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"J Young" |
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03 Sep 2007 10:55:26 PM |
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'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/artificial_life_claim_could_ra.php
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
The president of an apologetics ministry says Christians should be
concerned that scientists are trying to create life from scratch.
In an article published on AnswersInGenesis.org, J. Craig Venter and
Nobel laureate Hamilton O. Smith were named as the key players in this
venture. Both had a hand in founding Celera Genomics Corp., which
deciphered the human genome.
According to the article, they plan to start with the simplest of life
forms, Mycoplasma genitalium, which has 482 protein-coding genes with
a total of 580,000 letters. The human body has three billion letters
with roughly 30,000 to 50,000 genes.
The scientists claim that it will take between three and ten years to
create this artificial life and that it will only be visible through a
microscope. They say the basic chemicals in DNA would invent new
genetic codes, allowing the man-made life form to function and
reproduce.
Greg Koukl, founder and president of Stand to Reason Ministries,
believes that the venture may prove to be more difficult than planned.
"They think that if they make a container and put some stuff in it,
some DNA, it's going to work on its own. But DNA is a blueprint. All
it does is give instructions; it can't build anything," says Koukl.
The ministry leader says there has to be a master builder, and that
can only be God. "They just kind of want to throw the parts together.
Then, as they put it, 'let evolution take over,'" explains Koukl.
He says that the scientists are under the impression that if they can
"just get the engine running" that the evolutionary process will move
this artificially created living thing "into a process of development
to higher forms."
Koukl says the process raises many of the same moral issues as cloning
and that Christians must respond appropriately.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
03 Sep 2007 11:36:54 PM |
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"J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
So your god-character is inherently evil?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
04 Sep 2007 01:37:16 PM |
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In article <1188878126.369319.38960@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, J Young said...
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
Comedy hardly gets better than this.
For years we heard, "The evil-lutionists have never
succeeded in making life from scratch. Only God can
make a tree!" Now that science is approaching the
creation of synthetic life forms, suddenly it's
"Creating life would be IMMORAL!"
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
04 Sep 2007 05:37:16 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:37:16 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <1188878126.369319.38960@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, J Young said...
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
Comedy hardly gets better than this.
For years we heard, "The evil-lutionists have never
succeeded in making life from scratch. Only God can
make a tree!" Now that science is approaching the
creation of synthetic life forms, suddenly it's
"Creating life would be IMMORAL!"
Who says Christianity never changes?
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
04 Sep 2007 10:38:06 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:bgnrd319v5h8q2nc43ra8ipj6r6faens33@4ax.com...
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:37:16 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <1188878126.369319.38960@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, J Young said...
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
Comedy hardly gets better than this.
For years we heard, "The evil-lutionists have never
succeeded in making life from scratch. Only God can
make a tree!" Now that science is approaching the
creation of synthetic life forms, suddenly it's
"Creating life would be IMMORAL!"
Who says Christianity never changes?
Xtian hypocracy never changes.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
06 Sep 2007 04:07:45 PM |
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In article <1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> J Young <younginsights@aol.com> writes:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
I am quite confident that the boids, floys, revoworms, psim,
boppers, and the rest of the bitozoa feel the same way
about you.
Only more so.
-- cary
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
06 Sep 2007 07:27:31 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:07:45 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> J Young <younginsights@aol.com> writes:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
I object to you equating Christians, with decent people.
I am quite confident that the boids, floys, revoworms, psim,
boppers, and the rest of the bitozoa feel the same way
about you.
Only more so.
-- cary
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Jyoung doesn't have a life to begin with. |
04 Sep 2007 08:15:03 AM |
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In article <1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
younginsights@aol.com says...
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Translation: This will be more evidence in favor of evolution and
against IDiotic Creationism. Therefore, it must be regarded as evil by
fanatic jackasses like JYoung who don't actual have a life, artificial
or otherwise, to begin with.
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| User: "SJAB1958" |
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04 Sep 2007 03:34:14 AM |
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On 4 Sep, 04:55, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/artificial_life_claim_could_ra.php
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
The president of an apologetics ministry says Christians should be
concerned that scientists are trying to create life from scratch.
In an article published on AnswersInGenesis.org, J. Craig Venter and
Nobel laureate Hamilton O. Smith were named as the key players in this
venture. Both had a hand in founding Celera Genomics Corp., which
deciphered the human genome.
According to the article, they plan to start with the simplest of life
forms, Mycoplasma genitalium, which has 482 protein-coding genes with
a total of 580,000 letters. The human body has three billion letters
with roughly 30,000 to 50,000 genes.
The scientists claim that it will take between three and ten years to
create this artificial life and that it will only be visible through a
microscope. They say the basic chemicals in DNA would invent new
genetic codes, allowing the man-made life form to function and
reproduce.
Greg Koukl, founder and president of Stand to Reason Ministries,
believes that the venture may prove to be more difficult than planned.
"They think that if they make a container and put some stuff in it,
some DNA, it's going to work on its own. But DNA is a blueprint. All
it does is give instructions; it can't build anything," says Koukl.
The ministry leader says there has to be a master builder, and that
can only be God. "They just kind of want to throw the parts together.
Then, as they put it, 'let evolution take over,'" explains Koukl.
He says that the scientists are under the impression that if they can
"just get the engine running" that the evolutionary process will move
this artificially created living thing "into a process of development
to higher forms."
Koukl says the process raises many of the same moral issues as cloning
and that Christians must respond appropriately.
Well if only God can create life why are the opponents of evolutionary
theory so worried about this experiment?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
04 Sep 2007 06:47:06 AM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:34:14 -0700, SJAB1958 wrote:
On 4 Sep, 04:55, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/artificial_life_claim_could_ra.php
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
The president of an apologetics ministry says Christians should be
concerned that scientists are trying to create life from scratch.
In an article published on AnswersInGenesis.org, J. Craig Venter and
Nobel laureate Hamilton O. Smith were named as the key players in this
venture. Both had a hand in founding Celera Genomics Corp., which
deciphered the human genome.
According to the article, they plan to start with the simplest of life
forms, Mycoplasma genitalium, which has 482 protein-coding genes with a
total of 580,000 letters. The human body has three billion letters with
roughly 30,000 to 50,000 genes.
The scientists claim that it will take between three and ten years to
create this artificial life and that it will only be visible through a
microscope. They say the basic chemicals in DNA would invent new
genetic codes, allowing the man-made life form to function and
reproduce.
Greg Koukl, founder and president of Stand to Reason Ministries,
believes that the venture may prove to be more difficult than planned.
"They think that if they make a container and put some stuff in it,
some DNA, it's going to work on its own. But DNA is a blueprint. All it
does is give instructions; it can't build anything," says Koukl.
The ministry leader says there has to be a master builder, and that can
only be God. "They just kind of want to throw the parts together. Then,
as they put it, 'let evolution take over,'" explains Koukl.
He says that the scientists are under the impression that if they can
"just get the engine running" that the evolutionary process will move
this artificially created living thing "into a process of development
to higher forms."
Koukl says the process raises many of the same moral issues as cloning
and that Christians must respond appropriately.
Well if only God can create life why are the opponents of evolutionary
theory so worried about this experiment?
Because they don't actually believe in their "god"...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Can you unmasterbate to someone?"
- Bill Maher
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2007 08:41:13 AM |
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On 4 sep, 05:55, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/artificial_life_claim_could_ra.php
'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue, says ministry leader
The president of an apologetics ministry says Christians should be
concerned that scientists are trying to create life from scratch.
In an article published on AnswersInGenesis.org, J. Craig Venter and
Nobel laureate Hamilton O. Smith were named as the key players in this
venture. Both had a hand in founding Celera Genomics Corp., which
deciphered the human genome.
According to the article, they plan to start with the simplest of life
forms, Mycoplasma genitalium, which has 482 protein-coding genes with
a total of 580,000 letters. The human body has three billion letters
with roughly 30,000 to 50,000 genes.
The scientists claim that it will take between three and ten years to
create this artificial life and that it will only be visible through a
microscope. They say the basic chemicals in DNA would invent new
genetic codes, allowing the man-made life form to function and
reproduce.
Greg Koukl, founder and president of Stand to Reason Ministries,
believes that the venture may prove to be more difficult than planned.
"They think that if they make a container and put some stuff in it,
some DNA, it's going to work on its own. But DNA is a blueprint. All
it does is give instructions; it can't build anything," says Koukl.
The ministry leader says there has to be a master builder, and that
can only be God. "They just kind of want to throw the parts together.
Then, as they put it, 'let evolution take over,'" explains Koukl.
He says that the scientists are under the impression that if they can
"just get the engine running" that the evolutionary process will move
this artificially created living thing "into a process of development
to higher forms."
Koukl says the process raises many of the same moral issues as cloning
and that Christians must respond appropriately.
Two possibilites
1. Without God no life can be formed
In that case he has nothing to worry about
2. Without God man can create life by himselve
In that case he has something to worry about.
As he seems worried,
I suposse he really thinks that 2 is the case:)
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS I do not see any moral implications,
that would only arise once they get to higher life forms,
and animal rigths activist would try and stop them.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
04 Sep 2007 07:37:21 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young <younginsights@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Anything that can be done will be done.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: 'Artificial life' claim could raise moral issue |
06 Sep 2007 04:19:13 PM |
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In article <6bkqd313f09eafbtvkdpdd9pkbo930bt76@4ax.com> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young <younginsights@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1188878126.369319.38960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Anything that can be done will be done.
So, since I could gladly do Christina Ricci...
-- cary
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| User: "MarkA" |
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04 Sep 2007 11:15:29 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Really. The god-deluded might have to face the fact that "life" is just
regular stuff, but more organized.
Here's an idea: scientists should announce that they have been able to
create artificial *souls*. Since there would be no way to disprove their
claim, the religionists would just have to implode....
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Sep 2007 06:46:37 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Damn that science! Always going around progressing!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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06 Sep 2007 04:17:14 PM |
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In article <5b6dnR9oUuAA2EDbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Damn that science! Always going around progressing!
But dude! Don't you find it theologically fascinating that God's
most basic, most stripped-down life form -- the afore-mentioned
_Mycoplasma genitalium_ -- is a sexually-transmitted
parasite?
-- cry
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2007 11:45:13 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:17:14 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <5b6dnR9oUuAA2EDbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:55:26 -0700, J Young wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
Damn that science! Always going around progressing!
But dude! Don't you find it theologically fascinating that God's most
basic, most stripped-down life form -- the afore-mentioned _Mycoplasma
genitalium_ -- is a sexually-transmitted parasite?
What an intelligent design!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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08 Sep 2007 05:40:06 PM |
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On Sep 3, 11:55 pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
But God will only reward the Christians like J Yo for doing so...
Paul
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| User: "JohnN" |
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04 Sep 2007 12:39:17 PM |
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On Sep 3, 11:55 pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The entire concept is inherently evil and should be rejected by all
decent people, not just Christians.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/artificial_life_claim_could_ra.php
Koukl says the process raises many of the same moral issues as cloning
and that Christians must respond appropriately.
That must be a call for Christians to do what they are famous for:
murder the scientists and firebomb the labs.
JohnN
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