better off to have sent actual anthrax
letters.
Threats were enough to imprison him.
Do you have a link to any of these alleged threats he made?
Did you not see the site Keegan linked to this very thread?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=27290
I read it.
Funny thing is where are the words of Mr. Wagner?
Where are the words of Mr. Wagner that would constitute a threat?
Seems those words were not shown in that story.
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