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13 Aug 2006 10:58:31 PM |
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Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/17007.html#
"Only years afterward was the sad truth revealed, the Culture and Family
Institute spokesman explains. 'All along, this little boy was yearning to be
a boy, did not want to wear dresses, rejected his female identity,' he says.
'And this came out later in Rolling Stone magazine, and then in a book
called As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto -- how Money falsified the
findings in order to prove that gender is just a construct in your head.'"
According to Jim Brown and Jenni Parker of AgapePress, psychologist and
sexologist Dr. John Money did not follow proper procedures and did not reach
realistic, but instead contrived, conclusions in his studies. Money, PhD, of
Johns Hopkins University, popularized the "gender identity movement."
"Money is particularly notorious for his role in the case of David Reimer, a
baby boy whose parents were convinced, after a seriously bungled
circumcision, to turn their son into a daughter. At the sexologist's urging,
the parents agreed to have their son surgically rendered anatomically
female.
"Later, the child received estrogen injections and was raised as a girl
under Money's supervision at the Psychohormonal Research Unit at Johns
Hopkins. This so-called 'gender reassignment,' which was a tragedy for the
child, was touted as a triumph by the doctor, Knight points out. 'John
Money,' he notes, 'for 14 years reported in scientific journals that it had
been a complete success, proving that biology has nothing to do with your
sexual identity.'"
Why is it that some mortals determine to change the given when the given is
apparently normal. We live in an imperfect sphere; that is for certain. But
there are times when persons take on academic titles and acclaim which yield
a kind of deity-persona by which they then endeavor to experiment with the
apparently normal. When doing so, years pass while they amass applause
records shooting off the charts only to have their premises and conclusions
later proven faulty. Such is the case with Money.
"Critics like Bob Knight of the Culture and Family Institute claim both
Kinsey and Money relied on faulty research and had a 'no limits' view of
human sexuality. And both, the pro-family spokesman notes, have left an
unfortunate legacy of medical misinformation and misguided psychological
theories, all based on falsehoods with tragic consequences for modern
society."
What begins as an experiment grows into an ego builder for the person
carrying out the experiment. As cheerleaders gather to egg on the
experiment, it develops into a given as approved by logic and society. All
the while those who criticize the experiment and its founder are demeaned as
not on the team.
It's sad when this play out relates to such a one as the boy who was
"transformed" into a girl only to spend his life longing to be the boy he
was in the first place.
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youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "magilla" |
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13 Aug 2006 11:10:29 PM |
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<youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
Blasphemous?
You are one sick, repulsive, pathetic, ***** sack, Mr. Young. You
already showed yourself a coward when you repeatedly ran from my
invitations to discuss evolutionary biology. Now, as if we needed
further proof, you show yourself to be a heartless scumbag- a subhuman
sack of offal who exists by eating whatever it is that pond scum shits
out. You are beneath all contempt and derision.
How dare you support this diatribe against people who, because of an
unfortunate mishap before their own birth, feel confused about their
sexuality? You spew this crap as though it was harmless, when in fact
someone reading it could draw every incorrect conclusion possible. You
are *****, you are worse than *****, you are more despicable than the
meanest piece of ***** on the planet.
Grow up, get a life, and stop trying to be a Usenet terrorist. You are
a failure at everything, and maybe you should think about doing the
world a favor and setting your soul free.
Words are insufficient to describe how contemptible you are.
Chris Thompson
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13 Aug 2006 11:58:45 PM |
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"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became
confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
Blasphemous?
You are one sick, repulsive, pathetic, ***** sack, Mr. Young. You
already showed yourself a coward when you repeatedly ran from my
invitations to discuss evolutionary biology.
You ready to discusss evolutionary biology?
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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14 Aug 2006 09:41:48 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:oZidnSx59rKuaELZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became
confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
you are truly the biggest idiot I've ever encountered. YOU should have
yourself sterilized. Please do mankind a favor.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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14 Aug 2006 12:39:56 AM |
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a =E9crit :
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness.
Oh, but sending every fucking day racist, intolerant and bigoted
postings is a proof of mental sanity... As for what we think of you, I
think Magilla expressed it quite well...
The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures.
This isn't the middle-age anymore. The word "blasphemous" is only used
by talibans now.
Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/17007.html#
"Only years afterward was the sad truth revealed, the Culture and Family
Institute spokesman explains. 'All along, this little boy was yearning to=
be
a boy, did not want to wear dresses, rejected his female identity,' he sa=
ys.
'And this came out later in Rolling Stone magazine, and then in a book
called As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto -- how Money falsified the
findings in order to prove that gender is just a construct in your head.'"
According to Jim Brown and Jenni Parker of AgapePress, psychologist and
sexologist Dr. John Money did not follow proper procedures and did not re=
ach
realistic, but instead contrived, conclusions in his studies. Money, PhD,=
of
Johns Hopkins University, popularized the "gender identity movement."
"Money is particularly notorious for his role in the case of David Reimer=
, a
baby boy whose parents were convinced, after a seriously bungled
circumcision, to turn their son into a daughter. At the sexologist's urgi=
ng,
the parents agreed to have their son surgically rendered anatomically
female.
"Later, the child received estrogen injections and was raised as a girl
under Money's supervision at the Psychohormonal Research Unit at Johns
Hopkins. This so-called 'gender reassignment,' which was a tragedy for the
child, was touted as a triumph by the doctor, Knight points out. 'John
Money,' he notes, 'for 14 years reported in scientific journals that it h=
ad
been a complete success, proving that biology has nothing to do with your
sexual identity.'"
Why is it that some mortals determine to change the given when the given =
is
apparently normal. We live in an imperfect sphere; that is for certain. B=
ut
there are times when persons take on academic titles and acclaim which yi=
eld
a kind of deity-persona by which they then endeavor to experiment with the
apparently normal. When doing so, years pass while they amass applause
records shooting off the charts only to have their premises and conclusio=
ns
later proven faulty. Such is the case with Money.
"Critics like Bob Knight of the Culture and Family Institute claim both
Kinsey and Money relied on faulty research and had a 'no limits' view of
human sexuality. And both, the pro-family spokesman notes, have left an
unfortunate legacy of medical misinformation and misguided psychological
theories, all based on falsehoods with tragic consequences for modern
society."
What begins as an experiment grows into an ego builder for the person
carrying out the experiment. As cheerleaders gather to egg on the
experiment, it develops into a given as approved by logic and society. All
the while those who criticize the experiment and its founder are demeaned=
as
not on the team.
It's sad when this play out relates to such a one as the boy who was
"transformed" into a girl only to spend his life longing to be the boy he
was in the first place.
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J Y=F6ung
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19 Aug 2006 04:12:26 PM |
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wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male"
....has nothing what so ever to do with the issue
raised here.
Well, except that it supports the concept of
"transgendered."
Consiervative doctors claim that the presence or
absence of a penis is what determines gender.
The story introduced here establishes otherwise.
The story introduced by you here PROVES that
the conservatives are wrong, that the body does
not determine "gender."
Secondly, it completely disproves the notion that
homosexual & transgendered people are the
product of upbringing. After all, even raised as a
girl, socialized as a girl, the male "gender" could
not be surpressed.
So, yeah, in that way the story disproved
conservatives and proved normal people in
two ways.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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19 Aug 2006 04:39:33 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male"
....has nothing what so ever to do with the issue
raised here.
Well, except that it supports the concept of
"transgendered."
Consiervative doctors claim that the presence or
absence of a penis is what determines gender.
The story introduced here establishes otherwise.
The story introduced by you here PROVES that
the conservatives are wrong, that the body does
not determine "gender."
Secondly, it completely disproves the notion that
homosexual & transgendered people are the
product of upbringing. After all, even raised as a
girl, socialized as a girl, the male "gender" could
not be surpressed.
So, yeah, in that way the story disproved
conservatives and proved normal people in
two ways.
I suspect this is why Jon seems to have abandoned this thread. ;)
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--sexkitten--
Sneechres and family values
Pine.ULT.3.91.990108173116.6327C-100000@coos
I am
hardly home on weekends because I am usually busy with family or my
fiancee.
I have many friends who love me and my
family adores me, just as I love them.
7g4dem$m4c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com
I have seen people DIE from drugs on the street. MOST of the
members of my FAMILY were messed up and had their lives destroyed and taken
away from them. So don't tell me about the things that I know.
Yes, and like most drug addicts, they'll stab their families in the back to
help out their drug friends. My family members do and did this to each
other.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Aug 2006 05:30:56 AM |
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What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing
more than a perverted form of mental illness.
Huh? What are you babbling about now?
The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these
blasphemous procedures.
Circumcision? Blasphemous?
Or to you men the extremely conservative, old fashioned
doctors that decided that a boy minus a penis is a girl?
Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
The voice of experience, no doubt.
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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14 Aug 2006 02:32:10 AM |
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What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness.
No, Young, you, because of your fear and hatred of women and sex, are
most definitely mentally ill.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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14 Aug 2006 08:41:13 AM |
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wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
I should get used to your abject ignorance, but somehow you always manage to
surprise me.
There are many children born in the United States every year with "ambiguous
genitalia," who physically have characteristics of being both male and female.
The cause seems to be in utero exposure to pesticides, fertilizers and other
such chemicals, as the incidence of ambiguous genitalia is much higher among
farm workers than any other population.
The parents almost always insist on surgery to make their child into clearly a
boy or a girl. Traditionally, that surgery has involved making the baby a girl,
as that is surgically the easiest (read less expensive) choice. It turns out,
though, that genetics plays an extremely important role in gender identity; a
person who is genetically male will almost certainly develop male
characteristics even if, soon after birth, he was surgically altered to a girl
due to ambiguous genitalia.
If you really want to put an end to such surgeries and the emotional problems
they inevitably cause, your energies would be best spent in encouraging organic
agricultural practices and getting highly dangerous fertilizers and pesticides
eliminated. But of course, that would take away from your time making ignorant
rants on the Internet.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
Help defend marriage in Washington state!
http://www.wa-doma.org
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Aug 2006 09:14:42 AM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
There are many children born in the United States every year
with "ambiguous genitalia," who physically have
characteristics of being both male and female. The cause
seems to be in utero exposure to pesticides, fertilizers and
other such chemicals, as the incidence of ambiguous
genitalia is much higher among farm workers than any other
population.
The ones you always hear about are the estrogen mimics. these
are chemicals that attach to the body's receptors, and the body
thinks they are estrogen. It's complicated, but they can be as bad
for girls as they are for boys.
How? Because they are not real estrogen. They're a weak or
watered down "estrogen," and by attaching to a receptor they
are effectively blocking any real estrogen from attaching to it.
The parents almost always insist on surgery to make their
child into clearly a boy or a girl.
As far as I know, the surgery is perfomed for three reasons:
#1. Loss of the penis (accident, botched circumcision or other).
#2. Ambiguous gentialia, as you describe.
#3. Micro-penis.
Numbers one & three are just plain cruel. Guys who've
lost their penis want their penis back. They don't want
a vagina. It's not the same thing at all. And guys who
have small dicks want bigger dicks. A vagina is not a
bigger *****. Period. It doesn't address the issue at all.
Number two is a crap shoot, at best.
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14 Aug 2006 12:08:34 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
There are many children born in the United States every year
with "ambiguous genitalia," who physically have
characteristics of being both male and female. The cause
seems to be in utero exposure to pesticides, fertilizers and
other such chemicals, as the incidence of ambiguous
genitalia is much higher among farm workers than any other
population.
The ones you always hear about are the estrogen mimics. these
are chemicals that attach to the body's receptors, and the body
thinks they are estrogen. It's complicated, but they can be as bad
for girls as they are for boys.
How? Because they are not real estrogen. They're a weak or
watered down "estrogen," and by attaching to a receptor they
are effectively blocking any real estrogen from attaching to it.
The parents almost always insist on surgery to make their
child into clearly a boy or a girl.
As far as I know, the surgery is perfomed for three reasons:
#1. Loss of the penis (accident, botched circumcision or other).
#2. Ambiguous gentialia, as you describe.
#3. Micro-penis.
Numbers one & three are just plain cruel. Guys who've
lost their penis want their penis back. They don't want
a vagina. It's not the same thing at all. And guys who
have small dicks want bigger dicks. A vagina is not a
bigger *****. Period. It doesn't address the issue at all.
Number two is a crap shoot, at best.
Number two is ***** as well. Just ask any intersexed person who's had to
transition later in life because their parents couldn't wait a few years.
--
"In America sex is an obsession, in other parts of the world it is a fact."
Marlene Dietrich (1901 - 1992)
t(^_^t)
http://www.geocities.com/dysperdis/
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14 Aug 2006 10:21:42 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
There are many children born in the United States every year
with "ambiguous genitalia," who physically have
characteristics of being both male and female. The cause
seems to be in utero exposure to pesticides, fertilizers and
other such chemicals, as the incidence of ambiguous
genitalia is much higher among farm workers than any other
population.
The ones you always hear about are the estrogen mimics. these
are chemicals that attach to the body's receptors, and the body
thinks they are estrogen. It's complicated, but they can be as bad
for girls as they are for boys.
How? Because they are not real estrogen. They're a weak or
watered down "estrogen," and by attaching to a receptor they
are effectively blocking any real estrogen from attaching to it.
The parents almost always insist on surgery to make their
child into clearly a boy or a girl.
As far as I know, the surgery is perfomed for three reasons:
#1. Loss of the penis (accident, botched circumcision or other).
#2. Ambiguous gentialia, as you describe.
#3. Micro-penis.
Numbers one & three are just plain cruel. Guys who've
lost their penis want their penis back. They don't want
a vagina. It's not the same thing at all. And guys who
have small dicks want bigger dicks. A vagina is not a
bigger *****. Period. It doesn't address the issue at all.
Number two is a crap shoot, at best.
My mother worked as the medical assistant to a urologist in California's
Central Valley for nearly 20 years; her doctor performed many of the
ambiguous genitalia surgeries, which is how I know about them. Among
migrant farm workers, who are regularly exposed to toxic levels of
agricultural chemicals, the problem is pretty common. Not that Young
gives a rat's tail.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
Help defend marriage in Washington state!
http://www.wa-doma.org
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13 Aug 2006 11:51:32 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered"
The kid wasnt trans, the kid was a botched circumcision. They
destroyed his penis as an infant with an electic scalpel And a bad
doctor.
A good christian Dr decided that if you dont have a penis you have to
have a vagina.
This was a child damaged by the medical profession. and the
judgement of said Dr.John Money. Dr.Money has now pretty much been
discarded as a quack. he hurt children and, adults asw ell
BTW Dr.Money didnt belive aduts should be allowed to transtion, but
that it was ok to force on infants in the sake of hetrosexual
normalcy.
In short, he was one of YOURS. Study next time.
The kid dindt CHOOSE to be assigned, he was assigned when he was an
infant to comfrm with christian American norms of apropriatly male or
female.
The reparitve therapy they used on him to get him to accept
Dr.Money's views of hetrosexual norms drove him to dispair and
suicide.
The people who transtion with proper medical care have a recovery and
happiness rate of about 93% making it one of the most successful
therapies in medicne.
So, kid, you lose this one.
Tak
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19 Aug 2006 04:05:19 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:51:32 GMT, Tak_a#344 <not@anadressyouass.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered"
The kid wasnt trans, the kid was a botched circumcision. They
destroyed his penis as an infant with an electic scalpel And a bad
doctor.
A good christian Dr decided that if you dont have a penis you have to
have a vagina.
This was a child damaged by the medical profession. and the
judgement of said Dr.John Money. Dr.Money has now pretty much been
discarded as a quack. he hurt children and, adults asw ell
BTW Dr.Money didnt belive aduts should be allowed to transtion, but
that it was ok to force on infants in the sake of hetrosexual
normalcy.
In short, he was one of YOURS. Study next time.
The kid dindt CHOOSE to be assigned, he was assigned when he was an
infant to comfrm with christian American norms of apropriatly male or
female.
In fact, these tragic cases refute the right's claim that sexual
orientation can be chosen or recruited. These involuntary infantile
sex changes never work. You cannot alter a person's sexuality no
matter how much social pressure/acceptance is brought to bear.
Straight kids will be straight, gay kids will be gay and
(psychologically) transgendered kids will be transgendered. If you
can't fool them by cutting off their dicks and putting them in a dress
from the age of zero, what chance does Boy George have?
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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14 Aug 2006 05:38:47 AM |
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Tak_a#344 wrote:
The kid wasnt trans, the kid was a botched circumcision.
Oh, don't give them more credit then they deserve. The
"conservative" crowd has often "converted" boys with what
they call "micro-penis." Remember: It's the Reich wing
that says sexual orientation can be a choice, or a matter
of upbringing. They are the ones who believe that any boy
could be successfully "trained" to be a girl, and to desire
other boys....
And, yeah, it's those "Liberals" who say they are nuts, and
battle against such practices.
I recall how one liberal-lefty, old Europe homosexual type
posted on the subject a few years ago. Seems he worked
(in a non-medical capacity) at an institution that performed
these sorts of operations on infants. I can only paraphrase
at this point, but what he said made a great deal of sense:
'Guys with small dicks want bigger dicks, not a vagina.'
It doesn't require a great leap to take us to:
'Guys who've lost their dicks want their dicks back, not a
vagina.'
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14 Aug 2006 04:15:09 PM |
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On 14 Aug 2006 03:38:47 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
I just was annoyed that he was equating people who underwent the
years of study and evaluation to undergo transtion, "a costly and
painfull process," to improve their quality of life with babies who
had been mutilated to meet conservative views of hetrosexist norms.
The Dr.Money incident didnt invalidate transtion, it proved its
validity, gender is in the brain, not the crotch or the upbrining.
Thats why Money lied about the results, they didnt meet up with his
theories,
But again, I don't think he actually READS the things he reposts. :)
Tak
a#344
Tak_a#344 wrote:
The kid wasnt trans, the kid was a botched circumcision.
Oh, don't give them more credit then they deserve. The
"conservative" crowd has often "converted" boys with what
they call "micro-penis." Remember: It's the Reich wing
that says sexual orientation can be a choice, or a matter
of upbringing. They are the ones who believe that any boy
could be successfully "trained" to be a girl, and to desire
other boys....
And, yeah, it's those "Liberals" who say they are nuts, and
battle against such practices.
I recall how one liberal-lefty, old Europe homosexual type
posted on the subject a few years ago. Seems he worked
(in a non-medical capacity) at an institution that performed
these sorts of operations on infants. I can only paraphrase
at this point, but what he said made a great deal of sense:
'Guys with small dicks want bigger dicks, not a vagina.'
It doesn't require a great leap to take us to:
'Guys who've lost their dicks want their dicks back, not a
vagina.'
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Aug 2006 12:41:02 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400, youngopinions wrote:
"Later, the child received estrogen injections and was raised as a girl
under Money's supervision at the Psychohormonal Research Unit at Johns
Hopkins. This so-called 'gender reassignment,' which was a tragedy for the
child, was touted as a triumph by the doctor, Knight points out. 'John
Money,' he notes, 'for 14 years reported in scientific journals that it had
been a complete success, proving that biology has nothing to do with your
sexual identity.'"
What's really funny and shows that Young has no real reading comprehension
is the paragraph above. The case was used to try to buttress the belief
that biology has nothing to do with identity.
But they were *wrong.
So if you can "choose" orientation or if it's "learned behavior," why is
it this kid didn't grow up to be an ordinary female?
Hm...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 02:18:01 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo ha escrito:
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400, youngopinions wrote:
"Later, the child received estrogen injections and was raised as a girl
under Money's supervision at the Psychohormonal Research Unit at Johns
Hopkins. This so-called 'gender reassignment,' which was a tragedy for the
child, was touted as a triumph by the doctor, Knight points out. 'John
Money,' he notes, 'for 14 years reported in scientific journals that it had
been a complete success, proving that biology has nothing to do with your
sexual identity.'"
What's really funny and shows that Young has no real reading comprehension
is the paragraph above. The case was used to try to buttress the belief
that biology has nothing to do with identity.
But they were *wrong.
So if you can "choose" orientation or if it's "learned behavior," why is
it this kid didn't grow up to be an ordinary female?
Hm...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
these fundies are really pissing off people.
They try to prop the idea the "sexual identitiy" is a choose. They do
that, because of logical implications. If sexual identity were not a
choose, they would have to accept these anomalies of a gay or a lesbian
person "are blunders" of an Intelligent Designer.
..
Well, I saw a report about a straight conservative young man that was
living in the Castro neighborhood of San Francisco among gay people for
a time. Don't remember how long. Several months I guess.
His point of view at the end was that "God could no make a boy a gay
from birth", they have choosen to be gays. So the idea of "there is a
genetic gay is false".
..
Well, let's accept for a moment that "God can not make a boy being a
gay or sissi from the time he is born."
Well, then what about the babies that are born blind or deaf? What
about the babies that are born lame, or otherwise deformed? Can God
permit these things to happen?
If God permit some babies could be born with genetic defects, then
there is not any reason to believe that He do not permited a baby would
be born a "genetic gay" from scratch.
So it is clear they are lying to people with their stories about God
would not permit this or would not permit that.
Just imagine, that to be a gay in most cases would not be genetic.
Just this could have been the result of an "operant conditioning". If
this would had been the result of an operant conditioning, it is clear
that this operant conditioning had to be very powerful.
Let's suppose it is the result of a conditioning. Who are to blame for
this result? The conservative idealogy that proscribed the sexual
relations among kids and adolescents. So, a crucial time to discover
the real sex is lost because of these prohibitions. Just image that at
a time when boys and girls should be trying to discover the
heterosexual pleasures, they are not allowed to. But, then a little by
accident they could discover that can be some pleasure involved with
people of the same sex. Here is when appears the "operant
conditioning". The pleasures from the sex experience are very
powerful, so as reinforcers are the most. So, if someone by accident
discovers, little by little how powerful are homosexual pleasures,
their are going to be easily converted to a new condition.
Operant conditioning is a very powerful reallity. As a prove of what I
am saying you can look at the suicidal terrorists. Could you explain
this phenomenon by other means? How can you explain that most people
in Islamic country are of islamic religion? How can you explain how
easily you drive people into a war? How can you explain that people in
the Southern States of the US are so Christian and so Evangelist, and
not so much the people of India?
If the condition of being gay in most cases were conditioned, the cause
of this comes from the restriction of sexual freedom in children and
adolescents. Moreover, if this proscriptions comes from God's
doctrine, the culprit is God and their followers.
So, if they don't want to see gays, they have to change the customs in
regard to sexual freedom. But they don't want that. They want to
institute a teocratic dictatorship.
Leopoldo
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 08:09:07 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400, youngopinions wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness.
Well, so are you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 08:14:20 AM |
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Pervert troll <youngopinions@aol.com> aka (IBen Getiner)
wrote in message news:oZidnSx59rKuaELZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
<J Young has> a perverted form of mental illness.
LC~ 'nuff said.
"I AM NOT a troll. Why do you keep saying that?"
From: (IBen Getiner)
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403152252.1135945@posting.google.com>
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 07:23:36 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and <youngopinions@aol.com> posting
the following on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
Except this person was not transgendered. Instead, after a botched
religious mutilation, the parents decided to raise the boy as a girl.
There's a big difference there.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 12:41:58 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:23:36 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
Except this person was not transgendered. Instead, after a botched
religious mutilation, the parents decided to raise the boy as a girl.
There's a big difference there.
What stuck me just now is that Young missed that the case shows that you
*can't "choose" your orientation. If you could, why didn't this kid grow
up to be an ordinary female?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Tak_a#344" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Changed to 'Girl' Yearned to be Boy |
14 Aug 2006 04:18:38 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:23:36 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and <youngopinions@aol.com> posting
the following on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:58:31 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
What liberals call "transgendered" or "she-male" is nothing more than a
perverted form of mental illness. The fact that this he/she became confused
later in life only affirms the necessity of banning these blasphemous
procedures. Cutting `em off is alot easier than growing `em.
Except this person was not transgendered. Instead, after a botched
religious mutilation, the parents decided to raise the boy as a girl.
It was Dr.Money's idea, not the parents. The parents were horrifed,
but they defaulted to "the specialist" who knew best.
Sadly Dr.Moneys falisifed study was used to damage and destroy the
lives of thousands of other clidren and their familes, all in the name
of the same binary hetrosexist norms this "Young" guy approves of.
Tak
a#344
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