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http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44612
PATRICK J BUCHANAN
WorldNetDaily Commentary
Posted: May 31, 2005
6:00 p.m. Eastern
There was no Nazi "holocaust"
@2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The so-called "establishment" media is missing a fundamental point --
the Jews who died during World War II by deliberate action of the
National Socialist government were either active combatants or guilty
criminals, and those who died incidental to the combat were no more
targets of "genocide" than the tens of millions of other peoples who
died during the conflict.
Before the war, the German government imprisoned people who committed
social and economic crimes against Germany. These crimes included
prostitution, pornography, abortion, certain types of harmful economic
speculation, membership in foreign-funded organizations seeking to
undermine the German State, such as the Communist Party, and other
crimes against society which were widely recognized in all Western
nations at the time, but which are largely not recognized as crimes
today. It "just so happens" such criminals were almost entirely Jewish.
To illustrate the criminal nature of concentration camp inhabitants,
two thirds of those imprisoned by the German government in so- called
"concentration camps" were re-imprisoned by the Allies within three
years of the liberation.
Thus, when someone says "I was in a concentration camp", one should ask
them "What was your crime?" And if they give some nonsense about "being
a Jew", just repeat, "No, what Jewish crimes did you commit? Were you a
pornographer? A prostitute? A communist? what?"
As to deaths in the camps, there were no gas chambers. Inmates who
committed crimes in the camps were hung or shot. The "gas chambers"
were built by the Soviets, again about 1948, to "prove" the "truth" of
their lying propaganda.
The six million figure was invented by Ilya Ehrenberg, and first
published by Soviet War News in 1944, before any camp had been
"liberated" and any "evidence" of "genocide" could even potentially
have been found.
Most of the photos of those allegedly killed in gas chambers are fakes.
It has been admitted that during the Nuremberg trials the US faked
footage of war crimes in order to convict the defendants. Such fakery
included taking photos of Allied and Soviet war crimes, such as the
corpses left after the bombing of Dresden or the killing of innocents
by the Soviets at Katyn, and announcing that the pictures showed
victims of German acts. It also included outright staging of photos,
including the staging of the "discovery" of a "vault of gold teeth" and
the staging of a "gas chamber door" photo.
As to the shootings on the Eastern Front, Germany had a policy of
executing Soviet commissars, because the Soviet commissars committed
crimes against humanity. Again, it "just so happens" that most of the
commissars were Jews. National Socialist partisans whose families had
been massacred by the Soviets also took vicious revenge on Soviet and
communist officials, often killing the murderer's entire families.
However, these were acts of reprisal, not genocide.
Thus, there was no "massacre of innocent people" during the Second
World War. There was the killing of criminals of various stripes, many
of whom "just happened" to be Jewish.
If the US, today, were to crack down on pornography and prostitution,
drug manufacture and distribution (particularly Ecstasy), the
manipulation of the economy against society for personal gain (a la
George Soros), espionage against the United States, and the promotion
of harmful social policies and war, the US would, as Germany did 70
years ago, find itself incarcerating or executing a lot of Jews. And,
as Germany found seventy years ago, the US would be a lot better off
for it.
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The complete demonization of Germany, and the sympathy
around the world for Jews, helped the British to create the modern
state of Israel, which was their plan since the 1840's
BRITISH LITERALIST FOREIGN POLICY
The British Literalists were not about to abandon their hopes
of converting Jews and sending them to Palestine to meet their
Messiah, especially not around 1840, when the current British policy
of offering protection to Jews living in Palestine raised great
expectations among the the premillennialists. Indeed, Literalist
influence was unofficially helping to shape that policy. An ardent
Literalist, Lord Ashley (later the Earl of Shaftesbury), was stepson-
in-law and confidant of Lord Palmerston, the British foreign
secretary. Ashley had private hopes of bringing about, through British
action, the restoration of Israel to Palestine in preparation for the
Second Advent. In 1840 he prodded Palmerston, by adducing political
reasons, into seeking international backing for Jewish migration to
Palestine, while he confided to his diary his own very different
motives, which were distinctly religious:
Dined with Palmerston. After dinner left alone with him. Propounded my
scheme, which seemed to strike his fancy . . . . Palmerston has
already been chosen by God to be an instrument of good to His ancient
people; to do homage, as it were, to their inheritance, and to
recognise their rights without believing their destiny . . . . I am
forced to argue politically, financially, commercially; these
considerations strike him home; he weeps not like his Master over
Jerusalem, nor prays that now, at last, she may put on her beautiful
garments.[1]
Ashley's influence was likewise behind the establishment of a
consulate in Jerusalem in 1838, also the creating of an Anglican
bishopric there in 1841 and the appointment to it of a Jewish
Christian bishop. On October 16, 1841, he wrote in his diary: "Where
would the Sultan's permission [to build the bishop's church] have been
without Palmerston's vigour in consequence of my repeated and earnest
representations?"[2]
But Ashley's dream of a British-sponsored and treaty-protected Jewish
migration to Palestine did not materialize. The four-power treaty of
1840 ignored the matter. Even the Jews themselves showed little
interest; more than half a century passed before Zionism arose.
[p. 4] Nevertheless, 20th-century British policy in the Middle East
owed something to the prophetic interpretation of the Literalists of
the 1830s and 1840s.
As one recent writer has put it:
Lord Shaftesbury's adventure marks the point when events began leading
logically toward the [Palestine] Mandate. . . .
Palmerston['s Middle Eastern policies] mark the beginning of official
British intervention on behalf of the "Jewish nation" and of its
resettlement in Palestine. . . .
Ashley had not labored in vain. . . . All these events centering in
the Holy Land [including "the visionary prospects aroused by the
Evangelical craze for conversion of the Jews and the Jerusalem
bishopric"] combined to create almost a proprietary feeling about
Palestine. The idea of a British annex there through the medium of a
British-sponsored restoration of Israel began to appeal to other minds
than Ashley's.[3]
[1] Anthony Ashley, Earl of Shaftesbury, Diary entries, quoted in
Edwin Hodder, The Life and Work of the Seventh Earl of Shaftesbury,
vol. 1, pp. 310, 311. Ashley was the one referred to, but not named
(in London Times, Aug. 17, 1840, p. 3, col. 5), as the promoter of
western-sponsored Jewish migration to Palestine.
[2] Hodder, op. cit., vol. 1, p. 377 (cf. pp. 370, 374). See also
Harold Temperley, England and the Near East: The Crimea (1936), p.
443, note 275; Barbara W. Tuchman, Bible and Sword (1956, 1968), chap.
10.
[3] Tuchman, op. cit. (1968 ed.), pp. xi, 197, 208.
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"British Israelism is the theory that Britain and the United States
constitute the ten lost tribes of Israel who were carried away as
captives by the Assyrians in 722 B.C.
"It is also believed that the Jews who were living in Israel at the
time of Christ are now under a curse for rejecting the Messiah. The
Israelites (the lost 10 tribes) now become the inheritors of God's
promises. Ephraim and Manasseh (the two sons of Joseph) are the major
inheritors of the title "Israelites" along with the other eight tribes
whose descendants are spread in other parts of the world. Because of
this dispersal, it is believed that the Queen of England now sits on
the throne of David.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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01 Jun 2005 06:39:14 AM |
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Lies come in handy, just like the Iraq WMD and mass graves.
PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
It is an issue that Human Rights Watch was acutely aware of when it
compiled its own pre-invasion research - admitting that it had to
reduce estimates for the al-Anfal campaign produced by Kurds by over a
third, as they believed the numbers they had been given were inflated.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html
PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer (London)
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by
Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves'
is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given
widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in
the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.
In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by
USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from
20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the
remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.'
On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by
Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted
on the Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings
[have] already [been] found in mass graves.'
The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week
in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler
report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence
reports 'to the outer limits' in the case for the threat posed by
Iraq.
Downing Street's admission comes amid growing questions over precisely
how many perished under Saddam's three decades of terror, and the
location of the bodies of the dead.
The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses
and murder on a large scale - not least in well-documented campaigns
including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against
Kurdish villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising - but
serious questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein's
murders.
It comes amid inflation from an estimate by Human Rights Watch in May
2003 of 290,000 'missing' to the latest claims by the Iraqi Prime
Minister, Iyad Allawi, that one million are missing.
At the heart of the questions are the numbers so far identified in
Iraq's graves. Of 270 suspected grave sites identified in the last
year, 55 have now been examined, revealing, according to the best
estimates that The Observer has been able to obtain, around 5,000
bodies. Forensic examination of grave sites has been hampered by lack
of security in Iraq, amid widespread complaints by human rights
organisations that until recently the graves have not been secured and
protected.
While some sites have contained hundreds of bodies - including a
series around the town of Hilla and another near the Saudi border -
others have contained no more than a dozen.
And while few have any doubts that Saddam's regime was responsible for
serious crimes against humanity, the exact scale of those crimes has
become increasingly politicised in both Washington and London as it
has become clearer that the case against Iraq for retention of weapons
of mass destruction has faded.
The USAID website, which quotes Blair's 400,000 assertion, states: 'If
these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity
surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot's Cambodian
killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.'
It is an issue that Human Rights Watch was acutely aware of when it
compiled its own pre-invasion research - admitting that it had to
reduce estimates for the al-Anfal campaign produced by Kurds by over a
third, as they believed the numbers they had been given were inflated.
Hania Mufti, one of the researchers that produced that estimate, said:
'Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based
in part on circumstantial information gathered over the years.'
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The US mass graves expert was Sandra Hodgkinson, who has worked
with the "Iraqi opposition" and Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress
since 1998.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sandra_Hodgkinson
Sandra Hodgkinson, the Coalition Provisional Authority's director of
human rights
Under the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, defense officials provided
some war crimes and crimes against humanity training at the Defense
Institute of International Legal Studies in Newport, R.I., for the
Iraqi opposition. "I was the course coordinator and an instructor for
that program," Hodgkinson said".
In her civilian capacity, Hodgkinson has participated in the State
Department's Future of Iraq Project, and about two years ago, she
spoke at a Human Rights and Transitional Justice seminar arranged by
the Iraqi National Congress in London. In February she began working
with the Defense Department's Office of Reconstruction and
Humanitarian Assistance, deploying first to Kuwait and then to Baghdad
on March 16
Read the news article at the bottom, wherein is stated:
"A Defense Intelligence Agency internal review determined that much of
the information Iraqi defectors gave to U.S. officials could not be
substantiated or was otherwise unusable.....
"that they and others now question the credibility of the group's
leader, Ahmad Chalabi, as well as doubt the Iraqi National Congress. "
Investigators Say Iraqi Mass Graves Hold 300,000
By Andrew Hammond
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi and U.S. rights investigators said on
Saturday they suspected Iraq had up to 260 mass graves containing the
bodies of at people murdered by the former regime of Saddam Hussein.
"We have reports of 260 mass graves and we have confirmed
approximately 40 of them," said Sandra Hodgkinson, director of the
Coalition Provisional Authority's (CPA) mass grave action plan'.
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Iraqi Defector Information Unreliable
Sept. 29, 2003
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Defense Intelligence Agency internal review
determined that much of the information Iraqi defectors gave to U.S.
officials could not be substantiated or was otherwise unusable, the
New York Times reported on Monday, citing federal sources.
Also, some defectors from Iraq that the Iraqi National Congress had
introduced to U.S. intelligence officials gave false information about
their credentials and misled interviewers about how much they knew
about the Iraqi government's weapons program, said the paper.
No more than one-third of the information gained from the defectors
was potentially useful and many leads did not pan out, officials told
the daily.
Some of the intelligence in question includes information on Iraq's
suspected program for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Data
provided about the Iraqi government is also doubted, the officials
informed the Times.
The arrangement between the United States and the exile group, which
was funded by taxpayers, may have wasted more than $1 million,
officials informed the Times, adding that they and others now question
the credibility of the group's leader, Ahmad Chalabi, as well as doubt
the Iraqi National Congress.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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01 Jun 2005 11:17:01 AM |
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"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1117580878.664274.233640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44612
PATRICK J BUCHANAN
WorldNetDaily Commentary
Posted: May 31, 2005
6:00 p.m. Eastern
Not surprisingly, there is no such article or link. Below is the actual
article written by Buchanan on that day. I think it's always interesting
that those in the Left wing have no problem lying their asses off to defame
someone on the right. Even a rightwing extremist like Buchanan isn't
extreme enough for you. You have to quote some 4th reich Nazi and attribute
his words to Buchanan! The article you plagiarized and attached Buchanan's
name to is at;
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=8115
Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?
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Take John on, Bill, or get off the playground
Posted: May 31, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
With the Republican Senate 24 hours away from liberating all seven judicial
hostages of Minority Leader Harry Reid and his Democrats, Sen. John McCain
stepped in to snatch compromise from the jaws of victory.
We will, said McCain, settle for only three. McCain's Gang of Seven had
just engineered a Republican Munich.
As of Monday, Majority Leader Bill Frist had the 51 votes needed to free
all seven. Had a cloture vote been taken, all seven Bush appellate court
appointees would soon be on their way to the federal bench. Reid's
Democratic minority would have been stripped permanently of its power to
abuse, delay and kill Bush judges and Supreme Court justices.
After months of painstaking work and press abuse, Republicans were on the
precipice of a triumph. The McCain Seven stepped in – to trade the horse
for a rabbit.
Now, instead of Republicans winning all seven and disarming Reid, Ted
Kennedy and Co. of their lethal weapon, Democrats agreed to release three
hostages, but hold the other four – and were given a GOP blessing to use
their filibuster-veto in "extraordinary circumstances," i.e., should Bush
name to the Supreme Court a jurist like William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia
or Clarence Thomas.
McCain is doing victory laps on the morning talk shows and assuring us,
"The country won." But ***** Durbin and Reid are talking like men who just
rubbed Republican noses in the dirt. "The nuclear option is off the table,"
said Sen. Durbin. Reid was especially gracious: "Abuse of power will not be
tolerated, and attempts to trample the Constitution and grab absolute
control are over."
As of now, the winners are McCain – who has burnished his credentials with
liberals – Democrats and the mainstream media, who will lacquer up any
Republican who sells out the right. The losers are Bill Frist, the
Republican majority, the four abandoned nominees – now back in limbo – and
George Bush.
In a shot at the president, South Carolina's Sen. Lindsey Graham, who
appears to look to McCain as his future leader rather than Bush as his
present leader, said: "We're going to start talking about who would be a
good judge and who wouldn't. And the White House is going to get more
involved and going to listen more."
Not only did Graham dump his party to go with the Gang of Seven and collude
with Democrats, he gave credence to the liberal charge that some Bush
nominees are indeed beyond the pale.
Graham should state exactly which conservative jurist Bush named who would
not be a "good judge." If he believes Bush has failed to consult, or
appointed unqualified men or women, why not vote them down, rather than let
liberal obstructionists keep their lethal weapon to kill Republican Supreme
Court nominees?
What McCain has done is to cobble together a small but controlling block of
dissident Republicans to deny the GOP majority its right to rule and run
the Senate, except on McCain's terms.
This is a direct challenge to Bill Frist. If he and the GOP majority accept
the McCain compromise, they will invite the contempt of the people who sent
them here with a conservative mandate. At that top of that agenda is to
remake the federal courts and to terminate the Supreme Court's 50-year
tenure as judicial dictator and supreme agent of social, cultural and moral
revolution in America.
What ought Frist to do?
Hold a press conference and declare to the party and country that, while
the McCain compromise may bind the seven, it does not bind the Senate, and,
as majority leader, he intends to give every nominee to come out of the
Judiciary Committee a floor vote. Should any nominee be filibustered, he
will move to invoke cloture and shut off debate.
If McCain's Gang of Seven wishes to vote with 45 Democrats to let judicial
nominees be filibuster-vetoed, that is their right. But they will have to
vote with Reid, Barbara Boxer and Kennedy, and against their fellow
Republicans and President Bush.
McCain has thrown down a challenge to Bush, as well. Before Monday, the
Democratic minority was dictating which judges would be held hostage and
which ones would be released. Now, it is the Democratic minority, plus the
McCain Seven, that is doing the dictating.
What Bush should reply is: There is not an extremist among them. All are
men and women of integrity, intelligence and judicial demeanor. I want them
all voted up or voted down. To deny them a vote is to do them and the
nation an injustice.
If the president and Frist move toughly, and together, they can scatter the
McCain gang, get every judge voted on and disarm the Democrats of their
lethal weapon. They have the votes. The question is: Do they have the
nerve?
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Logic is not everything. But it is something--something which can be
taught, something which can be learned, something which can help us in some
degree to think more sensibly about the dangerous world in which we live.--
David Hackett Fischer, Historians' Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical
Thought, Harper & Row, 1970, p. 306.
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01 Jun 2005 06:43:59 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:17:01 -0500,
<Xns96687CF5C4150jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142> Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?
That is a good sig line and I am going to make it into one! Taht is what a lot
of my opposition does to me!
Tavish
"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
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Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:17:01 -0500,
<Xns96687CF5C4150jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142> Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?
That is a good sig line and I am going to make it into one! Taht is what a lot
of my opposition does to me!
Yeah, we tell the truth about you - thanks for admitting that you're a rabid
hater of anything to do with Judaism, and that you're almost as bug as the
town you live in. When will you put your $10,000 up for Roger?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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02 Jun 2005 07:04:37 PM |
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On 01 Jun 2005 23:25:48 -0500, <szkvf4xtmer.fsf@eris.io.com> Patrick Lee
Humphrey aka The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:17:01 -0500,
<Xns96687CF5C4150jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142> Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?
That is a good sig line and I am going to make it into one! That is what a lot
of my opposition does to me!
Yeah, we tell the truth about you - thanks for admitting that you're a rabid
hater of anything to do with Judaism,
Where did I make such an admission? See you're already caught in a transparent
lie!
and that you're almost as bug as the town you live in. When will you put your $10,000 up for Roger?
I don't owe Roger $10,000 which is another lie you are caught in!!
Now for the real truth:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4n4u10thkq0jntg82glctakap9drrejg4n@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Patrick L. Humphrey-- A Dangerous Stalker? - How To Identify Stalkers
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Date: 3 Feb 2004 03:56:50 GMT
How Patrick L.Humphrey Avoids the Facts Contained in the Archive Above:
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Date: 3 Feb 2004 20:45:36 GMT
Patrick Lee Humphrey: Facts about His TERMINATION From Rice University:
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Date: 3 Feb 2004 20:29:17 GMT
---Undeniable proof Patrick "Peeping Tom" Humphrey has a mental disorder:
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(Archived locally as: PatrickPeepingStalker)
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From: Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
Date: 26 Jan 2004 20:39:38 -0600
"Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> writes:
Hang in there Pat. The rest of the world is with you.
I'm not worried...how could I peep in a SECOND-STORY bathroom window?
(Despite Fatbury's delusions, I'm highly unlikely to ever be confused with
Superman.)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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Notice Patrick did not deny he would do such either and take note of this
confession and who he wanted to peep on!! (Another male which would make Patrick
a homosexual voyeur for sure!!!)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&ic=1&selm=50ht24%24l0g%40anarchy.io.com
(Archived locally as: PatrickThePeeper)
Subject: Re: PATRICK "THE STALKER?"
Date: 1996/09/03
Message-ID: <50ht24$l0g@anarchy.io.com>
references: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960808135921.27762B-100000@omni.cc.purdue.edu>
---Sad, but true, but at least it'll be a bit easier than I thought to
encounter "Shawn" when I'm in Austin next month--if I'm out at night, just look
for anyone peeking into windows... Patrick L. Humphrey
Here is what some experts say about Patrick's behavior:
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/issues/99/10.28/news.peeping.html
(Archived locally as: PLH_Voyeur)
Voyeurism at root of Peeping Tom incidents
CRIME: Cases uncommon on campus; recent arrest one of seven since 1997
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Linh Tat Daily Bruin Contributor Although everyone has heard the term
"Peeping Tom" before, most people may still be in the dark when it comes to
understanding the nature of this criminal offense. Many people may label a
person who secretly observes another undressing or in the nude as a Peeping Tom,
but they do not always consider that those who repeatedly commit this offense
may suffer from a psychological disorder.... <END>
http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatric+disorder+%22Peeping+Tom%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=20&sa=N
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.html
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919)
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.pdf
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919.resp.pdf)
....In November 1997, after reviewing police reports that implicated petitioner
as a suspect in a "Peeping Tom" incident that occurred in the vicinity of the
rape, NCIS reopened its investigation. Pet. App. 23a. Thereafter, the NCIS
office in Hawaii asked NCIS Special Agent John McNutt, assigned to the NCIS
office in Memphis, Tennessee, to interrogate petitioner, who was living in
Memphis, and to ask him to provide NCIS with a sample of his blood. Id. at 24a.
After learning that petitioner was receiving medical treatment at the
Veteran's Administration (VA) Hospital in Memphis, McNutt contacted the VA and
was allowed to review petitioner's medical records. Pet. App. 24a. During that
review, McNutt learned that petitioner was being treated for diabetes and a
mental disorder.... <END>
Need I say more? All fully documented, archived, and irrefutable!!!
Tavish
"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
Message ID: Xns96687CF5C4150jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in
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Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell
transparent lies about your opposition, while they can
undermine your efforts merely by telling the truth
about you?
That is a good sig line and I am going to make it into one! That is
what a lot of my opposition does to me!
Tavish
"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
Help yourself. And thanks. Always nice to be appreciated.
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Logic is not everything. But it is something--something which can be
taught, something which can be learned, something which can help us in some
degree to think more sensibly about the dangerous world in which we live.--
David Hackett Fischer, Historians' Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical
Thought, Harper & Row, 1970, p. 306.
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http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44612
PATRICK J BUCHANAN
WorldNetDaily Commentary
Posted: May 31, 2005
6:00 p.m. Eastern
There was no Nazi "holocaust"
Isn't that sweet.....A moron quoting a dumbass.
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Fake post attempting to start an internet rumour.
Pretty sleazy tactic, that.
-Jeff
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Fake post attempting to start an internet rumour.
Pretty sleazy tactic, that.
Republicans are the living embodiment of sleaze.
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For Christ's sake, if you're going to lie, at least make it convincing.
This is embarassing.
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On 4 Jun 2005 23:36:39 -0700, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
wrote:
For Christ's sake, if you're going to lie, at least make it convincing.
This is embarassing.
It is absolutely true.
I'll never forget the look on my friend's face when she told
me that the lampshade turned out to be made of pig skin.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
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provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
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05 Jun 2005 07:23:53 AM |
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On 4 Jun 2005 23:36:39 -0700, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
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***** !!!
Neo nazi poroganda designed to twist and change history !
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http://www.surfrider.org/coastal_news/
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EC-SurfRider <surf2live@gmal.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
|| For Christ's sake, if you're going to lie, at least make it convincing.
|| This is embarassing.
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| It is absolutely true.
***** !!!
Neo nazi poroganda designed to twist and change history !
There's a well-reasoned argument.
Here's a better one.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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05 Jun 2005 08:16:27 PM |
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Neo nazi poroganda designed to twist and change history !
There's a well-reasoned argument.
Here's a better one.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html
Yes, this confirms what I said:
Occasionally you hear about human-skin lampshades in private
collections. I won't claim to have surveyed the field, but I did speak
to Norm Sauer, a professor of forensic anthropology at Michigan State
University. Professor Sauer was part of a team of experts that a few
years ago examined a number of alleged human souvenirs that had been
donated to the Holocaust Memorial Center, now located in Farmington
Hills, MI. Among the items were a lampshade (and it really was a
lampshade, consisting of panels on a wire frame), two chess sets, and
a bar of soap, along with some collections of ashes, bone fragments,
and so on. Although some of the bone fragments did appear to be human,
most and possibly all of the household objects were not. The chess
sets were made of animal but not human bone; the lampshade possibly
was deer or goat but not human skin.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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The Holohoaxers changed history when the but out fabrications only they
themselves are allowed to investigate.
Kurt Knoll.
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***** !!!
Neo nazi poroganda designed to twist and change history !
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EC-SurfRider
http://www.surfrider.org/coastal_news/
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05 Jun 2005 09:51:25 AM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote
in message <d4k5a11bg7e519r9uebg4qlqcg1fvdk2c4@4ax.com>:
On 4 Jun 2005 23:36:39 -0700, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
wrote:
For Christ's sake, if you're going to lie, at least make it convincing.
This is embarassing.
It is absolutely true.
I'll never forget the look on my friend's face when she told
me that the lampshade turned out to be made of pig skin.
Hard to forget something that never happened, huh?
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05 Jun 2005 10:48:54 AM |
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Isle Koch's Lampshade was made out of pig skin the defence was never allowed
to investigate.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d4k5a11bg7e519r9uebg4qlqcg1fvdk2c4@4ax.com...
On 4 Jun 2005 23:36:39 -0700, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
wrote:
For Christ's sake, if you're going to lie, at least make it convincing.
This is embarassing.
It is absolutely true.
I'll never forget the look on my friend's face when she told
me that the lampshade turned out to be made of pig skin.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy,
scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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01 Jun 2005 05:44:03 AM |
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I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
she was handling the estate of a wealthy Jewish woman,
among the belonging was a "human skin" lampshade.
My girlfriend got the creeps, and didn't know what to
do with it. The lampshade was displayed in a glass
case, as proof of German cruelty, God know how many people saw it
and believed it was actually made of Jewish skin. My girlfriend
believed it was made of human skin, even I believed it,
just like we were taught to believe those stories.
Someone suggested to my friend that she give it to a museum
or university. She sent it to a A large university, I think it was
Duke, they tested the lampshade, it turned out to be made of pig
skin!
My friend was astonished, I was surprised too. I had assumed those
"human skin lampshade" stories were true.
I searched for info about "human skin lampshades" and found this site
about a court reporter who covered the Dachau War Crime Trials
"According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades
were really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by
General Clay years later:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/index.html
Dachau War Crime Trials
"The trials at Dachau brought some of the worst traits of mankind to
light. But, as I found out, at Dachau and from the case records years
later, those trials served neither historical truth, nor justice."
Joseph Halow, Dachau court reporter, 1992, "Innocent at Dachau"
"And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that
the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html
The most notorious war criminal, of all those who were brought before
the American Military Tribunal at Dachau, was unquestionably Ilse
Koch, the wife of Karl Otto Koch, the infamous former Commandant of
the Buchenwald concentration camp, and an SS-Aufseherin (female
overseer) in the camp herself. The two photographs above show the
41-year-old "***** of Buchenwald" in the courtroom at Dachau. Ilse
Koch was charged with the horrific crime of selecting Buchenwald
prisoners to be killed by her alleged lover, Dr. Waldemar Hoven, in
order to have lamp shades made from their tattooed skin.
After the war, American investigators tried to get Konrad Morgen to
sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had ordered prisoners killed to make
human lamp shades, but he refused, even after several beatings. The
following quote is from a footnote in John Toland's book, entitled
"Adolf Hitler":
"Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the
Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of
sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven.
After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that
Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied
that, while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly
innocent of this charge.
According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades
were really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by
General Clay years later:
"There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than
she was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death
sentence. I suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything
else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the "***** of
Buchenwald," had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin
in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was
absolutely proven that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
According to the Buchenwald Report, there was a factory at Buchenwald,
which produced leather goods out of animal skins, but it caught on
fire during an Allied bombing raid on the camp on August 24, 1944.
General Clay made an error in referring to Frau Koch's sentence as a
"death sentence." She had actually been sentenced to life in prison.
His opinion that she was a "loathsome creature" might have been based
on the fact that, midway through her trial, Ilse Koch announced in the
courtroom that she was pregnant. Frau Koch already had a reputation
for being promiscuous. According to Dachau court reporter, Joseph
Halow, in his book "Innocent at Dachau," there were unverified rumors
that Frau Koch had engaged in numerous affairs with SS officers, and
even with some of the inmates, at the Buchenwald concentration camp.
Halow also mentions that he was shocked to learn that Ilse Koch may
have turned to other men because her husband was a "homosexual."
According to the Buchenwald Report, her husband also suffered from
syphilis, a sexually transmitted disease.
________________________
The "human soap" stories were black op propaganda too:
A rumor having to do with soap circulated in Europe during World War
II. It was one of several rumors which had ghoulish behavior of Nazis
as the central theme. This rumor was a variation on a black propaganda
story concocted by the British about the Germans during World War I.
During that war a story appeared in the German press that the Germans
were taking dead horses and rendering the fat from them to be used in
soap. Germany is a country of shortage during wartime and nothing is
let go to waste. The British altered the story and fed it back into
Germany that dead German soldiers were being rendered for their fat
for soap production instead. After the war was over, Great Britain
apologized for this and other atrocity stories it spread during the
war.
This story was resurrected during World War II in a Germany again
beset by war shortages. There are at least three versions of the human
soap story as it relates to Nazi Germany. The first and one most
widely circulated was that soap was made using fat rendered from the
bodies of murdered Jews. This soap was stamped with the initials "RJF"
which allegedly meant the soap was made from pure Jewish fat.
Actually, the stamp on the soap was "RIF" which stood for Reichsstelle
Industrielle Fettversorgung, the organization that made the soap.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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02 Jun 2005 02:53:03 AM |
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Bet it was sold originally by a yid.
They love making money out of the holohoax.
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gt3r91l7kf29q4mscn9m7naquvfk3o7bg3@4ax.com...
I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
she was handling the estate of a wealthy Jewish woman,
among the belonging was a "human skin" lampshade.
My girlfriend got the creeps, and didn't know what to
do with it. The lampshade was displayed in a glass
case, as proof of German cruelty, God know how many people saw it
and believed it was actually made of Jewish skin. My girlfriend
believed it was made of human skin, even I believed it,
just like we were taught to believe those stories.
Someone suggested to my friend that she give it to a museum
or university. She sent it to a A large university, I think it was
Duke, they tested the lampshade, it turned out to be made of pig
skin!
My friend was astonished, I was surprised too. I had assumed those
"human skin lampshade" stories were true.
I searched for info about "human skin lampshades" and found this site
about a court reporter who covered the Dachau War Crime Trials
"According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades
were really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by
General Clay years later:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/index.html
Dachau War Crime Trials
"The trials at Dachau brought some of the worst traits of mankind to
light. But, as I found out, at Dachau and from the case records years
later, those trials served neither historical truth, nor justice."
Joseph Halow, Dachau court reporter, 1992, "Innocent at Dachau"
"And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that
the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html
The most notorious war criminal, of all those who were brought before
the American Military Tribunal at Dachau, was unquestionably Ilse
Koch, the wife of Karl Otto Koch, the infamous former Commandant of
the Buchenwald concentration camp, and an SS-Aufseherin (female
overseer) in the camp herself. The two photographs above show the
41-year-old "***** of Buchenwald" in the courtroom at Dachau. Ilse
Koch was charged with the horrific crime of selecting Buchenwald
prisoners to be killed by her alleged lover, Dr. Waldemar Hoven, in
order to have lamp shades made from their tattooed skin.
After the war, American investigators tried to get Konrad Morgen to
sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had ordered prisoners killed to make
human lamp shades, but he refused, even after several beatings. The
following quote is from a footnote in John Toland's book, entitled
"Adolf Hitler":
"Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the
Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of
sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven.
After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that
Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied
that, while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly
innocent of this charge.
According to Jean Edward Smith in his biography, "Lucius D. Clay, an
American Life," the general maintained that the leather lamp shades
were really made out of goat skin. The book quotes a statement made by
General Clay years later:
"There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than
she was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death
sentence. I suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything
else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the "***** of
Buchenwald," had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin
in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was
absolutely proven that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin."
According to the Buchenwald Report, there was a factory at Buchenwald,
which produced leather goods out of animal skins, but it caught on
fire during an Allied bombing raid on the camp on August 24, 1944.
General Clay made an error in referring to Frau Koch's sentence as a
"death sentence." She had actually been sentenced to life in prison.
His opinion that she was a "loathsome creature" might have been based
on the fact that, midway through her trial, Ilse Koch announced in the
courtroom that she was pregnant. Frau Koch already had a reputation
for being promiscuous. According to Dachau court reporter, Joseph
Halow, in his book "Innocent at Dachau," there were unverified rumors
that Frau Koch had engaged in numerous affairs with SS officers, and
even with some of the inmates, at the Buchenwald concentration camp.
Halow also mentions that he was shocked to learn that Ilse Koch may
have turned to other men because her husband was a "homosexual."
According to the Buchenwald Report, her husband also suffered from
syphilis, a sexually transmitted disease.
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The "human soap" stories were black op propaganda too:
A rumor having to do with soap circulated in Europe during World War
II. It was one of several rumors which had ghoulish behavior of Nazis
as the central theme. This rumor was a variation on a black propaganda
story concocted by the British about the Germans during World War I.
During that war a story appeared in the German press that the Germans
were taking dead horses and rendering the fat from them to be used in
soap. Germany is a country of shortage during wartime and nothing is
let go to waste. The British altered the story and fed it back into
Germany that dead German soldiers were being rendered for their fat
for soap production instead. After the war was over, Great Britain
apologized for this and other atrocity stories it spread during the
war.
This story was resurrected during World War II in a Germany again
beset by war shortages. There are at least three versions of the human
soap story as it relates to Nazi Germany. The first and one most
widely circulated was that soap was made using fat rendered from the
bodies of murdered Jews. This soap was stamped with the initials "RJF"
which allegedly meant the soap was made from pure Jewish fat.
Actually, the stamp on the soap was "RIF" which stood for Reichsstelle
Industrielle Fettversorgung, the organization that made the soap.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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01 Jun 2005 11:43:51 AM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote
in message <gt3r91l7kf29q4mscn9m7naquvfk3o7bg3@4ax.com>:
I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
And the sister of a buddy of my third cousin twice removed says that
this story is a complete fabrication.
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01 Jun 2005 02:37:41 PM |
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I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
And the sister of a buddy of my third cousin twice removed says that
this story is a complete fabrication.
Nope. It's true.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
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| User: "steve wolk" |
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02 Jun 2005 12:03:57 AM |
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dj3s9199796334jabdctftcmmhu71gh6nr@4ax.com...
I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
And the sister of a buddy of my third cousin twice removed says that
this story is a complete fabrication.
Nope. It's true.
Of course it's true. Now go lie down and the Easter Bunny will soon put
something under your pillow. Hopefully, it will contain enough IQ points to
bring you to within striking distance of sub-normal.
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| User: "Roger" |
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01 Jun 2005 04:55:27 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote
in message <dj3s9199796334jabdctftcmmhu71gh6nr@4ax.com>:
I had a girlfriend in Connecticut who is an antique dealer,
And the sister of a buddy of my third cousin twice removed says that
this story is a complete fabrication.
Nope. It's true.
The you won't mind telling us who did the testing, will you?
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| User: "Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com" |
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01 Jun 2005 09:21:18 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:55:27 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
In
Nope. It's true.
The you won't mind telling us who did the testing, will you?
Like I said, I think it was Duke, I know it was one of the major
universities in the Carolinas.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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| User: "Alric Knebel" |
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31 May 2005 06:35:55 PM |
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I've researched this trash, and Buchanan didn't write this piece today.
At that site, there's another piece he wrote, but not this one. This
is a terrible thing to do to someone, to say this sort of trash and
accredit it to a known personality. A terrible thing.
biniohas wrote:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44612
PATRICK J BUCHANAN
WorldNetDaily Commentary
Posted: May 31, 2005
6:00 p.m. Eastern
There was no Nazi "holocaust"
@2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The so-called "establishment" media is missing a fundamental point --
the Jews who died during World War II by deliberate action of the
National Socialist government were either active combatants or guilty
criminals, and those who died incidental to the combat were no more
targets of "genocide" than the tens of millions of other peoples who
died during the conflict.
Before the war, the German government imprisoned people who committed
social and economic crimes against Germany. These crimes included
prostitution, pornography, abortion, certain types of harmful economic
speculation, membership in foreign-funded organizations seeking to
undermine the German State, such as the Communist Party, and other
crimes against society which were widely recognized in all Western
nations at the time, but which are largely not recognized as crimes
today. It "just so happens" such criminals were almost entirely Jewish.
To illustrate the criminal nature of concentration camp inhabitants,
two thirds of those imprisoned by the German government in so- called
"concentration camps" were re-imprisoned by the Allies within three
years of the liberation.
Thus, when someone says "I was in a concentration camp", one should ask
them "What was your crime?" And if they give some nonsense about "being
a Jew", just repeat, "No, what Jewish crimes did you commit? Were you a
pornographer? A prostitute? A communist? what?"
As to deaths in the camps, there were no gas chambers. Inmates who
committed crimes in the camps were hung or shot. The "gas chambers"
were built by the Soviets, again about 1948, to "prove" the "truth" of
their lying propaganda.
The six million figure was invented by Ilya Ehrenberg, and first
published by Soviet War News in 1944, before any camp had been
"liberated" and any "evidence" of "genocide" could even potentially
have been found.
Most of the photos of those allegedly killed in gas chambers are fakes.
It has been admitted that during the Nuremberg trials the US faked
footage of war crimes in order to convict the defendants. Such fakery
included taking photos of Allied and Soviet war crimes, such as the
corpses left after the bombing of Dresden or the killing of innocents
by the Soviets at Katyn, and announcing that the pictures showed
victims of German acts. It also included outright staging of photos,
including the staging of the "discovery" of a "vault of gold teeth" and
the staging of a "gas chamber door" photo.
As to the shootings on the Eastern Front, Germany had a policy of
executing Soviet commissars, because the Soviet commissars committed
crimes against humanity. Again, it "just so happens" that most of the
commissars were Jews. National Socialist partisans whose families had
been massacred by the Soviets also took vicious revenge on Soviet and
communist officials, often killing the murderer's entire families.
However, these were acts of reprisal, not genocide.
Thus, there was no "massacre of innocent people" during the Second
World War. There was the killing of criminals of various stripes, many
of whom "just happened" to be Jewish.
If the US, today, were to crack down on pornography and prostitution,
drug manufacture and distribution (particularly Ecstasy), the
manipulation of the economy against society for personal gain (a la
George Soros), espionage against the United States, and the promotion
of harmful social policies and war, the US would, as Germany did 70
years ago, find itself incarcerating or executing a lot of Jews. And,
as Germany found seventy years ago, the US would be a lot better off
for it.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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31 May 2005 06:51:22 PM |
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Alric Knebel <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:429CF4DB.6040708
@bellsouth.net:
I've researched this trash, and Buchanan didn't write this piece today.
At that site, there's another piece he wrote, but not this one. This
is a terrible thing to do to someone, to say this sort of trash and
accredit it to a known personality. A terrible thing.
He DID, however, grace us with this
kneeslapper.
"Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide
to kill anybody."
Republican Pat Buchanan, denying that thousands of
Jews were killed by that very method at the Treblinka
concentration camp. (New Republic, 10/22/90)
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| User: "Commentary Editor, WorldNetDaily" |
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31 May 2005 09:25:42 PM |
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Not only did we never publish this piece of slanderous garbage, but
Buchanan never wrote it.
Tom Ambrose
Commentary Editor
WorldNetDaily.com
biniohas wrote:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44612
PATRICK J BUCHANAN
WorldNetDaily Commentary
Posted: May 31, 2005
6:00 p.m. Eastern
There was no Nazi "holocaust"
@2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The so-called "establishment" media is missing a fundamental point --
the Jews who died during World War II by deliberate action of the
National Socialist government were either active combatants or guilty
criminals, and those who died incidental to the combat were no more
targets of "genocide" than the tens of millions of other peoples who
died during the conflict.
Before the war, the German government imprisoned people who committed
social and economic crimes against Germany. These crimes included
prostitution, pornography, abortion, certain types of harmful economic
speculation, membership in foreign-funded organizations seeking to
undermine the German State, such as the Communist Party, and other
crimes against society which were widely recognized in all Western
nations at the time, but which are largely not recognized as crimes
today. It "just so happens" such criminals were almost entirely Jewish.
To illustrate the criminal nature of concentration camp inhabitants,
two thirds of those imprisoned by the German government in so- called
"concentration camps" were re-imprisoned by the Allies within three
years of the liberation.
Thus, when someone says "I was in a concentration camp", one should ask
them "What was your crime?" And if they give some nonsense about "being
a Jew", just repeat, "No, what Jewish crimes did you commit? Were you a
pornographer? A prostitute? A communist? what?"
As to deaths in the camps, there were no gas chambers. Inmates who
committed crimes in the camps were hung or shot. The "gas chambers"
were built by the Soviets, again about 1948, to "prove" the "truth" of
their lying propaganda.
The six million figure was invented by Ilya Ehrenberg, and first
published by Soviet War News in 1944, before any camp had been
"liberated" and any "evidence" of "genocide" could even potentially
have been found.
Most of the photos of those allegedly killed in gas chambers are fakes.
It has been admitted that during the Nuremberg trials the US faked
footage of war crimes in order to convict the defendants. Such fakery
included taking photos of Allied and Soviet war crimes, such as the
corpses left after the bombing of Dresden or the killing of innocents
by the Soviets at Katyn, and announcing that the pictures showed
victims of German acts. It also included outright staging of photos,
including the staging of the "discovery" of a "vault of gold teeth" and
the staging of a "gas chamber door" photo.
As to the shootings on the Eastern Front, Germany had a policy of
executing Soviet commissars, because the Soviet commissars committed
crimes against humanity. Again, it "just so happens" that most of the
commissars were Jews. National Socialist partisans whose families had
been massacred by the Soviets also took vicious revenge on Soviet and
communist officials, often killing the murderer's entire families.
However, these were acts of reprisal, not genocide.
Thus, there was no "massacre of innocent people" during the Second
World War. There was the killing of criminals of various stripes, many
of whom "just happened" to be Jewish.
If the US, today, were to crack down on pornography and prostitution,
drug manufacture and distribution (particularly Ecstasy), the
manipulation of the economy against society for personal gain (a la
George Soros), espionage against the United States, and the promotion
of harmful social policies and war, the US would, as Germany did 70
years ago, find itself incarcerating or executing a lot of Jews. And,
as Germany found seventy years ago, the US would be a lot better off
for it.
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