(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<3f0b44c1.7477122@netnews.mchsi.com>...
... homosexuals want special rights!
No, they do NOT. They want the very SAME rights that we
heterosexuals ALREADY enjoy in America. The right NOT to be
discriminated against by people who hire employees, just because
the employer happens to be a hateful and bigoted busybody who
doesn't know any better than to pry into the PRIVATE affairs of
other people.
If homosexuals do their job and don't use their positions to recruit
others into the sick homosexual lifestyle, I think they can work just
about anywhere they want to. Of course, employers don't want people
who represent their company as sales reps or customer service reps to
wear fruity perfume and mince around like fairies if they're men, or
to have buzz cuts and wear T-shirts without brassieres if they're
women. If homosexuals would just learn to act like normal people,
they wouldn't have so much trouble.
I've had several gay friends over the course of my lifetime,
Exactly how many was "several?"
and
NONE of them fit those stereotyped descriptions.
Exactly how did they look, act, speak, and what exactly did they say
about this political issue?
See, people can LOOK totally normal, but what comes out of their
mouths is what gets them into trouble. And since most homosexuals
can't stop talking about their sexual preferences and the like, this
makes them unemployable in the conservative-minded workforce.
Not that there
aren't some who do (as we sometimes see in the case of some
extremists who do what they can to shock society in parades, which
doesn't help matters a bit. That serves only to give them a bad name,
and prolong and emphasize the sterotype.)... but they are just a tiny
minority.
Tiny minority? Not hardly.
Percentage-wise, those with homosexual desires/tendencies only make up
about 3% of the entire population here. That's 8,400,000. So let's
round up and be generous and make it ten million. A gay pride parade
in South Bay will draw about 20,000 people. And that's only one
parade. Ones in New York and San Fran proper will draw *far* more.
Apparently, it's in the millions.
So:
New York: 700,000
Toronto: 750,000
San Fran: 750,000? They say they are larger than New York
Atlanta: 300,000
Chicago: 200,000
West Hollywood: 500,000
Seattle: 50,000
Denver: 65,000
South Bay: 20,000
Total: 3,335,000
Conclusion: 3,335,000 (which is a conservative estimate that leaves
off Ohio, Florida, Nebraska, Anchorage etc which I made up for by
including Toronto) is over 30% percent of the supposed population. In
reality its probably closer to forty.
Stats from
http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=3181
In all but a tiny percentage of cases, we "straights" would
never know that a person is homosexual unless they he/she were
to tell us so.
Douche, you live in Iowa, where homosexuals are probably about as rare
as brains. I guess they flock to the city centers for the same
reasons Gore voters did.
As for their "sick" lifestyle... well, it certainly isn't appealing to
me.
How does your Jesus feel about it?
Nor would what they do in private, sexually, be palatable to
MOST heterosexuals. BUT -- have you ever considered the likelihood
that *they* just might feel the SAME way about *our* sexual lifestyles?
Why should anyone care about their "feelings?" Feelings and emotional
baggage do not constitute public policy.
Also, why should employers take on the burden of providing
insurance for people who sleep around and spread deadly diseases
to twenty different people?
For the SAME reason that they do so for HETEROsexual people
who do that very same thing.
Employers can choose not to hire promiscuous people.
If homosexuals want equality, they need to start behaving like
everyone else.
The vast majority of them DO.
You don't know the vast majority of them. You don't know the vast
majority of anything.
What they do in their bedrooms is private. The trouble is, homosexuals
are sexually active elsewhere too -- in gyms, bookstores, bars, bath
houses, beaches -- you name it. They'll do it almost anywhere.
SO do heterosexuals.
It's illegal.
The right NOT to be turned down as a renter because the landlord
is EQUALLY stupid and bigoted.
Again, if homosexuals don't attract attention to themselves by
throwing wild parties and having a parade of sexual partners over
every weekend, why would anyone want to discriminate?
In the case of wild parties, the landlord would have a legitimate
concern for potential property damage, and would be entitled in such
cases to evict.
OR he can avoid the problem altogether (which would end up costing him
money) and rent to whomever he wants. That includes people who do not
appear to live that kind of lifestyle.
Some decent folk don't want sodomy going on under their roof. Don't
God-fearing Christians who don't want their children to see, hear, or smell
sick homosexuals in action have rights too?
Boy, are YOU a bigot!!
Answer her question.
Let's re-print your SAME statement with
just a couple of minor changes, to show you why. You might JUST
AS WELL have said THIS:
"Don't God-fearing Christians white folks who don't want their
children to see, hear, or smell sick black folks in their vicinity have
rights too?"
Comparing homosexual activities to immutable physical characteristics
is a fallacy of the lowest order.
"`Gay rights' cannot be likened in any fashion to the Black struggle
for Civil Rights. `Gay rights' is not, nor will it ever be, a Civil
Rights issue, but rather a question of morality and individual
values."
-- Rev. Gill Ford
Pastor, Salem Baptist Church
Denver, CO
"The Freedom Bus that went to Selma was never meant to go on to
Sodom."
--Black church pastor in Kansas City, MO
There used to BE such a situation commonly prevailing in America.
Mostly in the South, but in other regions as well. Prior to 1965. On
the part of hateful segregationists. The law no longer allows that.
NOR should it allow such bigotry on the part of renters against
homosexuals. If people DON'T want to rent to people of other races,
or to homosexuals, then they need to get OUT of land management.
People are allowed to be in whatever profession they want and they are
free to associate with whomever they choose. You hate that, don't
you?
The right to MARRY the partner of one's choice, AND to get
the SAME benefits > from that union that heterosexuals do.
Homosexual relationships are a mockery of marriage.
Bullcrap! They are fully as entitled to it as anyone else, and
only BIGOTRY stands in their way.
People may marry whomever they want within the historically and
culturally-specified parameters.
Most homosexuals are promiscuous anyway. I know I was
before I found Jesus. My ex-husband was too.
The SAME is true of most heterosexuals. Particularly when in
their teens, 20s, and 30s.
Well, since you promote promiscuity, it stands to reason you'll
promote other sexual disorientations as well. How utterly depressing.
There is NOTHING "special" about any of that. Except,
perhaps, for the "specialness" of you or any your ilk's LIES, in your
desperate, but lame and transparent attempt, to fool people into
thinking that your hateful agenda against gays has ANY socially
redeeming qualities.
I don't hate homosexuals. I love them and want to help them
overcome their perverted lusts for all the wrong body parts.
What a crock of crapola.
"What does it mean, I asked him, when a man puts the part of himself
which represents the generation of life into the cavity of decay and
expulsion? Seeing the answer all too well, he refused to reply.
Permit me to spell it out. It means 'Life, be swallowed up by
death.'"
--J. Budziszewski, The Revenge of Conscience
See
http://religionandpolitics.web1000.com/homosexualitymedicalfacts.htm
If you REALLY "loved" them, you'd stop
advocation discrimination against them, and stop saying hateful things
about them.
It's hateful to tell people that what they choose to do sexually
defines them as people. Especially when it's promoted as a genetic
characteristic for which there is no escape. And that they're a
"victimized" minority who's problems are attributed to everyone else.
And I thought you were pro-"choice." Ha.
I don't advocate hurting homosexuals or quarantining the DOAs
(people dying of AIDS).
"DOA" means "dead on arrival."
How ironic.
If you attempt to make occupations inaccessible to them,
No one is making anything inaccessable to anyone. This country
recognizes the freedom of association.
Act like a normal human being and you have a chance of getting a job.
Present as a freak or a head-case and you won't. It's really very
simple. People in this culture have always discriminated on the basis
of appearance and behavior. That won't change.
Don't assume everyone else is the problem if you are the one that's
not hirable.
and/or
support the notion of blocking them from access to places to rent,
Most people support the right of freedom of association. That was
upheld in the Supreme Court in the case Dale v. BSA.
No one is "blocking anyone" from anything.
or
seek to bar them from marrying partners that they love JUST as much as
heterosexuals love THEIR partners...
Marriage is not a love construct, and no one is barred from it as long
as they meet the specified criteria.
I want to heal such wicked, spiritually ill persons of their Satanic
afflictions.
There you go, RIGHT off the deep end, again!
Doesn't your own professed religion promote spiritual healing?
Doesn't your religion say that some people will be deceived by an evil
being known as Lucifer, also known as Satan?
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But I can tell you God will save them FROM their reprehensible
oral, anal, and digital sins, but not IN their sins. That means they've
got to straighten up and fly right.
ALL of that applies JUST AS MUCH to HETROsexuals.
Tell us how much of that philosophy you've promoted lately, again?
Isn't THAT special?
Homosexuals are always whining for special treatment, even though
most of them commit heinous crimes.
No kidding? THAT'LL come as a big surprise to the law enforcement
folks.
Doesn't your religion say that sin = a violation of spiritual law?
Wouldn't breaking a religious law make you a religious criminal?
And as for "special treatment," I've *never* known of a gay person
to ask for anything other than EQUALITY with heterosexuals, on all
fronts.
You apparently don't know what "equality" means.
Homosexuals have convinced people that most child molestors are
straight married men whose wives are either frigid or sex-mad nymphos
who can't be satisfied with just one man. I'm here to tell you that
any man who lusts after little boys is a homosexual. Ditto for women
who lust after little girls.
So? Did you expect the homosexual community to be FREE of
individuals having such problems. They have their share, just as the
heterosexual community does. That give you NO excuse to condemn
homosexuals in general.
http://religionandpolitics.web1000.com/homosexualitypedophilia.htm
If you think that YOU "enrich" ANYTHING that you touch, you're
living in a bigot's fantasy world. Your touch is like that of King
Midas... except that anything YOU would touch would instantly be
transformed into the fecal matter of river rats.
What makes you say such ugly things about a woman of God like
me?
"Woman of God?" LOL!!!
Are you judging someone else's spirituality? Perhaps you ought to do
that for yourself first.
I can heal third-degree burns through my faith in God. You must
be full of the devil!
Good. Then get out there and heal people.
You just called her crazy for doing that. Perhaps you ought to make
up your mind.
Let's see you do
something that's GOOD, to offset your mindless hatefulness.
Doesn't your professed religion tell you that it's wrong to substitute
evil for good and good for evil?
(Has anyone ever noticed the utter DISDAIN that these
hyperconservative loons have for anything that's pleasurable?
Perish forbid that anyone should have any "hedonistic" tendencies!
So much BETTER that they live in the netherworld of misery in which
these control-freaks with no lives prefer to immerse themselves.
LOL!!! Thanks anyway, loon, but SENSIBLE people who HAVE
lives will PASS on that!)
This life is supposed to be full of hardship and toil.
SO MUCH then for Jesus having come to give us life, to live
abundantly.
Actually, doesn't your religion say that longsuffering is a virtue
along with joy?
Wouldn't it make sense, in your professed religion, that denying the
flesh would mean that people *would* live more abundantly since they
then would be spared the consequences that come from indulging worldly
desires?
Because doesn't your religion say that fornicators will not enter in
the kingdom of God? I guess fornicators aren't living, nor will they
live, life abundantly...will they?
And the same was true BEFORE Christ came to earth,
as we see in Deuteronomy 28:11.
Actually, we see the entire chapter of Deut 28 is dependent on the
first verse:
Deuteronomy 28
1 And it shall come to pass, ***if thou shalt hearken diligently
unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his
commandments which I command thee this day***, that the LORD thy God
will set thee on high above all nations of the earth.
Makes sense, doesn't it? That you won't get anything unless you are
obedient?
Read John 14:21 lately?
God has NO desire for our lives
to be as you described. Quite the opposite!
Um, what about 2 Timothy 4:2?
2 Corinthians 1:6-8?
We are fighting ignorance, poverty, and sin on all sides.
Go for it. Worthy goals.
Are you fighting ignorance, poverty and sin?
UNLESS you perceive that which people do
in PRIVATE to be "sinful."
Um, doesn't your Bible tell you what is and is not sin, regardless of
where it takes place?
Their behavior is NONE of your business.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it
still make a sound?
If a person commits a sin in private, does your God still consider it
a sin?
We'll get our rewards in heaven, not before. That doesn't mean we
can't be happy on earth.
Not particularly CONSISTENT, are you?
Not particularly warm and caring toward your fellow religion people,
are you? Doesn't your religion tell you to be gentle as a dove or
something? Maybe you took that to mean take a dump on their car.
I don't think the word 'happiness' appears in the NT.
But I found this which may be relevant.
http://www.ccel.org/s/smith_hw/secret/secret.htm
I'm delighted to be able to serve the Lord by saving sick,
crazed, deluded homosexuals from the horrors of eternal hellfire.
ROTFL!!! You'd be BETTER served to do that for people in
GENERAL...
Um, are you doing that in general?
Homosexuals are always attacking religion because they are
of their father the devil.
MORE ignorant bullcrap.
No, it's scriptural truth. Read the Bible.
And even IF so, WHERE does the Bible appoint YOU to act
as its Gestapo?
Who said she was acting in any fashion? Last time I checked, she's
allowed to voice her opinion, especially if it's a religious one.
You think that YOUR being a heterosexual makes you BETTER
than they are? Do you by any chance recall Jesus' statement, "Let
he who is among you without sin cast the first stone." (?)
I never stone people.
The "stones" that YOU pitch at people probably won't kill them,
but they WILL serve to make their lives miserable, and generate a
very justifiable degree of LOATHING for you, on their part.
Doesn't your religion say that spiritual people judge all things? So
if the person with whom you are arguing does not engage in what she
preaches against, what exactly are you admonishing her for? Hurting
people's feelings? BFD. YOUR professed religion says that Christians
will be hated for Christ's sake.
He also said that "except your righteousness shall exceed the
righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter
into the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:20).
Good advice! You're the biggest 21st-century variety of Pharisee
I've seen in here lately. You should take that to heart.
Craig, I've seen every Christian who's wandered through here accuse
you that way. You'd think so many would add up and you'd start to
think about it.
It was the hypocritical Pharisees who wanted to stone the adulterous
hussy woman even though most of them were even bigger sinners than
she was.
"Hussy" woman, huh?
The Bible refers to them as whores. Which, I suppose, is worse.
You'd have been right in there with them,
picking up the rocks.
How do you know what someone "would have done?"
That doesn't mean we're all free to sin day and night the way
homosexuals do with their upper and downer dope.
NOW they use DRUGS more than heterosexuals do, TOO, huh?
"Some researchers have reported a trend toward an increase in
alcoholism or problem drinking among homosexual men (Lohrenz LJ,
Connelly JC, Coyne L, Spare KE. Alcohol problems in several midwestern
homosexual communities. J Stud Alcohol 1978;39:1959-63) (Pillard RC.
Sexual orientation and mental disorder. Psychiatr Ann 1988;18:52-6)
The use of illicit drugs ...... has also been reported to be more
frequent among homosexual women than among heterosexual women, and a
similar trend has been observed among men (Saghir, et al.)."
(The New England Journal of Medicine.
N Engl J Med 1994; 331: 923-930. October 6, 1994
Section: Special Article. Homosexuality.
From the Department of Psychiatry, Columbia
University College of Physicians and Surgeons
(R.C.F., J.I.D.), the New York State Psychiatric Institute
(J.I.D.), and the Department of Psychology,
Adelphi University (R.C.F.) -- all in New York.
Friedman, Richard C.; Downey, Jennifer, I.)
We must purge ourselves of all unnatural desires and affections.
Good. DO that.
Do YOU do that?
I know whereof I speak. I was a wicked lesbian who made a
pact with Satan to destroy marriages. Christ redeemed my rotten
soul with His precious blood.
I hate to break this to you, but your soul is probably every bit
as rotten now, as a hateful BIGOT, than it ever was as a lesbian.
Um, how can you speak for another person's soul?
And quite possibly MORE so. You are very deluded.
Doesn't your religion preach redemption through Christ by blood? So
how is she "deluded?"
I also don't throw stones. I merely preach the Good News about
Jesus Christ and point out sin whenever I see it.
I've seen very LITTLE gospel-preaching by you in here.
Actually it seems you wouldn't know, since every sentence you've
stated here is a violation of your own supposed religion. So I doubt
you'd know it even if you saw it.
But
that's logical, since the gospel and HATRED are mutually-exclusive.
Um, actually your professed religion teaches hate for all sin and that
God hates "workers of iniquity." So you're incorrect.
We are called to reprove sinners and cleanse lepers.
Good. Go to Molokai. You might still find a few of them there.
You can probably find them in all countries since it seems there are
over a half-million lepers.
Homosexuals are spiritual lepers bearing Satan's mark in their flesh.
Delusional to the 4th power.
How is that delusional since you profess Christianity and such a
statement is more or less consistent with it's teachings?
The Bible DOES authorize you to INFORM people.
Why do you act like you or someone you like is being "imposed upon"
when she does?
What Biblical precepts are you informing people about, Craig?
It does NOT
authorize you to HARRASS them, or impose your will upon them.
Who said either one of those things was happening?
They become slaves to the great ***** of Sodom and Gomorrah.
God offers them freedom from bondage to their mortal flesh.
And you think that God is INCAPABLE of reaching them, about this,
if He wanted to?
Doesn't your religion basically teach that God reaches people through
other people?
Most gays HAVE that misperception because of a tiny minority of
hateful PSEUDO-Christians like you, and don't realize that MOST
Christians are compassionate, fair-minded, and want NOTHING to
do with such bigotry. You are ANATHEMA to all that Christ taught
and stands for.
If you think that, you worship a false Christ. Christ came here to
save sinners, not to reward them for their sins. Homosexuals are
lustful, vengeful, and lazy. Do you think those attributes are
virtues?
There's only ONE Christ. But you aren't doing his image a whole
lot of good in society by being a BIGOT "in His name."
What does the dictionary say "bigotry" means? That's a word that
would apply to Christ himself.
...and bring up those children in the fear of God.
Yeah. Right. Perish forbid that children should be brought up to
LOVE God, instead!
Doesn't your religion say that the fear of God is the beginning of
wisdom?
If people didn't fear God, why would they want to follow him?
THANK YOU for PROVING your complete and unmitigated
IGNORANCE to all of us! What do you do when you meet a
homosexual? Hold a crucifix in front of you? Threaten him or
her with a wooden stake and a mallet?
Crucifixes are idolatrous.
Say, you don't really care WHO you trash, do you? NOW you've
just done it to a BILLION Roman Catholics.
Yawn.
The controversies between Catholics and Protestants is ages old,
starting at the Inquisition. You're not going to solve it.
(To go along with you
BILLION-plus Chinese, 150 million Japanese, and gosh only knows HOW
many hundreds of millions of homosexuals.) Pretty soon, NO one in the
world will want anything to do with you.
Doesn't your religion state that being friendly with the world makes
you God's enemy? Doesn't it also state that it is dangerous when men
think good of you?
I don't want to murder homosexuals. I want to cure them.
There are probably a whole LOT of them that would like to see YOU
cured, about now. Of your hateful and mindless bigotry.
Bigotry is not something that should be "cured" because it's not a
problem.
LOL!!! You are too bone-ignorant and hateful to even be a
PSEUDO-Christian. Your views are ANATHEMA to all that Jesus
preached.
What, exactly, did Jesus preach, Chilton?
Much of society is becoming anti-Christian.
What are you doing about that?
If you can't see the plain truth before your eyes I suggest you
consult an exorcist and have the demons of doubt cast out of you
one by one.
I don't know about exorcists, but *you* could certinly stand to
see a good shrink.
Actually, doesn't your religion preach against psychiatry as a
doctrine of man? It's based on secular humanism, which is in direct
opposition to the idea of sin repudiation and salvation...no?
Christ would never argue that behavioral (sin) problems should be
medicalized, which removes the idea of personal responsibility. Would
he?
That's it! You are 'WAY too bone-ignorant to be worth ANYONE'S
wasting time on.
And yet you wasted your time again and again on her posts, it seems.
RRR cultists, to varying degrees, are just plain crazy. And MOST
of them are about as far from being Christian as they can get.
Who are you to define who True Christians are?
The Bible tells us what Christains should be like.
That's interesting, since not a single Christian travelling through
this NG has accepted that description as applying to you, Craig.
I have a personal, day-to-day relationship with my Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ.
Then you must be a constant frustration to Him, since you haven't
learned anything.
What have YOU learned, Craig?
--S
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