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Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"papa jack" |
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19 Jun 2004 06:09:54 PM |
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Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
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Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
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| User: "BOB SD" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil (But never mind about war and molesting children) |
21 Jul 2004 09:58:24 AM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:a7isf05623kcpmc379j1qgiuuh911dgf57@4ax.com:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:27:34 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> in alt.abortion with
message-id <Xns952CDA4DE7F5CSD@68.1.17.6> wrote:
The scandal, which has shocked Austria's predominantly Catholic
public, erupted after the Austrian weekly news magazine Profil
published photographs showing leading clerics of the seminary
fondling and kissing the male student priests.
Why are we not surprised? Looks like business as usual for the catholic
religion. What does surprise me is that they still have so many loyal
follower and believers in spite of the ongoing scandals. Go figure.
They have perfected brainwashing and conditioning.
Obviously.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
19 Jun 2004 11:06:05 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
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[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
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The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
And why should anybody care about the beliefs of morally
questionable bishops?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
20 Jun 2004 09:15:19 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cb32fc$bn5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
___________________________________________________________________________
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
And why should anybody care about the beliefs of morally
questionable bishops?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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The whole church is morally questionable after the pedophile priest
scandal - but notice how the Catholics avoid the issue. How many young
lives did these priests (who were protected and hidden by the church)
permanently harm and/or destroy before it all came to light? And someone
should listen to a Bishop? Should the hen ask the fox for advice?
--
FP....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| User: "hate feminism" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
22 Jun 2004 01:39:45 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
No; Morally defective laws = bad
Whereas Ray Fischer thinks that killing premature children = good.
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The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
And why should anybody care about the beliefs of morally
questionable bishops?
Obviously not you.
And since you've shared that with us, who cares what *you* think,
dummy?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
23 Jun 2004 12:52:07 AM |
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hate feminism <feminism@is.sexist> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
No; Morally defective laws = bad
In other words:
Any law which opposes church dogma or the Pope's decrees is considered
to be "Morally defective". Only a theocracy is accepatble.
Whereas Ray Fischer thinks that killing premature children = good.
Isn't lying supposed to be bad?
No, wait, you don't have any morals, do you?
You have only hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Teresa" |
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24 Jun 2004 04:37:37 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<cbb5q6$htl$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
hate feminism <feminism@is.sexist> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
No; Morally defective laws = bad
In other words:
Any law which opposes church dogma or the Pope's decrees is considered
to be "Morally defective". Only a theocracy is accepatble.
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right. As a representitive the church, they have an
obligation to do this. It's just like you, Ray. You have the right
to try to convince people your ideas are moral and just and it is your
duty as a representitive of the lucrative abortion business (I suspect
you are paid big bucks to spend your life on this forum) to voice
those opinions. You are excersizing your right as a citizen and doing
the job you have chosen. So if it is ok for you to do your job and
excersize your rights, why do you think it is not ok for clergy? Is
it just because it makes your job harder? Or do you believe that
religious people don't have civil rights?
Whereas Ray Fischer thinks that killing premature children = good.
Isn't lying supposed to be bad?
No, wait, you don't have any morals, do you?
You have only hate.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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24 Jun 2004 08:51:20 PM |
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"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0406241337.299a19b0@posting.google.com...
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right.
** What's moral and right in their eyes may not be in someone else's eyes.
Not everyone is catholic. Why didn't they do something about the gay
pedophile priests if they're so moral and right? They hid them and shuffled
them from church to church - was THAT moral and right? All but 2 of my
relatives left the church because of this "hide the pedophile priest"
scandal - maybe you should as well. The clergy is anything but moral and
right.
As a representitive the church, they have an
obligation to do this.
** They had an obligation to protect the children from the priests and look
what happened.
It's just like you, Ray. You have the right
to try to convince people your ideas are moral and just and it is your
duty as a representitive of the lucrative abortion business
** What abortion business? Are they selling stocks now? Are they making
anywhere near what the birthing clinics and hospital maternity wards are
making?
(I suspect
you are paid big bucks to spend your life on this forum) to voice
those opinions. You are excersizing your right as a citizen and doing
the job you have chosen.
** Is the Maternity Ward Industry paying YOU to be here to coerce women to
give birth to unwanted fetuses? Or are the Adoption Agencies paying you to
encourage women to have unwanted kids to give up? How much does the Agency
get per child they place?
So if it is ok for you to do your job and
excersize your rights, why do you think it is not ok for clergy?
** Separation of church and state. If they can't look after the morals of
their own priests they sure can't be trusted with anyone else's morals and
beliefs....
Is
it just because it makes your job harder? Or do you believe that
religious people don't have civil rights?
** We all have rights - we just don't get to cram our religious beliefs down
someone else's throat.
--
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Osprey" |
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24 Jun 2004 09:01:07 PM |
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"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:o7OdnRyBHP6DGEbdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0406241337.299a19b0@posting.google.com...
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right.
** What's moral and right in their eyes may not be in someone else's eyes.
Not everyone is catholic. Why didn't they do something about the gay
pedophile priests if they're so moral and right? They hid them and
shuffled
them from church to church - was THAT moral and right? All but 2 of my
relatives left the church because of this "hide the pedophile priest"
scandal - maybe you should as well.
Because maybe she goes to church to worship God, not the priest.
Why are you trying to pull people out of the church?
It isn't any of your business.
Did you try and convert your relatives too?
The clergy is anything but moral and
right.
You have no room to talk.
As a representitive the church, they have an
obligation to do this.
** They had an obligation to protect the children from the priests and
look
what happened.
It's just like you, Ray. You have the right
to try to convince people your ideas are moral and just and it is your
duty as a representitive of the lucrative abortion business
** What abortion business? Are they selling stocks now? Are they making
anywhere near what the birthing clinics and hospital maternity wards are
making?
Naturally Flowerpower plays dumb. However; it is suspected that she isn't
really playing...that she is just that dumb.
(I suspect
you are paid big bucks to spend your life on this forum) to voice
those opinions. You are excersizing your right as a citizen and doing
the job you have chosen.
** Is the Maternity Ward Industry paying YOU to be here to coerce women to
give birth to unwanted fetuses? Or are the Adoption Agencies paying you
to
encourage women to have unwanted kids to give up? How much does the
Agency
get per child they place?
So if it is ok for you to do your job and
excersize your rights, why do you think it is not ok for clergy?
** Separation of church and state.
This is where atheist screw it up all the time.
You don't understand what that means. It means that the Government will not
favor one religion over another.
It doesn't mean that the state must be seperated from God.
If they can't look after the morals of
their own priests they sure can't be trusted with anyone else's morals and
beliefs....
Is
it just because it makes your job harder? Or do you believe that
religious people don't have civil rights?
** We all have rights - we just don't get to cram our religious beliefs
down
someone else's throat.
You just try to cram your atheist beliefs down everyone elses throat.
Go back to your hole...troll
--
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
Good example of Flowerpower trying to shove her atheist crap down our
throats right above this line.
She constantly bashes religion and doesn't even understand the bible
herself.
And when shown what the bible means on her misrepresentations of the verses,
she cuts, runs, and makes excuses.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 11:23:04 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:b_2dnc7-L7pWG0bdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:o7OdnRyBHP6DGEbdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net...
"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0406241337.299a19b0@posting.google.com...
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right.
** What's moral and right in their eyes may not be in someone else's
eyes.
Not everyone is catholic. Why didn't they do something about the gay
pedophile priests if they're so moral and right? They hid them and
shuffled
them from church to church - was THAT moral and right? All but 2 of my
relatives left the church because of this "hide the pedophile priest"
scandal - maybe you should as well.
Because maybe she goes to church to worship God, not the priest.
$$ And the kids who went to worship God were sexually attacked and abused.
Why? Because the church HID their freaks and perverts.
Why are you trying to pull people out of the church?
$$ No need to PULL them. People have minds of their own are leaving on
their own. If you don't like it, pass laws to make it illegal to leave a
church that protects perverts.
It isn't any of your business.
Did you try and convert your relatives too?
$$ Did you convert yours?
The clergy is anything but moral and
right.
You have no room to talk.
$$ Yes, I have room to talk. I'm not a pedophile sexually abusing children
and hiding in a church in a black robe. Deal with it.
** What abortion business? Are they selling stocks now? Are they
making
anywhere near what the birthing clinics and hospital maternity wards are
making?
Naturally Flowerpower plays dumb. However; it is suspected that she isn't
really playing...that she is just that dumb.
$$ Naturally Heishman plays dumb. However; it is suspected that he isn't
really playing...that he is just that dumb since he can't provide the
address and phone number of the abortion "business" making all that money
(helping save desperate women and girls).
** Separation of church and state.
This is where atheist screw it up all the time.
$$ Too bad. I'm agnostic and not an atheist. And I believe in separation
of church and state.
You don't understand what that means. It means that the Government will
not
favor one religion over another.
$$ Which means they shouldn't listen to any churches advice as that is
FAVORITISM.
It doesn't mean that the state must be seperated from God.
$$ No one said that. Being separate from a church isn't being separate
from any god.
** We all have rights - we just don't get to cram our religious beliefs
down
someone else's throat.
You just try to cram your atheist beliefs down everyone elses throat.
$$ I do? Where?
Go back to your hole...troll
$$ Go back to your hole...
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
Good example of Flowerpower trying to shove her atheist crap down our
throats right above this line.
$$ Don't read it.
She constantly bashes religion and doesn't even understand the bible
herself.
And when shown what the bible means on her misrepresentations of the
verses,
she cuts, runs, and makes excuses.
$$ Show me what the bible means? ROFLMAO!!!! Every online fundy will
give a DIFFERENT interpretation of the SAME scriptures! LOL!!! :-D Uh,
no thanks. My interpretation is no better of worse than theirs.
--
FP....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 05:20:17 PM |
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"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0406241337.299a19b0@posting.google.com...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<cbb5q6$htl$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
In other words:
Any law which opposes church dogma or the Pope's decrees is
considered
to be "Morally defective". Only a theocracy is accepatble.
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right.
No, they aren't. At least not when that involves endorsing one candidate
and condemning another - at least not if they want to be considered "clergy"
under the tax laws (which the Repugs haven't been able to change just yet).
As a representitive the church, they have an
obligation to do this.
They have an obligation to be consistent, too. In other words, if they
believe in the "seamless garment of life" and in social and economic justice
and all those other wimpy Jesus things, they would be condemning practically
all politicians and most policies of our government today.
It's just like you, Ray. You have the right
to try to convince people your ideas are moral and just and it is your
duty as a representitive of the lucrative abortion business (I suspect
you are paid big bucks to spend your life on this forum)
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! <wiping eyes> Oh, that was funny. Thanks. I
needed that.
You are excersizing your right as a citizen and doing
the job you have chosen.
If Ray *did* get paid for writing here, or for working for the so-called
abortion industry, he wouldn't be able to shield his income and property
from any taxes and get handouts from the government to boot.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 11:18:53 PM |
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Teresa <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<cbb5q6$htl$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
No; Morally defective laws = bad
In other words:
Any law which opposes church dogma or the Pope's decrees is considered
to be "Morally defective". Only a theocracy is acceptable.
The fact is, we live in a country where even clergy are allowed to
voice their opinions and use their influence toward what they know is
moral and right.
There is a vast difference between voicing an opinion and using the
state to force obedience. There is also a vast difference between
what is "moral and right" and what is actually just church dogma.
As a representitive the church, they have an
obligation to do this.
But as Christians they have an obligation to NOT do this.
Of course the Catholic Church has a long, long tradition of promoting
the Catholic Church over Christianity or anything else.
It's just like you, Ray. You have the right
to try to convince people your ideas are moral and just and it is your
duty as a representitive of the lucrative abortion business (I suspect
you are paid big bucks to spend your life on this forum) to voice
those opinions.
About 500 years ago a fellow by the name of Tomas de Torquemada
tortured and burned alive people in order to promote what he believed
to be "moral and right".
Is that kind of thing fine with you because he was voicing an opinion?
You are excersizing your right as a citizen and doing
the job you have chosen. So if it is ok for you to do your job and
excersize your rights, why do you think it is not ok for clergy?
Because the clergy are actively trying to deny me my rights.
Is
it just because it makes your job harder? Or do you believe that
religious people don't have civil rights?
It's because they don't believe anybody else has civil rights.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
22 Jun 2004 12:13:40 PM |
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hate feminism <feminism@is.sexist> wrote in message news:<40D7D431.54E6ECC8@is.sexist>...
Ray Fischer wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
No; Morally defective laws = bad
Whereas Ray Fischer thinks that killing premature children = good.
If *ANYTHING* "bad" occurs in the estimation of the Catholic Bishops,
in this case the passing of what they would consider to be "morally defective"
laws, then they only have one that they can possibly blame.
Thier suppossedly perfectly omnipotent God.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
23 Jun 2004 06:03:55 PM |
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jonnyasscroft@netscape.net (Krusty) wrote
in message news:<e4f67237.0406220913.20b8506c@posting.google.com>...
hate feminism <feminism@is.sexist> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Theocracy = good.
Liberty = bad.
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hate feminism wrote:
No; Morally defective laws = bad
Whereas Ray Fischer thinks that killing premature children = good.
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Krusty wrote
If *ANYTHING* "bad" occurs in the estimation of the
Catholic Bishops, in this case the passing of what
they would consider to be "morally defective" laws,
then they only have one that they can possibly blame.
Thier [sic] suppossedly perfectly omnipotent God.
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Papa Jack smiled:
Krusty, you obviously don't understand the concept of
"free will." Nor, do you understand the role the
scriptures describe for the Devil. God is not the
cause of evil in this world, man and Satan are the
causes.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
23 Jun 2004 10:52:56 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Krusty, you obviously don't understand the concept of
"free will."
That coming from a Jackass who wants to force people to obey him.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "papa jack" |
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24 Jun 2004 09:56:43 AM |
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
in message news:<cbdj6n$11r$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
jonnyasscroft@netscape.net (Krusty) wrote
[...]
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Krusty wrote
If *ANYTHING* "bad" occurs in the estimation of the
Catholic Bishops, in this case the passing of what
they would consider to be "morally defective" laws,
then they only have one that they can possibly blame.
Thier [sic] suppossedly perfectly omnipotent God.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Krusty, you obviously don't understand the concept of
"free will."...
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Ray Fischer wrote:
That coming from a Jackass who wants to force people to obey him.
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Papa Jack wrote:
How many times do you believe YOU must tell a lie before
folks start to believe it, Ray?
You've been riding this lie quite a while now. For example:
***************************************************************************
Re: Citizens Overide Governor's Veto
Date: 2004-05-29 19:35:09 PST
"...you think that your ignorance and hatred are
justification enough to FORCE women to suffer."
***************************************************************************
Subject: Re: Harlingen PP Loses Funding
Date: 2004-05-23 18:30:18 PST
"And what do you call it when you FORCE women to
suffer and die in agony, Papa Mengele?"
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Subject: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment
Date: 2004-05-17 22:45:07 PST
"People like you, who would FORCE women to die
slowly and in agony?"
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Subject: Re: Women Hurt by Abortions Speak (Pro-Lie insanity)
Date: 2004-04-22 08:45:11 PST
"Notice the bizarre double-think that tries to pass
off FORCED servitude as liberating. The misogynist
mindset that treats women like children who need to
be told what to do."
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Subject: Re: NOW's Wrong
Date: 2004-03-22 20:35:11 PST
"But right-wing fanatics don't recognize any such
right. They think that forced surgery is just fine.
After all, women are just subhumans anyway."
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Subject: Re: J. J. Thomson's "A Defence Of Abortion"
Date: 2004-02-26 09:10:16 PST
"Jackass is one of the most immoral, unethical,
dishonest people posting here. He is just one
of two people who has actually tried to
defend the murder of innocent children."
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Subject: Re: Utah Unborn Victims Law Upheld
Date: 2004-02-02 20:55:03 PST
"How convenient for you, then. You might actually
have a slim chance of making a pregnant women your
property so that you can FORCE her to produce a
baby for you."
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Ray, I sometimes wonder if you are a fanatic who simply
can't think very clearly or if you are an intelligent
guy who simply enjoys using propaganda tactics to
manipulate people.
Or, perhaps you're just an Artifical Intelligence(AI)
program monitered by a high school kid.
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Papa Jack wrote:
... Nor, do you understand the role the
scriptures describe for the Devil. God is not the
cause of evil in this world, man and Satan are the
causes.
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24 Jun 2004 11:07:20 AM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Krusty, you obviously don't understand the concept of
"free will."...
That coming from a Jackass who wants to force people to obey him.
How many times do you believe YOU must tell a lie before
folks start to believe it, Ray?
It's not a lie. You want women forced to do what you want. Forced to
give birth when pregnant. Forced to get abortions when their parents
demand it. You argue in favor of forced servitude all the time,
Jackass.
And like most destructive control freaks, you pretend to be other than
you are in order to sucker people.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "papa jack" |
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24 Jun 2004 06:51:20 PM |
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
in message news:<cbeu7o$8dn$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
jonnyasscroft@netscape.net (Krusty) wrote:
[...]
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Krusty wrote
If *ANYTHING* "bad" occurs in the estimation of the
Catholic Bishops, in this case the passing of what
they would consider to be "morally defective" laws,
then they only have one that they can possibly blame.
Thier [sic] suppossedly perfectly omnipotent God.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Krusty, you obviously don't understand the concept of
"free will."...
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Ray Fischer wrote:
That coming from a Jackass who wants to force people
to obey him.
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Papa Jack wrote:
How many times do you believe YOU must tell a lie before
folks start to believe it, Ray?
You've been riding this lie quite a while now. For example:
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Re: Citizens Overide Governor's Veto
Date: 2004-05-29 19:35:09 PST
"...you think that your ignorance and hatred are
justification enough to FORCE women to suffer."
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Subject: Re: Harlingen PP Loses Funding
Date: 2004-05-23 18:30:18 PST
"And what do you call it when you FORCE women to
suffer and die in agony, Papa Mengele?"
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Subject: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment
Date: 2004-05-17 22:45:07 PST
"People like you, who would FORCE women to die
slowly and in agony?"
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Subject: Re: Women Hurt by Abortions Speak (Pro-Lie insanity)
Date: 2004-04-22 08:45:11 PST
"Notice the bizarre double-think that tries to pass
off FORCED servitude as liberating. The misogynist
mindset that treats women like children who need to
be told what to do."
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Subject: Re: NOW's Wrong
Date: 2004-03-22 20:35:11 PST
"But right-wing fanatics don't recognize any such
right. They think that forced surgery is just fine.
After all, women are just subhumans anyway."
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Subject: Re: J. J. Thomson's "A Defence Of Abortion"
Date: 2004-02-26 09:10:16 PST
"Jackass is one of the most immoral, unethical,
dishonest people posting here. He is just one
of two people who has actually tried to
defend the murder of innocent children."
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Subject: Re: Utah Unborn Victims Law Upheld
Date: 2004-02-02 20:55:03 PST
"How convenient for you, then. You might actually
have a slim chance of making a pregnant women your
property so that you can FORCE her to produce a
baby for you."
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Ray, I sometimes wonder if you are a fanatic who simply
can't think very clearly or if you are an intelligent
guy who simply enjoys using propaganda tactics to
manipulate people.
Or, perhaps you're just an Artifical Intelligence(AI)
program monitered by a high school kid.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
It's not a lie....
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Papa Jack stated:
Yes, you constantly tell this lie -- and, many others, Ray.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
...You want women forced to do what you want....
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Papa Jack responded:
Nope, all I want is to STOP pregnant women from paying
abortionists to kill their unborn children for convenience.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
...Forced to give birth when pregnant....
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Papa Jack remarked:
Nope, "Mother Nature" forces women to give birth when
pregnant -- that's the way things work in this world,
Ray.
Women should have all sorts of choices BEFORE they get
pregnant -- who to date, who to have sex with, whether
or not to use contraceptives, what sort of contraceptives
to use, and whether to take a "morning after" pill.
However, once the unborn child is alive in her uterus,
it is homicide to kill the child.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
...Forced to get abortions when their parents demand
it....
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Papa Jack wrote:
Hmmm. Only when they are little underage girls who
desperately need adult help.
Would you give parents the authority to force a
underage girl to have an appendectomy if the doctor
said it had burst?
Remember, the pregnancy of an underage girl is
"prima facie" evidence of statutory rape.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
You argue in favor of forced servitude all the time,
Jackass.
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Papa Jack laughed:
Ray, your idea of "forced servitude" is simply a world
in which there are ANY limits on freedom of action.
I suppose you would argue bank robbers should have the
freedom to fire their weapons whenever and whereever
they want to.
You want us to believe any laws which prevent women
from paying abortionists to kill their unborn children
is equal to "forced servitude." That is silly, Ray.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
And like most destructive control freaks, you pretend to be
other than you are in order to sucker people.
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Papa Jack laughed:
Yep, that's me. I'm a slick one.
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Papa Jack wrote:
... Nor, do you understand the role the
scriptures describe for the Devil. God is not the
cause of evil in this world, man and Satan are the
causes.
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25 Jun 2004 01:01:40 PM |
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On 24 Jun 2004 16:51:20 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
in message news:<cbeu7o$8dn$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
[snip...
Ray Fischer wrote:
...You want women forced to do what you want....
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Papa Jack responded:
Nope, all I want is to STOP pregnant women from paying
abortionists to kill their unborn children for convenience.
And if I wanted the grocery store to stop selling things to you, I
wouldn't be trying to force YOU to go hungry?
Of course, all of your 'arguments' seem to depend on your belief that
a fertilized ovum has all the attributes and rights of a born person.
You just boldly assert that, and procede on your merry way.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
...Forced to give birth when pregnant....
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Papa Jack remarked:
Nope, "Mother Nature" forces women to give birth when
pregnant -- that's the way things work in this world,
Ray.
She does? Hmm. You mean there are no spontaneous abortions?
Women should have all sorts of choices BEFORE they get
pregnant -- who to date, who to have sex with, whether
or not to use contraceptives, what sort of contraceptives
to use, and whether to take a "morning after" pill.
However, once the unborn child is alive in her uterus,
it is homicide to kill the child.
This of course, is one example of you arguing from your belief that an
embryo is a person.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
...Forced to get abortions when their parents demand
it....
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Papa Jack wrote:
Hmmm. Only when they are little underage girls who
desperately need adult help.
Would you give parents the authority to force a
underage girl to have an appendectomy if the doctor
said it had burst?
Remember, the pregnancy of an underage girl is
"prima facie" evidence of statutory rape.
I believe this is false. In most states, it depends on the age of
both parties.
[snip...
-
Larry
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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26 Jun 2004 11:26:26 PM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:gdpod0hpa3i4opfn1ficg7f4ht5u8plu2l@4ax.com...
On 24 Jun 2004 16:51:20 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Remember, the pregnancy of an underage girl is
"prima facie" evidence of statutory rape.
I believe this is false. In most states, it depends on the age of
both parties.
Yes it does. Plus, notice that such an interpretation of the law would also
prevent underage girls from obtaining contraceptives. Of course, that's
part of the agenda too.
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| User: "Marie Antoinette" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 09:20:43 PM |
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Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote in message news:<gdpod0hpa3i4opfn1ficg7f4ht5u8plu2l@4ax.com>...
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it is homicide to kill the child.
This of course, is one example of you arguing from your belief that an
embryo is a person.
Well, Lawrence, if an embryo is not a person, it must of necessity
follow that an acorn is not an oak tree, right? It must also follow
that a drop of water is not an estuary, right? Then tell us, oh wise
one, why we shouldn't be allowed to destroy every acorn we see, or
even most acorns we see, or even a whole lot of acorns? Or, seeing as
how a drop of water is not an estuary, why we shouldn't be allowed to
pump polluted drops of water, and a whole lot of them, right into
these estuaries?
Get back to me on this.
I remain, Marie Antoinette
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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26 Jun 2004 02:25:17 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2004 19:20:43 -0700,
apres_moi_le_deluge@linkedto.nulluser.com (Marie Antoinette) wrote:
Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote in message news:<gdpod0hpa3i4opfn1ficg7f4ht5u8plu2l@4ax.com>...
,
it is homicide to kill the child.
This of course, is one example of you arguing from your belief that an
embryo is a person.
Well, Lawrence, if an embryo is not a person, it must of necessity
follow that an acorn is not an oak tree, right? It must also follow
that a drop of water is not an estuary, right? Then tell us, oh wise
one, why we shouldn't be allowed to destroy every acorn we see, or
even most acorns we see, or even a whole lot of acorns? Or, seeing as
how a drop of water is not an estuary, why we shouldn't be allowed to
pump polluted drops of water, and a whole lot of them, right into
these estuaries?
And why does it 'of necessity follow'. It is a matter of definition.
It does so happen that an acorn is not, by definition, an oak tree,
When things are a matter of definiton, you can't argue by analogy.
By the way, the proper analogy to discuss would be if someone were
proposing that ALL pregnancies be terminated. Big difference.
Get back to me on this.
I remain, Marie Antoinette
-
Larry
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25 Jun 2004 08:18:43 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
...You want women forced to do what you want....
Nope, all I want is to STOP pregnant women from paying
abortionists to kill their unborn children for convenience.
Jackass is a bald-faced LIAR!
He doesn't want to just stop women from killing fetuses. He wants
women actively FORCED to prove the use of their bodies in order to
keep fetuses alive.
Ask him if he has any objection to allowing women to remove
embryos/fetuses from within their bodies without actively killing
them.
The answer will be "yes".
...Forced to give birth when pregnant....
Nope, "Mother Nature" forces women to give birth when
Just as "Mother Nature" forces people to die when they've been shot in
the head.
You're sleazy hypocrite, Jackass.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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