Science > Abortion > Bishop Morlino Opposes 'Emergency Contraception' in Catholic Hospitals
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Bishop Morlino Opposes 'Emergency Contraception' in Catholic Hospitals |
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Wisconsin Bishop confronts legislature
12/22/2007
Catholic News Agency
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if a
pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," Bishop Robert C. Morlino
MADISON, WI (CNA) - Bishop Robert C. Morlino of the Diocese of Madison has
urged opposition to a state bill that would mandate hospitals, including
Catholic ones, to administer the morning after pill, "emergency
contraception," upon request to women who have been raped.
In the newspaper for the Diocese of Madison, Bishop Morlino explained to
readers that the bill did not protect the consciences of institutions or
individuals who want to protect both women who have been raped and any
babies possibly conceived in that rape.
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if a
pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," he said.
Bishop Morlino expanded on his concerns in a letter to the members of the
Wisconsin Legislature. He insisted that the safety, inherent dignity, and
God-given rights of women were deeply important.
In fact, the bishop said that Catholic hospitals have always provided
emergency contraception "when this was appropriate." He said that such
treatment was appropriate when every effort had been made to ensure the drug
would not prevent implantation of a newly conceived human being. In cases
where implantation was prevented, he explained, "this would amount to an
abortion."
The bishop said this was not a distinctively Catholic issue, "but a matter
of biology and human rights."
Bishop Morlino distanced himself from the earlier stance of the Wisconsin
Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had adopted a neutral position towards
the bill. He said the position of neutrality did not have its desired
effect, and inadvertently caused scandal among Catholics who began to
believe the bishops were becoming less fervently pro-life. Bishop Morlino
also said Bishop Jerome Listecki of the Diocese of LaCrosse was supporting
him in his new approach against the legislation.
In his letter to the legislature Bishop Morlino said he was "firmly
convinced" that conscience exemptions to the bill were threatened. He also
questioned the motives of some supporters of the bill, saying, "It is clear
that Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and their colleagues are more interested in
promoting a state-supported, contraceptive ideology than they are in simply,
reasonably, protecting women."
Bishop Morlino said that the peace especially hoped for in the Christmas
season can only happen "when there is respect for every human being,
protecting every woman and every pre-born human child."
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J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1gjh5l.qsr.17.1@news.alt.net...
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Wisconsin Bishop confronts legislature
12/22/2007
Catholic News Agency
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," Bishop Robert C. Morlino
MADISON, WI (CNA) - Bishop Robert C. Morlino of the Diocese of Madison has
urged opposition to a state bill that would mandate hospitals, including
Catholic ones, to administer the morning after pill, "emergency
contraception," upon request to women who have been raped.
This is a free country and women have a right to make this choice. what are
you - some kind of Nazi???
In the newspaper for the Diocese of Madison, Bishop Morlino explained to
readers that the bill did not protect the consciences of institutions or
individuals who want to protect both women who have been raped and any
babies possibly conceived in that rape.
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," he said.
Bishop Morlino expanded on his concerns in a letter to the members of the
Wisconsin Legislature. He insisted that the safety, inherent dignity, and
God-given rights of women were deeply important.
In fact, the bishop said that Catholic hospitals have always provided
emergency contraception "when this was appropriate." He said that such
treatment was appropriate when every effort had been made to ensure the
drug would not prevent implantation of a newly conceived human being. In
cases where implantation was prevented, he explained, "this would amount
to an abortion."
The bishop said this was not a distinctively Catholic issue, "but a matter
of biology and human rights."
Bishop Morlino distanced himself from the earlier stance of the Wisconsin
Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had adopted a neutral position
towards the bill. He said the position of neutrality did not have its
desired effect, and inadvertently caused scandal among Catholics who began
to believe the bishops were becoming less fervently pro-life. Bishop
Morlino also said Bishop Jerome Listecki of the Diocese of LaCrosse was
supporting him in his new approach against the legislation.
In his letter to the legislature Bishop Morlino said he was "firmly
convinced" that conscience exemptions to the bill were threatened. He also
questioned the motives of some supporters of the bill, saying, "It is
clear that Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and their colleagues are more
interested in promoting a state-supported, contraceptive ideology than
they are in simply, reasonably, protecting women."
Bishop Morlino said that the peace especially hoped for in the Christmas
season can only happen "when there is respect for every human being,
protecting every woman and every pre-born human child."
--
J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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On Dec 23, 1:07=A0pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1gjh5l.qsr.17.1@news.alt.net...
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=3D26260
Wisconsin Bishop confronts legislature
12/22/2007
Catholic News Agency
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but i=
f
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child al=
so
requires our protection," Bishop Robert C. Morlino
MADISON, WI (CNA) - Bishop Robert C. Morlino of the Diocese of Madison h=
as
urged opposition to a state bill that would mandate hospitals, including=
Catholic ones, to administer the morning after pill, "emergency
contraception," upon request to women who have been raped.
This is a free country and women have a right to make this choice. what ar=
e
you - some kind of Nazi???
=2E..and a pedophile.
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24 Dec 2007 10:52:39 AM |
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On Dec 23, 2:07=A0pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1gjh5l.qsr.17.1@news.alt.net...
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=3D26260
Wisconsin Bishop confronts legislature
12/22/2007
Catholic News Agency
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but i=
f
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child al=
so
requires our protection," Bishop Robert C. Morlino
MADISON, WI (CNA) - Bishop Robert C. Morlino of the Diocese of Madison h=
as
urged opposition to a state bill that would mandate hospitals, including=
Catholic ones, to administer the morning after pill, "emergency
contraception," upon request to women who have been raped.
This is a free country and women have a right to make this choice. what ar=
e
you - some kind of Nazi???
In the newspaper for the Diocese of Madison, Bishop Morlino explained to=
readers that the bill did not protect the consciences of institutions or=
individuals who want to protect both women who have been raped and any
babies possibly conceived in that rape.
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but i=
f
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child al=
so
requires our protection," he said.
Bishop Morlino expanded on his concerns in a letter to the members of th=
e
Wisconsin Legislature. He insisted that the safety, inherent dignity, an=
d
God-given rights of women were deeply important.
In fact, the bishop said that Catholic hospitals have always provided
emergency contraception "when this was appropriate." He said that such
treatment was appropriate when every effort had been made to ensure the
drug would not prevent implantation of a newly conceived human being. In=
cases where implantation was prevented, he explained, "this would amount=
to an abortion."
The bishop said this was not a distinctively Catholic issue, "but a matt=
er
of biology and human rights."
Bishop Morlino distanced himself from the earlier stance of the Wisconsi=
n
Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had adopted a neutral position
towards the bill. He said the position of neutrality did not have its
desired effect, and inadvertently caused scandal among Catholics who beg=
an
to believe the bishops were becoming less fervently pro-life. Bishop
Morlino also said Bishop Jerome Listecki of the Diocese of LaCrosse was
supporting him in his new approach against the legislation.
In his letter to the legislature Bishop Morlino said he was "firmly
convinced" that conscience exemptions to the bill were threatened. He al=
so
questioned the motives of some supporters of the bill, saying, "It is
clear that Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and their colleagues are more
interested in promoting a state-supported, contraceptive ideology than
they are in simply, reasonably, protecting women."
Bishop Morlino said that the peace especially hoped for in the Christmas=
season can only happen "when there is respect for every human being,
protecting every woman and every pre-born human child."
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J Young
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You don't want to act like a hospital?....have the state revoke the
liscence to practice medicine for those who work there....simple.
Hatter
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24 Dec 2007 09:04:32 AM |
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Bishop Morino is obviously opposed to women's freedom to control their own
bodies!
The Catholic Church is a pure dictatorship!
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1gjh5l.qsr.17.1@news.alt.net...
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Wisconsin Bishop confronts legislature
12/22/2007
Catholic News Agency
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," Bishop Robert C. Morlino
MADISON, WI (CNA) - Bishop Robert C. Morlino of the Diocese of Madison has
urged opposition to a state bill that would mandate hospitals, including
Catholic ones, to administer the morning after pill, "emergency
contraception," upon request to women who have been raped.
In the newspaper for the Diocese of Madison, Bishop Morlino explained to
readers that the bill did not protect the consciences of institutions or
individuals who want to protect both women who have been raped and any
babies possibly conceived in that rape.
"Women who have suffered the tragedy of rape need to be protected, but if
a pre-born child has been already conceived, the future of that child also
requires our protection," he said.
Bishop Morlino expanded on his concerns in a letter to the members of the
Wisconsin Legislature. He insisted that the safety, inherent dignity, and
God-given rights of women were deeply important.
In fact, the bishop said that Catholic hospitals have always provided
emergency contraception "when this was appropriate." He said that such
treatment was appropriate when every effort had been made to ensure the
drug would not prevent implantation of a newly conceived human being. In
cases where implantation was prevented, he explained, "this would amount
to an abortion."
The bishop said this was not a distinctively Catholic issue, "but a matter
of biology and human rights."
Bishop Morlino distanced himself from the earlier stance of the Wisconsin
Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had adopted a neutral position
towards the bill. He said the position of neutrality did not have its
desired effect, and inadvertently caused scandal among Catholics who began
to believe the bishops were becoming less fervently pro-life. Bishop
Morlino also said Bishop Jerome Listecki of the Diocese of LaCrosse was
supporting him in his new approach against the legislation.
In his letter to the legislature Bishop Morlino said he was "firmly
convinced" that conscience exemptions to the bill were threatened. He also
questioned the motives of some supporters of the bill, saying, "It is
clear that Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and their colleagues are more
interested in promoting a state-supported, contraceptive ideology than
they are in simply, reasonably, protecting women."
Bishop Morlino said that the peace especially hoped for in the Christmas
season can only happen "when there is respect for every human being,
protecting every woman and every pre-born human child."
--
J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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23 Dec 2007 05:49:13 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and
rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives." Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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* their legislature should make no law respecting *
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23 Dec 2007 05:54:23 PM |
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"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Heidi
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23 Dec 2007 06:00:51 PM |
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Heidi Graw wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
One scenario you can never get these guys to answer is this one (which
has been produced on many occasions):
You are in a lab. In a refrigerated box, you have 500 fertilized
blastocysts which are still viable. On the other side of the room is a
1-year-old girl. The lab is on fire. You have time to only save the
refrigerated box or the girl. If you get the box out of the fire, the
girl is burned alive in utter agony. If you get the girl out, the 500
blastocysts are killed.
What do you do?
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* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
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30 Dec 2007 02:17:13 PM |
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On Dec 23, 4:00 pm, DanielSan <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote:
Heidi Graw wrote:
"DanielSan" <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
One scenario you can never get these guys to answer is this one (which
has been produced on many occasions):
You are in a lab. In a refrigerated box, you have 500 fertilized
blastocysts which are still viable. On the other side of the room is a
1-year-old girl. The lab is on fire. You have time to only save the
refrigerated box or the girl. If you get the box out of the fire, the
girl is burned alive in utter agony. If you get the girl out, the 500
blastocysts are killed.
What do you do?
I would think you save the 1 year old as she is a finished product of
a resource that is not scarce. That said, your analogy has nothing to
do with the abortion debate as the fire and saving of life is a
controlled element with no environment or time constraints.
Regards...
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24 Dec 2007 01:09:17 PM |
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In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse.
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to gestate
"zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job raising them
(provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster or legally
abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.html
"Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet winter
climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property crime capital
of North America. According to a recent report break-ins happen here at
a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C. Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined violent
and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and the United
States."
regards,
PolishKnight
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25 Dec 2007 06:27:05 AM |
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On Dec 24, 1:09=A0pm, PolishKnight <mar...@cox.net> wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
=A0"Heidi Graw" <hg...@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=3D26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.=
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: =A0"I prevented zygocide. =A0Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! =A0On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse. =A0
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support,
I guess the welfare of children is not on your priority list,
afterall...
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30 Dec 2007 12:19:03 AM |
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On Dec 25, 7:27=A0am, "Gwyne=F0 Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...@gmail.com>
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On Dec 24, 1:09=A0pm, PolishKnight <mar...@cox.net> wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
=A0"Heidi Graw" <hg...@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=3D26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is bor=
n.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: =A0"I prevented zygocide. =A0Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! =A0On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse. =A0
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support,
I guess the welfare of children is not on your priority list,
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There is a clear non-regard in the Catholic Church, believe me when I
say, t'was raised in that environment. Although we all know their
regard for the child is clear, their screaming lack of caring about
women is huge. And in rape??? This was addressed years ago. Any
Catholic child on the planet clearly knows that some of us were born
of marriage-rape, don't want a child, doesn't matter, you're are
expected to. Here we are. Our Moms were married, after all, they
should expect to have a child every year. In marriage, your brain is
not an issue. But a rape victim? This woman should not be expected
to give birth to this child....does her life have no regard? In the
Catholic Church, apparently not.....these discussions should no longer
exist. This was a rape. All choices are up to the victim, what is
she afraid of? She will not go to hell if she has an abortion...all
the old woman-hating, boy-loving priests will be long in hell before
she has to think about it. A heinous crime was committed against her
body and her life....what year is this?
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24 Dec 2007 02:01:43 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse.
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to gestate
"zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job raising them
(provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster or legally
abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.html
"Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet winter
climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property crime capital
of North America. According to a recent report break-ins happen here at
a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C. Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined violent
and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and the United
States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
regards,
PolishKnight
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| User: "PolishKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
24 Dec 2007 04:44:53 PM |
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In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00jsfj0@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse.
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to gestate
"zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job raising them
(provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster or legally
abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.html
"Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet winter
climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property crime capital
of North America. According to a recent report break-ins happen here at
a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C. Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined violent
and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and the United
States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an abortion
doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw, then the rights of a woman to
choose to gestate impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for exploiting
children is just as bad if not worse since they are likely to always
have abortion rights in one state or another.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this discussion on
Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God himself sent an emissary to
communicate to Joseph to the importance that God's son not be born into
a single mother family.
regards,
PolishKnight
.
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| User: "Turin" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
24 Dec 2007 06:14:34 PM |
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On Dec 24, 5:44 pm, PolishKnight <mar...@cox.net> wrote:
In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00js...@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <mar...@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hg...@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some orphanage"
are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer largesse.
Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to gestate
"zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job raising them
(provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster or legally
abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.html
"Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet winter
climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property crime capital
of North America. According to a recent report break-ins happen here at
a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C. Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined violent
and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and the United
States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an abortion
doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
Because you didn't have the guts to say "yes".
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw, then the rights of a woman to
choose to gestate impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
Since, when? Aren't plenty of pro-choicers pro-welfare, too?
Tip: take the pipe out of the mouth and give ***** schtick a rest.
Think b4 u talk and say something that policy makers can use,
instead.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for exploiting
children is just as bad if not worse since they are likely to always
have abortion rights in one state or another.
As usual, our yes-man closet-liberal frames a response in terms of
what someone else would do. This is why neocons haven't passed *****
on social issues in almost two decades of blah-blahing on the radio.
Even on economics, it's only the rich who've gotten their tax breaks.
Meanwhile, the dwiddle-class has been forced to accept the cop-out of
"trickle down" prosperity while they keep paying the same and their
properties goes bust......Lmao@all-u-assholes. Where's Debwhorah?
She ought to be enjoying some of this.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this discussion on
Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God himself sent an emissary to
communicate to Joseph to the importance that God's son not be born into
a single mother family.
Yeah, well, God's Son told people to sell their possessions and give
that money to the poor (Mark 10:21-23). Gee, that neatly short-
circuits all of that bourgeois prosperity Christianity. ...See you
sanctimonious hypocrites in hell. ;D
- - -
"And they were not able to resist the wisdom
and the spirit by which he spake":
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://www.myspace.com/turin_turambar
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First/ ♂
http://turinturambar.fortunecity.com/blog/
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
retards (like),
PolishKnight
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
24 Dec 2007 04:58:24 PM |
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PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net> wrote in
news:marek1-1CA016.17445324122007@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:
In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00jsfj0@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is
born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some
orphanage" are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer
largesse. Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to
gestate "zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job
raising them (provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster
or legally abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.ht
ml "Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet
winter climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property
crime capital of North America. According to a recent report
break-ins happen here at a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New
York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per
100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C.
Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined
violent and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and
the United States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an abortion
doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw,
No pro-choice advocate that I know of claims that. Where do you anti-
choice loons get your bs lies from, FoolishBlight?
then the rights of a woman
to choose to gestate
....or not is purely up to her.
impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
So is your sanity, FoolishBlight.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for exploiting
children is just as bad if not worse since they are likely to always
have abortion rights in one state or another.
"Pro-life" is a misnomer used by anti-choice loons like yourself,
FoolishBlight.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this discussion
on Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God himself sent an
emissary to communicate to Joseph to the importance that God's son not
be born into a single mother family.
Prove any god exists or ever existed, FoolishBlight.
regards,
PolishKnight
.
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| User: "S_MacCloud" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
25 Dec 2007 06:25:29 AM |
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BOB wrote:
PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net> wrote in
news:marek1-1CA016.17445324122007@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:
In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00jsfj0@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is
born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some
orphanage" are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer
largesse. Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to
gestate "zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job
raising them (provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster
or legally abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.ht
ml "Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet
winter climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property
crime capital of North America. According to a recent report
break-ins happen here at a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New
York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per
100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C.
Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined
violent and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and
the United States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an abortion
doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw,
No pro-choice advocate that I know of claims that. Where do you anti-
choice loons get your bs lies from, FoolishBlight?
then the rights of a woman
to choose to gestate
...or not is purely up to her.
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy. We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
So then it simply becomes a question of what rights and choices should be
allowed and which ones should be stopped (for the good of 'everyone').
Liberals (unwittingly or not) believe in breeding for --and or politically
triangulating with-- more moat structure for their pretender-to-throne
powergrab; or they are simply ignorant rebels (teens et al) conforming to the
grand-- and ironic --cult of supposed non conformity.
I believe idiots and the inexperienced should not be allowed to drive, vote
or raise children/give birth (for starters). The reason is I believe in age
of reason informed democracy.
Don't you?
impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
So is your sanity, FoolishBlight.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for exploiting
children is just as bad if not worse since they are likely to always
have abortion rights in one state or another.
"Pro-life" is a misnomer used by anti-choice loons like yourself,
FoolishBlight.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this discussion
on Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God himself sent an
emissary to communicate to Joseph to the importance that God's son not
be born into a single mother family.
Prove any god exists or ever existed, FoolishBlight.
What the mother ***** does that ***** ***** sucker g_d have to do with
whether or not I/ we /--anyone-- should advocate breeding for an
overpopulated planet of ill raised /congenetially moronic assholes or not.
Along with god, ***** idiots and wimmins who outbreed me/us/anyone through an
unconstitutional largess apparatus.
regards,
PolishKnight
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| User: "PolishKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
25 Dec 2007 10:29:41 AM |
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In article <0B6cj.1$UF.0@newsfe12.lga>,
S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
BOB wrote:
PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net> wrote in
news:marek1-1CA016.17445324122007@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:
In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00jsfj0@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26260
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after it is
born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest bidder.
If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in a ghetto
or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some
orphanage" are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer
largesse. Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and social
safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers continue to
gestate "zygotes" into poverty all on their own and do a lousy job
raising them (provided they don't put the baby in a garbage dumpster
or legally abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women but it
doesn't mean that they will have society's or the children's best
interests at heart. Be sure that your car has an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-crime.ht
ml "Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case this dark wet
winter climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is now the property
crime capital of North America. According to a recent report
break-ins happen here at a per-capita rate FOUR TIMES that of New
York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per
100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C.
Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined
violent and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and
the United States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to have
abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an abortion
doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw,
No pro-choice advocate that I know of claims that. Where do you anti-
choice loons get your bs lies from, FoolishBlight?
then the rights of a woman
to choose to gestate
...or not is purely up to her.
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy. We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
So then it simply becomes a question of what rights and choices should be
allowed and which ones should be stopped (for the good of 'everyone').
Liberals (unwittingly or not) believe in breeding for --and or politically
triangulating with-- more moat structure for their pretender-to-throne
powergrab; or they are simply ignorant rebels (teens et al) conforming to the
grand-- and ironic --cult of supposed non conformity.
I believe idiots and the inexperienced should not be allowed to drive, vote
or raise children/give birth (for starters). The reason is I believe in age
of reason informed democracy.
Don't you?
Hello and Merry Christmas!
Liberals and leftists will preach until they're blue in the face that
they believe in equality and fairness, blah blah blah, but as you
pointed out: It's just a power grab and their need to feel they belong
to a club even if they're just the ushers and janitors. Never
underestimate peoples' need to feel important.
Note the emphasis BOB places on _women's_ rights to "choose" to do as
they please. "He" (maybe a she) realizes that such a one-sided
entitlement doesn't exist in a vacuum and that someone else has to pay
the piper.
impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
So is your sanity, FoolishBlight.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for exploiting
children is just as bad if not worse since they are likely to always
have abortion rights in one state or another.
"Pro-life" is a misnomer used by anti-choice loons like yourself,
FoolishBlight.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this discussion
on Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God himself sent an
emissary to communicate to Joseph to the importance that God's son not
be born into a single mother family.
Prove any god exists or ever existed, FoolishBlight.
What the mother ***** does that ***** ***** sucker g_d have to do with
whether or not I/ we /--anyone-- should advocate breeding for an
overpopulated planet of ill raised /congenetially moronic assholes or not.
Along with god, ***** idiots and wimmins who outbreed me/us/anyone through an
unconstitutional largess apparatus.
God apparently has quite a bit to do with it based upon the left's
hatred of Him. God is a competitor to the state for absolute moral
authority and savior of humanity. We don't expect God to provide us
with "free" education, welfare, daycare, etc. God says He helps those
who helps themselves. NOT help those who helps themselves to other
people's wealth through the state...
Christians have many flaws, but one of them isn't that they make bad
neighbors. Even the left's preaching of libertine sacred dogmatic
values of "do what you like" is no longer true as sexual harassment
legislation and white guilt has made them more prudish and hung up than
a Shaker.
regards,
PolishKnight
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion rights: They don't work! |
25 Dec 2007 11:11:05 AM |
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PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net> wrote in
news:marek1-7B91B9.11294125122007@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:
In article <0B6cj.1$UF.0@newsfe12.lga>,
S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
BOB wrote:
PolishKnight <marek1@cox.net> wrote in
news:marek1-1CA016.17445324122007@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:
In article <cs30n3l25lipat37019l8j2g9cc00jsfj0@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0500, PolishKnight
<marek1@cox.net> wrote:
In article <PyCbj.11262$wy2.1399@edtnps90>,
"Heidi Graw" <hgraw@telus.net> wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fa-dnZ5Wyr_pbvPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
J Young wrote:
Bishop Morlino is obviously a most compassionate human
being.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=2626
0
Daniel wrote:
One has to wonder who is going to care for the child after
it is born.
If it ends up a white kid, it'll be sold to the highest
bidder. If it turns out a black kid, it'll either languish in
a ghetto or in some orphange.
One place we know it won't be cared for is
by the Pro-Lifers who want to "rescue"
these zygotes.
PL: "I prevented zygocide. Now *you*
raise it."
Hahahaha! On the contrary Heidi:
Most of the children "languish[ing] in a ghetto or in some
orphanage" are the products of unwed mothers funded by taxpayer
largesse. Religious orphanages are usually privately funded.
What we do KNOW is that even with all the abortion rights and
social safety nets and "child" support, that unwed mothers
continue to gestate "zygotes" into poverty all on their own and
do a lousy job raising them (provided they don't put the baby
in a garbage dumpster or legally abandon them.)
Abortion is just another get-out-of-jail-free card for women
but it doesn't mean that they will have society's or the
children's best interests at heart. Be sure that your car has
an alarm system...
http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/12/were-number-1-in-property-cri
me.ht ml "Lock up your condo and hide your car! Just in case
this dark wet winter climate isn't dismal enough, Vancouver is
now the property crime capital of North America. According to a
recent report break-ins happen here at a per-capita rate FOUR
TIMES that of New York City.
Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per
100,000
residents while New York City had just over 300.
The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C.
Progress
Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined
violent and property crime rate among all major cities in
Canada and the United States."
So you're advocating that we force impoverished single women to
have abortions, then?
Not all of them. For starters, they should be pregnant (an
abortion doesn't make sense otherwise. :-)
But yeah, sure. Why not?
If you're a pro-choicer who wants to claim that abortion is not
sufficiently morally repugnant to outlaw,
No pro-choice advocate that I know of claims that. Where do you
anti- choice loons get your bs lies from, FoolishBlight?
then the rights of a woman
to choose to gestate
...or not is purely up to her.
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are
for females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy. We
(ie liberal west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are
absolute and untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a
huge police state specifically to control the rights and choices of
people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the
motorist how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however
one wants --for the (apparent) good of everyone.
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
So then it simply becomes a question of what rights and choices
should be allowed and which ones should be stopped (for the good of
'everyone').
Liberals (unwittingly or not) believe in breeding for --and or
politically triangulating with-- more moat structure for their
pretender-to-throne powergrab; or they are simply ignorant rebels
(teens et al) conforming to the grand-- and ironic --cult of supposed
non conformity.
I believe idiots and the inexperienced should not be allowed to
drive, vote or raise children/give birth (for starters). The reason
is I believe in age of reason informed democracy.
Don't you?
Hello and Merry Christmas!
Liberals and leftists will preach until they're blue in the face that
they believe in equality and fairness, blah blah blah, but as you
pointed out: It's just a power grab and their need to feel they belong
to a club even if they're just the ushers and janitors. Never
underestimate peoples' need to feel important.
Note the emphasis BOB places on _women's_ rights to "choose" to do as
they please.
You are lying, I never said that.
"He" (maybe a she) realizes that such a one-sided
entitlement doesn't exist in a vacuum and that someone else has to pay
the piper.
Get your facts straight.
impovershed children onto the taxpayer dole is
questionable.
So is your sanity, FoolishBlight.
If you're a pro-lifer, then allowing women to use abortion as a
blackmail tool for poor women to get state benefits for
exploiting children is just as bad if not worse since they are
likely to always have abortion rights in one state or another.
"Pro-life" is a misnomer used by anti-choice loons like yourself,
FoolishBlight.
I'm just thinking that it's ironic that we're having this
discussion on Christmas Eve but it fits right in since God
himself sent an emissary to communicate to Joseph to the
importance that God's son not be born into a single mother
family.
Prove any god exists or ever existed, FoolishBlight.
What the mother ***** does that ***** ***** sucker g_d have to do
with whether or not I/ we /--anyone-- should advocate breeding for an
overpopulated planet of ill raised /congenetially moronic assholes or
not.
Along with god, ***** idiots and wimmins who outbreed me/us/anyone
through an unconstitutional largess apparatus.
God apparently has quite a bit to do with it based upon the left's
hatred of Him. God is a competitor to the state for absolute moral
authority and savior of humanity. We don't expect God to provide us
with "free" education, welfare, daycare, etc. God says He helps those
who helps themselves. NOT help those who helps themselves to other
people's wealth through the state...
Christians have many flaws, but one of them isn't that they make bad
neighbors. Even the left's preaching of libertine sacred dogmatic
values of "do what you like" is no longer true as sexual harassment
legislation and white guilt has made them more prudish and hung up
than a Shaker.
Your "god" is a nothing but a wishful myth, a fantasy. There is absolutely
no verifiable evidence that any "god" exists or ever existed. Get real.
regards,
PolishKnight
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S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy.
It's a strawman.
We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
"Bad" according to you? Sounds like eugenics.
So then it simply becomes a question of what rights and choices should be
allowed and which ones should be stopped (for the good of 'everyone').
Liberals (unwittingly or not) believe in
pny sentence that starts that way is almost certain to be *****.
breeding for --and or politically
triangulating with-- more moat structure for their pretender-to-throne
powergrab; or they are simply ignorant rebels (teens et al) conforming to the
grand-- and ironic --cult of supposed non conformity.
Or you're a reactionary bigot demonizing liberals.
I believe idiots and the inexperienced should not be allowed to drive, vote
or raise children/give birth (for starters). The reason is I believe in age
of reason informed democracy.
Definitely eugenics.
Don't you?
What's next? Forced sterilization for "liberals"?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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25 Dec 2007 03:50:33 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy.
It's a strawman.
Ray Fischer. He doesn't work either.
We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit? Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
Such as Ray Fischer's parents.
What's next? Forced sterilization for "liberals"?
If there's any justice.
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27 Dec 2007 12:24:19 AM |
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy.
It's a strawman.
Ray Fischer. He doesn't work either.
Oh look, another right-wing bigot who doesn't have a clue.
We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit?
Yes, *****.
Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
How stupid are you, *****? What do you think that the Indianapolis
race track is? It's a private road! People drive 200MPH on that
road.
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
Such as Ray Fischer's parents.
Another goose-stepping nazi shows the world how murderously stupid he is.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Dec 2007 12:38:46 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:47716b36$0$36399$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
S_MacCloud <Sean_MacCloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote:
This notion that rights and choices are absolute (so long as they are
for
females and ethnics) is another absurd disaster of democracy.
It's a strawman.
Ray Fischer. He doesn't work either.
Oh look, another right-wing bigot who doesn't have a clue.
Yeah, what do you for a living? Wholesale baby spare parts?
We (ie liberal
west) don't in any way believe rights and choices are absolute and
untouchable sacred things. My proof of that is we have a huge police
state
specifically to control the rights and choices of people.
We control the way people drive right? It is isn't just up to the
motorist
how to drive. Eg one can't just turn when ever and however one
wants --for
the (apparent) good of everyone.
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit?
Yes, *****.
Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
How stupid are you, *****? What do you think that the Indianapolis
race track is? It's a private road! People drive 200MPH on that
road.
What kind of a stupid ***** example is that? That's competitive racing, so
the standard of care is different.
Dickwad, are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner that is so
reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others on a private road
where competitive racing is NOT taking place?
Even in the Indianapolis 500, are you allowed to try to use your car to kill
someone ON PURPOSE? Because what you SAID WAS that on a private road, "you
can drive as you please".
Well the same should go for idiots who make bad breeding decisions.
Such as Ray Fischer's parents.
Another goose-stepping nazi shows the world how murderously stupid he is.
That's quite a remark coming from an abortionist.
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28 Dec 2007 01:06:07 AM |
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit?
Yes, *****.
Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
How stupid are you, *****? What do you think that the Indianapolis
race track is? It's a private road! People drive 200MPH on that
road.
What kind of a stupid ***** example is that?
1) It's a private road
2) People are allowed to completely ignore the traffic laws on that road.
That's competitive racing, so
the standard of care is different.
That's the point, idiot.
Dickwad, are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner that is so
reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others on a private road
where competitive racing is NOT taking place?
Duh, YES!
Driving 200MPH while just 2 feet from the car in front of you is
highly dangerous. But, because it's a private road, it's perfectly
LEGAL.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Dec 2007 01:11:53 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit?
Yes, *****.
Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
How stupid are you, *****? What do you think that the Indianapolis
race track is? It's a private road! People drive 200MPH on that
road.
What kind of a stupid ***** example is that?
1) It's a private road
2) People are allowed to completely ignore the traffic laws on that road.
But they are NOT allowed to disregard human life on that road.
That's competitive racing, so
the standard of care is different.
That's the point, idiot.
Dickwad, are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner that is so
reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others on a private road
where competitive racing is NOT taking place?
Duh, YES!
Duh, NO!
Driving 200MPH while just 2 feet from the car in front of you is
highly dangerous. But, because it's a private road, it's perfectly
LEGAL.
By that brilliant reasoning, it would be perfectly legal to commit spousal
abuse or child abuse in a private home -- and that is a PERFECT analogy FIT
for an abortion-worshipper.
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28 Dec 2007 11:42:13 AM |
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
On public roads. Build your own road and you can drive as you please.
Really, dumbshit?
Yes, *****.
Are you allowed to drive on a private road in a manner
that is so reckless as to endanger the life and/or safety of others?
How stupid are you, *****? What do you think that the Indianapolis
race track is? It's a private road! People drive 200MPH on that
road.
What kind of a stupid ***** example is that?
1) It's a private road
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