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Science > Abortion |
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"papa jack" |
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19 Jun 2004 06:09:54 PM |
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Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
19 Jun 2004 08:15:34 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0406191509.73618682@posting.google.com...
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
## Statistics I saw show as many catholic women have abortions as other
religions. BTW, whose morally defective laws? Not everyone is catholic and
what happened to separation of church and state?
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote.
## It's also wrong to force women and teens to have unwanted children. It's
wrong to keep dumping more and more unwanted children in State Custody.
It's wrong not to help support unwanted children that the you coerced women
to bear.
I notice you never address the plight of these unwanted children.
In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin
## Serious sin? What is "serious sin?" What about all the pedophile
priests living in serious sin that the church HID and covered for for years?
It's ok for priests to "sin" but not for others to sin?
<snip same old religious crap>
--
FP....
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~><> ><>
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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| User: "Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 01:24:38 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0406191509.73618682@posting.google.com>...
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
TTT
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 01:29:46 PM |
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On 24 Jun 2004 11:24:38 -0700,
(Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0406191509.73618682@posting.google.com>...
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
TTT
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 06:23:19 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<v97md015kbone01nfg2i9ipk2ndmni1crj@4ax.com>...
tessie@linkedto.myprivatehideout.com (Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
===========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
===========================================================================
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 08:56:46 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0406241523.a5380f2@posting.google.com...
Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
==========================
He is on-subject. The subject was what is moral and right. He was pointing
out the hypocrisy of the RC church and how they're the last ones who should
be talking about societies morals,... and what is right for others. They
can't even keep their own house clean - we don't need them cleaning our
house.
--
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
24 Jun 2004 11:20:43 PM |
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On 24 Jun 2004 16:23:19 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<v97md015kbone01nfg2i9ipk2ndmni1crj@4ax.com>...
tessie@linkedto.myprivatehideout.com (Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
(papa jack) wrote:
===========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
===========================================================================
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
Oh, dear. PJ, why do you have such trouble accepting that the Catholic
Church is no longer a credible moral voice *because* of their
unwillingness to do anything but conceal criminal priests rather than
condemn them? The previous post was aimed at the supposed moral
superiority of the Catholic Church, which I have sufficiently debunked
because of that very issue.
I know you just *hate* to acknowledge the moral failings of that
church you love, but those of us who face reality are not afraid to do
so. In fact, those of us who face reality must do so.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 04:54:34 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<2r9nd09apmoiggddifc1v5oq6sj24r54n1@4ax.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
tessie@linkedto.myprivatehideout.com (Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
===========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
===========================================================================
Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker wrote:
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Oh, dear. PJ,...
===========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Gee, Adam, I didn't know you cared. 8^)
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...why do you have such trouble accepting that the Catholic
Church is no longer a credible moral voice *because* of their
unwillingness to do anything but conceal criminal priests
rather than condemn them? The previous post was aimed at the
supposed moral superiority of the Catholic Church, which I
have sufficiently debunked because of that very issue.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
You really are an egotist, huh?
If you want to go back in history, there are many, many
faults of the Catholic Church to take away from their
"credible moral voice." Yet, here 2000 years after their
beginnings, they still represent the religion of many
tens of millions of people.
The point at issue is NOT whether or not the Catholic
Church is always right -- rather, it is the fact that
millions of voters are Catholics who believe in their
church.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
I know you just *hate* to acknowledge the moral failings
of that church you love,...
===========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
I do NOT love the Catholic Church. I am NOT a Catholic.
I think the Catholic Church is wrong in many ways (e.g.,
banning contractptives).
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...but those of us who face reality are not afraid to
do so. In fact, those of us who face reality must do so.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
Okay, so face the reality that millions of Catholics do
believe in their church and the teachings of their bishops.
That is the point we're addressing.
Now face the reality that those bishops are saying clearly
that abortion is an evil practice and Catholic politicians
who support abortion rights are supporting evil. How will
this impact on the upcoming elections?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 05:16:17 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2004 14:54:34 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<2r9nd09apmoiggddifc1v5oq6sj24r54n1@4ax.com>...
(papa jack) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
tessie@linkedto.myprivatehideout.com (Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
(papa jack) wrote:
===========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
===========================================================================
Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker wrote:
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Oh, dear. PJ,...
===========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Gee, Adam, I didn't know you cared. 8^)
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...why do you have such trouble accepting that the Catholic
Church is no longer a credible moral voice *because* of their
unwillingness to do anything but conceal criminal priests
rather than condemn them? The previous post was aimed at the
supposed moral superiority of the Catholic Church, which I
have sufficiently debunked because of that very issue.
===========================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
You really are an egotist, huh?
If you want to go back in history, there are many, many
faults of the Catholic Church to take away from their
"credible moral voice." Yet, here 2000 years after their
beginnings, they still represent the religion of many
tens of millions of people.
Which is NOT the same as being a credible moral voice, PJ.
The point at issue is NOT whether or not the Catholic
Church is always right -- rather, it is the fact that
millions of voters are Catholics who believe in their
church.
Actually, that *is* part of the issue and will continue to be so as
long as you and those like you continue to hold up the Catholic church
as some kind of moral leader.
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
I know you just *hate* to acknowledge the moral failings
of that church you love,...
===========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
I do NOT love the Catholic Church. I am NOT a Catholic.
I think the Catholic Church is wrong in many ways (e.g.,
banning contractptives).
===========================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...but those of us who face reality are not afraid to
do so. In fact, those of us who face reality must do so.
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Papa Jack laughed:
Okay, so face the reality that millions of Catholics do
believe in their church and the teachings of their bishops.
That is the point we're addressing.
No, it's not. That's what you want to focus on because you have
*never* been able to explain why that church should enjoy a good moral
standing when it's shown it's all too willing to abandon its most
vulnerable members.
Now face the reality that those bishops are saying clearly
that abortion is an evil practice and Catholic politicians
who support abortion rights are supporting evil. How will
this impact on the upcoming elections?
Who knows? But the bishops have no right to demand that people respect
their moral judgements until they clean their own house. If people are
still willing to follow a corrupt morality such as that, then that
should be *only* their problem - they should not be allowed to impose
their morality on others.
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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25 Jun 2004 05:21:56 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:16:17 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com>
wrote:
On 25 Jun 2004 14:54:34 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<2r9nd09apmoiggddifc1v5oq6sj24r54n1@4ax.com>...
(papa jack) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
tessie@linkedto.myprivatehideout.com (Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker) wrote:
(papa jack) wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
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Tessie T. Twhistlethwacker wrote:
Respectfully, Papa, your coments should read, "...or the many
Democrat "cafeteria Catholic" politicians who support abortion."
Besides which, Papa, many Catholics support a lot of things, most of
them being quite irrelevant to this same crowd. What, they're all of a
sudden sitting on the right hand of God when they support abortion and
otherwise evil monsters when they don't? Or, wonderful Catholics when
they oppose war and vicious warmongers when they vote for Bush?
Maybe we should just have the Vatican consult with the DNC, the Gay
Lobby and Planned Parenthood on these pressing social and moral
matters. You know, get 'em squared away, as it were.
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Adam H. wrote:
Yes, why not? The Catholic Church certainly needs a few pointers on
how to deal with, say, priests that molest - instead of *actively*
seeking to protect them, you know. Your insistence that the church has
some kind of moral superiority is asinine considering how they protect
those who desperately hurt their most vulnerable members.
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Papa Jack commented:
Adam, you seldom seem to be on the same page with the
rest of us. Here we are discussing the Catholic
Church's position on abortion and politicians, but
you run off and start writing about priests who molest
children.
Why do you have so much trouble staying on subject, Adam?
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Adam H. wrote:
Oh, dear. PJ,...
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Papa Jack replied:
Gee, Adam, I didn't know you cared. 8^)
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Adam H. wrote:
...why do you have such trouble accepting that the Catholic
Church is no longer a credible moral voice *because* of their
unwillingness to do anything but conceal criminal priests
rather than condemn them? The previous post was aimed at the
supposed moral superiority of the Catholic Church, which I
have sufficiently debunked because of that very issue.
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Papa Jack smiled:
You really are an egotist, huh?
If you want to go back in history, there are many, many
faults of the Catholic Church to take away from their
"credible moral voice." Yet, here 2000 years after their
beginnings, they still represent the religion of many
tens of millions of people.
Which is NOT the same as being a credible moral voice, PJ.
The point at issue is NOT whether or not the Catholic
Church is always right -- rather, it is the fact that
millions of voters are Catholics who believe in their
church.
Actually, that *is* part of the issue and will continue to be so as
long as you and those like you continue to hold up the Catholic church
as some kind of moral leader.
As a quick follow-up: this is not a case of the church simply being
wrong. This is a case of the church actively working to aid and abet
child molesters in evading justice. That's not an accident, PJ. That's
a crime - for which they refuse to be responsible.
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Adam H. wrote:
I know you just *hate* to acknowledge the moral failings
of that church you love,...
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Papa Jack replied:
I do NOT love the Catholic Church. I am NOT a Catholic.
I think the Catholic Church is wrong in many ways (e.g.,
banning contractptives).
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Adam H. wrote:
...but those of us who face reality are not afraid to
do so. In fact, those of us who face reality must do so.
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Papa Jack laughed:
Okay, so face the reality that millions of Catholics do
believe in their church and the teachings of their bishops.
That is the point we're addressing.
No, it's not. That's what you want to focus on because you have
*never* been able to explain why that church should enjoy a good moral
standing when it's shown it's all too willing to abandon its most
vulnerable members.
Now face the reality that those bishops are saying clearly
that abortion is an evil practice and Catholic politicians
who support abortion rights are supporting evil. How will
this impact on the upcoming elections?
Who knows? But the bishops have no right to demand that people respect
their moral judgements until they clean their own house. If people are
still willing to follow a corrupt morality such as that, then that
should be *only* their problem - they should not be allowed to impose
their morality on others.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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25 Jun 2004 10:53:46 PM |
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papa jack wrote:
Now face the reality that those bishops are saying clearly
that abortion is an evil practice and Catholic politicians
who support abortion rights are supporting evil. How will
this impact on the upcoming elections?
Minimally, if at all.
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19 Jun 2004 08:43:27 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2004 16:09:54 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
On June 19, 2004, the Denver Post posted an article by Mark P. Couch
titled: "Bishops' Words on Abortion Divide Catholic Politicians."
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2222105,00.html
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"In a statement, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
condemned abortion and ordered Catholic politicians 'to
work toward correcting morally defective laws.
"But the bishops stopped short of banning those politicians
from taking Communion. Instead, they concluded that each
bishop should decide whether to withhold the sacrament.
[...]
"'To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself
wrong,' the bishops wrote. In late May, Denver Roman
Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that Catholics
who are 'living in serious sin or who deny the teachings
of the church' - whether they're public officials or ordi-
nary parishioners - should refrain from taking Communion
on their own accord."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
The bishops DID agree abortion is intrinsically evil --
and political actions to make abortions legal are wrong.
That leaves little "wiggling room" for Kerry and the many
other so-called Catholic politicians who want to have it
both ways.
Their church publically stated abortion is clearly wrong --
and, when they support abortion they are living in serious
sin. But, we see few Democrat politicians changing their
sinful ways, so it brings into question their sincerety
and faith.
It's not for me to judge another on such matters of faith,
but it is certainly logical to observe that either the
Catholic Church is wrong on this matter, or the many
Democrat "Catholic" politicians who support abortion are
wrong. There is no other alternative.
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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20 Jun 2004 11:44:40 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Oh, you don't have to abide by them? Well, neither do any politicians
have to abide by what the Catholic church says, either. Yeh, you say,
but they're threatened with withdrawal of a sacrament. So what? Do you
Pink Nazis now propose to tell the Catholic church how to run its
affairs? And while we're at it, how long do you think anyone is going
to last in any leftist, secular church like the ACLU or Planned
Parenthood running around telling them what a bunch of assholes THEY
are? Or stating that they belong to and support Parenthood in one
breath and advocating precisely the opposite of what Planned
Parenthood does? How about ten seconds? Ophelia Paine
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20 Jun 2004 12:43:14 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Oh, you don't have to abide by them? Well, neither do any politicians
have to abide by what the Catholic church says, either. Yeh, you say,
but they're threatened with withdrawal of a sacrament. So what? Do you
Pink Nazis now propose to tell the Catholic church how to run its
affairs? And while we're at it, how long do you think anyone is going
to last in any leftist, secular church like the ACLU or Planned
Parenthood running around telling them what a bunch of assholes THEY
are? Or stating that they belong to and support Parenthood in one
breath and advocating precisely the opposite of what Planned
Parenthood does? How about ten seconds? Ophelia Paine
Oh, and consider this a courtesy follow-up:
*****, mariopatra.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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20 Jun 2004 12:41:29 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Ooooh, 'my crowd'. Last gasp of someone who can't stand secular
freedoms, I see.
Oh, you don't have to abide by them? Well, neither do any politicians
have to abide by what the Catholic church says, either. Yeh, you say,
but they're threatened with withdrawal of a sacrament.
No, they weren't. The bishops saw fit to *overstep* their authority by
issuing orders out of keeping with their position.
So what? Do you
Pink Nazis now propose to tell the Catholic church how to run its
affairs?
You mean, like demanding, say, that the CC stop hiding child
molesters? That kind of affair?
The Catholic Church has *no* moral high ground here, not while that
sort of thing is still occurring with the church's active and willing
assistance. Neither do they have the standing to issue orders to
politicians in the manner they tried in PJ's post.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/062004dnpropriestoverview.275bc8e59.html
And while we're at it, how long do you think anyone is going
to last in any leftist, secular church like the ACLU or Planned
Parenthood running around telling them what a bunch of assholes THEY
are? Or stating that they belong to and support Parenthood in one
breath and advocating precisely the opposite of what Planned
Parenthood does? How about ten seconds? Ophelia Paine
That was incoherent. Try being clearer.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Marie Antoinette" |
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25 Jun 2004 11:48:39 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<jribd05p4gdcq2i3vebn3d33c239uhiikm@4ax.com>...
On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Ooooh, 'my crowd'. Last gasp of someone who can't stand secular
freedoms, I see.
Oooooh, "religious fundies!" Last gasp of those who can't abide
religious freedom. Yes, Marie can also see.
Marie Antoinette
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 12:02:50 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2004 09:48:39 -0700,
apres_moi_le_deluge@linkedto.nulluser.com (Marie Antoinette) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<jribd05p4gdcq2i3vebn3d33c239uhiikm@4ax.com>...
On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Ooooh, 'my crowd'. Last gasp of someone who can't stand secular
freedoms, I see.
Oooooh, "religious fundies!" Last gasp of those who can't abide
religious freedom. Yes, Marie can also see.
See what? That I didn't write anything about religious fundies?
Just admit you can't address the issue, mariopatra. It's not like
everyone else doesn't already know that. Your inability to address the
rest of the points or even mark your deletion noted, expected,
dismissed - as are you.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
25 Jun 2004 09:00:15 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<qgmod01jg60lm9f9o6sjvetrevcfc54b3e@4ax.com>...
On 25 Jun 2004 09:48:39 -0700,
apres_moi_le_deluge@linkedto.nulluser.com (Marie Antoinette) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<jribd05p4gdcq2i3vebn3d33c239uhiikm@4ax.com>...
On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Ooooh, 'my crowd'. Last gasp of someone who can't stand secular
freedoms, I see.
Oooooh, "religious fundies!" Last gasp of those who can't abide
religious freedom. Yes, Marie can also see.
See what? That I didn't write anything about religious fundies?
Just admit you can't address the issue, mariopatra. It's not like
everyone else doesn't already know that. Your inability to address the
rest of the points or even mark your deletion noted, expected,
dismissed - as are you.
Adam, let the rest of us know when you acquire the ability to form
abstract thoughts and cipher analogies. Most of us, liberals excepted,
kind of got the hang of it at around eight years old. You know, Adam,
sort of like forming the conclusion that since trees are solid, it's
best not to walk into ANY trees. WTF is wrong with you morons? Damn,
but most of you are as stupid as dirt.
I remain, Marie Antionette
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25 Jun 2004 09:44:17 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2004 19:00:15 -0700,
apres_moi_le_deluge@linkedto.nulluser.com (Marie Antoinette) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<qgmod01jg60lm9f9o6sjvetrevcfc54b3e@4ax.com>...
On 25 Jun 2004 09:48:39 -0700,
apres_moi_le_deluge@linkedto.nulluser.com (Marie Antoinette) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<jribd05p4gdcq2i3vebn3d33c239uhiikm@4ax.com>...
On 20 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, (Ophelia
Paine) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<glq9d0tslnvtbsr9md2ehkug21phsbinu3@4ax.com>...
So, they won't forbid communion, but they'll *order* publically
elected officials to do as the *bishops* want. In other words, they're
trying to usurp an authority that is NOT theirs to claim - and you
support that. You'd rather see the bishops ordering the politicians
than see the politicians work for their constituents as they should,
it seems.
Well, suck it up, PJ. Your country isn't a theocracy yet and as much
as you love to spit on the Constitution it has limits to religious
power that are designed around people like you.
Well, Adam, your crowd's theocracy inhabits the offices of the ALCU,
NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW and a few other scattered secular
churches. Further, the sacraments of these new secular churches are
their official talking points, and judging from what I see parroted in
here 24/7, they would appear to be every bit as binding as anything
issued from the Catholic church. The only things missing are the robes
and vestments.
Ooooh, 'my crowd'. Last gasp of someone who can't stand secular
freedoms, I see.
Oooooh, "religious fundies!" Last gasp of those who can't abide
religious freedom. Yes, Marie can also see.
See what? That I didn't write anything about religious fundies?
Just admit you can't address the issue, mariopatra. It's not like
everyone else doesn't already know that. Your inability to address the
rest of the points or even mark your deletion noted, expected,
dismissed - as are you.
Adam, let the rest of us know when you acquire the ability to form
abstract thoughts and cipher analogies. Most of us, liberals excepted,
kind of got the hang of it at around eight years old. You know, Adam,
sort of like forming the conclusion that since trees are solid, it's
best not to walk into ANY trees. WTF is wrong with you morons? Damn,
but most of you are as stupid as dirt.
I remain, Marie Antionette
Ooooh, irony, with that coming from someone who, by their statement,
expects others to solve analogies by means of mathematics.
You should really learn to use your words properly before trying to
lecture others, mariopatra. Now, did you have something to say, or are
you going to stop at your meaningless and content free diatribe?
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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20 Jul 2004 10:20:59 AM |
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On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
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Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
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20 Jul 2004 11:51:10 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0407200720.1558e011@posting.google.com:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
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Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
I think it's great too, PJ. That a group of pedophiles and pedophile
protectors with no moral authority are becoming more and more vocally
anti-choice like you can only further our pro-choice cause.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
20 Jul 2004 01:08:18 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0407200720.1558e011@posting.google.com:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
when you have defended rapists and pedophiles for centuries, as the rcc has,
how powerful is your moral standing when you speak on abortion?
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| User: "BOB SD" |
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20 Jul 2004 02:32:24 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C8FD1FFBB6keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0407200720.1558e011@posting.google.com:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
______________________________________________________________________
__ Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
when you have defended rapists and pedophiles for centuries, as the
rcc has, how powerful is your moral standing when you speak on
abortion?
The catholic church and it's child-molesting minion priests have about as
much moral standing as PJ, a known liar and hypocrite. What a joke.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
20 Jul 2004 04:32:25 PM |
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BOB <SD> wrote in news:Xns952C7F908D885SD@153.80.109.11:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C8FD1FFBB6keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0407200720.1558e011@posting.google.com:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
______________________________________________________________________
__ Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
when you have defended rapists and pedophiles for centuries, as the
rcc has, how powerful is your moral standing when you speak on
abortion?
The catholic church and it's child-molesting minion priests have about as
much moral standing as PJ, a known liar and hypocrite. What a joke.
i think pj is at home with the rcc.
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| User: "BOB SD" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
20 Jul 2004 05:24:24 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns952CB26DD433Fkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
BOB <SD> wrote in news:Xns952C7F908D885SD@153.80.109.11:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C8FD1FFBB6keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0407200720.1558e011@posting.google.com:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
____________________________________________________________________
__ __ Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
"Brunett said those who support abortion have adopted
'a morally untenable position and are choosing a path
that leads them away from the church.' And those
'who suggest that they can disassociate totally their
political actions in principle from their Catholic
faith are laboring under a dangerous moral delusion.'
[...]
"Last month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
said that lawmakers who consistently support abortion
rights or euthanasia were 'cooperating in evil,' but
that individual bishops could decide whether the
politicians should be denied Holy Communion.
[...]
____________________________________________________________________
__ __
Papa Jack commented:
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media. It seems to be building.
when you have defended rapists and pedophiles for centuries, as the
rcc has, how powerful is your moral standing when you speak on
abortion?
The catholic church and it's child-molesting minion priests have
about as much moral standing as PJ, a known liar and hypocrite. What
a joke.
i think pj is at home with the rcc.
Birds of feather....?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil |
20 Jul 2004 05:27:39 PM |
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BOB <SD> wrote in news:Xns952C9CB9A8881SD@153.80.109.11:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns952CB26DD433Fkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
i think pj is at home with the rcc.
Birds of feather....?
exactly.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil (But never mind about war and molesting children) |
20 Jul 2004 10:26:50 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sabortion." Go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/182820_bishop20.html?source=rss
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Seattle Archbishop Alex Brunett joined a growing
chorus of U.S. bishops Monday and warned Catholic
politicians that it's impossible to keep the faith
and support abortion.
Who cares? Archbishops don't have any special access to morality.
Quite the contrary. The job of a bishop is to protect the church,
regardless of either morality or the teaching of Christ.
________________________________________________________________________
This issue continues to attract the attention of the
news media.
No it doesn't.
It seems to be building.
VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel has
demanded an explanation from priests at a seminary who are under
investigation for sexual impropriety and possible possession of
child pornography.
"We have separation of church and state in Austria, so I have no
right to take a position as chancellor," Schuessel said in an
interview on Austrian radio on Saturday. "The authorities are
investigating. But as a believer and as Catholic, I want a quick
and frank explanation."
The scandal, which has shocked Austria's predominantly Catholic
public, erupted after the Austrian weekly news magazine Profil
published photographs showing leading clerics of the seminary
fondling and kissing the male student priests.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops Declare Abortion Evil (But never mind about war and molesting children) |
20 Jul 2004 11:27:34 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:cdknpq$nj8$1
@bolt.sonic.net:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On July 20, 2004, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted an
article by Chris McGann and Claudia Rows titled: "Archbishop
Warns Catholic Politicians on Sab | | | |
