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"J Young" |
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02 Jul 2005 09:25:46 PM |
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Christian right fights for key choice of judge |
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left) are the ones who made abortion the litmus
test. Now that pro-lifers are in the majority, the LLL doesn't like it.
Tough! Christian conservatives have every right to expect President
Bush to appoint a Justice with morals and values such as their own.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1678610,00.html
Christian right fights for key choice of judge
AMERICA'S legions of Christian conservatives were mobilising
yesterday for a furious battle over a US Supreme Court vacancy that has
offered President George W Bush a rare chance to shift the ideological
balance of the country's most important judicial institution.
The retirement of Sandra Day O'Connor, who for 24 years had
repeatedly cast the deciding vote in contentious decisions on the
nine-member court, has electrified right-wing Republicans who expect
Bush to reward their election support with the nomination of a
conservative anti-abortion candidate.
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president
that "the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that
only a nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to
the millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office
last November.
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| User: "Hans Christian Andersen" |
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05 Jul 2005 03:44:11 PM |
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Hey listen *****....if you want a theocracy, then move to Iran.
Plenty of religious nuts there.
On 2 Jul 2005 19:25:46 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left) are the ones who made abortion the litmus
test. Now that pro-lifers are in the majority, the LLL doesn't like it.
Tough! Christian conservatives have every right to expect President
Bush to appoint a Justice with morals and values such as their own.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1678610,00.html
Christian right fights for key choice of judge
AMERICA'S legions of Christian conservatives were mobilising
yesterday for a furious battle over a US Supreme Court vacancy that has
offered President George W Bush a rare chance to shift the ideological
balance of the country's most important judicial institution.
The retirement of Sandra Day O'Connor, who for 24 years had
repeatedly cast the deciding vote in contentious decisions on the
nine-member court, has electrified right-wing Republicans who expect
Bush to reward their election support with the nomination of a
conservative anti-abortion candidate.
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president
that "the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that
only a nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to
the millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office
last November.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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06 Jul 2005 11:53:09 AM |
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"Hans Christian Andersen" <HCA@teledanmark.dk> wrote in message
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Hey listen *****....if you want a theocracy, then move to Iran.
Plenty of religious nuts there.
He doesn't want a theocracy - he wants to stir up hate.
that's why he uses a host of sock puppets to spew his tripe.
Susan
On 2 Jul 2005 19:25:46 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left) are the ones who made abortion the litmus
test. Now that pro-lifers are in the majority, the LLL doesn't like it.
Tough! Christian conservatives have every right to expect President
Bush to appoint a Justice with morals and values such as their own.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1678610,00.html
Christian right fights for key choice of judge
AMERICA'S legions of Christian conservatives were mobilising
yesterday for a furious battle over a US Supreme Court vacancy that has
offered President George W Bush a rare chance to shift the ideological
balance of the country's most important judicial institution.
The retirement of Sandra Day O'Connor, who for 24 years had
repeatedly cast the deciding vote in contentious decisions on the
nine-member court, has electrified right-wing Republicans who expect
Bush to reward their election support with the nomination of a
conservative anti-abortion candidate.
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president
that "the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that
only a nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to
the millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office
last November.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jul 2005 05:13:36 AM |
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In our last episode
<1120357546.668745.213030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, J Young
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president that
"the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that only a
nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to the
millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office last
November.
Know what's funny? After judges are appointed, they quite often realize
it's for life and begin acting independently. Some of the most surprising
things have come out of members of the court appointed by Republicans...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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03 Jul 2005 05:41:41 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:Aq2dnX4hruXNJ1rfRVn-pA@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<1120357546.668745.213030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, J Young
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president
that
"the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that only a
nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to the
millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office last
November.
Know what's funny? After judges are appointed, they quite often realize
it's for life and begin acting independently.
And some of them realize the gravity of the power they hold & start acting
more responsibly, as well.
Some of the most surprising
things have come out of members of the court appointed by Republicans...
IIRC, Sandra Day O'Connor was one such surprise.
Susan
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Jul 2005 07:37:45 AM |
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In our last episode <FhPxe.19453$Fn4.12215@trnddc06>, Susan Cohen
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:Aq2dnX4hruXNJ1rfRVn-pA@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<1120357546.668745.213030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, J Young
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Leaders of religious and other right-wing groups warned the president
that
"the moment of truth" had arrived for his presidency, and that only a
nominee with robust anti-abortion views would be acceptable to the
millions of Christians who had helped to vote him back to office last
November.
Know what's funny? After judges are appointed, they quite often realize
it's for life and begin acting independently.
And some of them realize the gravity of the power they hold & start acting
more responsibly, as well.
Some of the most surprising
things have come out of members of the court appointed by Republicans...
IIRC, Sandra Day O'Connor was one such surprise.
Yes. Appointed by Reagan in the last attempt to steer the court to the
right, she's been the "swing vote" on many issues. Several attempts to
"steer" the court have had surprising results...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jul 2005 09:34:29 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left)
As opposed to the Radical Religious Reich?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Crusader" |
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30 Aug 2005 01:32:16 PM |
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Action =Reaction?
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left)
As opposed to the Radical Religious Reich?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "I dont believe in atheists" |
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30 Aug 2005 11:09:26 PM |
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"Crusader" <yxz@white.com> wrote in message
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Action =Reaction?
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:da7irl$a7c$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left)
As opposed to the Radical Religious Reich?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
given point. Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can
correctly predict what
you'll say next.Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs
about "Christianity" from liberal Christians.
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !
It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
of the people who most solidly believe in God !
Ain't talking 'practical atheists' here ...those who don't
even think much about atheism. They're the true
atheists.
Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves
to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him.
They're the God-haters.
To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate
something we don't believe in ?'.
Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to
relentlessly attack Him.
Run of the mill, everyday 'practical atheists' don't
give God a second thought. They're the ones
I worry about.
Whereas militant atheists are fighting against the
innate knowledge of suppressed in their hearts.
As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state that there is no time in
your life that you
totally disbelieved in God. And -in fact- were driven to
work against the Lord by belief in Him !
It isn't that militant atheists don't believe God exists.
Instead: That they don't want God to exist.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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30 Aug 2005 11:28:45 PM |
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I don't believe in atheists <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote:
"Crusader" <yxz@white.com> wrote in message
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left)
As opposed to the Radical Religious Reich?
You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
As opposed to you religious terrorists?
Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.
Smirk. Good thing that you don't blindly accept what the Bible says.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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30 Aug 2005 11:36:59 PM |
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In article <M3aRe.76$lY2.5971@news.uswest.net>, I don't believe in
atheists <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote:
"Crusader" <yxz@white.com> wrote in message
news:sB1Re.19051$7F.5075@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Action =Reaction?
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:da7irl$a7c$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The LLL (Looney Liberal Left)
As opposed to the Radical Religious Reich?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
given point. Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can
correctly predict what
you'll say next.
Hmmm... "Intelligent religious individuals" - now there is an oxymoron.
A person who believes something that goes against everything we know
without any evidence whatsoever, just because he is told it.
And "almost always can predict what you'll say." You must be one of
those "intelligent religious individuals." If you want to come across
as an "intelligent religious individual," consider this -
"Always" is like unique, complete, equal, and perfect ‹ whose core
meaning embraces a mathematically absolute concept and which therefore,
cannot be modified by adverbs such as really, quite, almost, or very.
You aren't "almost unique." You either are or you aren't.
Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs
about "Christianity" from liberal Christians.
"Much or their beliefs?" Did you mean many of their beliefs?
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
"Liberal theological concepts..." Right. Such as what?
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism.
LOL! Lets see. Atheist. "The theory or belief that God does not
exist." Religion. "The belief in and worship of a superhuman
controlling power - God." And this makes sense to you?
Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube.
LOL! Atheism, by definition, is not a religion, you goof.
Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
Science isn't an authority.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !
You aren't listening. Atheism is the theory or belief that God does
not exist.
It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
of the people who most solidly believe in God !
Great - stupid and religious. I guess that makes sense.
Bored...
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| User: "fred" |
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03 Jul 2005 02:47:18 PM |
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Will you please volunteer specific people about whom you are referring
to as the Radical Religious Reich? (I might even agree with you.)
Also, please give examples of what they have said or done to make you
inclined to classify them as such?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Jul 2005 08:46:44 PM |
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fred <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you please volunteer specific people about whom you are referring
to as the Radical Religious Reich? (I might even agree with you.)
You might look at who I was responding to for one example. Most of
them are cowards too chicken to use their real names when posting so I
can't supply you with any.
Also, please give examples of what they have said or done to make you
inclined to classify them as such?
Look at the rhetoric of hate and bigotry, accusing "liberals" of all
manner of evil. It's the same rhetoric the Nazis used against the
Jews.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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03 Jul 2005 09:46:01 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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fred <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you please volunteer specific people about whom you are referring
to as the Radical Religious Reich? (I might even agree with you.)
You might look at who I was responding to for one example. Most of
them are cowards too chicken to use their real names when posting so I
can't supply you with any.
Also, please give examples of what they have said or done to make you
inclined to classify them as such?
Look at the rhetoric of hate and bigotry, accusing "liberals" of all
manner of evil. It's the same rhetoric the Nazis used against the
Jews.
Who do you think they learned it from?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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03 Jul 2005 10:28:20 PM |
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Stupid Bigoted Fascist Cunts like YOU.
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: "Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: > fred <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
: > >Will you please volunteer specific people about whom you are
referring
: > >to as the Radical Religious Reich? (I might even agree with you.)
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: > You might look at who I was responding to for one example. Most of
: > them are cowards too chicken to use their real names when posting so
I
: > can't supply you with any.
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: > >Also, please give examples of what they have said or done to make
you
: > >inclined to classify them as such?
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: > Look at the rhetoric of hate and bigotry, accusing "liberals" of all
: > manner of evil. It's the same rhetoric the Nazis used against the
: > Jews.
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: Who do you think they learned it from?
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: > --
: > Ray Fischer
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| User: "fred" |
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03 Jul 2005 09:16:24 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
fred <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you please volunteer specific people about whom you are referring
to as the Radical Religious Reich? (I might even agree with you.)
You might look at who I was responding to for one example. Most of
them are cowards too chicken to use their real names when posting so I
can't supply you with any.
I did not make myself clear. Please disregard newsgroups posters. I
want the names of right wing senators and religious leaders.
Also, please give examples of what they have said or done to make you
inclined to classify them as such?
Look at the rhetoric of hate and bigotry, accusing "liberals" of all
manner of evil. It's the same rhetoric the Nazis used against the
Jews.
I want to know what right wing senators and religious leaders have done
and said which would justify you labeling them as the radical religious
reich. On gripe I have about some Christians (I am one), for example,
is that there is nothing in the Constitution that singles out
Christianity in a significant way. Still, claiming that the country
was founded on Christian principals does not merit the radical
religious reich label in my opinion.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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04 Jul 2005 08:54:32 AM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I want to know what right wing senators and religious leaders have done
and said which would justify you labeling them as the radical religious
reich.
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
On gripe I have about some Christians (I am one), for example,
is that there is nothing in the Constitution that singles out
Christianity in a significant way. Still, claiming that the country
was founded on Christian principals does not merit the radical
religious reich label in my opinion.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Susan
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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04 Jul 2005 04:29:28 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted for
Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The left
were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to hold the
presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all terrible.
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in power.
I'm not sure Bush was right, but there wasn't an easy answer.
I also think the budget deficit is highly irresponsible and taxes ought to
have been raised, whilst the ecological policies are selfish and
short-sighted. So Bush isn't a perfect President.
However he is fundamentally a decent man with the interests of his country
at heart. What rights don't you have? How many synagogues has Bush burnt?
How many abortion laws has he overturned? How many US states has he allowed
to establish a Christian church? How many Jews have been expelled from the
USA? How many Jews have been expelled from the Republican party? How often
has military force been threatened against Israel, despite the fact that
they have weapons of mass destruction?
I think you'll see that any complaints you have are totally marginal, in the
great scheme of things. Maybe he won't allow homosexuals to marry and he put
a bit of pressure on Sharon to evacuate Gaza in the hopes of bringing peace.
Some tyrant.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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06 Jul 2005 04:02:10 AM |
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And they have been proven right!
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted
for
: Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The
left
: were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to
hold the
: presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all
terrible.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jul 2005 12:02:42 AM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted for
Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The left
were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to hold the
presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all terrible.
And what would you consider "terrible"?
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in power.
No, there weren't.
I'm not sure Bush was right, but there wasn't an easy answer.
Yes, there was.
I also think the budget deficit is highly irresponsible and taxes ought to
have been raised, whilst the ecological policies are selfish and
short-sighted. So Bush isn't a perfect President.
So far you don't care for his Iraq policy nor his economic and
environmental policies.
However he is fundamentally a decent man with the interests of his country
at heart.
And where is the evidence of that?
What rights don't you have? How many synagogues has Bush burnt?
How many mosques has he bombed?
How many abortion laws has he overturned?
At least one.
How many US states has he allowed
to establish a Christian church? How many Jews have been expelled from the
USA?
How many Muslims?
How many Jews have been expelled from the Republican party?
How many Muslims?
How often
has military force been threatened against Israel, despite the fact that
they have weapons of mass destruction?
So your entire argument is that as long as he doesn't atack _jews_
then everything is just fine.
I think you'll see that any complaints you have are totally marginal, in the
great scheme of things.
I think you're nuts.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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06 Jul 2005 06:32:52 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in
power.
No, there weren't.
A regime like Saddam Hussein's needs to create a permanent state of
emergency to maintain itself in power. When it also has significant natural
resources, in an already unstable region of the world, and a history of
aggression to neighbours, then the consequences of tolerating that regime's
existence are unpredictable, but certainly not good.
So your entire argument is that as long as he doesn't atack _jews_
then everything is just fine.
The claim was that President Bush is violating Susan Cohen's rights. Since
Susan Cohen is Jewish, presumably Jews' collective rights as Jews are the
ones under attack.
I showed that, if such rights are being violated at all, it is in a way that
is very marginal. That is not to say that all of Bush's policies are
unambiguously in the interests of the majority of American Jews.
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06 Jul 2005 09:03:00 PM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in
power.
No, there weren't.
A regime like Saddam Hussein's needs to create a permanent state of
emergency to maintain itself in power.
Much like Bush.
When it also has significant natural
resources, in an already unstable region of the world, and a history of
aggression to neighbours, then the consequences of tolerating that regime's
existence are unpredictable, but certainly not good.
The US also has a history of agression and significant natural
resources. Why do you tolerate the Bush regime?
So your entire argument is that as long as he doesn't atack _jews_
then everything is just fine.
The claim was that President Bush is violating Susan Cohen's rights.
Who made that claim?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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05 Jul 2005 02:19:07 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC), "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted for
Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The left
were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to hold the
presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all terrible.
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in power.
I'm not sure Bush was right, but there wasn't an easy answer.
I also think the budget deficit is highly irresponsible and taxes ought to
have been raised, whilst the ecological policies are selfish and
short-sighted. So Bush isn't a perfect President.
However he is fundamentally a decent man with the interests of his country
at heart. What rights don't you have? How many synagogues has Bush burnt?
How many abortion laws has he overturned? How many US states has he allowed
to establish a Christian church? How many Jews have been expelled from the
USA? How many Jews have been expelled from the Republican party? How often
has military force been threatened against Israel, despite the fact that
they have weapons of mass destruction?
I think you'll see that any complaints you have are totally marginal, in the
great scheme of things. Maybe he won't allow homosexuals to marry and he put
a bit of pressure on Sharon to evacuate Gaza in the hopes of bringing peace.
Some tyrant.
Pretty impressive arguments you have here. I guess it feels like being
stabbed in the back for Bush to be criticized by a Jew, huh?
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 03:15:25 AM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:ggckc11t0a1q150c1ndlik73uvcdfp2ak4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC), "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted for
Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The left
were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to hold
the
presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all
terrible.
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in power.
I'm not sure Bush was right, but there wasn't an easy answer.
I also think the budget deficit is highly irresponsible and taxes ought to
have been raised, whilst the ecological policies are selfish and
short-sighted. So Bush isn't a perfect President.
However he is fundamentally a decent man with the interests of his country
at heart. What rights don't you have? How many synagogues has Bush burnt?
How many abortion laws has he overturned? How many US states has he
allowed
to establish a Christian church? How many Jews have been expelled from the
USA? How many Jews have been expelled from the Republican party? How often
has military force been threatened against Israel, despite the fact that
they have weapons of mass destruction?
I think you'll see that any complaints you have are totally marginal, in
the
great scheme of things. Maybe he won't allow homosexuals to marry and he
put
a bit of pressure on Sharon to evacuate Gaza in the hopes of bringing
peace.
Some tyrant.
Pretty impressive arguments you have here.
Hey - that was sarcasm, right?
I guess it feels like being
stabbed in the back for Bush to be criticized by a Jew, huh?
It does if you're the condescending doofus that guy is.
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or - since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
Susan
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 03:33:59 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:ggckc11t0a1q150c1ndlik73uvcdfp2ak4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC), "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net> wrote
Openly working to take away my rights based on their personal religious
beliefs should be enough for you, but obviously it isn't.
It does since it wasn't and only radical religious reich say it was.
Well really. I'm not sure that if I was an American I would have voted for
Bush the first time riund, but the second time I certainly would. The left
were making out that the man would be a disaster, totally unfit to hold
the
presidency of the US, when in fact he hasn't done anything at all
terrible.
The most controversial decision was the invasion of Iraq. The policy has
huge dangers, but there were also huge dangers in leaving Saddam in power.
I'm not sure Bush was right, but there wasn't an easy answer.
I also think the budget deficit is highly irresponsible and taxes ought to
have been raised, whilst the ecological policies are selfish and
short-sighted. So Bush isn't a perfect President.
However he is fundamentally a decent man with the interests of his country
at heart. What rights don't you have? How many synagogues has Bush burnt?
How many abortion laws has he overturned? How many US states has he
allowed
to establish a Christian church? How many Jews have been expelled from the
USA? How many Jews have been expelled from the Republican party? How often
has military force been threatened against Israel, despite the fact that
they have weapons of mass destruction?
I think you'll see that any complaints you have are totally marginal, in
the
great scheme of things. Maybe he won't allow homosexuals to marry and he
put
a bit of pressure on Sharon to evacuate Gaza in the hopes of bringing
peace.
Some tyrant.
Pretty impressive arguments you have here.
Hey - that was sarcasm, right?
Not really. He shows pretty impressive insight. I wish all Bush
supporters would have such remarkable ability as he has.
I guess it feels like being
stabbed in the back for Bush to be criticized by a Jew, huh?
It does if you're the condescending doofus that guy is.
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or - since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket? I mean politically of
course. Have you found your chosen candidate yet?
Susan
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 08:34:29 AM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
I mean politically of
course. Have you found your chosen candidate yet?
Alas, not yet; the ones I want won't run.
Susan
Susan
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 12:19:04 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:34:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
And you think there won't be "Bush" the third? Think again.
I mean politically of
course. Have you found your chosen candidate yet?
Alas, not yet; the ones I want won't run.
Who would that be? Somebody Jewish?
Susan
Susan
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 12:30:34 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:34:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
And you think there won't be "Bush" the third? Think again.
Is Jeb going to steal it, too?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 12:34:59 PM |
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"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1tglc11t0ip5i5plf54lnpjtuekgbu24e4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:34:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw
Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
And you think there won't be "Bush" the third? Think again.
Is Jeb going to steal it, too?
I read somewhere that Bush Sr. has been encouraging Jeb to run for the
presidency. What a scary thought ;P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
05 Jul 2005 12:38:24 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3ivundFn8kreU1@individual.net...
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1tglc11t0ip5i5plf54lnpjtuekgbu24e4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:34:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen"
<flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures
or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw
Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
And you think there won't be "Bush" the third? Think again.
Is Jeb going to steal it, too?
I read somewhere that Bush Sr. has been encouraging Jeb to run for the
presidency. What a scary thought ;P
Not a worry, as he can't carry Florida, and a Republican that cannot carry
Florida cannot win at the present time.
Mickey
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christian right fights against key choice of judge |
06 Jul 2005 01:37:35 AM |
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In article <3ivundFn8kreU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1tglc11t0ip5i5plf54lnpjtuekgbu24e4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:34:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqgkc1dmnomtimq8tpd659nihpcoo84ta4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:15:25 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia18@verizon.net>
wrote:
I notice he didn't discuss vouchers, banning abortion proceedures or -
since
he's dragging Israel into it - how hard he's been trying to screw
Israel
ever since the "Road Map."
I guess it's time for Bush to kick the bucket?
Long past time.
But the good thing is that he can;t have another term.
And you think there won't be "Bush" the third? Think again.
Is Jeb going to steal it, too?
I read somewhere that Bush Sr. has been encouraging Jeb to run for the
presidency. What a scary thought ;P
Argh! Eight years of Jeb, eight years of Neil, and then it's time for
President Jenna.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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