Science > Abortion > Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists
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"Bill Case" |
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17 Aug 2004 10:28:46 AM |
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Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
Wherever you are politically, just remember that whatever these assholes can
do to others today, they can do to you tomorrow. And whatever they get away
with today, they will increase tomorrow.
Interrogating the Protesters NY Times: August 17, 2004
For several weeks, starting before the Democratic convention, F.B.I.
officers have been questioning potential political demonstrators, and their
friends and families, about their plans to protest at the two national
conventions. These heavy-handed inquiries are intimidating, and they
threaten to chill freedom of expression. They also appear to be a
spectacularly poor use of limited law-enforcement resources. The F.B.I.
should redirect its efforts to focus more directly on real threats.
Six investigators recently descended on Sarah Bardwell, a 21-year-old intern
with a Denver antiwar group, who quite reasonably took away the message that
the government was watching her closely. In Missouri, three men in their
early 20's said they had been followed by federal investigators for days,
then subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury. They ended up canceling their
plans to show up for the Democratic and Republican conventions.
The F.B.I. is going forward with the blessing of the Justice Department's
Office of Legal Counsel - the same outfit that recently approved the use of
torture against terrorism suspects. In the Justice Department's opinion, the
chilling effect of the investigations is "quite minimal," and "substantially
outweighed by the public interest in maintaining safety and order." But this
analysis gets the balance wrong. When protesters are made to feel like
criminal suspects, the chilling effect is potentially quite serious. And the
chances of gaining any information that would be useful in stopping violence
are quite small.
The knock on the door from government investigators asking about political
activities is the stuff of totalitarian regimes. It is intimidating to be
visited by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, particularly by investigator
s who warn that withholding information about anyone with plans to create a
disruption is a crime.
And few people would want the F.B.I. to cross-examine their friends and
family about them. If engaging in constitutionally protected speech means
subjecting yourself to this kind of government monitoring, many Americans
may decide - as the men from Missouri did - that the cost is too high.
Meanwhile, history suggests that the way to find out what potentially
violent protesters are planning is not to send F.B.I. officers bearing
questionnaires to the doorsteps of potential demonstrators. As became clear
in the 1960's, F.B.I. monitoring of youthful dissenters is notoriously
unreliable. The files that were created in the past often proved to be
laughably inaccurate.
The F.B.I.'s questioning of protesters is part of a larger campaign against
political dissent that has increased sharply since the start of the war on
terror.
At the Democratic convention, protesters were sent to a depressing
barbed-wire camp under the subway tracks. And at a recent Bush-Cheney
campaign event, audience members were required to sign a pledge to support
President Bush before they were admitted.
F.B.I. officials insist that the people they interview are free to "close
the door in our faces," but by then the damage may already have been done.
The government must not be allowed to turn a war against foreign enemies
into a campaign against critics at home.
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17 Aug 2004 01:24:23 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
Wherever you are politically, just remember that whatever these assholes
can
do to others today, they can do to you tomorrow. And whatever they get
away
with today, they will increase tomorrow.
Interrogating the Protesters NY Times: August 17, 2004
For several weeks, starting before the Democratic convention, F.B.I.
officers have been questioning potential political demonstrators, and
their
friends and families, about their plans to protest at the two national
conventions. These heavy-handed inquiries are intimidating, and they
threaten to chill freedom of expression. They also appear to be a
spectacularly poor use of limited law-enforcement resources. The F.B.I.
should redirect its efforts to focus more directly on real threats.
Six investigators recently descended on Sarah Bardwell, a 21-year-old
intern
with a Denver antiwar group, who quite reasonably took away the message
that
the government was watching her closely. In Missouri, three men in their
early 20's said they had been followed by federal investigators for days,
then subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury. They ended up canceling
their
plans to show up for the Democratic and Republican conventions.
The F.B.I. is going forward with the blessing of the Justice Department's
Office of Legal Counsel - the same outfit that recently approved the use
of
torture against terrorism suspects. In the Justice Department's opinion,
the
chilling effect of the investigations is "quite minimal," and
"substantially
outweighed by the public interest in maintaining safety and order." But
this
analysis gets the balance wrong. When protesters are made to feel like
criminal suspects, the chilling effect is potentially quite serious. And
the
chances of gaining any information that would be useful in stopping
violence
are quite small.
The knock on the door from government investigators asking about political
activities is the stuff of totalitarian regimes. It is intimidating to be
visited by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, particularly by
investigator
s who warn that withholding information about anyone with plans to create
a
disruption is a crime.
And few people would want the F.B.I. to cross-examine their friends and
family about them. If engaging in constitutionally protected speech means
subjecting yourself to this kind of government monitoring, many Americans
may decide - as the men from Missouri did - that the cost is too high.
Meanwhile, history suggests that the way to find out what potentially
violent protesters are planning is not to send F.B.I. officers bearing
questionnaires to the doorsteps of potential demonstrators. As became
clear
in the 1960's, F.B.I. monitoring of youthful dissenters is notoriously
unreliable. The files that were created in the past often proved to be
laughably inaccurate.
The F.B.I.'s questioning of protesters is part of a larger campaign
against
political dissent that has increased sharply since the start of the war on
terror.
At the Democratic convention, protesters were sent to a depressing
barbed-wire camp under the subway tracks. And at a recent Bush-Cheney
campaign event, audience members were required to sign a pledge to support
President Bush before they were admitted.
F.B.I. officials insist that the people they interview are free to "close
the door in our faces," but by then the damage may already have been done.
The government must not be allowed to turn a war against foreign enemies
into a campaign against critics at home.
......and if the administration didn't take precautions and chaos ensued you
would be the very first to point it out and criticize it for failure so as
to lever your guy into office. You can blame yourselves for the
no-fault-allowed CYA precautions being undertaken. -the Troll
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17 Aug 2004 01:29:27 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
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.....and if the administration didn't take precautions and chaos ensued
you
would be the very first to point it out and criticize it for failure so as
to lever your guy into office. You can blame yourselves for the
no-fault-allowed CYA precautions being undertaken. -the Troll
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it" response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining irresponsible
hacks.
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| User: "hippo" |
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17 Aug 2004 01:42:04 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
.....and if the administration didn't take precautions and chaos ensued
you
would be the very first to point it out and criticize it for failure so
as
to lever your guy into office. You can blame yourselves for the
no-fault-allowed CYA precautions being undertaken. -the Troll
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it" response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining
irresponsible
hacks.
Soooo your people wouldn't take advantage of chaos at the Republican
Convention? Crap! -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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17 Aug 2004 02:26:11 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:oaWdnfiDUMKtzL_cRVn-vw@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
.....and if the administration didn't take precautions and chaos
ensued
you
would be the very first to point it out and criticize it for failure
so
as
to lever your guy into office. You can blame yourselves for the
no-fault-allowed CYA precautions being undertaken. -the Troll
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it" response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining
irresponsible
hacks.
Soooo your people wouldn't take advantage of chaos at the Republican
Convention? Crap! -the Troll
Chaos? Tell us what this kind of intimidation crap by the FBI has to do w/
stopping chaos at this convention or anywhere else.
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
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| User: "hippo" |
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17 Aug 2004 05:33:01 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it" response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining
irresponsible
hacks.
Soooo your people wouldn't take advantage of chaos at the Republican
Convention? Crap! -the Troll
Chaos? Tell us what this kind of intimidation crap by the FBI has to do w/
stopping chaos at this convention or anywhere else.
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
Hey Vladimir, don't play stupid. It is on page 45 of the little red book of
running ***** on capitalists: Cause a riot and make the evil capitalists
react so as to be able to scream jack boot Fascist tactics. Then accuse the
administration of screwing up security (just like 9/11 and Chicago). We've
got your number 'cause we have a copy of the book. Little Red Mary Moffat,
anti-war-protester, now knows the FBI has her number, her personal number.
It's an old artillery principle, load your guns before the battle (or the
election in this case). Drench your hankie somewhere inhabited with fools
who can be taken in. :^) -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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17 Aug 2004 06:03:45 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:j56dnfptjqXSGr_cRVn-jw@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it"
response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining
irresponsible
hacks.
Soooo your people wouldn't take advantage of chaos at the Republican
Convention? Crap! -the Troll
Chaos? Tell us what this kind of intimidation crap by the FBI has to do
w/
stopping chaos at this convention or anywhere else.
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
Hey Vladimir, don't play stupid. It is on page 45 of the little red book
of
running ***** on capitalists:
Oh ***** you stupid ***** chckenshit.
Ashcroft arrested and detained something like 5000 US Muslims / Midde East
people following 9/11. A lot of them had their rights violated and some were
badly mistreated, as it turned out for doing nothing.
Of those 5000, pratically none of them were ever charged much less convsited
of anything having to do with security matters.
Cause a riot and make the evil capitalists react so as to be able to
scream jack boot Fascist
These are US citizens opposed to war and the way the administration has
conducted itself - they have a goddmn right make themselves heard you
balless un-American piece of yellow *****.
Then accuse the
administration of screwing up security (just like 9/11 and Chicago). We've
got your number 'cause we have a copy of the book. Little Red Mary Moffat,
anti-war-protester, now knows the FBI has her number, her personal number.
It's an old artillery principle, load your guns before the battle (or the
election in this case). Drench your hankie somewhere inhabited with fools
who can be taken in. :
You whining balless piece of *****. A typical yellow chickenhawk who tries
to make himself look manly by stepping on people he thinks can't retaliate.
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
^) -the Troll
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| User: "hippo" |
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17 Aug 2004 06:41:14 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
Hey Vladimir, don't play stupid. It is on page 45 of the little red book
of
running ***** on capitalists:
Oh ***** you stupid ***** chckenshit.
Ashcroft arrested and detained something like 5000 US Muslims / Midde East
people following 9/11. A lot of them had their rights violated and some
were
badly mistreated, as it turned out for doing nothing.
Of those 5000, pratically none of them were ever charged much less
convsited
of anything having to do with security matters.
Cause a riot and make the evil capitalists react so as to be able to
scream jack boot Fascist
These are US citizens opposed to war and the way the administration has
conducted itself - they have a goddmn right make themselves heard you
balless un-American piece of yellow *****.
Then accuse the
administration of screwing up security (just like 9/11 and Chicago).
We've
got your number 'cause we have a copy of the book. Little Red Mary
Moffat,
anti-war-protester, now knows the FBI has her number, her personal
number.
It's an old artillery principle, load your guns before the battle (or
the
election in this case). Drench your hankie somewhere inhabited with
fools
who can be taken in. :
You whining balless piece of *****. A typical yellow chickenhawk who tries
to make himself look manly by stepping on people he thinks can't
retaliate.
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me in
traction. :^) -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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17 Aug 2004 07:00:50 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:FcudnYqHOvLQCr_cRVn-hg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
Hey Vladimir, don't play stupid. It is on page 45 of the little red
book
of
running ***** on capitalists:
Oh ***** you stupid ***** chckenshit.
Ashcroft arrested and detained something like 5000 US Muslims / Midde
East
people following 9/11. A lot of them had their rights violated and some
were
badly mistreated, as it turned out for doing nothing.
Of those 5000, pratically none of them were ever charged much less
convsited
of anything having to do with security matters.
Cause a riot and make the evil capitalists react so as to be able to
scream jack boot Fascist
These are US citizens opposed to war and the way the administration has
conducted itself - they have a goddmn right make themselves heard you
balless un-American piece of yellow *****.
Then accuse the
administration of screwing up security (just like 9/11 and Chicago).
We've
got your number 'cause we have a copy of the book. Little Red Mary
Moffat,
anti-war-protester, now knows the FBI has her number, her personal
number.
It's an old artillery principle, load your guns before the battle (or
the
election in this case). Drench your hankie somewhere inhabited with
fools
who can be taken in. :
You whining balless piece of *****. A typical yellow chickenhawk who
tries
to make himself look manly by stepping on people he thinks can't
retaliate.
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me in
traction. :^) -the Troll
For people reading this, this the type of person you line up with when you
support Bush.
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| User: "hippo" |
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18 Aug 2004 07:48:44 AM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me in
traction. :^) -the Troll
For people reading this, this the type of person you line up with when you
support Bush.
Giggle, someone who guns down the pink panty wearing Kerry supporters on
Usenet? My pleasure. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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18 Aug 2004 08:54:26 AM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me in
traction. :^) -the Troll
For people reading this, this the type of person you line up with when
you
support Bush.
Giggle,
Giggle???? Quite the swish....
someone who guns down the pink panty wearing Kerry supporters on
Usenet? My pleasure. -the Troll
The yellow faggots are the ones supporting the war shirker Bush, not the
ones supporting a war hero. You couldn't "gun down" anything you little
sissy.
Now, go clean up your pink panties punk.
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| User: "hippo" |
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18 Aug 2004 09:17:52 AM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me in
traction. :^) -the Troll
For people reading this, this the type of person you line up with when
you
support Bush.
Giggle,
Giggle???? Quite the swish....
someone who guns down the pink panty wearing Kerry supporters on
Usenet? My pleasure. -the Troll
The yellow faggots are the ones supporting the war shirker Bush, not the
ones supporting a war hero. You couldn't "gun down" anything you little
sissy.
Now, go clean up your pink panties punk.
Watch it with disparaging remarks about the rainbow coalition if you want a
kiss from Kerry. They are big time Kerry supporters. I wouldn't want you
shooting yourself in the keester. You won't be attractive enough at Democrat
freek-show rallies. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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18 Aug 2004 09:46:33 AM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:ZLednQRWO_ia-L7cRVn-qA@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
***** you punk - and there's a lot more where that came from pal.
Oh dear, Vladimir is in a snit. What a vocabulary too. It has me
in
traction. :^) -the Troll
For people reading this, this the type of person you line up with
when
you
support Bush.
Giggle,
Giggle???? Quite the swish....
someone who guns down the pink panty wearing Kerry supporters on
Usenet? My pleasure. -the Troll
The yellow faggots are the ones supporting the war shirker Bush, not the
ones supporting a war hero. You couldn't "gun down" anything you little
sissy.
Now, go clean up your pink panties punk.
Watch it with disparaging remarks about the rainbow coalition if you want
a
kiss from Kerry. They are big time Kerry supporters. I wouldn't want you
shooting yourself in the keester. You won't be attractive enough at
Democrat
freek-show rallies. -the Troll
So you cleaned up your panties?
Listen Log Cabin boy, people always associate wimps and fags with people
that dodged war service.
That puts you Bushies in the woos arena a lot more than Kerry people.
Even Bush's wife denigrates him as a "windshield cowboy" - he won't ride
horses. Rumors are that the National Guard no-show is afraid of horses - a
sure sign of woos-hood. Even the French like horse-back riding.
That correlates with the rabbit in the headlights thing on 9/11 when he was
informed of the second hit on the WTC.
And then hiding that day when a real leader would have been right out front.
Churchill? Noooooo I don't think so..
Remember Nixon slipping away from security at night and going out to talk to
protestors at the Lincoln Memorial?
Bush the woos.....but hey, you keep trying to run your feeble barbs.
Oh, before I close..... Bush quote regarding evading Vietnam war service:
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in
order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to
better myself by learning how to fly airplanes," Bush told an interviewer in
Houston. "
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| User: "hippo" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:23:12 AM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Watch it with disparaging remarks about the rainbow coalition if you
want
a
kiss from Kerry. They are big time Kerry supporters. I wouldn't want you
shooting yourself in the keester. You won't be attractive enough at
Democrat
freek-show rallies. -the Troll
So you cleaned up your panties?
Listen Log Cabin boy, people always associate wimps and fags with people
that dodged war service.
That puts you Bushies in the woos arena a lot more than Kerry people.
Even Bush's wife denigrates him as a "windshield cowboy" - he won't ride
horses. Rumors are that the National Guard no-show is afraid of horses - a
sure sign of woos-hood. Even the French like horse-back riding.
Ranching these days is done with trucks, not horses. They use horses on dude
ranches which is not what Bush is running. Horses on ranches would be
nothing but an affectation (that means phony) as anyone in the business
would know. If he did use them you would be calling him a movie cowboy and
image understudy for Reagan. You can't do that which pisses you off.
That correlates with the rabbit in the headlights thing on 9/11 when he
was
informed of the second hit on the WTC.
And then hiding that day when a real leader would have been right out
front.
Churchill? Noooooo I don't think so..
Remember Nixon slipping away from security at night and going out to talk
to
protestors at the Lincoln Memorial?
Bush the woos.....but hey, you keep trying to run your feeble barbs.
Oh, before I close..... Bush quote regarding evading Vietnam war service:
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in
order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to
better myself by learning how to fly airplanes," Bush told an interviewer
in
Houston. "
Are you telling the world that jet fighter pilots are wooses? I suppose you
pussies have written them off anyway. I'd rather be a doggie in recon
myself. I have an aversion to trusting in machinery at mach 2 for my life.
The rest of the Dem's claims are nothing but lies as anyone familiar with
the ANG knows perfectly well and have said so in public. You may be able to
fool some in the general public but you can't me or an Air Guardsman. If you
can't see Bush's statement was self depreciating humor you need a lot more
schoolin'. Unlike Kerry the Prez does have a sense of humor. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:35:33 AM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:V9CdnfLzHd77H77cRVn-gA@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Watch it with disparaging remarks about the rainbow coalition if you
want
a
kiss from Kerry. They are big time Kerry supporters. I wouldn't want
you
shooting yourself in the keester. You won't be attractive enough at
Democrat
freek-show rallies. -the Troll
So you cleaned up your panties?
Listen Log Cabin boy, people always associate wimps and fags with people
that dodged war service.
That puts you Bushies in the woos arena a lot more than Kerry people.
Even Bush's wife denigrates him as a "windshield cowboy" - he won't ride
horses. Rumors are that the National Guard no-show is afraid of horses -
a
sure sign of woos-hood. Even the French like horse-back riding.
Ranching these days is done with trucks, not horses. They use horses on
dude
ranches which is not what Bush is running. Horses on ranches would be
nothing but an affectation (that means phony) as anyone in the business
would know. If he did use them you would be calling him a movie cowboy and
image understudy for Reagan. You can't do that which pisses you off.
That correlates with the rabbit in the headlights thing on 9/11 when he
was
informed of the second hit on the WTC.
And then hiding that day when a real leader would have been right out
front.
Churchill? Noooooo I don't think so..
Remember Nixon slipping away from security at night and going out to
talk
to
protestors at the Lincoln Memorial?
Bush the woos.....but hey, you keep trying to run your feeble barbs.
Oh, before I close..... Bush quote regarding evading Vietnam war
service:
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in
order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose
to
better myself by learning how to fly airplanes," Bush told an
interviewer
in
Houston. "
Are you telling the world that jet fighter pilots are wooses? I suppose
you
pussies have written them off anyway.
I'm no *****. I "showed up" for everything the military threw at me.
You are a *****, a sissy boy, and so is your woos Bush.
Bush went into the Natl Guard to evade the VN war.
Then Bush was AWOL for military meetings.
Then Bush let his flight status drop by not showing up for a yearly flight
physical, at a time when real pilots were getting killed flying missions in
SE Asia.
You have to be a ***** to want Bush to be President. MEN support a man like
Kerry.
You're not very good at this are you - *****?
I'd rather be a doggie in recon
myself. I have an aversion to trusting in machinery at mach 2 for my life.
The rest of the Dem's claims are nothing but lies as anyone familiar with
the ANG knows perfectly well and have said so in public. You may be able
to
fool some in the general public but you can't me or an Air Guardsman. If
you
can't see Bush's statement was self depreciating humor you need a lot more
schoolin'. Unlike Kerry the Prez does have a sense of humor. -the Troll
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18 Aug 2004 12:27:21 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Are you telling the world that jet fighter pilots are wooses? I suppose
you
pussies have written them off anyway.
I'm no *****. I "showed up" for everything the military threw at me.
We were regulars, the Guard doesn't work that way after initial training
whch for Bush must have been a full year.
You are a *****, a sissy boy, and so is your woos Bush.
Bush went into the Natl Guard to evade the VN war.
Then Bush was AWOL for military meetings.
Then Bush let his flight status drop by not showing up for a yearly flight
physical, at a time when real pilots were getting killed flying missions
in
SE Asia.
You have to be a ***** to want Bush to be President. MEN support a man
like
Kerry.
You're not very good at this are you - *****?
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common practice to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did. Most ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the schedules work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking about which
you clearly don't.
I'd rather be a doggie in recon
myself. I have an aversion to trusting in machinery at mach 2 for my
life.
The rest of the Dem's claims are nothing but lies as anyone familiar
with
the ANG knows perfectly well and have said so in public. You may be able
to
fool some in the general public but you can't me or an Air Guardsman. If
you
can't see Bush's statement was self depreciating humor you need a lot
more
schoolin'. Unlike Kerry the Prez does have a sense of humor. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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18 Aug 2004 01:04:27 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:O6GdnVdfbrTyDL7cRVn-vw@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
Are you telling the world that jet fighter pilots are wooses? I
suppose
you
pussies have written them off anyway.
I'm no *****. I "showed up" for everything the military threw at me.
We were regulars, the Guard doesn't work that way after initial training
whch for Bush must have been a full year.
You are a *****, a sissy boy, and so is your woos Bush.
Bush went into the Natl Guard to evade the VN war.
Then Bush was AWOL for military meetings.
Then Bush let his flight status drop by not showing up for a yearly
flight
physical, at a time when real pilots were getting killed flying missions
in
SE Asia.
You have to be a ***** to want Bush to be President. MEN support a man
like
Kerry.
You're not very good at this are you - *****?
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did. Most ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an honest
reply.
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| User: "hippo" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:14:48 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did. Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:46:50 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:6tKdnZS0KNsmW77cRVn-sg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did. Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get destroyed a few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of meetings
peopel say he missed.
here's a link showing Bush's bio compared to Kerry's
http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 07:51:56 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7QUc.6289$3O3.5064@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:6tKdnZS0KNsmW77cRVn-sg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
(Below claims have been sufficiently dispelled as nothing but anti-Bush
propaganda.)
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get destroyed a
few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of
meetings
peopel say he missed.
here's a link showing Bush's bio compared to Kerry's
http://www.independent-media.t.v/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc
=Under%20Reported
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 08:57:31 PM |
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"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MQSUc.2173$2L3.801@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7QUc.6289$3O3.5064@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:6tKdnZS0KNsmW77cRVn-sg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
(Below claims have been sufficiently dispelled as nothing but anti-Bush
propaganda.)
Hahahahahahah.
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| User: "hippo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 06:34:55 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get destroyed a
few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of
meetings
peopel say he missed.
Ah the product of selective reading. The records were found, there was an
officer in his second unit that did remember him making up his drills, ANG
pilots often go non-current and have to take a check flight The 'meetings'
are called drills FYI. You're behind the intel. curve, big mouth. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 07:04:17 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:W9OdnXP8wPcNer7cRVn-jg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get destroyed a
few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of
meetings
peopel say he missed.
Ah the product of selective reading. The records were found, there was an
officer in his second unit that did remember him making up his drills, ANG
pilots often go non-current and have to take a check flight The 'meetings'
are called drills FYI. You're behind the intel. curve, big mouth. -the
Troll
Nah, big mouth you're always behind the curve..
Sources? Let's see credble sources on this.
And is his letting his flight status lapse a matter of selectivity too?
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 07:55:05 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58SUc.27218$9Y6.14984@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:W9OdnXP8wPcNer7cRVn-jg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth
on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get destroyed
a
few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of
meetings
peopel say he missed.
Ah the product of selective reading. The records were found, there was
an
officer in his second unit that did remember him making up his drills,
ANG
pilots often go non-current and have to take a check flight The
'meetings'
are called drills FYI. You're behind the intel. curve, big mouth. -the
Troll
Nah, big mouth you're always behind the curve..
One thing for sure, No one is required to stay current unless assigned to a
specific squadron
and flight or is required to fly regularly. Bush's F102s were grounded and
so he was exempt
from staying current, even his physical.
Sources? Let's see credble sources on this.
And is his letting his flight status lapse a matter of selectivity too?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 08:56:20 PM |
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"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JTSUc.2177$2L3.1710@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58SUc.27218$9Y6.14984@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:W9OdnXP8wPcNer7cRVn-jg@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
I try to avoid expletives if that is what you mean. It's more
challenging
than just dumping excrement on the page. In the ANG it is
common
practice
to
miss drills and perfectly OK if you make them up which Bush
did.
Most
ANG
pilots are also airline pilots and very often can't make the
schedules
work
out. You would know that if you understood what you are
talking
about
which
you clearly don't.
Anybody doing a little research can determine that this is not
an
honest
reply.
Go ahead and show me where big mouth. We have an honorable
discharge
supported by stacks of DD documents on one side and your big mouth
on
the
other. Which is right I don't wonder? -the Troll
Sure big mouth.
He was supposed to attend meetings - he didn't, big mouth.
He was supposed to keep his flight staus up, he didn't.
His reocrods for the period under question mysteriously get
destroyed
a
few
years ago.
Nobody who was in his unit, can remember him, during the period of
meetings
peopel say he missed.
Ah the product of selective reading. The records were found, there was
an
officer in his second unit that did remember him making up his drills,
ANG
pilots often go non-current and have to take a check flight The
'meetings'
are called drills FYI. You're behind the intel. curve, big mouth. -the
Troll
Nah, big mouth you're always behind the curve..
One thing for sure, No one is required to stay current unless assigned to
a
specific squadron
and flight or is required to fly regularly. Bush's F102s were grounded
and
so he was exempt
from staying current, even his physical.
*****.
While US pilots are dying in SE Asia.
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| User: "hippo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 09:44:30 PM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"John Tibbs" wrote in message
One thing for sure, No one is required to stay current unless assigned
to
a
specific squadron
and flight or is required to fly regularly. Bush's F102s were grounded
and
so he was exempt
from staying current, even his physical.
*****.
While US pilots are dying in SE Asia.
The F102 was an air superiority fighter made for WWIII. It didn't have the
slightest air-to-ground capability and so would have been useless in
Vietnam. It's role was for a general war in Europe. You can't play baseball
with a tennis racquet. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
18 Aug 2004 10:14:22 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:pp6dneQiC5tgjrncRVn-jA@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"John Tibbs" wrote in message
One thing for sure, No one is required to stay current unless assigned
to
a
specific squadron
and flight or is required to fly regularly. Bush's F102s were
grounded
and
so he was exempt
from staying current, even his physical.
*****.
While US pilots are dying in SE Asia.
The F102 was an air superiority fighter made for WWIII. It didn't have the
slightest air-to-ground capability and so would have been useless in
Vietnam. It's role was for a general war in Europe. You can't play
baseball
with a tennis racquet. -the Troll
Even if true, they do retrain pilots, particularly in a time of war.
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| User: "hippo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
19 Aug 2004 08:15:42 AM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
The F102 was an air superiority fighter made for WWIII. It didn't have
the
slightest air-to-ground capability and so would have been useless in
Vietnam. It's role was for a general war in Europe. You can't play
baseball
with a tennis racquet. -the Troll
Even if true, they do retrain pilots, particularly in a time of war.
They do but the ANG was not used much in Vietnam and re-training for another
aircraft is expensive and time consuming. Remember too that at the time the
real threat was always thought to be the USSR. Our ground troops, for
example, were primarily trained to fight in N. Europe right through the
Vietnam war, and most of our equipment still designed for combat on the N.
European plain. -the Troll
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Bush using the FBI to intimidate US citizens instead of terrorists |
19 Aug 2004 11:10:28 AM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:opSdnSdPAa96OrncRVn-sA@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
The F102 was an air superiority fighter made for WWIII. It didn't have
the
slightest air-to-ground capability and so would have been useless in
Vietnam. It's role was for a general war in Europe. You can't play
baseball
with a tennis racquet. -the Troll
Even if true, they do retrain pilots, particularly in a time of war.
They do but the ANG was not used much in Vietnam and re-training for
another
aircraft is expensive and time consuming.
Not nearly as expensive as training a new pilot. Most pilots fly a
succession of models over their careers.
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| User: "hippo" |
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19 Aug 2004 11:28:44 AM |
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"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
The F102 was an air superiority fighter made for WWIII. It didn't
have
the
slightest air-to-ground capability and so would have been useless in
Vietnam. It's role was for a general war in Europe. You can't play
baseball
with a tennis racquet. -the Troll
Even if true, they do retrain pilots, particularly in a time of war.
They do but the ANG was not used much in Vietnam and re-training for
another
aircraft is expensive and time consuming.
Not nearly as expensive as training a new pilot. Most pilots fly a
succession of models over their careers.
That's true too but the AF didn't seem too keen on re-training NG pilots.
Upgrades frequently only require local training in the squadron. That would
not have been the case with an F102 pilot transitioning to the A1 or
F4. -the Troll
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| User: "J Antero" |
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17 Aug 2004 07:07:33 PM |
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"hippo" <hippo@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:j56dnfptjqXSGr_cRVn-jw@giganews.com...
"Bill Case" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote in message
*****, and what a whining irresponsible "you caused it"
response.
You have a lot in common with Clinton and his brand of whining
irresponsible
hacks.
Soooo your people wouldn't take advantage of chaos at the Republican
Convention? Crap! -the Troll
Chaos? Tell us what this kind of intimidation crap by the FBI has to do
w/
stopping chaos at this convention or anywhere else.
Cmon Hippo Clinton, tell us.
Hey Vladimir, don't play stupid. It is on page 45 of the little red book
of
running ***** on capitalists: Cause a riot and make the evil capitalists
react so as to be able to scream jack boot Fascist tactics. Then accuse
the
administration of screwing up security (just like 9/11 and Chicago). We've
got your number 'cause we have a copy of the book. Little Red Mary Moffat,
anti-war-protester, now knows the FBI has her number, her personal number.
It's an old artillery principle, load your guns before the battle (or the
election in this case). Drench your hankie somewhere inhabited with fools
who can be taken in. :^) -the Troll
Dear MR or MS Troll:
I don't think your attitudes are particularly American. It was either
Franklin or Adams who said "those who would sacrifice liberty for security
will wind up with neither". If somebody from the left were ever elected
would you like a visit from the FBI based on your internet posting?
J
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