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"J Young" |
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23 Jul 2005 05:38:22 PM |
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Catholic Women and Abortion |
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission. This is not to say that the
Guttmacher researchers "cooked" the data, but it is to say that readers
should be as suspect of their work as they would if the Pentagon had a
research arm that produced studies indicating the need for an arms
buildup.
If the Guttmacher Institute were truly interested in assessing the
relationship between religion and abortion, it would have asked the
women who listed a Catholic affiliation whether they were regular
Church-goers. But they didn't. Nor did they ask those women whether
they agreed with the Church's teachings on abortion. It is not
unreasonable to assume that had such questions been asked, the results
would not have been quite so dramatic.
It is well-known that non-white minority women have pressures on them
that make comparisons with white women somewhat difficult. The report
is not entirely useless in this regard, though more data would allow
for a more complete conclusion. Now consider the following.
The report says that although black women are 14 percent of the
age-bearing class between the ages of 15-44, they make up 31 percent of
all the abortions. Hispanics are 11 percent of the age-bearing segment
yet they account for 20 percent of all the abortions. This is important
because fully 20 percent of Catholics belong to minority groups: 14
percent of Catholics are Hispanic and 5 percent are black. As John Leo
of U.S. News and World Report discovered after he examined this data,
when black and Hispanic women are factored out, "Catholic women have an
abortion rate 37 percent lower than average."
It must also be said that the 1 percent abortion rate among Jewish
women is suspect. The majority of Jews profess no religion, and
therefore it is entirely likely that when Jewish women were asked to
choose which religion they belonged to, the majority checked off "None"
as opposed to "Jewish," thereby underreporting their actual abortion
rate.
The study does show that although only 6 percent of non-believers are
between the ages 15-44, they account for 24 percent of all the
abortions. Now if the researchers, as well as the media were fair, they
would have highlighted this finding: women who have no religious
affiliation are four times more likely than other women to have an
abortion. But owing to bias, this was not done.
Finally, the data show that the abortion rate is not only declining, it
is at the lowest rate since 1979 (the highest rates were born between
1983-1985). The present rate, 27.5 percent (and dropping), makes
nonsensical the Guttmacher conclusion that half of all American women
will have an abortion sometime in their life.
What this tells us is that if you start with a politicized agenda, you
get a politicized outcome. In the end, there is no substitute for
independently checking the findings of any research report, especially
those that are produced by highly politicized organizations that have a
vested financial interest in the conclusions.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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24 Jul 2005 08:15:33 AM |
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Despite what J Young and William Donoghue wish to believe, some
have had them.
Paul
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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23 Jul 2005 09:51:56 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
====================
And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage. Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
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CR...........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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| User: "bam" |
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24 Jul 2005 11:24:25 AM |
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
BAM
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| User: "Zadok" |
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24 Jul 2005 01:23:07 PM |
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"bam" <> wrote in message ...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and
27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
BAM
And surveys will tell you that 52% of American religionsists are protestant,
and 24% are catholics. Seems that 43% is 9% less than the percentage of
Protestants.
Yet, the catholic is 3% higher.
FACT: There is practically no difference in who is getting abortions.
FACT: Make all the laws you want. The rich people just will travel to
another country and have theirs, and the poor will be stuck having babies
they can't afford.
So cut the BULL, catholics are having abortions at the same rate as the
protestants.
Surveys will tell you that 98% of women of child bearing years, use birth
control.
More proof of how the church is out of touch with reality.
What baffles me, is how any church can claim people as members, who never go
to church and never contribute any money.
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| User: "BOB" |
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24 Jul 2005 01:30:51 PM |
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"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in
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"bam" <> wrote in message ...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant,
and
27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
BAM
And surveys will tell you that 52% of American religionsists are
protestant, and 24% are catholics. Seems that 43% is 9% less than the
percentage of Protestants.
Yet, the catholic is 3% higher.
FACT: There is practically no difference in who is getting abortions.
FACT: Make all the laws you want. The rich people just will travel to
another country and have theirs, and the poor will be stuck having
babies they can't afford.
So cut the BULL, catholics are having abortions at the same rate as
the protestants.
Surveys will tell you that 98% of women of child bearing years, use
birth control.
More proof of how the church is out of touch with reality.
What baffles me, is how any church can claim people as members, who
never go to church and never contribute any money.
Selective reasoning, much like the rest of their phony dogma.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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24 Jul 2005 06:10:40 PM |
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In article <f0REe.171992$on1.17919@clgrps13>, "Zadok"
<nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"bam" <> wrote in message ...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
BAM
And surveys will tell you that 52% of American religionsists are protestant,
and 24% are catholics. Seems that 43% is 9% less than the percentage of
Protestants.
Yet, the catholic is 3% higher.
FACT: There is practically no difference in who is getting abortions.
FACT: Make all the laws you want. The rich people just will travel to
another country and have theirs, and the poor will be stuck having babies
they can't afford.
The Neo-con solution to this problem is do not pay welfare to help feed
and clothe the child, amen.
So cut the BULL, catholics are having abortions at the same rate as the
protestants.
Surveys will tell you that 98% of women of child bearing years, use birth
control.
More proof of how the church is out of touch with reality.
Maybe only 3 or 4 centuries, and things are getting better. Ever since
1992, it's okay with Vatican, Inc. to teach children that the sun does not
revol;ve around earth.
What baffles me, is how any church can claim people as members, who never go
to church and never contribute any money.
Easy, the same way they claim the Mother of God answers all prayers
everytime, absolutely, positively.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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24 Jul 2005 04:07:09 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
Wonder what the statistics for abortions are, amongst atheist women...
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* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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24 Jul 2005 12:18:07 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
But how many Catholic and Protestant women are there in the US. The
big difficulty is in defining what a Protestant is. Perhaps, this
should be the sum of all non-Catholic, Christian women.
You need both these statistics to find out if a Catholic woman is more
or less likely to get an abortion than a Protestant woman is.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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24 Jul 2005 06:03:46 PM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:xPOdnV5LRKxXVH7fRVn-3Q@adelphia.com...
You need both these statistics to find out if a Catholic woman is more
or less likely to get an abortion than a Protestant woman is.
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Because of the intense SHAME put on the catholic women for getting pregnant
I would think they'd be more inclined to abort - to hide the fact they
became pregnant. You can hide an abortion but you can't hide a full term
pregnancy and birth. And as I mentioned above, the man's attitude also
mattered. Did he stay and marry her or did he take off and abandon her?
Several catholic girls I knew from HS did keep the baby, but the boyfriend
married them.
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CR........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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--Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905.
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| User: "bam" |
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24 Jul 2005 01:41:13 PM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:xPOdnV5LRKxXVH7fRVn-3Q@adelphia.com...
bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and
27% identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
But how many Catholic and Protestant women are there in the US. The big
difficulty is in defining what a Protestant is. Perhaps, this should be
the sum of all non-Catholic, Christian women.
You need both these statistics to find out if a Catholic woman is more or
less likely to get an abortion than a Protestant woman is.
I don't to continue this. The guy who started the post is a fraud. I
established that.
BAM
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| User: "BOB" |
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24 Jul 2005 01:52:32 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:6gREe.22316$Wt3.11460@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:xPOdnV5LRKxXVH7fRVn-3Q@adelphia.com...
bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant,
and
27% identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
But how many Catholic and Protestant women are there in the US. The
big difficulty is in defining what a Protestant is. Perhaps, this
should be the sum of all non-Catholic, Christian women.
You need both these statistics to find out if a Catholic woman is
more or less likely to get an abortion than a Protestant woman is.
I don't to continue this. The guy who started the post is a fraud. I
established that.
BAM
I, for one, would not like living in a country that would deny anyone
their basic freedom of bodily autonomy. Would you?
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| User: "maf1029 ©2001-2008" |
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24 Jul 2005 05:36:11 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:41:13 -0400, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
The guy who started the post is a fraud. I
established that.
"Shaddap." -- guess who said that?
"Quiet, punk." -- guess who said that?
"Don't be a ninny." -- guess who said that?
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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24 Jul 2005 02:47:23 PM |
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bam wrote:
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:xPOdnV5LRKxXVH7fRVn-3Q@adelphia.com...
bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and
27% identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
But how many Catholic and Protestant women are there in the US. The big
difficulty is in defining what a Protestant is. Perhaps, this should be
the sum of all non-Catholic, Christian women.
You need both these statistics to find out if a Catholic woman is more or
less likely to get an abortion than a Protestant woman is.
I don't to continue this. The guy who started the post is a fraud. I
established that.
My point was that your statistic, alone doesn't do that.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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24 Jul 2005 12:21:32 PM |
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In article <xPOdnV5LRKxXVH7fRVn-3Q@adelphia.com>, John Popelish
<jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
bam wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27%
identify themselves as Catholic.[7]
But how many Catholic and Protestant women are there in the US. The
big difficulty is in defining what a Protestant is. ...
A protestant is an insect from the family Formicidae that kvetches too much?
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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23 Jul 2005 10:18:33 PM |
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In article <42e2fb4d$0$3627$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
====================
And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage. Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
** Most Catholic girls would not have an abortion. The net result is an
increase in the supply of potential altar-boys,
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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24 Jul 2005 05:58:56 PM |
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".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-2307052018330001@192.168.1.103...
In article <42e2fb4d$0$3627$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
====================
And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who
had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage. Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why
should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try
teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
** Most Catholic girls would not have an abortion. The net result is an
increase in the supply of potential altar-boys,
====================
I didn't see where they were less inclined to abort if the boy wouldn't
marry them. Shame was heaped on them for getting pregnant. A quickie
marriage sometimes saved the day, if the man (or boy) was willing.
Not all families had the money to send the girl on an extended trip abroad
if you get my drift.....
--
CR.........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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25 Jul 2005 05:14:37 AM |
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In article <42e4162d$0$3628$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-2307052018330001@192.168.1.103...
In article <42e2fb4d$0$3627$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
====================
And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who
had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage. Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why
should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try
teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
** Most Catholic girls would not have an abortion. The net result is an
increase in the supply of potential altar-boys,
====================
I didn't see where they were less inclined to abort if the boy wouldn't
marry them.
** I've seen no stats on such.
Shame was heaped on them for getting pregnant. A quickie
marriage sometimes saved the day, if the man (or boy) was willing.
** There's the rub. It is apparently now a semi-common practice among
teenage females to not use birth control when they are doing IT with a hot
guy in order to become pregnant and hopefully get married. In the two
such cases I know of in this neighborhood, neither worked according to
plan. A major problem has been that other girls - who are seemingly
jealous - seek to have coitus with the father -- especially during the
second and third trimesters of the pregnancy -- in order to break up the
relationship.
Not all families had the money to send the girl on an extended trip abroad
if you get my drift.....
** Such as a summer vacation in Japan.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:21:53 AM |
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".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <42e4162d$0$3628$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <42e2fb4d$0$3627$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
"Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
====================
And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who
had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church
and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage.
Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made
them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why
should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try
teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
** Most Catholic girls would not have an abortion. The net result is
an
increase in the supply of potential altar-boys,
====================
I didn't see where they were less inclined to abort if the boy wouldn't
marry them.
** I've seen no stats on such.
## Nor have I since I haven't looked. I'm going by what happened in my
neighborhood with the people I knew.
Shame was heaped on them for getting pregnant. A quickie
marriage sometimes saved the day, if the man (or boy) was willing.
** There's the rub. It is apparently now a semi-common practice among
teenage females to not use birth control when they are doing IT with a hot
guy in order to become pregnant and hopefully get married.
## Actually this is nothing new. It went on when I was young years ago.
In the two
such cases I know of in this neighborhood, neither worked according to
plan. A major problem has been that other girls - who are seemingly
jealous - seek to have coitus with the father -- especially during the
second and third trimesters of the pregnancy -- in order to break up the
relationship.
## I haven't witnessed that with the people I know, but I'm sure it
happens.
Not all families had the money to send the girl on an extended trip abroad
if you get my drift.....
** Such as a summer vacation in Japan.
## Sometimes an extended "trip" to visit a relative in a distant state
sufficed......... but even that wasn't cheap.
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| Title: Re: Catholic Women and Abortion |
26 Jul 2005 06:48:08 AM |
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In article <42e50a9a$0$3587$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
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".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <42e4162d$0$3628$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>, "Cracklin'"
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In article <42e2fb4d$0$3627$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
"Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
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And it was mostly the catholic girls in my school and neighborhood who
had
unprotected sex and got pregnant years ago. At the time their church
and
parents believed in keeping them IGNORANT of the facts of life. They
thought sex-ed would encourage them to enjoy sex before marriage.
Birth
control was forbidden and a taboo subject. All that IGNORANCE made
them
easy victims of their own hormones and pleading boyfriends. So why
should
it surprise anyone that they have such a high abortion rate? Try
teaching
them about birth-control and disease prevention and see what happens.
** Most Catholic girls would not have an abortion. The net result is
an
increase in the supply of potential altar-boys,
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I didn't see where they were less inclined to abort if the boy wouldn't
marry them.
** I've seen no stats on such.
## Nor have I since I haven't looked. I'm going by what happened in my
neighborhood with the people I knew.
Shame was heaped on them for getting pregnant. A quickie
marriage sometimes saved the day, if the man (or boy) was willing.
** There's the rub. It is apparently now a semi-common practice among
teenage females to not use birth control when they are doing IT with a hot
guy in order to become pregnant and hopefully get married.
## Actually this is nothing new. It went on when I was young years ago.
** Surely, but in those times, young guys were a bit more responsible.
In the two
such cases I know of in this neighborhood, neither worked according to
plan. A major problem has been that other girls - who are seemingly
jealous - seek to have coitus with the father -- especially during the
second and third trimesters of the pregnancy -- in order to break up the
relationship.
## I haven't witnessed that with the people I know, but I'm sure it
happens.
** The dude in question was the #1 prize guy in the eyes of girls at
Camarillo High. The dude turned out to be not very responsible.
Not all families had the money to send the girl on an extended trip abroad
if you get my drift.....
** Such as a summer vacation in Japan.
## Sometimes an extended "trip" to visit a relative in a distant state
sufficed......... but even that wasn't cheap.
** According to Judy Garland, MGM's Louis B. Mayer reportedly employed
his own doctor to take care of such unexpected problems.
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Women and Abortion |
24 Jul 2005 11:15:44 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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25 Jul 2005 05:25:09 AM |
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In article <QHZEe.4233$Uk3.2155@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
** I grew up near a RC parochial school, and my take on the girls was
that they walked somewhat differently than the girls in public school.
Sure, this sounds crazy, but, prior to the Internet, who the hell would
have guessed that there was a market out there for anatomically correct
Catholic schoolgirl dolls?
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| User: "Ike" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:18:16 PM |
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".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <QHZEe.4233$Uk3.2155@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
** I grew up near a RC parochial school, and my take on the girls was
that they walked somewhat differently than the girls in public school.
Sure, this sounds crazy, but, prior to the Internet, who the hell would
have guessed that there was a market out there for anatomically correct
Catholic schoolgirl dolls?
There is? Where can I buy some?
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Women and Abortion |
26 Jul 2005 06:53:31 AM |
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In article <cQiFe.4951$Uk3.883@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <QHZEe.4233$Uk3.2155@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
** I grew up near a RC parochial school, and my take on the girls was
that they walked somewhat differently than the girls in public school.
Sure, this sounds crazy, but, prior to the Internet, who the hell would
have guessed that there was a market out there for anatomically correct
Catholic schoolgirl dolls?
There is? Where can I buy some?
** You can't until after Xmas. The entire production for 2005 was bought
out by a customer in Washington D. C. and he has an option on the the
first quarter's production for '06.
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| User: "Ike" |
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27 Jul 2005 10:50:00 PM |
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".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <cQiFe.4951$Uk3.883@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <QHZEe.4233$Uk3.2155@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American
women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
** I grew up near a RC parochial school, and my take on the girls was
that they walked somewhat differently than the girls in public school.
Sure, this sounds crazy, but, prior to the Internet, who the hell would
have guessed that there was a market out there for anatomically correct
Catholic schoolgirl dolls?
There is? Where can I buy some?
** You can't until after Xmas. The entire production for 2005 was bought
out by a customer in Washington D. C. and he has an option on the the
first quarter's production for '06.
I live near Washington D.C. Who is it?
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Women and Abortion |
28 Jul 2005 09:23:42 AM |
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In article <IBYFe.5328$0C.4570@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-2607050453310001@192.168.1.103...
In article <cQiFe.4951$Uk3.883@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
".?R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <QHZEe.4233$Uk3.2155@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122158302.895188.284390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/catholic_women_and_abortion.htm
Catholic Women and Abortion
By William A. Donohue
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American
women
will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the
findings is that a) the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are
falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure
among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been
left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story,
there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is
the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation's leading abortion
rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the
federal government to service its mission.
Could it have something to do with not using birth control? Or maybe
something about the religion makes them horny. Probably both.
** I grew up near a RC parochial school, and my take on the girls was
that they walked somewhat differently than the girls in public school.
Sure, this sounds crazy, but, prior to the Internet, who the hell would
have guessed that there was a market out there for anatomically correct
Catholic schoolgirl dolls?
There is? Where can I buy some?
** You can't until after Xmas. The entire production for 2005 was bought
out by a customer in Washington D. C. and he has an option on the the
first quarter's production for '06.
I live near Washington D.C. Who is it?
** I can't say for sure, but it's someone who's shipping address is 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue.
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| User: "655321" |
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24 Jul 2005 04:24:59 AM |
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On 2005-07-23 15:38:22 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
If it's true, this statistic is yet another sign of the irrelevance of
the Vatican among Catholics in general.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
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24 Jul 2005 07:56:00 AM |
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In article <200507240224568930%DipthotDipthot@YahooYahooComCom>, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:
On 2005-07-23 15:38:22 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than
Protestants.
If it's true, this statistic is yet another sign of the irrelevance of
the Vatican among Catholics in general.
I would like to see a statistic on the STD rate in RC teenage females.
Of the RC teenage girls that I know, one 18-yr old and one 19 yr old have
papaloma virus. The 18-yr old has been diagnosed with cervical cancer.
- "I can not believe that salvation is based on contraception by
temperature and damnation is based on rubber". - Dr. Andrι Hellegers.
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