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Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
It's All a Matter of Money
MassNews Staff
The local Boy Scouts in Boston have honored a man with a venereal
disease as their role model for the 18,000 Scouts in their care.
The attention has focused on talk show host David Brudnoy, who was
Master of Ceremonies at an annual fundraiser by Boston's Minuteman
Council on Monday evening.
Although David Brudnoy has the image of a kind and gentle, pipe-smoking
philosopher, he is far from the disinterested critic of the public
scene as he is portrayed.
This was done on purpose, according to the local leader of the Scouts,
Brock Bigsby, who told the Boston Globe he hopes that the choice of
Brudnoy will end any confusion that the Boston group agrees with the
national policy on homosexuals.
A.P. wrote that Brudnoy was invited to make it "crystal clear - that it
[the local Council] opposes the ban on gay troop leaders."
Brudnoy informed the gathering that they told him, 'We want to signal
through you, our nondiscrimination policy."
The Council also introduced a new "diversity awareness award badge,"
which includes homosexuality.
The concern of the local group is about money, according to Bigsby, who
said that fund-raising has been damaged as a result of the national
policy.
Many Parents Wonder
As a consequence, parents are left wondering if David Brudnoy is a man
they want their sons to emulate. Should the boys be exposed to him just
because of "fund-raising?" It seems to many like a high price to pay.
Not all Massachusetts Scout Councils have a problem with the national
policy. To the contrary, the leader of the Framingham Knox Trail
Council has stated that an "avowed homosexual" is not a role model for
the Scouts.
One has to feel sorry for Brudnoy and the lifestyle he has chosen, but
should we make him a model for children to follow?
Brudnoy told Reason magazine he got AIDS as the result of oral
homosexual sex in the 1980s and was diagnosed with AIDS in 1988. He
kept the news to himself until he collapsed in 1994, twenty minutes
from death. He spent two months in the hospital.
This was after the AIDS crisis was known to everyone.
What would drive a man to such behavior? Why is he a hero?
He says he kidded himself for years. Is he still kidding himself? Is he
kidding us now?
Kidded Himself
Brudnoy tells us he deluded himself for years. "I lied to myself," he
now says. He wrote this for The Body, a website about AIDS.
"I mentioned earlier the phenomenon of denial - of kidding oneself -
convincing oneself - of something that isn't true, then permitting
oneself to tell what you believe to be true - but which is, in fact, a
lie, to everybody else. I told everybody I was well because I believed
it. I didn't lie to anybody. I lied to myself. And that is one of the
stupidest things I have ever done. I know people do it all the time. I
would urge anybody who can tell that something is odd in a friend of
theirs or family member -- you've got to get that person straight into
the hands of somebody who can take care of that person. I just said,
'No, I'm fine!' Well, we see what happened? A very un-fine period in
intensive care."
He also wrote, "During the period of denial, my body was telling me,
'I'm sick'. My brain was convincing myself that I was well - just a
little flu!"
Some would say that Brudnoy is still in denial. If this man cannot
control his sexual impulses, do we want him mentoring to our youth?
A little bit of the suffering that this man inflicted upon himself is
reflected in this interview with the Valley Advocate.
"I was diagnosed in 1988, probably infected some time earlier. I was in
pretty good shape for some years and then I got very pained with my
feet, a thing called 'neuropathy' -- very common with people on certain
drugs for AIDS or for HIV.
"I was so crippled up, and then I began to have terrible symptoms of
illness in September and October of 1994, all of which I ignored. Then
I collapsed, I have no memory... I wound up nine days later waking up
in an intensive care unit, having been in a coma for those nine days,
told that I had 20 minutes to live when I was rushed to the hospital.
"And then I found out I was paralyzed in my feet and was told I would
never walk again. And after two months in hospitals, getting every
conceivable, awful thing you could imagine -- shingles and diarrhea
endlessly, and... name it, name it. I gradually... My nerves
regenerated and I learned to walk again on crutches and canes; and now
I don't quite run marathons, but I ride a lot of bicycle, and I put
back on 50 pounds, and I'm on the so-called 'AIDS cocktail,' which are
these drugs that are helping people a great deal."
Almost Fired in 1990
Brudnoy has always been a talk show host. He almost was terminated from
WBZ in 1990. But the activists raised such an outcry that the station
kept him on. When he almost died and announced he was a homosexual with
AIDS in 1994, the liberal establishment canonized him as a saint. He is
untouchable now. He started at WHDH in 1976, moved to WRKO in 1981 and
on to WBZ in 1986.
Brudnoy Seeks to Outlaw Belief in God
Brudnoy also used his time at the Scout podium on Monday to urge a
change in their belief about God. According to the A.P., "Brudnoy said
that Minuteman Council has done the right thing with its
nondiscrimination policy - and should even go a step further - looking
at the national bylaw requiring duty to God. 'Currently an atheist or
agnostic kid cannot be a scout,' he said, adding that he [Brudnoy]
planned to call for change."
Brudnoy has even been advising the Catholic Church. He wrote an article
for the Boston Herald on April 18, in which he solemnly advised the
church that it is not homosexuals who caused their problem.
He says there are those on the left who say celibacy is the problem
instead of seeing this as "the more encompassing matters of sex,
sexuality and marital status in the church." Those on the right "insist
that gay priests are the cause of pedophilia."
But they're both wrong, according to Brudnoy.
He then tells us, "Some homosexuals take advantage of those too young
to make rational decisions, as do some heterosexuals."
But that's not true, David.
A homosexual is ten times more likely to be molesting children. While
it is true that they commit only 30% of the molestation of children, it
must be remembered they are only 3% of the population.
From that he jumps to this. "When mindless commentators latch onto the
simplistic babblings of some local cleric or some sensationalistic
author or some thoughtless spokesman invoking wrath from the Vatican
upon all homosexuals, we are experiencing not rational thought but rank
bigotry and stupidity."
Good try, David.
It the first place, please tell us when you have ever heard anyone from
the Vatican "invoking wrath upon all homosexuals." You know that is not
even close to the truth.
But you use that falsehood as your marker.
And then, even though you cannot control your own sexual impulses, "It
is the failure to restrain sexual desire that undermines the priestly
role."
And that, in turn, he says, raises questions about what should be done
to "reform'' the system. He wants the Catholics to acknowledge the
"desire of many heterosexual priests to marry, of many women to assume
the priestly role and of many homosexuals in the priesthood to have
what is now forbidden them: a realized sexual life."
He then lectures us that, "Most gay clergymen, like their straight
brothers, honor their vows. Homosexuals always have been, are now and
forever will be found in the priesthood. Expelling homosexuals or
pretending that their presence is irrelevant merely avoids crucial
issues, manifests ire and spreads rancor. When it finally casts out the
enablers in the hierarchy and focuses on these matters, the church must
deal with priestly abusive behavior, not with priests' sexual
orientations per se. The drumbeat of accusations, cover-ups and bizarre
exercises in excuse-making, from Boston's archbishop or any other,
guarantees that this crisis will deepen - until stereotypes and jargon
are supplanted by psychological acuity, cogency, candor, compassion and
intellectual honesty."
David Brudnoy is also advising the Boy Scouts. In a column in the
Boston Herald last Saturday, he wrote about the "national
organization's bigotry." The only way to eliminate this bigotry, he
says, is to let men like him become scout leaders.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
23 Aug 2005 01:11:03 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2005 16:05:12 -0700, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
It's All a Matter of Money
MassNews Staff
The local Boy Scouts in Boston have honored a man with a venereal
disease
Brudnoy died at 64, from carcinoma (he had A.I.D.S., too), in
December, 2004.
HIV (which later leads to AIDS) is strictly not a venereal disease;
it's open to anybody, gay or not. Sex with an infected partner is one
way the other partner may contract it.
All HIV requires is an opening and a healthy TCell to latch on to. Sex
with an infected partner is one way the other partner may contract it.
I really wished you'd cease with misinforming the public.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
23 Aug 2005 01:02:27 PM |
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On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their bigotry.
Susan
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
23 Aug 2005 04:36:20 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
Lunatic "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their
bigotry.
David Brudnoy died early last December.
If you think that means the story is 8 months old you're wrong.
The story is more than 3 years old.
It's also interesting to note that David Brudnoy was a conservative,
a libertarian even. Far from being a gay activist, he spent his
entire lengthy career in the closet until finally being outed by AIDS
in 1994. His career stretched back 30 years or more prior to that.
The real story here is not that Boston's local BSA troop obeys
their local laws & their very own stated values, it's that the
lunatic Religious Reich won't even accept one of their own.
David Brudnoy was a conservative, preaching his conservatism
nightly on local radio, living a closeted existence EXACTLY
as the religious Reich says a gay man should live. He didn't
come out by choice. He never once in his life "Flaunted" the
fact that he was gay. He was outed by his AIDS.
That wasn't good enough. 30 years of towing the conservative
line wasn't good enough. He was outed as gay after he got AIDS,
which means they hate his guts. He served them for three decades,
but as far as they're concerned he should have been murdered in
his youth for being gay.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
23 Aug 2005 10:28:41 PM |
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On 23-Aug-2005, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
Lunatic "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their
bigotry.
David Brudnoy died early last December.
If you think that means the story is 8 months old you're wrong.
The story is more than 3 years old.
Ah, well, I try very hard not to pay attention to Rob Wade.
It's also interesting to note that David Brudnoy was a conservative,
a libertarian even. Far from being a gay activist, he spent his
entire lengthy career in the closet until finally being outed by AIDS
in 1994. His career stretched back 30 years or more prior to that.
The real story here is not that Boston's local BSA troop obeys
their local laws & their very own stated values, it's that the
lunatic Religious Reich won't even accept one of their own.
David Brudnoy was a conservative, preaching his conservatism
nightly on local radio, living a closeted existence EXACTLY
as the religious Reich says a gay man should live. He didn't
come out by choice. He never once in his life "Flaunted" the
fact that he was gay. He was outed by his AIDS.
That wasn't good enough. 30 years of towing the conservative
line wasn't good enough. He was outed as gay after he got AIDS,
which means they hate his guts. He served them for three decades,
but as far as they're concerned he should have been murdered in
his youth for being gay.
Of course.
Susan
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease |
28 Aug 2005 10:25:15 AM |
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In article <TwJOe.5156$Vg7.791@trnddc06>, says...
On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their bigotry.
Susan
A bigot is a racist. As far as I know any race can be a Scout. You're
fight is with the Klan not the Scouts. Somone with a sexual disease
bought it upon themselves by not covering there wanker. No bigotry
there. Just stupidity on the part of the person with the disease. I
don't see any point in honoring anyne stupid. Do you?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Aug 2005 12:18:49 PM |
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Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net says...
On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their bigotry.
A bigot is a racist.
Wrong. Learn to use a dictionary.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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28 Aug 2005 10:40:31 AM |
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In news:MPG.1d7ba16edf2b35329898f8@news-server.carolina.rr.com Chris
<me@me.me> wrote:
In article <TwJOe.5156$Vg7.791@trnddc06>, says...
On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their
bigotry.
Susan
A bigot is a racist.
No; a racist is a bigot, but a bigot need not be a racist.
The term bigot is more general, and can be applied to intolerance of not
just other races, but religions, skin color, national origin, or other
incidental characteristics of individuals or groups.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "" |
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28 Aug 2005 03:47:45 PM |
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On 28-Aug-2005, Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <TwJOe.5156$Vg7.791@trnddc06>, says...
On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their
bigotry.
Susan
A bigot is a racist.
You have this backwards.
As far as I know any race can be a Scout.
Oh, & now I see why - you are trying to somehow excuse the Scouts for
being bigoted against homosexuals.
You're
fight is with the Klan not the Scouts.
Your attampt at obfuscation is amazingly pitiful.
Somone with a sexual disease
bought it upon themselves by not covering there wanker. No bigotry
there. Just stupidity on the part of the person with the disease.
More like stupidity on YOUR part.
I know plenty of people who have gotten AIDS thru NO fault of their own.
However, to pretend that someone who has somehow gotten a disease is
then completely useless & everything else he's ever done is then null &
void - well, that's dumbe than your pretense that "bigotry is racism" rather
than the other way around.
I
don't see any point in honoring anyne stupid. Do you?
No, I am sure you will never be honored for anything.
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| User: "Chris" |
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28 Aug 2005 06:31:21 PM |
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In article <RppQe.4435$__1.1891@trnddc07>, says...
On 28-Aug-2005, Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <TwJOe.5156$Vg7.791@trnddc06>, says...
On 22-Aug-2005, "RoB WADe" <rob_c_wade_2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Boston Boy Scouts Honor Man with Sexual Disease
David Brudnoy Is Presented as Role Model for Boys
Good for them - it's about time they started to make up for their
bigotry.
Susan
A bigot is a racist.
You have this backwards.
As far as I know any race can be a Scout.
Oh, & now I see why - you are trying to somehow excuse the Scouts for
being bigoted against homosexuals.
You're
fight is with the Klan not the Scouts.
Your attampt at obfuscation is amazingly pitiful.
Somone with a sexual disease
bought it upon themselves by not covering there wanker. No bigotry
there. Just stupidity on the part of the person with the disease.
More like stupidity on YOUR part.
I know plenty of people who have gotten AIDS thru NO fault of their own.
However, to pretend that someone who has somehow gotten a disease is
then completely useless & everything else he's ever done is then null &
void - well, that's dumbe than your pretense that "bigotry is racism" rather
than the other way around.
I
don't see any point in honoring anyne stupid. Do you?
No, I am sure you will never be honored for anything.
I've been honored for lots of things in my day. More than I could list
in one post actually, but this isn't about me. I went back and read the
article again. He contracted through sex. He should have rubbered up
or kept it in his pants. It was stupid on his part. Plain and simple.
If a party in a hetro couple contracted something with out rubbering up
people would be raising hell saying they were stupid. (and they would
be right) Well gays that don't are too. People need to start taking
responsibility for there own actions! Nothing bigoted about that.
People that are stupid are just stupid. I don't care what there sexual
orientation is.
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