"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Stan de SD wrote:

If you
think Bush lied, tell us if Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Madeline Albright, and

the

leaders of several European nations lied as well, since they said the

same

thing.

Cite? Oh, and don't bother giving me the oft-debunked "quotes" from
these guys that were made prior to 1998 or after 2001.

How were they "debunked"? Did the aforementioned Democratic politicians NOT
make those statements?

Tell us why a lot of Iraqi generals also happened to believe they had
WMDs as well.

Cite?

Here you are:

Kay: Iraqi Generals Believed Iraq Had WMD
Human Events, Feb 9, 2004 by Sessions, Jeff, Kay, David, Collins, Susan
It has been widely reported that outgoing Iraq Survey Group Director David
Kay told the Senate Armed Services Committee on January 28 that "we were
almost all wrong." It has not been widely reported that Kay said that even
Iraqi Republican Guard generals believed Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction. Kay did not even rule out that Saddam himself might have
believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Here are the pertinent
excerpts from this testimony:

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R.-Ala.): I believe at one point you noted that even his
own military officers believed they had them [WMD]. In other words, they
Would think-

David Kay:-that someone else had them.

Sessions: Could you explain that?

Kay: Well, in interviewing the Republican Guard generals and Special
Republican Guard generals and asking about their capabilities and having
them, the assurance was they didn't personally have them and hadn't seen
them, but the units on their right or left had them. And as you worked the
way around the circle of those defending Baghdad, which is the immediate
area of concern, you have got this very strange phenomena of no, I don't
have them, I haven't seen them, but look to my right and left. That was an
intentional ambiguity.

And realize freedom of discussion and movement was not something encouraged
in Iraq. For example, Republican Guard divisions never entered into the city
limits of Baghdad. Only the SRG [Special Republican Guard] was allowed to.
You didn't even train in multidivisional units because of that issue of his
concern about them. It was a powerful deception technology. We have it
[WMD], but we haven't seen it, but we know that someone else has it.

Sessions: And it is true, I think no one can dispute, that had he not had
these weapons of mass destruction and had opened his country and plainly
demonstrated it, this war would have been avoided.

Kay: Yes, I think that's true. And that's one-always been one of the
mysteries for all of us to determine: how-why would he have run this risk
that cost him his regime and the death of members of his family if he didn't
have those weapons?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200402/ai_n9385971

Let's see if we get an honest answer out of you, or if you do
the usual game-playing that lefties do when they can't back up their own
claims. :O|

As soon as you back up your claims.... Or will I get the usual
game-playing that righties do when they can't back up their own claims?

My claims are backed up - now it's your turn... :Oo

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Stan de SD wrote:

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Stan de SD wrote:

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Miriam Cohen <mimiNOgalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

Stan de SD wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message

youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

Miss Sheehan seems more intent in trying to save her own sullied

reputation

than remembering her son Casey; who volunteered to join the

military

and

tragically succumbed to an act of war. This windbag should take

her

tired

act back home and slip away into oblivion

Have you ever lost a child in a war?

Are you suggesting that the way to honor the memory of fallen

soldiers

is

for their mothers to act like total nut-jobs?

Regardless of Ms Sheehan's actions or words her son, Casey, fought

and

died in service to his country

No, because of Bush's lies, he died in service to Iraq.

And what did Bush supposedly lie about?

Whether Bush lied or not is irrelevant to the *FACT* that Casey died in
service to his country, not in service to his president or his mother.
Both of you (SD and Ray) should be ashamed of yourselves fort using his
death to shore up your arguments. SD didn't *YOU* serve your country?
Doesn't Casey deserve more respect than you using his death for
political points?

Where have I directed ANY disrespect towards Casey? Show me.

By criticizing Cindy Sheehan.

Not the same. Nice try, but a rather pathetic one...

By saying that she is "pathetic,"

"self-serving" and "dishonoring the memory of her son", failing to prove
that "the rest of the family" is telling her to "STFU over this matter."
As evidenced below:

My criticism
has been SPECIFICALLY about Cindy's pathetic, self-serving behavior,

which

not only does NOTHING to honor the memory of her son, but has caused

enough

embarrassment for her own husband to divorce her, and the rest of the

family

to in essence tell her to STFU over this matter. How you came to that
conclusion is beyond me...

And how you came to the conclusion that she is "pathetic,"
"self-serving" and the rest is beyond me as well.

Then you obviously haven't noticed that she is a bit of an attention
*****... :O|