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Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools |
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
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16 Aug 2005 04:34:46 PM |
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If ROB Wade is the ROB Wadeiest ROB Wade I'll ever know in
alt.politics.homosexuality, we'll always have Paris:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
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15 Aug 2005 05:13:55 PM |
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In episode <1124128835.931840.275990@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ROB
Wade burst into the room and exclaimed:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools Resolution urges denomination's
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15 Aug 2005 04:20:25 PM |
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ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
Mark Sebree
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15 Aug 2005 05:32:05 PM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
Mark Sebree
Religions have beliefs.
Religions have standards.
Both may be wrong, but to endorse something outside those beliefs or
standars creates an entirely new religion.
You have "your" "Religion" and beliefs. Fine
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16 Aug 2005 08:02:14 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled, gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
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16 Aug 2005 09:41:11 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
I have no reason to be repentant for being compassionate and tolerant
of others. There is nothing undesirable about resisting bullies and
bigotry. And there is nothing secretive about anything that I have
said.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled, gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Sorry, but the disrespectful, impolite, intolerant, ill-mannered,
hate-filled, rebellious people are bullies like you that promote
bigotry, intolerance, and hatred of others. Promotion of tolerance,
understanding, compassion, and respect, which I do, is just the
opposite of the attributes that you attribute to me.
As usually, you are attributing to me your own attributes, when those
attributes are clearly not true.
Mark Sebree
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16 Aug 2005 09:50:16 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local
districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school
district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact
and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support
Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming
that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to
recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up
are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within
the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents
are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and
acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus
Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from
the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
I have no reason to be repentant for being compassionate and tolerant
of others. There is nothing undesirable about resisting bullies and
bigotry. And there is nothing secretive about anything that I have
said.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled,
gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Sorry, but the disrespectful, impolite, intolerant, ill-mannered,
hate-filled, rebellious people are bullies like you that promote
bigotry, intolerance, and hatred of others. Promotion of tolerance,
understanding, compassion, and respect, which I do, is just the
opposite of the attributes that you attribute to me.
As usually, you are attributing to me your own attributes, when those
attributes are clearly not true.
Yippeee!!!!!!!! You can not be like me then.
You can not join the ultra-exclusive club I am in.
You are disqualified by your own words from membership.
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16 Aug 2005 10:28:08 PM |
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In episode <h1nMe.9290$xW.7166@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Johnny burst into
the room and exclaimed:
Yippeee!!!!!!!! You can not be like me then. You can not join the
ultra-exclusive club I am in. You are disqualified by your own words from
membership.
You mean the club of ever shrinking bigots who are being consigned to the
dust bin of history?
You are you know. Opposition to gay rights and hostility towards gays is
concentrated in the pre-boomer generation. A generation shrinking as they,
well, die off. Polls keep showing that the upcoming generation
overwhelmingly views "gay" as ordinary and unremarkable.
It's another one of those generational turn overs such as what happened
with interracial marriage. Another couple of decades and what hostility
towards gays still exists will be in a few double-wides and some nursing
homes...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
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16 Aug 2005 10:14:13 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local
districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school
district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact
and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support
Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming
that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to
recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up
are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within
the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents
are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and
acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed, to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus
Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from
the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
I have no reason to be repentant for being compassionate and tolerant
of others. There is nothing undesirable about resisting bullies and
bigotry. And there is nothing secretive about anything that I have
said.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled,
gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Sorry, but the disrespectful, impolite, intolerant, ill-mannered,
hate-filled, rebellious people are bullies like you that promote
bigotry, intolerance, and hatred of others. Promotion of tolerance,
understanding, compassion, and respect, which I do, is just the
opposite of the attributes that you attribute to me.
As usually, you are attributing to me your own attributes, when those
attributes are clearly not true.
Yippeee!!!!!!!! You can not be like me then.
Why would I want to be a hateful, bigotted, uncaring idiotic fool like
you are? Unlike you, I actually care about other people, as well as
about freedom and liberty.
You can not join the ultra-exclusive club I am in.
Good, I do not want to. But when you grow a heart, and learn
compassion and tolerance, you can join the "club" I am a member of. It
is not exclusive at all. It is very inclusive of all people, of all
reaces, and of any sexual orientation. The club stands for freedom,
liberty, and equality.
You are disqualified by your own words from membership.
Good. I would not want to be associated with your narrow-mindedness,
pettiness, intolerance, and desire to tear down the freedoms and
liberties that this country stands for.
Mark Sebree
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| Title: Re: Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools |
16 Aug 2005 10:22:34 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124203271.416578.192450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local
districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About
Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school
district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any
curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any
of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact
and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging
church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the
resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support
Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming
that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the
civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to
recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it
in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up
are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the
dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but
Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered
by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within
the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle
that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents
are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a
normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to
their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and
acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed,
to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to
fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus
Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will
fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from
the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
I have no reason to be repentant for being compassionate and tolerant
of others. There is nothing undesirable about resisting bullies and
bigotry. And there is nothing secretive about anything that I have
said.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled,
gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Sorry, but the disrespectful, impolite, intolerant, ill-mannered,
hate-filled, rebellious people are bullies like you that promote
bigotry, intolerance, and hatred of others. Promotion of tolerance,
understanding, compassion, and respect, which I do, is just the
opposite of the attributes that you attribute to me.
As usually, you are attributing to me your own attributes, when those
attributes are clearly not true.
Yippeee!!!!!!!! You can not be like me then.
Why would I want to be a hateful, bigotted, uncaring idiotic fool
You already are that.
like
you are?
You are not like me.
Unlike you, I actually care about other people, as well as
about freedom and liberty.
Wrong. You care very little about such things.
You can not join the ultra-exclusive club I am in.
Good, I do not want to.
Good. We agree on that.
But when you grow a heart,
I have a heart and it has been in me since I was in utero.
and learn
compassion and tolerance,
From bigotted hate-filled intolerant, non-compassionate people like you?
Not possible. Since you do not demonstrate compassion and tolerance you can
not teach it.
you can join the "club" I am a member of.
I am not interested in joining your hate club.
It
is not exclusive at all.
Another strike against it then.
It is very inclusive of all people, of all
reaces, and of any sexual orientation.
You think i really believe that?
The club stands for freedom,
liberty, and equality.
Not so.
You are disqualified by your own words from membership.
Good.
Yes. Good.
I would not want to be associated with your narrow-mindedness,
pettiness, intolerance, and desire to tear down the freedoms and
liberties that this country stands for.
Not my problem.
Mark Sebree
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| Title: Re: Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools |
16 Aug 2005 11:21:15 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124205253.660535.248950@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124203271.416578.192450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1124140825.201222.318870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ROB Wade wrote:
Baptists: Probe homosexuality in schools
Resolution urges denomination's churches to investigate local
districts
By Ron Strom
WorldNetDaily.com
A resolution urging churches to investigate the level of homosexual
advocacy in their local school districts will be presented to the
Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Committee for possible
consideration at the denomination's annual gathering.
Dr. Voddie Baucham Jr., a Southern Baptist lecturer, preacher and
author, and Bruce N. Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About
Public
Schools" announced yesterday they have submitted the resolution for
consideration at the SBC's 2005 Annual Meeting in Nashville, Tenn.,
next month.
According to a statement from Baucham and Shortt, the resolution
"encourages every SBC church to investigate whether the school
district
in which it is located has either a homosexual club or any
curriculum
or program that attempts to influence children to accept homosexual
behavior as a legitimate lifestyle. If the school district has any
of
these, the resolution urges churches to inform parents of this fact
and
encourage them to remove their children from the district's schools
immediately."
As WorldNetDaily reported, last year, Shortt was part of an
unsuccessful effort to get SBC approval of a resolution urging
church
members to pull their children out of government schools.
Besides calling for the local school investigations, the
resolution:
commends Christians working in government schools;
asks Baptists to make a greater effort to provide and support
Christian
educational alternatives to government schools, especially for the
benefit of children from low-income and single-parent families;
calls upon Baptists to pray for homosexuals; and
rebukes homosexual activists for slandering minorities by claiming
that
homosexual behavior has any authentic connection with the
civil-rights
movement.
The new effort appears to take one issue brought up in last year's
debate over government schools - homosexual advocacy - and focuses
church members' attention on it.
Said Baucham: "I am convinced that if government schools had to
recruit
students by sending out brochures outlining the academic, moral and
spiritual aspects of their curriculum, most Baptists would throw it
in
the trash without a second thought. However, when these schools can
hide behind stealth phrases like tolerance, safe schools,
multiculturalism and safer sex, parents are often unaware of the
dangers lurking beneath the surface. Moreover, parents who speak up
are
often branded as narrow-minded bigots with outdated values.
"This resolution is an effort to shine the light of truth in the
dark
corners of our schools and force our brethren to take a long, hard,
honest look at what we have tolerated for far too long."
Added Shortt: "Homosexuals need our prayers and concern, but
Christian
parents must make sure that their children are not being endangered
by
false teaching in government schools. ...
"Government schools are influencing our children to regard
homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle and silencing those within
the
schools who disagree. Education officials who would never dream of
engineering acceptance of smoking among children are all too often
complicit in promoting acceptance among children of a lifestyle
that
evidence indicates is at least as deadly and self-destructive as
smoking."
Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, is supportive of the
resolution.
"Based on my 10 years of tracking and researching the growth of
homosexual activism in public schools, I know that very few parents
are
aware that the majority of public school districts are selling our
children the dangerous and false notion that homosexuality is a
normal
and acceptable lifestyle," Harvey said in a statement.
"Because most Christian parents and churches have been silent about
this out of ignorance or apathy, they are essentially saying to
their
children that what the schools are teaching is accurate and
acceptable;
they are also saying to schools, we give you permission to proceed,
to
count on our silence, and to count on our children continuing to
fill
your classrooms."
A copy of the resolution is available on the website of Exodus
Mandate,
an organization that advocates for private Christian schooling and
homeschooling.
So, we see the intolerance of the Southern Baptist leaders towards
those that they do not agree with, and again we see them trying to
force their views on the community at large. Hopefully, they will
fail
in the overwhelming majority of communities.
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from
the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
I have no reason to be repentant for being compassionate and tolerant
of others. There is nothing undesirable about resisting bullies and
bigotry. And there is nothing secretive about anything that I have
said.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled,
gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Sorry, but the disrespectful, impolite, intolerant, ill-mannered,
hate-filled, rebellious people are bullies like you that promote
bigotry, intolerance, and hatred of others. Promotion of tolerance,
understanding, compassion, and respect, which I do, is just the
opposite of the attributes that you attribute to me.
As usually, you are attributing to me your own attributes, when those
attributes are clearly not true.
Yippeee!!!!!!!! You can not be like me then.
Why would I want to be a hateful, bigotted, uncaring idiotic fool
You already are that.
You would have a very, very hard time proving that. The description
that I gave was of you, not me. I have never been like you.
like
you are?
You are not like me.
Thankfully.
Unlike you, I actually care about other people, as well as
about freedom and liberty.
Wrong. You care very little about such things.
My description of myself was accurate, as I have proven in the past.
You can not join the ultra-exclusive club I am in.
Good, I do not want to.
Good. We agree on that.
Like I would want to join a club of hateful losers in the first place.
But when you grow a heart,
I have a heart and it has been in me since I was in utero.
You lack the type of heart I was talking about. A compassionate and
caring one. I was not talking about your physical heart
and learn
compassion and tolerance,
From bigotted hate-filled intolerant, non-compassionate people like you?
Yes, since I am not bigotted, hate-filled, intolerant, or
uncompassionate. Those are antonyms of my behavior and personality.
That is a better description of you, not me.
Not possible. Since you do not demonstrate compassion and tolerance you can
not teach it.
I have demostrated far more compassion and tolerance than you ever have
even tried to show.
you can join the "club" I am a member of.
I am not interested in joining your hate club.
I am not a member of any hate club. That is the club that you belong
to.
It
is not exclusive at all.
Another strike against it then.
Not at all. That is a point in their favor. Inclusive is always
better than exclusive. Your hatred and intolerance shows the problems
with exclusive "clubs" that think that they are better than anyone
else.
It is very inclusive of all people, of all
races, and of any sexual orientation.
You think i really believe that?
Whether you do or not does not matter. It is the truth.
The club stands for freedom,
liberty, and equality.
Not so.
Very much so. You are the one that argues against freedom, liberty,
and equality.
You are disqualified by your own words from membership.
Good.
Yes. Good.
As if I would want to join an organization of hate-mongers like you.
I would not want to be associated with your narrow-mindedness,
pettiness, intolerance, and desire to tear down the freedoms and
liberties that this country stands for.
Not my problem.
Actually, it is. You need to learn compassion, tolerance, and
broad-mindedness. You should really start working on upholding freedom
and liberty instead of tearing it down. For if the country and its
ideals fall, you will also suffer. Those ideals are the only things
that allow you to speak and believe and live as you wish right now.
Mark Sebree
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16 Aug 2005 12:31:08 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:02:14 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
What we see is the secretive, unrepentant, undesirable resistance from the
gay blade which you are exhibiting.
What we see is the disrespectful, impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled, gay
blade, rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
Hey Johnny,
What the heck do you mean by "gay blade?" You used it twice.
You also just used a BROAD brush to slam someone who disagreed with
you. Let me break-down part of your description and comment just a
bit.
Some of the terms you used:
- secretive,
....describes the actions of many "Christians" here to e-mail privately
and discuss others "behind their back." This also describes the
political actions of church folks with an agenda who encounter
resistance.
- unrepentant,
....is usually used to describe any poster who opposes your opinion or
questions your belief system
- undesirable resistance from the gay blade which you are exhibiting.
....such a sad and weak ad hominem attack from you.
- disrespectful,
....with the implication that you ARE always respectful of the
different beliefs of others, which you proved to be UNTRUE with your
previous insult.
- impolite, ill-mannered, hate-filled,
....just another swipe at someone who challenges you.
- gay blade,
....barring false witness against your neighbor.
- rebellious sect of which you seem to be a member.
....more barring false witness of any who challenge your belief system.
"We ain't gone be po no mo."
- - Pastor Greg Powe, Atlanta
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15 Aug 2005 05:16:45 PM |
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Homosexuality has been a subject in schools for a long, long time.
Students insult kids they don't like by calling them "gay," "fag," or
"queer" every day of the week, over and over again. Kids who are
thought to be gay (regardless of whether this is because they show
romantic feelings towards a person of thier own sex, which might really
make them gay, or because they don't like sports, like to read, or
anything else that might mark them as "other") are scorned, harrassed,
and beat up. If it is discovered that a kid is being raised by a gay
couple, the kid is often ostracized, made fun of, and, of course,
called a "fag." Teachers and other school officials frequently do
nothing about this at all.
Thatis the current state of gay awareness in American schools. And for
that we can thank the Baptists of the sort mentioned in the original
post, and the countless similar anti-gay bigots who are perfectly
unconcerned when children are treated badly, as long as it's in the
service of their anti-gay agenda.
So now, finally, some decent and compassionate people come along with a
very basic massage: gays are people just like you and me. A lot of
good, creative, and even heroic people were gay. Don't mistreat or be
unkind to people just because they're gay. Don't think you can tell who
is gay just by how they throw a baseball; that's just silly.
This is simply the basic level of civility that every school should
expect, enforce,and, if necessary, teach. I'd expect - and hope - that
they'd do the same if left-handed, or Asian, or even Baptist students
(or students with divorced parents, or students whose father is in a
wheelchair, or etc.) were being harrassed and beat up. If the Baptisits
don't like it, it's because they choose to ignore the central theme of
the Bible: as you do to the least of these among you, so you do unto
me.
Violence directed at Those Who Are Not Like Us - the stranger, the
other, those who are different, the ones we are better than - was the
true sin of Sodom.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, is going into the shcools and saying: You
should be gay. Here, try these sexual practices. You should marry
somebody of the same sex, and soon! They are not "promoting
homosexuality;" they are teaching tolerance, which is a necessary
antidote to bullying.
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15 Aug 2005 07:43:53 PM |
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The Watch Dog wrote:
Homosexuality has been a subject in schools for a long, long time.
Students insult kids they don't like by calling them "gay," "fag," or
"queer" every day of the week, over and over again. Kids who are
thought to be gay (regardless of whether this is because they show
romantic feelings towards a person of thier own sex, which might really
make them gay, or because they don't like sports, like to read, or
anything else that might mark them as "other") are scorned, harrassed,
and beat up.
And then people wonder why those children grow up to be more suicidal
and with a greater frequency of mental problems. YOU have just
described the reasons. People that are bullied and ostracized
constantly for years are more likely to have such problems, as is of no
surprise to anyone intelligent.
If it is discovered that a kid is being raised by a gay
couple, the kid is often ostracized, made fun of, and, of course,
called a "fag." Teachers and other school officials frequently do
nothing about this at all.
Which means that they are not doing their jobs properly. And further
explains the need for training of both teachers and students in
tolerance and understanding.
Thatis the current state of gay awareness in American schools.
And that is why it needs improvement.
And for
that we can thank the Baptists of the sort mentioned in the original
post, and the countless similar anti-gay bigots who are perfectly
unconcerned when children are treated badly, as long as it's in the
service of their anti-gay agenda.
And that is why those kids need to have their attitudes changed by
showing them, their peers, and their teachers that such behavior is
unacceptable and harmful in both the short run and the long run.
Such bigotry need to be stamped out, no matter how long it takes.
So now, finally, some decent and compassionate people come along with a
very basic massage: gays are people just like you and me.
Which they are.
A lot of
good, creative, and even heroic people were gay. Don't mistreat or be
unkind to people just because they're gay. Don't think you can tell who
is gay just by how they throw a baseball; that's just silly.
Very true.
This is simply the basic level of civility that every school should
expect, enforce,and, if necessary, teach.
It is necessary.
I'd expect - and hope - that
they'd do the same if left-handed, or Asian, or even Baptist students
(or students with divorced parents, or students whose father is in a
wheelchair, or etc.) were being harrassed and beat up.
Or who are harassed and beat up for no more reason than the person is a
loner and has few, if any friends to help him.
If the Baptisits
don't like it, it's because they choose to ignore the central theme of
the Bible: as you do to the least of these among you, so you do unto
me.
Violence directed at Those Who Are Not Like Us - the stranger, the
other, those who are different, the ones we are better than - was the
true sin of Sodom.
Whatever.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, is going into the shcools and saying: You
should be gay. Here, try these sexual practices. You should marry
somebody of the same sex, and soon! They are not "promoting
homosexuality;" they are teaching tolerance, which is a necessary
antidote to bullying.
That is what I prefer them to teach, tolerance and understanding.
Notice that I was directing this at the Southern Baptist LEADERS, not
the rank and file sheep. And I was also specifying the Southern
Baptists, as opposed to the regular Baptists.
I KNOW first hand what it is like to be picked on and bullied. It can
destroy a child's self-confidence and self esteem. It makes school
unbearable, especially when the kid is also stuck with uncaring and/or
poor teachers as well. The kid's grades suffer, and there is no escape
and little reprieve. It can also make the kid distrustful of others,
and severely stunt his emotional and social growth. Resulting in the
kid being alone the rest of his life.
Mark Sebree
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