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"Spartakus" |
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19 Nov 2007 09:57:07 AM |
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Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 10:54:48 AM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7d38c3d8-85cf-4031-afbd-2d768279705a@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
So there you have it: a woman is merely a "box" for delivering a baby.
Thanks for the update!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 02:05:40 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:54:48 -0600, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7d38c3d8-85cf-4031-afbd-2d768279705a@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
So there you have it: a woman is merely a "box" for delivering a baby.
Thanks for the update!
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support system for a
new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and performs
onward after birth with personal attention.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 02:25:11 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:54:48 -0600, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7d38c3d8-85cf-4031-afbd-2d768279705a@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
So there you have it: a woman is merely a "box" for delivering a baby.
Thanks for the update!
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support system
for a
new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and
performs
onward after birth with personal attention.
Yes, we know _your_ definition of "personal attention", Weird Uncle Dook:
"I was talking about a loving family teasingly pinching nipples (pre
breast type) and comparing how that's quite alright in a family
setting but clearly and quickly labeled as child molestation outside the
family setting."~ duke, aka Earl Weber, incestuous pedophile.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 04:14:14 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:25:11 -0600, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support system
for a
new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and
performs
onward after birth with personal attention.
Yes, we know _your_ definition of "personal attention", Weird Uncle Dook:
Moms are generally overflowing with love for their newborns. Now maybe you're
not old enough to understand that, but it's a fact.
"I was talking about a loving family teasingly pinching nipples (pre
breast type) and comparing how that's quite alright in a family
setting but clearly and quickly labeled as child molestation outside the
family setting."~ duke, aka Earl Weber, incestuous pedophile.
A double major standard revealed. Now that's one that's going to take you
getting a little older before you understand.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 04:59:49 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:25:11 -0600, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support
system for a new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of
birth, and performs onward after birth with personal attention.
Yes, we know _your_ definition of "personal attention", Weird Uncle Dook:
Moms are generally overflowing with love for their newborns. Now maybe
you're not old enough to understand that, but it's a fact.
Moron.
"I was talking about a loving family teasingly pinching nipples (pre
breast type) and comparing how that's quite alright in a family
setting but clearly and quickly labeled as child molestation outside the
family setting."~ duke, aka Earl Weber, incestuous pedophile.
A double major standard revealed.
You've misspelled "a major pervert revealed", dook.
Now that's one that's going to take you getting a little older before you
understand.
"Older"? Your statement clearly paints a perv that likes 'em younger, Weird
Uncle Dook.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
20 Nov 2007 07:10:16 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:59:49 -0600, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support
system for a new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of
birth, and performs onward after birth with personal attention.
Yes, we know _your_ definition of "personal attention", Weird Uncle Dook:
Moms are generally overflowing with love for their newborns. Now maybe
you're not old enough to understand that, but it's a fact.
Moron.
You really didn't know that, did you!!!
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 10:40:17 PM |
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duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
"LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
So there you have it: a woman is merely a "box" for delivering a baby.
Thanks for the update!
No, dummy. A box doesn't do anything. A woman is the life support system for
a new baby from the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and performs
onward after birth with personal attention.
Stupidity compounded. Thanks for proving my point.
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| User: "CE" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 01:40:08 PM |
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On Nov 19, 11:57 am, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel Nelson
once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have lettering
saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
The video does not say that women are containers, nor does it imply
that.
The point of the video is that in moments where there is some doubt as
to the possible harm to a person, the reasonable thing to do is err on
the side of caution to ensure that the person is safe.
The box is simply an analogy. It represents our lack of certainty when
it comes to the personhood or humanity of the unborn baby. Since the
box is opaque, it prevents us from gathering information about what's
inside.
In the case of pregnancy, there are many things preventing people from
being completely certain as to whether or not the unborn baby, the
fetus, is a human being and a person or not.
By noting that we would treat a box with particular care if we thought
there was even a chance there was a baby inside, the video is making
the point that it's up to us as reasonable people in society to err on
the side of caution and to treat anything that might be a human being,
including the unborn baby, with care.
The box does not represent women.
It is also incorrect that the video is telling us the baby is
merchandise. In the video, there is no merchandise at all. The boxes
are empty.
The boxes merely represent our uncertainty. No more, no less.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 10:38:24 PM |
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CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel
Nelson once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have
lettering saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
The video does not say that women are containers, nor does it imply
that.
The point of the video is that in moments where there is some doubt as
to the possible harm to a person, the reasonable thing to do is err on
the side of caution to ensure that the person is safe.
The box is simply an analogy.
Well, DUH! Yes, it's an analogy - it is a STOOPID analogy, an INEPT
analogy and an OFFENSIVE analogy to boot.
Really, are the fine folks at insidecatholic.com so out of practice
when it comes to *thinking* that that is the best they could do? As
far as I can tell, their whole point wais to give pseudo-logical cover
to people who want to believe something they've never logically
thought about in the first place.
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| User: "CE" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
19 Nov 2007 11:25:04 PM |
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On Nov 20, 12:38 am, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
So, according to the fine folks at insidecatholic.com, a woman is
about the same as a UPS shipping box. A *container*, as Muriel
Nelson once observed. Should the Virgin Mary's rainment have
lettering saying "This side up"?
But that's not all that the fine folks at insidecatholic.com are
saying here. They are also saying that "unborn babies" are about the
same as mail order merchandise. If that is the case, can't they just
be shipped back to the sender if they're unwanted?
The video does not say that women are containers, nor does it imply
that.
The point of the video is that in moments where there is some doubt as
to the possible harm to a person, the reasonable thing to do is err on
the side of caution to ensure that the person is safe.
The box is simply an analogy.
Well, DUH! Yes, it's an analogy - it is a STOOPID analogy, an INEPT
analogy and an OFFENSIVE analogy to boot.
Really, are the fine folks at insidecatholic.com so out of practice
when it comes to *thinking* that that is the best they could do? As
far as I can tell, their whole point wais to give pseudo-logical cover
to people who want to believe something they've never logically
thought about in the first place.
Well, as you yourself point out, that is as far as you can tell.
If I ever get the opportunity to provide feedback to the folks that
made the video, I'll be sure to let them know that it was beyond your
understanding and that the analogy needed to be more obvious.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
20 Nov 2007 07:48:46 PM |
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CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Follow this link. Watch the video. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOxIFW1Mhk
[...]
The point of the video is that in moments where there
is some doubt as to the possible harm to a person, the
reasonable thing to do is err on the side of caution
to ensure that the person is safe.
The box is simply an analogy.
Well, DUH! Yes, it's an analogy - it is a STOOPID analogy,
an INEPT analogy and an OFFENSIVE analogy to boot.
Really, are the fine folks at insidecatholic.com so out of
practice when it comes to *thinking* that that is the best
they could do? As far as I can tell, their whole point was
to give pseudo-logical cover to people who want to believe
something they've never logically thought about in the
first place.
Well, as you yourself point out, that is as far as you
can tell.
OK then, what sort of "thinking" was involved in the creative process
here?
They must have been looking around for some sort of emotional trigger,
right? So they settled on *boxes* as equivalent to living, breathing
women?
Do anti-choicers relate better to corrugated cardboard than to women?
What was the "deep thought" on the part of the fine folks at
insidecatholic.com that seems to elude anyone with an ounce of empathy
for women with unwanted pregnancies?
If I ever get the opportunity to provide feedback to the
folks that made the video, I'll be sure to let them know
that it was beyond your understanding and that the analogy
needed to be more obvious.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Fatuous git! I understand it all too well. It's
only your mad crimestop* skillz that prevents you from seeing the
stupidity, ineptitude and offensiveness of this "box == woman"
analogy.
*crimestop - "The faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at
the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not
grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of
misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to
Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which
is capable of leading in a heretical direction. In short....protective
stupidity." -- George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "mom0f4boys" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
20 Nov 2007 08:35:56 PM |
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Spartakus, stop... you are wrong. The box does not represent a woman
(or a womb) in the video. It represents the fetus... or the embryo.
Watch it again. The video is stupid in its use of boxes as an
analogy, but the it is meant to symbolize something along the lines of
"you don't know for certain what is in the box".... as in, 'the embryo
might really be a baby'.
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| User: "CE" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
20 Nov 2007 08:41:53 PM |
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On 20 nov, 22:35, mom0f4boys <momsh...@msn.com> wrote:
Spartakus, stop... you are wrong. The box does not represent a woman
(or a womb) in the video. It represents the fetus... or the embryo.
Watch it again. The video is stupid in its use of boxes as an
analogy, but the it is meant to symbolize something along the lines of
"you don't know for certain what is in the box".... as in, 'the embryo
might really be a baby'.
Exactly. The box represents our own uncertainty. It does not represent
women. Thanks for pointing that out.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
21 Nov 2007 09:56:38 AM |
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CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
mom0f4boys <momsh...@msn.com> wrote:
Spartakus, stop... you are wrong. The box does not represent a woman
(or a womb) in the video. It represents the fetus... or the embryo.
Watch it again. The video is stupid in its use of boxes as an
analogy, but the it is meant to symbolize something along the lines of
"you don't know for certain what is in the box".... as in, 'the embryo
might really be a baby'.
Exactly. The box represents our own uncertainty. It does not represent
women. Thanks for pointing that out.
All right, you two. I don't buy your interpretation, but for the sake
of argument, let's run with it. In your "box == fetus" scenario, do
you notice anything missing? Pardon me, I should rephrase - do you
notice *anyone* missing?
Like, the woman?
My point still stands - the analogy is stoopid, inept and offensive.
"Woman? WHAT woman???"
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| User: "CE" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
21 Nov 2007 10:44:33 AM |
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On Nov 21, 11:56 am, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
mom0f4boys <momsh...@msn.com> wrote:
Spartakus, stop... you are wrong. The box does not represent a woman
(or a womb) in the video. It represents the fetus... or the embryo.
Watch it again. The video is stupid in its use of boxes as an
analogy, but the it is meant to symbolize something along the lines of
"you don't know for certain what is in the box".... as in, 'the embryo
might really be a baby'.
Exactly. The box represents our own uncertainty. It does not represent
women. Thanks for pointing that out.
All right, you two. I don't buy your interpretation, but for the sake
of argument, let's run with it. In your "box == fetus" scenario, do
you notice anything missing? Pardon me, I should rephrase - do you
notice *anyone* missing?
Like, the woman?
My point still stands - the analogy is stoopid, inept and offensive.
"Woman? WHAT woman???"
The box does not represent the fetus. The box represents our
uncertainty about the fetus.
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| User: "mom0f4boys" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
20 Nov 2007 07:07:29 PM |
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The analogy was poorly thought out, ignoring the incendiary meaning of
'container' in the abortion batttle. However, it doesn't take much
thought to see that the boxes represent the fetus, not the womb. As
in 'the fetus MIGHT be a person, a baby'.
It was not a good idea at all, as it is so easy to misinterpret.
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic propaganda: woman = shipping container |
21 Nov 2007 12:35:24 PM |
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On Nov 20, 5:07 pm, mom0f4boys <momsh...@msn.com> wrote:
The analogy was poorly thought out, ignoring the incendiary meaning of
'container' in the abortion batttle. However, it doesn't take much
thought to see that the boxes represent the fetus, not the womb. As
in 'the fetus MIGHT be a person, a baby'.
It was not a good idea at all, as it is so easy to misinterpret.
What do you mean, misinterpret?
Those woman hating fetus felching freaks think that women are just
containers.
So do you, for that matter. You define yourself by your container
status. You have no identity other than that of a container.
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| User: "CE" |
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21 Nov 2007 10:57:03 PM |
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On Nov 21, 2:35 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 20, 5:07 pm, mom0f4boys <momsh...@msn.com> wrote:
The analogy was poorly thought out, ignoring the incendiary meaning of
'container' in the abortion batttle. However, it doesn't take much
thought to see that the boxes represent the fetus, not the womb. As
in 'the fetus MIGHT be a person, a baby'.
It was not a good idea at all, as it is so easy to misinterpret.
What do you mean, misinterpret?
Those woman hating fetus felching freaks think that women are just
containers.
So do you, for that matter. You define yourself by your container
status. You have no identity other than that of a container.
You seem to have limited understanding of motherhood. As you responded
to momOf4boys, you seemed to see her only as container.
Men or women who have children do define themselves in part as
parents. In the case of women, this includes giving birth which is an
amazing feat and one in which a woman participates in a very physical
way with God's plan of bringing forth life into the world.
But motherhood doesn't end with the child's birth. There's a small
human being there that needs to be fed, clothed, taught, loved,
nurtured, protected and sheltered. As parents, men and women are a
part of something great - and it's a good thing that they identify
themselves with that role and are in touch with this special aspect of
their lives.
Does that mean that a father or mother no longer sees him or herself
as anything else but a parent? No, of course not. People who are
parents also see themselves in part as employees or business people,
writers, musicians, adventurers, athletes, intellectuals, lovers, and/
or soldiers and any number of other things that people who don't have
children are also able to do.
You've judged someone based on their nick and, in so doing, all you've
done is project your own misunderstanding of motherhood and parenting.
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