Science > Abortion > Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity.
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"jsm" |
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17 Nov 2004 10:08:12 AM |
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Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
• 18 – 21 days from conception; assumed that Blood first
enters the pre-born human being (baby/embryo)
• At 3 weeks his heart begins to beat.
• At 20 weeks the baby is viable.
• At 6 weeks we can measure brain waves.
• At 6 weeks he begins to move his arms and legs (quickening)
Conception-Brainwaves-Blood in Baby-First Move-Heartbeat
http://www.pregnantpause.org/develop/when.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm#13
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I |
17 Nov 2004 08:32:40 PM |
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And that excites you far more than it does me....
Paul
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
17 Nov 2004 11:22:49 AM |
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On 17 Nov 2004 08:08:12 -0800 in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, jsm (jsm542@yahoo.com (jsm))
said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
Why?
• 18 – 21 days from conception; assumed that Blood first
enters the pre-born human being (baby/embryo)
• At 3 weeks his heart begins to beat.
• At 20 weeks the baby is viable.
Perhaps. Or will be at some stage of the development of medical
technology.
So suppose it costs a couple of million dollars to run the technology
and 24 ours medical care that will, or have some chance of, preserving
the life of that 20 week baby that's been prematurely born.
Suppose the parents can't afford to pay that. Would you think a tax
hike - actual - or "hidden" in terms of increased insurance premiums -
to pay for the medical care, acceptable?
• At 6 weeks we can measure brain waves.
• At 6 weeks he begins to move his arms and legs (quickening)
Conception-Brainwaves-Blood in Baby-First Move-Heartbeat
http://www.pregnantpause.org/develop/when.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm#13
As Britannica says in its entry on "ethics":
<http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=60018>.
<start>
Whether abortion is morally justifiable has popularly been seen as
depending on our answer to the question "When does a human life
begin?"
Many philosophers believe this to be the wrong question to ask because
it suggests that there might be a factual answer that we can somehow
discover through advances in science.
Instead, these philosophers think we need to ask what it is that makes
killing a human being wrong and then consider whether these
characteristics, whatever they might be, apply to the fetus in an
abortion.
There is no generally agreed upon answer, yet some philosophers have
presented surprisingly strong arguments to the effect that not only
the fetus but even the newborn infant has no right to life. This
position has been defended by Jonathan Glover in Causing Death and
Saving Lives (1977) and in more detail by Michael Tooley in Abortion
and Infanticide (1984).
</end>
Which sums up my problem with arguments of the nature you've
presented.
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| User: "Chuckkles" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
17 Nov 2004 10:29:26 AM |
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"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests?
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| User: "jsm" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
18 Nov 2004 09:47:03 PM |
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"Chuckkles" <nespam1c@nuspam2.com> wrote in message news:<G%Kmd.922592$Gx4.424436@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
Great thinker.
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests?
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| User: "ehollo" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
18 Nov 2004 10:29:16 PM |
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"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b971a682.0411181947.3504aef@posting.google.com...
"Chuckkles" <nespam1c@nuspam2.com> wrote in message
news:<G%Kmd.922592$Gx4.424436@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
Great thinker.
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests
Yes, but the killing of Iraqi civilians is ok, right?
Paradoxes were never your friend.
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| User: "jsm" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
19 Nov 2004 12:58:42 PM |
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"ehollo" <ehollo@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<wEend.6921$qS4.3378@trnddc09>...
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b971a682.0411181947.3504aef@posting.google.com...
"Chuckkles" <nespam1c@nuspam2.com> wrote in message
news:<G%Kmd.922592$Gx4.424436@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
Great thinker.
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests
Yes, but the killing of Iraqi civilians is ok, right?
The pig Saddam is behind bars and can no longer kill his
people. Now it is some of the leftover of Saddams guard
that are continuing to kill their people with other terrorists
from Iran and Saudi Arabia. They don't want the Iraqis to
live in peace, they would rather torture them as they did
before when Saddam was in power.
Paradoxes were never your friend.
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| User: "maf 1029" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
18 Nov 2004 04:03:23 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:29:26 GMT, "Chuckkles" <nespam1c@nuspam2.com>
wrote:
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests?
<sploosh>
Damn. Another keyboard lost to nasal projection of some really good
coffee.
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
18 Nov 2004 06:09:24 AM |
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In article <vpsop09b46lf1g302drecirb2ko32li84a@4ax.com>, maf 1029
<mark@notantony.cleosplace> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:29:26 GMT, "Chuckkles" <nespam1c@nuspam2.com>
wrote:
"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
yakyakyakyakyak
aside from abortion, do you have any other interests?
<sploosh>
Damn. Another keyboard lost to nasal projection of some really good
coffee.
€€ Coffee proof keyboards were demonstrated at the recent electronics
show in Vegas.
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€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
17 Nov 2004 10:38:00 AM |
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In article <b971a682.0411170808.381ed9fa@posting.google.com>,
jsm542@yahoo.com (jsm) wrote:
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed. We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
• 18 – 21 days from conception; assumed that Blood first
enters the pre-born human being (baby/embryo)
• At 3 weeks his heart begins to beat.
• At 20 weeks the baby is viable.
€€ For baby mice, yes.
• At 6 weeks we can measure brain waves.
€€ The brain begins to develop only after the skull is complete enough to
accept it. As I understand it, this happens in the third-trimester.
• At 6 weeks he begins to move his arms and legs (quickening)
€€ Girl babies are different?
...
€€ Discussing abortion with rabid anti-abortionists is like talking to a
brick wall.
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€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let'sstop this insanity. |
17 Nov 2004 11:16:37 AM |
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jsm wrote:
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed.
But you prefer that we bleed instead.
We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
• 18 – 21 days from conception; assumed that Blood first
enters the pre-born human being (baby/embryo)
• At 3 weeks his heart begins to beat.
• At 20 weeks the baby is viable.
5 months.
That would be 5 months.
Go get the statistics on when the majority of abortions are performed,
and get back to me.
• At 6 weeks we can measure brain waves.
• At 6 weeks he begins to move his arms and legs (quickening)
Conception-Brainwaves-Blood in Baby-First Move-Heartbeat
http://www.pregnantpause.org/develop/when.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm#13
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| User: "jsm" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I, Let's Not Kill (abort) them, let's stop this insanity. |
18 Nov 2004 09:45:31 PM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<301fbmF2nq5gvU1@uni-berlin.de>...
jsm wrote:
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed.
But you prefer that we bleed instead.
The mother bleeds when her child is sliced away from her,
and she bleeds even more knowing she took part in
killing (aborting) her baby.
We must stop this
insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.
• 18 – 21 days from conception; assumed that Blood first
enters the pre-born human being (baby/embryo)
• At 3 weeks his heart begins to beat.
• At 20 weeks the baby is viable.
5 months.
That would be 5 months.
Go get the statistics on when the majority of abortions are performed,
and get back to me.
• At 6 weeks we can measure brain waves.
• At 6 weeks he begins to move his arms and legs (quickening)
Conception-Brainwaves-Blood in Baby-First Move-Heartbeat
http://www.pregnantpause.org/develop/when.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm#13
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Babies bleed like you & I (pro-liar insanity) |
19 Nov 2004 11:13:16 PM |
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jsm <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com>
Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and
they bleed just like you and I bleed.
But you prefer that we bleed instead.
The mother bleeds when her child is sliced away from her,
and she bleeds even more knowing she took part in
killing (aborting) her baby.
Abortion doesn't affect well-being, study says
New York Times (as printed in the San Jose Mercury 2/12/97)
Abortion does not trigger lasting emotional trauma in young women who
are psychologically healthy before they become pregnant, an eight-year
study of nearly 5,300 women has shown. Women who are in poor shape
emotionally after an abortion are likely to have been feeling bad about
their lives before terminating their pregnancies, the researchers said.
The findings, the researchers say, challenge the validity of laws
that have been proposed in many states, and passed in several, mandating
that women seeking abortions be informed of mental health risks.
The researchers, Dr. Nancy Felipe Russo, a psychologist at Arizona
State University in Tempe, and Dr. Amy Dabul Marin, a psychologist at
Phoenix College, examined the effects of race and religion on the
well-being of 773 women who reported on sealed questionnaires that
they had undergone abortions, and they compared the results with the
emotional status of women who did not report abortions.
The women, initially 14 to 24 years old, completed questionnaires and
were interviewed each year for eight years, starting in 1979. In 1980
and in 1987, the interview also included a standardized test that
measures overall well-being, the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale.
"Given the persistent assertion that abortion is associated with
negative outcomes, the lack of any results in the context of such a
large sample is noteworthy," the researchers wrote. The study took
into account many factors that can influence a woman's emotional
well-being, including education, employment, income, the presence of
a spouse and the number of children.
Higher self-esteem was associated with being employed, having a
higher income, having more years of education and bearing fewer children,
but having had an abortion "did not make a difference," the researchers
reported. And the women's religious affiliations and degree of involvement
with religion did not have an independent effect on their long-term
reaction to abortion. Rather, the women's psychological well-being before
having abortions accounted for their mental state in the years after the
abortion, the researchers said..
In considering the influence of race, the researchers again found
that the women's level of self-esteem before having abortions was the
strongest predictor of their well-being after an abortion.
"Although highly religious Catholic women were slightly more likely
to exhibit post-abortion psychological distress than other women, this
fact is explained by lower pre-existing self-esteem," the researchers
wrote in the current issue of Professional Psychology: Research and
Practice, a journal of the American Psychological Association.
Overall, Catholic women who attended church one or more times a week,
even those who had not had abortions, had generally lower self-esteem
than other women, although within the normal range, so it was hardly
surprising that they also had lower self-esteem after abortions, the
researchers said in interviews.
Gail Quinn, executive director of anti-abortion activities for the
United States Catholic Conference, said the findings belied the
experience of post-abortion counselors. She said, "While many women
express `relief' following an abortion, the relief is transitory."
In the long term, the experience prompts "hurting people to seek the
help of post-abortion healing services," she said.
The president of the National Right to Life Committee, Dr. Wanda
Franz, who earned her doctorate in developmental psychology, challenged
the researchers' conclusions. She said their assessment of self-esteem
"does not measure if a woman is mentally healthy," adding, "This requires
a specialist who performs certain tests, not a self-assessment of how
the woman feels about herself."
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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