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"Ray Fischer" |
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13 Apr 2006 12:50:41 AM |
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Bush caught in yet another lie |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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13 Apr 2006 10:04:17 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
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: WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
: President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
: destruction had been found in Iraq.
:
: The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
: determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
: biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
: Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
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: --
: Ray Fischer
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Old news, and not nearly as damning as it may first appear. Here is the link
to an on-line version of this article (I don't recall if the site needs a
registration, but if it does, it should be free):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101888.html?nav=rss_world
What this article also states, in paragraph 12 (the last paragraph displayed
on the first page), is the following:
Intelligence analysts involved in high-level discussions
about the trailers noted that the technical team was among
several groups that analyzed the suspected mobile labs
throughout the spring and summer of 2003. Two teams of military
experts who viewed the trailers soon after their discovery
concluded that the facilities were weapons labs, a finding that
strongly influenced views of intelligence officials in Washington,
the analysts said. "It was hotly debated, and there were experts
making arguments on both sides," said one former senior official
who spoke on the condition that he not be identified.
The technical team's findings had no apparent impact on the
intelligence agencies' public statements on the trailers. A day
after the team's report was transmitted to Washington -- May 28,
2003 -- the CIA publicly released its first formal assessment of
the trailers, reflecting the views of its Washington analysts.
That white paper, which also bore the DIA seal, contended that
U.S. officials were "confident" that the trailers were used for
"mobile biological weapons production."
What this boils down to is that when the president and his administration
made the statement that these trailers were evidence of WMD (May 2003), this
particular report was one of three and presented a minority view, a view
that was "hotly debated". Further, the CIA's formal assessment released the
day prior to Bush's comments concluded that this particular report was wrong
(or perhaps more accurately, that the other reports were correct). While it
can be argued in hindsight that the report in question was indeed correct,
that was not the view of most investigators at the time.
The president and his staff were told by several research teams that the
trailers were mobile bio-labs. The CIA issued a report, which the DIA
supported, that the also concluded the trailers were mobile bio-labs.
Included in this assessment was one report that stated they weren't. The
administration naturally chose the majority conclusion which his
intelligence people had validated (a decision bolstered by the fact this
conformed with their own beliefs).
Bottom line: President Bush didn't lie; at least, not about this.
Ralf
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13 Apr 2006 11:11:21 AM |
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_AnonCoward <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
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: WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
: President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
: destruction had been found in Iraq.
:
: The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
: determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
: biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
: Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
Old news, and not nearly as damning as it may first appear.
After all, this is hardly the first example of Bush being caught
lying. Almost everything he said to justify invading Iraq was a
bald-faced lie.
Here is the link
to an on-line version of this article (I don't recall if the site needs a
registration, but if it does, it should be free):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101888.html?nav=rss_world
What this article also states, in paragraph 12 (the last paragraph displayed
on the first page), is the following:
Here's the paragraph you "overlooked".
The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months
afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision
to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials
possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.
[...]
What this boils down to is that when the president and his administration
made the statement that these trailers were evidence of WMD (May 2003), this
particular report was one of three and presented a minority view, a view
that was "hotly debated". Further, the CIA's formal assessment released the
Bush and his administration lied. Repeatedly.
The cost of their lies is about $1,000,000,000,000 and tens of
thousands of innocent people dead.
Stop making excuses.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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13 Apr 2006 11:13:15 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
news:443e7829$0$1587$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
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: _AnonCoward <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> wrote:
: >
: >"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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: >: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
: >:
: >: WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
: >: President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
: >: destruction had been found in Iraq.
: >:
: >: The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
: >: determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
: >: biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
: >: Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
: >
: >Old news, and not nearly as damning as it may first appear.
:
: After all, this is hardly the first example of Bush being caught
: lying. Almost everything he said to justify invading Iraq was a
: bald-faced lie.
:
: > Here is the link
: >to an on-line version of this article (I don't recall if the site needs a
: >registration, but if it does, it should be free):
: >
: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
: >dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101888.html?nav=rss_world
: >
: >What this article also states, in paragraph 12 (the last paragraph
: >displayed on the first page), is the following:
:
: Here's the paragraph you "overlooked".
:
: The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months
: afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision
: to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials
: possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.
:
: [...]
: >What this boils down to is that when the president and his administration
: >made the statement that these trailers were evidence of WMD (May 2003),
: >this particular report was one of three and presented a minority view, a
: >view that was "hotly debated". Further, the CIA's formal assessment
: >released the
:
: Bush and his administration lied. Repeatedly.
:
: The cost of their lies is about $1,000,000,000,000 and tens of
: thousands of innocent people dead.
:
: Stop making excuses.
:
: --
: Ray Fischer
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First, I did not "overlook" anything. In fact I was careful to locate and
provide a link to the original source material so that anyone reading my
comments could check for themselves. There was nothing duplicitous or
misleading about my comments.
Second, you're misrepresenting the context of the quote you supplied. The
article stated in the first two paragraphs (which included the one you used)
it's main premise: that Bush's remarks about having found evidence of WMD in
the form of bio-labs was undermined by "powerful evidence it was not true".
The article then attempts to develop that thesis by describing a report "not
made public until now" that supposedly shows the administration knew the
claim was unfounded.
However, a full reading of the article undermines its own thesis. It turns
out that this "powerful" evidence was a report by one of the three teams
sent to Iraq to investigate what where believed to be bio-labs. One of those
teams said no they weren't, the other two said yes, they were. Both the CIA
and the DIA debated the issue and sided with the majority view. In the
report released on 28 May, 2003, they stated:
We continue to examine the trailer found in mid-April
and are using advanced sample analysis techniques to
determine whether BW agent is present, although we do
not expect samples to show the presence of BW agent.
We suspect that the Iraqis thoroughly decontaminated
the vehicle to remove evidence of BW agent production.
Despite the lack of confirmatory samples, we nevertheless
are confident that this trailer is a mobile BW production
plant because of the source’s description, equipment,
and design.
(http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraqi_mobile_plants/paper_w.pdf)
Elsewhere in the report, they lay out the case for why they felt this was
the most likely explanation and why they rejected what they called the
"Hydrogen Production Cover Story". When Bush made his comments the next day,
he was repeating what his intelligence experts were telling him. That does
not constitute a lie.
Thirdly, the claim that this report is only now being made public is
misleading. While it may have only recently been *officially* released, it
was known and reported on prior to the recent Washington Post story. The
article gives the false impression that this information is only now being
found out. As it happens, however, this dissenting view was reported as
early as June 7, 2003 by the New York Times
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0607-02.htm).
Nor, evidently, did this team agree unanimously on their conclusion as the
Washington Post asserts. The Times reported at the time that
In all, at least three teams of Western experts have now
examined the trailers and evidence from them. While the
first two groups to see the trailers were largely convinced
that the vehicles were intended for the purpose of making
germ agents, the third group of more senior analysts divided
sharply over the function of the trailers, with several members
expressing strong skepticism, some of the dissenters said.
I have no idea if the team ultimately reached a unanimous conclusion at a
later time, but when Bush made his statements, they had not.
It is simply and factually the case that Bush's comments were based on
faulty intelligence information provided to him by the intelligence
community. There is no rational reason to expect Bush to have ignored what
his intelligence experts were telling him in favor of a minority report in
which the members of the team were themselves in disagreement.
This does not constitute a lie on Bush's part.
Ralf
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they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless
struggle to think well of themselves."
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13 Apr 2006 02:54:15 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
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| User: "XTS" |
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13 Apr 2006 03:48:14 AM |
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"Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com> wrote in message
news:Hsn%f.8172$P01.3954@pd7tw3no...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S.
court
last week.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack
Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
"Anyone who calls bush..." Thats all you guys get to say anymore. How about
doing some of that good old November 2004 celebrating. Tell us how bush and
his legendary majority are going to spend their political capitol. I love
those stories.
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| User: "Dysperdis" |
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13 Apr 2006 03:29:39 AM |
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"Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com> wrote in message
news:Hsn%f.8172$P01.3954@pd7tw3no...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S.
court
last week.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack
Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
You right wing facists are the blind ones. Can't you see that your beloved
Bush attacked the wrong country under the pretenses of rooting out the
terrorists, while letting Bin Laden escape?
So, why hasn't the US caught Osama yet? I'm sure that one old man living in
a cave shouldn't be too hard to find.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a
person or an organized group against people or property with the intention
of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological
or political reasons.
The only reason why Bush cannot be considered a terrorist is because he, as
the head of the world's largest superpower, has deemed the attacks lawful.
GTFO of Canada, you're polluting my beloved democratic socialist country
with your *****.
--
Why don't all of you pseudochristians try *reading* the bible, instead of
just throwing it at the rest of us? Personally, I find Matthew 7:1-3, Romans
14:4, I Timothy 5:13, John 8:2-11 and Romans 13:8-10 to be interesting.
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion"-Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11, signed
into law by John Adams
t(^_^t)
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13 Apr 2006 05:19:07 AM |
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In News Hsn%f.8172$P01.3954@pd7tw3no,, Info at info@paralegal-advocate.com,
typed this:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of
experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used
to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its
findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just
the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon
that murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into
the World Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM
in a U.S. court last week.
Soo... The commercial airliners were found in Iraq?
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather
attack Bush and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the
terrorists.
What does the airliners used in 9/11 have to do with Saddam? What does the
terrorists have to do with Saddam? You do know that two congressional
investigations have concluded that Saddam and Al Quaeda had no connections,
right?
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
What are you babbling about?
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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13 Apr 2006 05:58:17 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:07 GMT, "Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD>
wrote:
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather
attack Bush and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the
terrorists.
What does the airliners used in 9/11 have to do with Saddam? What does the
terrorists have to do with Saddam?
They trained under saddam.
You do know that two congressional
investigations have concluded that Saddam and Al Quaeda had no connections,
right?
They also said that President Bush didn't lie about the wmd's. You do know
that, don't you.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
What are you babbling about?
Unamerican people like you.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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13 Apr 2006 06:03:28 PM |
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In News splt32pu3d7db3mlg71cqff7t0nk72hk0i@4ax.com,, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net, typed this:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:07 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather
attack Bush and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the
terrorists.
What does the airliners used in 9/11 have to do with Saddam? What
does the terrorists have to do with Saddam?
They trained under saddam.
*****. Two congressional investigation committees, largely republicans,
have shown absolutely ZERO ties with the terrorists responsible for 9/11 and
Saddam.
You're a liar, just like your hero Bush.
You do know that two congressional
investigations have concluded that Saddam and Al Quaeda had no
connections, right?
They also said that President Bush didn't lie about the wmd's.
No, they did not. They made zero reference to Bush's honesty.
You
do know that, don't you.
Because it isn't true, liar. Unlike you, I took the time to read the
results of the committees.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
What are you babbling about?
Unamerican people like you.
You're a lying coward, just like your hero Bush.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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13 Apr 2006 08:56:32 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:07 GMT, "Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD>
wrote:
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather
attack Bush and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the
terrorists.
What does the airliners used in 9/11 have to do with Saddam? What does the
terrorists have to do with Saddam?
They trained under saddam.
You do know that two congressional
investigations have concluded that Saddam and Al Quaeda had no connections,
right?
They also said that President Bush didn't lie about the wmd's. You do know
that, don't you.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
What are you babbling about?
Unamerican people like you.
Oh, come on, puke. If you think Bush is interested in America, you're
just blind. He gets caught again and again lying to us about the
purpose of his war. Then Katrina happens, and what does he do? Not a
GOD DAMNED THING until it looks to his advisers like he should have done
something. Bush is interested in one thing and one thing only.
Financial gain for himself and his oil cronies.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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13 Apr 2006 07:44:26 AM |
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Info wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
Interesting. So, which WMD was found in Iraq?
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Interesting. Which liberal supports Saddam and the terrorists? Please
provide the necessary quotes from that liberal that brought you to this
assumption.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
We can go round and round with that. "Anyone who calls anyone who calls
Bush a terrorist is in face a supporter of true terrorists!" But where
will that get us?
No, please calm down and try to be rational about this. Liberals no
more support terrorism than conservatives.
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| User: "raven1" |
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13 Apr 2006 09:54:43 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:54:15 GMT, "Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, which even Bush admits. WTF is
your point?
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
If Bush gave a ***** about the "true terrorists", Osama Bin Laden would
be on trial now instead of Saddam Hussein.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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16 Apr 2006 04:27:11 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:54:43 -0400, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:54:15 GMT, "Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, which even Bush admits. WTF is
your point?
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
If Bush gave a ***** about the "true terrorists", Osama Bin Laden would
be on trial now instead of Saddam Hussein.
As well as Shrub, Chainey, the 'Cabinet,' and much of the CONgress.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Slate" |
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13 Apr 2006 09:46:36 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:54:15 GMT, "Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
Bush himself is a WMD. He is personally responsible for tens of
thousands of Iraqi civilians that are now dead, not to mention
well over two thousand Americans and hundreds of others.
Their blood is on his hands.
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
It is the right and obligation of all Americans to protest the powers
in government when they feel a wrong has been committed.
It has nothing to do with "support for Saddam and the terrorists".
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
I've called Bush many things. Moron, incompetent, fundy, ignorant,
etc., etc. I've never called him a terrorist though. Bush's decisions
effect ALL of us. His policies are dictated by his bible and his god.
That type of narrow minded philosophy is dangerous when a man
is the President of the U.S.
Remember, this is the very same administration that considers
flipping hamburgers onto a bun as a "manufacturing job". Heh.
He did give Texas "Jesus day" when he was governor though.
Slate
The shepherd (Bush) always tries to persuade the sheep (the people)
that their interests and his own are the same. Bush lies like a rug.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
13 Apr 2006 09:26:08 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:54:15 GMT, "Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) = any type of weapon that
murders enmass.....i.e. commercial aircraft that slammed into the World
Trade Centre.........the commercial jets were defined a WDM in a U.S. court
last week.
Leave it up to to lying NeoCunt like you to move the goalpost. We
weren't invading Iraq on their collection of 747's
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
So says the little Canadian ***** cowars who's too ***** to sign on
for Iraq.
Anyone who calls Bush a terrorist is in fact a supporter of the true
terrorists!
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2364 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:56:21 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:54:15 GMT, "Info" <info@paralegal-advocate.com> wrote:
You left wing socialist liberals are so blind! You would rather attack Bush
and the U.S. and show your support for Saddam and the terrorists.
Now that's for sure. Yang is a good example.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
13 Apr 2006 04:42:27 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <443de6b1$0$1600$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
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| User: "22VRWC" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
13 Apr 2006 04:27:52 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
But were those questions posed by people who actually know the
definition of the verb "to lie"? Clearly, YOU are not one of those
people.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
So, what is your evidence that Bush "lied"? What you vomited up above
is so far from "evidence" that it begs the question: do YOU know the
definition of the verb "to lie". Are you claiming that the "two small
trailers" were the only evidence of Saddam's know desire for and
proven use of WMDs?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
13 Apr 2006 05:50:20 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
Yet that's not a lie.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
How did they "determine" that? Could they have been wrong?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
13 Apr 2006 05:50:40 PM |
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In News cblt32luj8po6r35s0af2c0qnlcovtgml7@4ax.com,, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net, typed this:
On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
Yet that's not a lie.
That's a lie.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of
experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used
to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its
findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just
the opposite.
How did they "determine" that? Could they have been wrong?
Apparently not, since nobody that has ever studied those trailors has ever
come to the conclusion that they were fore the production or storage of
WMD's.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Mother Frangelica Live" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
14 Apr 2006 08:11:06 AM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News cblt32luj8po6r35s0af2c0qnlcovtgml7@4ax.com,, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net, typed this:
On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
Yet that's not a lie.
That's a lie.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of
experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used
to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its
findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just
the opposite.
How did they "determine" that? Could they have been wrong?
Apparently not, since nobody that has ever studied those trailors has ever
come to the conclusion that they were fore the production or storage of
WMD's.
Bush apparently thought that "U-Haul" on the side of the trailers meant that
they were for carrying Uranium.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
14 Apr 2006 08:38:17 AM |
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In News 443F9F68.B81BC792@diseasedblood.com,, Mother Frangelica Live at
CoulterCounter@diseasedblood.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News cblt32luj8po6r35s0af2c0qnlcovtgml7@4ax.com,, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net, typed this:
On 13 Apr 2006 05:50:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
Yet that's not a lie.
That's a lie.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of
experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not
used to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent
its findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared
just the opposite.
How did they "determine" that? Could they have been wrong?
Apparently not, since nobody that has ever studied those trailors
has ever come to the conclusion that they were fore the production
or storage of WMD's.
Bush apparently thought that "U-Haul" on the side of the trailers
meant that they were for carrying Uranium.
LOL! Yeah, it makes it hard for him to think with Cheney's hand up his *****
all the time.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "five hits of blotter acid" |
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| Title: Re: Bush caught in yet another lie |
14 Apr 2006 05:06:05 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
WASHINGTON - The White House faced new questions Wednesday about
President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass
destruction had been found in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts
determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make
biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to
Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.
Is this the right quote?
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"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological
laboratories, they're illegal. They're against the United
Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll
find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we
haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons,
they're wrong, we found them."
-- George W. Bush; Polish Television, May 31, 2003 (regarding
trailers bought from Britain to inflate hydrogen balloons)
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