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"J Young" |
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04 Aug 2005 09:52:21 PM |
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Atheists claim discrimination |
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050802/2religion.htm
Atheists claim discrimination
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
In an increasingly religious America, the nonreligious have begun
painting themselves as a persecuted minority.
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| User: "john r howell" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
04 Aug 2005 11:11:46 PM |
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J.Young. I am an 73 yr old atheist living in southern Cal. I think
a good % of us atheist in S.Cal tend to get somewhat complacent about
atheism. The reason being is because here we very seldom encounter any
serious problems from believers. However I know that there are other parts
of the country where that could change instantly. Especially some southern
and Midwestern states. And of course there are all the small towns in every
state that could give you problems if they find out you are an atheist,
especially if they fine you are an atheist activist. St John the
Atheist
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123210341.943653.218200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050802/2religion.htm
Atheists claim discrimination
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
In an increasingly religious America, the nonreligious have begun
painting themselves as a persecuted minority.
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| User: "Fester" |
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05 Aug 2005 05:43:20 PM |
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"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> wrote in message
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J.Young. I am an 73 yr old atheist living in southern Cal. I think
a good % of us atheist in S.Cal tend to get somewhat complacent about
atheism. The reason being is because here we very seldom encounter any
serious problems from believers. However I know that there are other
parts of the country where that could change instantly. Especially some
southern and Midwestern states. And of course there are all the small
towns in every state that could give you problems if they find out you are
an atheist, especially if they fine you are an atheist activist. St
John the Atheist
I'm curious to learn just what you think you know about how we atheists are
treated here in the South, for example (I live in North Carolina). Are you
speaking from any 1st hand experience, repeating what some editorialists
have had to say or what? And while you're at it, perhaps you may care to
tell me what an "atheist activist" is.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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05 Aug 2005 09:53:46 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations.
<...>
"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.
--Joseph Heller
<...>
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
05 Aug 2005 03:37:08 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123210341.943653.218200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050802/2religion.htm
Atheists claim discrimination
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
So, you think it's OK to discriminate?
In an increasingly religious America,
You misspelled "decreasingly".
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
05 Aug 2005 04:21:45 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence,
hey - sounds just like the fundies!!!
therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
They are.
In an increasingly religious America,
You misspelled "decreasingly".
It's not like he ever gets *anything* right....
Susan
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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05 Aug 2005 04:49:53 AM |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 4:37:08 -0400, Peacenik wrote
(in message <dcv8fk$l2c$1@news.seed.net.tw>):
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
So, you think it's OK to discriminate?
If "maintaining order" means not serving blacks, I guess a bunch of confused
xtians here are OK with that too. :/
Religion is nothing more then a tax free business for the slick and an
imaginary friend for the weak of mind. :o)
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"I know you are a coward, you know you are a coward." --Osprey
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| User: "Ike" |
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04 Aug 2005 11:36:39 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123210341.943653.218200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050802/2religion.htm
Atheists claim discrimination
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
In an increasingly religious America, the nonreligious have begun
painting themselves as a persecuted minority.
I don't like people meeting in a coffee shop if they didn't invite me there.
Even if I am there at the same time, I feel like they should go meet at
someone's house. I can understand it. Even if they invited me there, I feel
strange unless I am sure the owner hosted the meeting. I have been there and
done that. They should not go to the coffee shop to have a meeting unless
the owner invited them.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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05 Aug 2005 01:46:56 AM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I don't like people meeting in a coffee shop if they didn't invite me
there. Even if I am there at the same time, I feel like they should go
meet at someone's house. I can understand it. Even if they invited me
there, I feel strange unless I am sure the owner hosted the meeting. I
have been there and done that. They should not go to the coffee shop to
have a meeting unless the owner invited them.
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A coffee shop is a PUBLIC place. Anyone who chooses to can meet in a public
place.
--
CR.....
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "Ike" |
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07 Aug 2005 10:15:33 PM |
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I don't like people meeting in a coffee shop if they didn't invite me
there. Even if I am there at the same time, I feel like they should go
meet at someone's house. I can understand it. Even if they invited me
there, I feel strange unless I am sure the owner hosted the meeting. I
have been there and done that. They should not go to the coffee shop to
have a meeting unless the owner invited them.
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A coffee shop is a PUBLIC place. Anyone who chooses to can meet in a
public
place.
And anyone who wants to give them bad vibes is welcome to.
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| User: "Fester" |
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05 Aug 2005 06:04:09 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123210341.943653.218200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution" just
because they were told "NO" would probably have been a disruptive
presence, therefor the owner was correct in refusing accomodations. Do
atheists really want to be recognized as a oppressed minority?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050802/2religion.htm
Atheists claim discrimination
The owner of a coffee shop near Birmingham, Ala., has banned members of
a secular group for atheists, agnostics, and other questioners from
meeting in her cafe. The Universist Movement is claiming Christian
persecution, while Cool Beans owner Amy Anderson says she's only trying
to maintain order in her business.
In an increasingly religious America, the nonreligious have begun
painting themselves as a persecuted minority.
Civil Rights Act of 1964
<quote>
TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF
PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION
SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment
of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and
accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this
section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color,
religion, or national origin.
(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place
of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations
affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by
State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to
transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building
which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is
actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or
other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the
premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the
premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium
or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises
of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within
the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment,
and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered
establishment.
</quote>
While atheism is not a religion, I doubt that there is a court in the nation
which would rule that discrimination based on one's lack of a religion is
permissable under this law. Any questions?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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05 Aug 2005 12:07:29 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Any group that is crazy enough to claim "Christian persecution"...
....because Christians like J Young, Pat Robertson, etc, call them murderers
and worse, would seem to have a case.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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05 Aug 2005 01:46:18 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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In an increasingly religious America,
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Oh really? Odd since so many churches are losing members and some are
closing their doors......
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CR........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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| User: "" |
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07 Aug 2005 04:26:57 AM |
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Why not? It's a buisness. That is, a service you are providing, why
should a gov't intervene with that, it not like it's a public library
or something, it's a private establishemnt, what if I wen't to some big
shot night club and I was told Im not "on the list", I have the right
to claim discrimination? I thought it was the same in the USA, well
from the movie Falling Down, anyways, yah know the army surplus guy
that "reserves the right to deny service to fags and niggers".
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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05 Aug 2005 01:46:28 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123210341.943653.218200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In an increasingly religious America,
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Oh really? Odd since so many churches are losing members and some are
closing their doors......
--
CR........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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05 Aug 2005 12:21:00 AM |
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For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining. (...but
you'd think atheist's money would be the same colour as Christian's
money, if you know what I mean.) Besides, banning the atheists is
decidedly un-Christian, anyhow. (Mark 2:17)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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05 Aug 2005 03:39:09 AM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
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For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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05 Aug 2005 08:48:47 AM |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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05 Aug 2005 10:02:55 AM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
Supporting racial discrimination makes you a racist.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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05 Aug 2005 11:43:42 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
Supporting racial discrimination makes you a racist.
What makes you think he supports something, just because he says someone has
a right to do it?
Susan
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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05 Aug 2005 09:07:42 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever
the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
Supporting racial discrimination makes you a racist.
What makes you think he supports something, just because he says someone
has
a right to do it?
Saying someone has the right to express racist sentiments is not racism.
Saying someone has the right to act on their racist sentiment is an active
support of racism.
Shop owners do not have the right to discriminate. Their shops are public
places.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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07 Aug 2005 12:26:35 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pgr6f1du8cichra06snfo4h5g6hm0huti9@4ax.com...
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever
the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
Supporting racial discrimination makes you a racist.
What makes you think he supports something, just because he says someone
has
a right to do it?
Saying someone has the right to express racist sentiments is not racism.
Saying someone has the right to act on their racist sentiment is an active
support of racism.
Shop owners do not have the right to discriminate. Their shops are public
places.
The point being that if she does this sort of thing, she will also have the
"right" to be bpoycotted picketed, etc.
But I take your point.
Libertarians, however, would see it differently, and go with what I said in
my statement prvious (boycotts. pickets).
Susan
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| User: "Hic occultus occulto occisus est" |
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05 Aug 2005 09:15:34 PM |
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Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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05 Aug 2005 10:19:33 PM |
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"Hic occultus occulto occisus est" <Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> said:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
Check your case law.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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06 Aug 2005 06:59:37 AM |
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"Hic occultus occulto occisus est" <Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
They are private business, but they are also places of public access (after
all, it would be hard for a shop to be remain open without people entering
them). It is (and rightly so) illegal for a shop owner (in the US) to deny
patronage to people based on, for example, race, ethnicity or religion. A
shop owner may, however, deny patronage to individuals who pester other
customers, start fights, cause damage in the shop, or other relevant
reasons.
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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05 Aug 2005 11:15:53 PM |
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Hic occultus occulto occisus est <Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> wrote:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
That is not the law here in the U.S. Do you live in another
country where the above is truly the case?
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 Aug 2005 03:52:01 AM |
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On 5 Aug 2005 19:15:34 -0700, "Hic occultus occulto occisus est"
<Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1123294534.648240.107390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
Tell that to all the lunch counter owners who were driven out of
business by the civil rights movement in the 60's.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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07 Aug 2005 12:27:19 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On 5 Aug 2005 19:15:34 -0700, "Hic occultus occulto occisus est"
<Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1123294534.648240.107390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
Tell that to all the lunch counter owners who were driven out of
business by the civil rights movement in the 60's.
But that's the point.
The LAW didn't put them out of business.
The PEOPLE did.
Susan
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
07 Aug 2005 03:49:25 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:27:19 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id <XvrJe.9354$sv.7834@trnddc08> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On 5 Aug 2005 19:15:34 -0700, "Hic occultus occulto occisus est"
<Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1123294534.648240.107390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
Tell that to all the lunch counter owners who were driven out of
business by the civil rights movement in the 60's.
But that's the point.
The LAW didn't put them out of business.
The PEOPLE did.
No, the law did. They were required to serve everyone or close down.
TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF
PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION
SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal
enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges,
advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation,
as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on
the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a
place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its
operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it
is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides
lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located
within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or
hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such
establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda
fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for
consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such
facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any
gasoline station;
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
07 Aug 2005 04:38:00 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:27:19 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id <XvrJe.9354$sv.7834@trnddc08> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:2gu8f19f1a8oh6ki6k1fop4t2akr9qusdv@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2005 19:15:34 -0700, "Hic occultus occulto occisus est"
<Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1123294534.648240.107390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Shop owners can discriminate at there own discretion, shops aren't
public places, they're private businesses.
Tell that to all the lunch counter owners who were driven out of
business by the civil rights movement in the 60's.
But that's the point.
The LAW didn't put them out of business.
The PEOPLE did.
No, the law did. They were required to serve everyone or close down.
I beg your pardon - I was referring to before the law was passed; I thought
you were referring to successful boycotss, such as the Montgomery Bus
Boycott.
You are correct.
Susan
TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF
PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION
SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal
enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges,
advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation,
as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on
the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a
place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its
operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it
is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides
lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located
within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or
hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such
establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda
fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for
consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such
facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any
gasoline station;
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists claim discrimination |
07 Aug 2005 09:14:40 PM |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:43:42 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
thought hard and wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:39:09 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> thought hard and wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1123219260.786043.58320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For one thing, a business owner should be entitled to do whatever the
heck she wants with HER business;so people should quit whining.
Even excluding people based on skin color?
Yes.
But, oops, that makes me a racist, despite the fact that I
would never do it.
Supporting racial discrimination makes you a racist.
What makes you think he supports something, just because he says someone has
a right to do it?
Wonderful logic it is, Susan.
Susan
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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