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"papa jack" |
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08 Jul 2004 04:02:07 PM |
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Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
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Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
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08 Jul 2004 06:28:46 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0407081302.70179e24@posting.google.com...
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
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Yes, because childbirth is so DANGEROUS for the women, and the women sue.
Maybe they need to be warned about the dangers of childbirth even before
they become pregnant.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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| User: "papa jack" |
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09 Jul 2004 05:46:57 PM |
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"Flower Power" <Woman-R-Free@this-time.net> wrote
in message news:<1_ednSve-sMpRXDdRVn-gQ@heartoftn.net>...
"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
==================================
Flower Power wrote:
Yes, because childbirth is so DANGEROUS for the women, and
the women sue. Maybe they need to be warned about the dangers
of childbirth even before they become pregnant.
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Papa Jack smiled:
Yep, that's a practical idea. BEFORE is much better, because
warning after a woman is pregnant isn't very useful.
So, what are you going to do to get your idea implimented?
Would you post a policeman in every doctor's office to ensure
they complied with your new law to warn women about the dangers
of getting pregnant?
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| User: "Desir?e Renaudierre" |
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08 Jul 2004 10:08:27 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0407081302.70179e24@posting.google.com>...
Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
And not only that, Papa, but he won't be expected to "see into the
future" like liberals so oten demand of George Bush. Being a liberal
is not only never having to say you're sorry, but also that of having
the luxury of demanding standards of judgement with respect to
Republican presidents never, ever applied to Democrat presidents. In
other words, Republicans are to Democrats as parents are to ignorant,
narcissistic, stupid little children.
Desirée Renaudierre
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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12 Jul 2004 02:16:02 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote:
[--Who gives a rat's patootie what Ann Coulter says?--]
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people who
they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president. They
chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of him.
54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the average
person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person? You guys
are
Really
Stupid
to highlight one of Edwards' strongest points against Cheney.
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| User: "Dominique D. Desjardins" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:04:04 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0407121116.6326b36c@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
[--Who gives a rat's patootie what Ann Coulter says?--]
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people who
they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president. They
chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of him.
54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the average
person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person? You guys
are
Really
Stupid
to highlight one of Edwards' strongest points against Cheney.
Only a lawyer, or someone with a lot of scumbag "friends" using the
legal system to extort money from hard-working, productive people,
would ever think Edwards will be plus to Kerry's campaign. There are
hundreds of thousands of small business owners who hate blood-sucking
parasites like this, and they all vote. Everything we buy, from apples
to automobiles to insurance is costing us perhaps 30% more because of
the American Trial Lawyers pocketing billions with bogus and frivolous
lawsuits. It's all a big game and a fancy extortion racket with the
courts refereeing the shakedown of John Q. Citizen.
And don't think for a moment that the American public can't connect
the dots here, just two of them leading from the American trial
lawyers being the single biggest contributor to the democrat party and
the democrat party being the single biggest obstacle to tort reform in
America. No, Spartakus, this will be a huge net loss for Kerry, if for
no other reason than that of alienating a whole lot of democrats who
might have otherwise voted for him.
Hee, you lose on this one, and big time. Hee hee!
Dominique D. Desjardins
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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14 Jul 2004 09:19:26 AM |
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(Dominique D. Desjardins) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people who
they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president. They
chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of him.
54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the average
person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person? You guys
are
Really
Stupid
to highlight one of Edwards' strongest points against Cheney.
Only a lawyer, or someone with a lot of scumbag "friends" using the
legal system to extort money from hard-working, productive people,
would ever think Edwards will be plus to Kerry's campaign.
I think what you meant to say was "Edwards used the legal system to
help people at the worst moments of their lives. He got them the
money to live a decent life and care for chronically ill family
members. He earned his money holding greedy corporations to account
for their negligence".
Do you think that Valerie Lakey and her family could have collected
damages from the corporation that built the pool pump that sucked out
her intestines without Edwards' help? Without his effort, the Lakey
family would lost everything to cover Valerie's medical expenses, and
Valerie herself would be institutionalized.
For that reason, most people think that Edwards is a plus to the Kerry
campaign.
There are hundreds of thousands of small business owners who hate
blood-sucking parasites like this, and they all vote. Everything
we buy, from apples to automobiles to insurance is costing us
perhaps 30% more because of the American Trial Lawyers
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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15 Jul 2004 01:54:11 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0407140619.279339b@posting.google.com...
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
Economist Brad de Long notes that less than 2 percent of medical costs can
be attributed to "trial lawyers". Most can be attributed to the fact that
American consumers pick up the tab for negotiated drug prices to Canada and
other pinko commie countries with single-payer health plans that - gasp! -
NEGOTIATE drug prices, pay SALARIES to doctors, and the like.
I'd guess the same is true for other products. Not that it's important - if
companies deliberately decide that they'd rather pay out for a few deaths or
serious injuries than universally install a cheap item that prevents such
disasters - like the Ford motor company and the Pinto that blew up when it
was rearended - they deserve to pay. Remember those Ford memos that were
discovered which showed that they decided it would be cheaper to pay out a
few settlements than install the $2 product on all Pintos to prevent them
turning into fireballs in the first place?
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| User: "Soeur Felicienne Angelica" |
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14 Jul 2004 01:56:39 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0407140619.279339b@posting.google.com>...
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
A product liability attorney "helping" someone other than himself is
an oxymoron - chuckle, chuckle...snicker, snicker - hilarious guffaws!
Yep, it's only when it comes to trial lawyers putting the grab on 50%
of these settlements on their way to an 80 million dollar fortune that
liberals then start to babbling on about compassion and altruism and
all the rest of that horse manure. It's also worthy of note that
neither Bush or Cheney can lay their hands on this kind of dough, much
less either one even being flush enough to pay the salaries of Kerry's
house servant and maintenance staffs. Hee hee!
But then, if I were a democrat and checked out the enormous sums of
money the American Trial Lawyers were pouring into the DNC coffers,
well the math would make me wax eloquent about their "public service,"
too. I mean, after all, if these corporations have all this dough, we
have a right to steal a bunch of it, no matter that some kid stuck his
tongue in a light socket or some dim-witted demmie ran a hair dryer in
a tub full of water with the shower running!
Way ta go, Doody Head! You'll see what they think of this shyster *****
good Ol' Boy come November 2, and you aina gonna like it!
I remain your humble servant, Soeur Felicienne Angelica
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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15 Jul 2004 08:56:20 AM |
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(Soeur Felicienne Angelica) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
A product liability attorney "helping" someone other than himself is
an oxymoron - chuckle, chuckle...snicker, snicker - hilarious guffaws!
Tell that to Valerie Lakey.
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| User: "Soeur Felicienne Angelica" |
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15 Jul 2004 01:35:56 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0407150556.646f464@posting.google.com>...
bush_wins_again@hotmail.com (Soeur Felicienne Angelica) wrote...
(Spartakus) wrote...
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
A product liability attorney "helping" someone other than himself is
an oxymoron - chuckle, chuckle...snicker, snicker - hilarious guffaws!
Tell that to Valerie Lakey.
This anomalous legal event comes under the heading of, "Man Bites
Dog!" Snicker, guffaws! Any more of this class of convincing
anecdotes, Mephisto? We further note for the record that you're a
master at employing these same specious devices you're so quick to
hammer others for using. But then you're a socialist. What's left to
say?
Egads, but you're such a fraud, you Doody Head!
Soeur Felicienne Angelica
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| User: "papa jack" |
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14 Jul 2004 05:23:56 PM |
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bush_wins_again@hotmail.com (Soeur Felicienne Angelica) wrote
in message news:<a6287946.0407141056.1e29be98@posting.google.com>...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote:
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Spartakus wrote:
helping average people collect the necessary funds to live normal
lives after being killed or maimed by defective products or negligent
health care or whatever. Please, continue this dumb, out of touch
jihad against "trial lawyers". We need to hear more about Edwards'
career; the trials he has won and the people he has helped. Go ahead,
bring it on.
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Soeur Felicienne Angelica wrote:
A product liability attorney "helping" someone other than himself is
an oxymoron - chuckle, chuckle...snicker, snicker - hilarious guffaws!
Yep, it's only when it comes to trial lawyers putting the grab on 50%
of these settlements on their way to an 80 million dollar fortune that
liberals then start to babbling on about compassion and altruism and
all the rest of that horse manure. It's also worthy of note that
neither Bush or Cheney can lay their hands on this kind of dough, much
less either one even being flush enough to pay the salaries of Kerry's
house servant and maintenance staffs. Hee hee!
But then, if I were a democrat and checked out the enormous sums of
money the American Trial Lawyers were pouring into the DNC coffers,
well the math would make me wax eloquent about their "public service,"
too. I mean, after all, if these corporations have all this dough, we
have a right to steal a bunch of it, no matter that some kid stuck his
tongue in a light socket or some dim-witted demmie ran a hair dryer in
a tub full of water with the shower running!
Way ta go, Doody Head! You'll see what they think of this shyster *****
good Ol' Boy come November 2, and you aina gonna like it!
I remain your humble servant, Soeur Felicienne Angelica
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Papa Jack remarked:
Bravo! Well said.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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15 Jul 2004 09:08:18 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote...
bush_wins_again@hotmail.com (Soeur Felicienne Angelica) wrote...
[--whatever--]
Bravo! Well said.
Maybe you could get a TRIAL LAWYER to help you with your insanity defense.
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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13 Jul 2004 08:01:54 PM |
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(Dominique D. Desjardins) wrote:
Only a lawyer, or someone with a lot of scumbag "friends" using the
legal system to extort money from hard-working, productive people,
would ever think Edwards will be plus to Kerry's campaign. There are
hundreds of thousands of small business owners who hate blood-sucking
parasites like this, and they all vote.
*****-for-brains, almost all the lawsuits filed against businesses are
filed by ... other businesses, using their own pet corporate lawyers.
But don't let reality intrude into your ravings. Please, carry on.
Everything we buy, from apples
to automobiles to insurance is costing us perhaps 30% more because of
the American Trial Lawyers pocketing billions with bogus and frivolous
lawsuits. It's all a big game and a fancy extortion racket with the
courts refereeing the shakedown of John Q. Citizen.
So how is everything is costing 30% more, when the sum total of all
judgements is way under 0.1% of the economy?
Are you really as dumb as you look, or did you just think you could
lie and no one would call you on it?
Greg Bernath
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15 Jul 2004 01:58:49 PM |
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"Greg Bernath" <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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is_that_all_there_is@hotmail.com (Dominique D. Desjardins) wrote:
Everything we buy, from apples
to automobiles to insurance is costing us perhaps 30% more because of
the American Trial Lawyers pocketing billions with bogus and frivolous
lawsuits. It's all a big game and a fancy extortion racket with the
courts refereeing the shakedown of John Q. Citizen.
So how is everything is costing 30% more, when the sum total of all
judgements is way under 0.1% of the economy?
Are you really as dumb as you look, or did you just think you could
lie and no one would call you on it?
Couldn't both be true?
Let's hear how "Dominique" defends the part of the Medicare prescription
bill that forbids negotiating lower prices for prescription drugs purchased
in huge supply, as Canada does.
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| User: "Soeur Felicienne Angelica" |
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15 Jul 2004 08:55:45 PM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<JtAJc.62783$WX.7371@attbi_s51>...
"Greg Bernath" <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:h319f0td1ofb22p5skptipedsqkt1vmitq@4ax.com...
is_that_all_there_is@hotmail.com (Dominique D. Desjardins) wrote:
Everything we buy, from apples
to automobiles to insurance is costing us perhaps 30% more because of
the American Trial Lawyers pocketing billions with bogus and frivolous
lawsuits. It's all a big game and a fancy extortion racket with the
courts refereeing the shakedown of John Q. Citizen.
So how is everything is costing 30% more, when the sum total of all
judgements is way under 0.1% of the economy?
Are you really as dumb as you look, or did you just think you could
lie and no one would call you on it?
Couldn't both be true?
Let's hear how "Dominique" defends the part of the Medicare prescription
bill that forbids negotiating lower prices for prescription drugs purchased
in huge supply, as Canada does.
Maybe she'd tell you it's dollar-cost-averaging, Mal. Far better to
engage a huge customer at cut rate prices than lose that customer
altogether. Effectively, those paying top dollar are then subsidizing
those who are getting cut rate prices by virtue of a foreign
governmental entity wielding enormous purchasing power negotiating
those prices down at the ultimate expense of the American retail
buyer. It's not exactly rocket science, dear.
And neither does it follow that these huge pharmaceutical firms using
this common sense business model are thereby screwing the American
public, and largely for the reasons I just stated above. Beyond this,
since Canadian firms dealing in these pharmaceuticals invest almost
nothing in R&D, share none of the liability costs generated by The
American Trial Lawyers Association, this in itself frees up untold
billions of dollars in production and marketing costs which ultimately
have to be absorbed by someone - and that someone, Mal, is us.
Before these drugs are ever put on the market, billions of dollars are
spent by these firms figuring every conceivable angle with respect to
medical liability and other legal exposure in this country. Moreover,
they also have to factor in "actual" legal costs which naturally occur
given the parasitical nature of our legal system. Effectively, it's
now mere overhead and part of the dance. That overhead is not shared
by Canadiens - not a dime of it, dear.
Do these cost have to recovered? You betcha they do, and if they're
not you'll soon be taking aspirin for that serious ear infection. I
will submit to you that the American Trial Lawyers are a far worse
problem here than the pharmaceutical companies are. It's not even
close.
Soeur Felicienne Angelica - Sworn Enemy of "Toe-Tag" Liberals
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13 Jul 2004 07:30:38 PM |
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spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote
in message news:<6ed74dfa.0407121116.6326b36c@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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Spartakus wrote:
[--Who gives a rat's patootie what Ann Coulter says?--]
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Papa Jack wrote:
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
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Spartakus wrote:
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people
who they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president.
They chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
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Papa Jack commented:
Spartakus, if you were really interested in ethics, you
would clarify that this is an online survey rather than
a professional poll.
Go to:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3704453/
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Excerpts:
"MSNBC's online surveys (Live Votes) may reflect the
views of far more individuals, but they are not
necessarily representative of the general population.
[...]
"Additionally, while computer and Internet usage is
growing daily, only 41.5 percent of Americans have
online access at home, according to a study by the
National Telecommunications and Information Adminis-
tration released in October 2000. In contrast, more
than 90 percent of Americans live in homes with a
telephone. The study also shows a disproportionately
higher rate of online access among whites and Asians,
and people with higher incomes and levels of education.
[...]
"But MSNBC's Live Votes are not intended to be a
scientific sample of national opinion. Instead, they
are part of the same interactive dialogue that takes
place in our online chat sessions: a way to share
your views on the news with MSNBC writers and editors
and with your fellow users. Let us know what you think.
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Spartakus wrote:
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of him.
54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the average
person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person?
You guys are Really Stupid to highlight one of Edwards'
strongest points against Cheney.
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Papa Jack replies:
The average person probably has a very poor understanding'
of what trial lawyers really do. Many probably think they
are like Perry Mason or Matlock.
Have you read _The King of Torts_ by John Grisham? It gives
some insight into the sleazy game trial lawyers play.
I'll bet the GOP players are looking forward to the debates
where Edwards will have to answer hard questions in front
of the nation.
As I said before, trial lawyers are to law as abortionists
are to medicene.
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14 Jul 2004 09:46:12 AM |
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(papa jack) enthusiastically hee-hawed...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
(papa jack) wrote:
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people
who they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president.
They chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
Spartakus, if you were really interested in ethics, you
would clarify that this is an online survey rather than
a professional poll.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It WAS a professional poll, jackass!
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2004.htm#Misc
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates
International. July 8-9, 2004. N=1,001 registered voters nationwide.
MoE ± 4.
"If you could vote separately for vice president, would you
be more likely to vote for ***** Cheney, the Republican, or
John Edwards, the Democrat?" Options rotated
Cheney Edwards Neither (vol.) Unsure
41% 52% 2% 5%
"Does John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his vice-
presidential running mate make you more likely or less
likely to vote for Kerry in November -- or does it not
make much difference either way?"
More Likely Less Likely No Difference Unsure
21% 8% 69% 2%
When dining on shoe leather and crow, which fork do you use?
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of
him. 54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the
average person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person?
You guys are Really Stupid to highlight one of Edwards'
strongest points against Cheney.
The average person probably has a very poor understanding'
of what trial lawyers really do. Many probably think they
are like Perry Mason or Matlock.
Have you read _The King of Torts_ by John Grisham? It gives
some insight into the sleazy game trial lawyers play.
Have you read "Four Trials" by John Edwards?
I'll bet the GOP players are looking forward to the debates
where Edwards will have to answer hard questions in front
of the nation.
John Edwards against ***** Cheney? Bring it on! I'd *love* to see
Cheney stammer when asked what he has done on behalf of average
Americans.
As I said before, trial lawyers are to law as abortionists
are to medicene.
Did you know that the Karl Rove-anointed candidate for U.S. Senate
from Florida - Mel Martinez - is a TRIAL LAWYER?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-flawyer07jul07,0,1996315.story?coll=sfla-news-florida
"President Bush and his surrogates invoke greedy trial
lawyers and their zest for junk lawsuits at every
campaign stop. The similarities between Martinez and
Edwards are striking, and a Martinez candidacy would
greatly hamper [the GOP's] ability to present a unified
message ... Quite frankly, sending such blatantly mixed
signals would be bad politics and potentially damaging
to the president." -- Matt William, campaign manager for
Bill McCollum, who is also seeking the GOP nomination
for the Senate race
Hoist. Own. Petard.
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| User: "Teresa" |
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14 Jul 2004 07:32:20 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0407140646.60629b7a@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) enthusiastically hee-hawed...
(Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
True. Kerry and Edwards-The Stepford Ticket!>>>>>>
Better ethics too. The most recent Newsweek poll asked people
who they'd choose if they could vote separately for vice president.
They chose Edwards over Cheney by 52% to 41%.
Spartakus, if you were really interested in ethics, you
would clarify that this is an online survey rather than
a professional poll.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It WAS a professional poll, jackass!
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2004.htm#Misc
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates
International. July 8-9, 2004. N=1,001 registered voters nationwide.
MoE ± 4.
"If you could vote separately for vice president, would you
be more likely to vote for ***** Cheney, the Republican, or
John Edwards, the Democrat?" Options rotated
Cheney Edwards Neither (vol.) Unsure
41% 52% 2% 5%
"Does John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his vice-
presidential running mate make you more likely or less
likely to vote for Kerry in November -- or does it not
make much difference either way?"
More Likely Less Likely No Difference Unsure
21% 8% 69% 2%
When dining on shoe leather and crow, which fork do you use?
And according to a recent Time Magazine poll, only 28.4% say that
Edwards' being a trial lawyer negatively affects their opinion of
him. 54.8% say that background makes them think he fights for the
average person.
How many people think Cheney fights for the average person?
You guys are Really Stupid to highlight one of Edwards'
strongest points against Cheney.
The average person probably has a very poor understanding'
of what trial lawyers really do. Many probably think they
are like Perry Mason or Matlock.
Have you read _The King of Torts_ by John Grisham? It gives
some insight into the sleazy game trial lawyers play.
Have you read "Four Trials" by John Edwards?
I'll bet the GOP players are looking forward to the debates
where Edwards will have to answer hard questions in front
of the nation.
John Edwards against ***** Cheney? Bring it on! I'd *love* to see
Cheney stammer when asked what he has done on behalf of average
Americans.
As I said before, trial lawyers are to law as abortionists
are to medicene.
Did you know that the Karl Rove-anointed candidate for U.S. Senate
from Florida - Mel Martinez - is a TRIAL LAWYER?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-flawyer07jul07,0,1996315.story?coll=sfla-news-florida
"President Bush and his surrogates invoke greedy trial
lawyers and their zest for junk lawsuits at every
campaign stop. The similarities between Martinez and
Edwards are striking, and a Martinez candidacy would
greatly hamper [the GOP's] ability to present a unified
message ... Quite frankly, sending such blatantly mixed
signals would be bad politics and potentially damaging
to the president." -- Matt William, campaign manager for
Bill McCollum, who is also seeking the GOP nomination
for the Senate race
Hoist. Own. Petard.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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08 Jul 2004 04:33:44 PM |
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On 8 Jul 2004 14:02:07 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
__________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
Ah, yes, more of Coulter's deceptive *****, concealing the fact
that Edwards did not act against scientific knowledge or research
extant at the TIME OF THE TRIAL. Was Edwards supposed to see into the
future to find out this stuff?
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
09 Jul 2004 11:00:21 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<3bfre0h3nhpo69tcljr68ib1b34iih76aa@4ax.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
=============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
__________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Ah, yes, more of Coulter's deceptive *****,...
=============================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
Do you realize Ann Coulter "loves" radical liberals like
you, Adam? Folks just like you have made her rich and
famous. By writing the facts about your lop-sided views
of the world and society, she makes people like me keep
buying her books and reading her columns. Really, she's
one of my favorites for that very reason.
Plus, she's talented at making you liberals so angry you
sputter -- and, I think that's funny.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...concealing the fact that Edwards did not act against
scientific knowledge or research extant at the TIME OF
THE TRIAL. Was Edwards supposed to see into the future
to find out this stuff?
=============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
She didn't conceal anything, Adam. What she did was to
describe how Edwards USED "junk science" to convince juries
babies with cerebral palsy would have been spared the
affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed
Caesarean sections.
She quotes Edwards as telling the jury:
"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell
you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this
-- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's
inside me, and she's talking to you."
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
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| User: "Mr. Botox N. Qyaulewards" |
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09 Jul 2004 05:24:32 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0407090800.3d47ca79@posting.google.com>...
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
Speak for yourself, Papa. The thought of a charlatan as President is
scary only to normal people with decent morals and strong values.
However, when it comes to these psychotic leftists, charlatan is
almost a holy word.
They elected one in 1976, another one in 1992, and they're now working
on putting another one in the White House. I just hope they cleaned
those carpets in the Oval Office to get ready for Kerry to work his
"magic." But then, Gigolo John likes the rich ones, so she'll probably
foot the cleanup bill. Hee hee!
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| User: "Adam H." |
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09 Jul 2004 05:35:33 PM |
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On 9 Jul 2004 15:24:32 -0700, (Mr.
Botox N. Qyaulewards) wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0407090800.3d47ca79@posting.google.com>...
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
Speak for yourself, Papa. The thought of a charlatan as President is
scary only to normal people with decent morals and strong values.
However, when it comes to these psychotic leftists, charlatan is
almost a holy word.
They elected one in 1976, another one in 1992, and they're now working
on putting another one in the White House. I just hope they cleaned
those carpets in the Oval Office to get ready for Kerry to work his
"magic." But then, Gigolo John likes the rich ones, so she'll probably
foot the cleanup bill. Hee hee!
I love seeing you make a fool of yourself, mariopatra. I've never
elected any US president, as you've already been told.
BTW, STFU, mariopatra.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Adam H." |
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09 Jul 2004 11:31:00 AM |
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On 9 Jul 2004 09:00:21 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<3bfre0h3nhpo69tcljr68ib1b34iih76aa@4ax.com>...
(papa jack) wrote:
=============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
__________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Ah, yes, more of Coulter's deceptive *****,...
=============================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
Do you realize Ann Coulter "loves" radical liberals like
you, Adam? Folks just like you have made her rich and
famous. By writing the facts about your lop-sided views
of the world and society, she makes people like me keep
buying her books and reading her columns. Really, she's
one of my favorites for that very reason.
Plus, she's talented at making you liberals so angry you
sputter -- and, I think that's funny.
Think what you like, PJ, but I notice that you can't refute the facts
- that Coulter claims that Edwards was being deceptive based on
science that Edwards COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...concealing the fact that Edwards did not act against
scientific knowledge or research extant at the TIME OF
THE TRIAL. Was Edwards supposed to see into the future
to find out this stuff?
Well?
=============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
She didn't conceal anything, Adam. What she did was to
describe how Edwards USED "junk science" to convince juries
babies with cerebral palsy would have been spared the
affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed
Caesarean sections.
She quotes Edwards as telling the jury:
"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell
you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this
-- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's
inside me, and she's talking to you."
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
And yet you *still* cannot address the fact that Coulter is using
findings not yet known against Edwards - a deception. As for Edwards'
statement - it's rhetoric. He didn't claim that as science.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "papa jack" |
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09 Jul 2004 06:18:18 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<2thte09v1auun34ii95iqns2n87pabpjmv@4ax.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<3bfre0h3nhpo69tcljr68ib1b34iih76aa@4ax.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
=============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
__________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Ah, yes, more of Coulter's deceptive *****,...
=============================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
Do you realize Ann Coulter "loves" radical liberals like
you, Adam? Folks just like you have made her rich and
famous. By writing the facts about your lop-sided views
of the world and society, she makes people like me keep
buying her books and reading her columns. Really, she's
one of my favorites for that very reason.
Plus, she's talented at making you liberals so angry you
sputter -- and, I think that's funny.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Think what you like, PJ, but I notice that you can't refute
the facts - that Coulter claims that Edwards was being
deceptive based on science that Edwards COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN.
=============================================================================
Papa Jack explains:
You keep repeating this drivel as though you actually had
a real point to make. Think about it, please.
When Edwards used information to convince a jury they
should punish a physician by taking millions of dollars
and giving it to the patients, that information should
be KNOWN SCIENCE -- not voodoo magic like Edwards sold
the jury in the cases in question. He has a responsi-
bility to present the truth.
I doubt the juries just give the decisions to Edwards'
clients because he had "nice hair." So, let's assume
he presented what the juries thought were scientific
medical "facts" to show that the physicians FAILED to
give proper treatment and immediately performed Caesarean
sections. Remember, he had to be "good enough" to overcome
the opposing arguments by the attorneys for the physicians.
Your contention that "Edwards COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN" is
inane and illogical. He had access to all sorts of expert
advice and he was the lead attorney in multi-million dollar
cases which changed the way medical treatment is provided.
HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO KNOW -- or to make it clear to the
juries that he was simply speculating.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...concealing the fact that Edwards did not act against
scientific knowledge or research extant at the TIME OF
THE TRIAL. Was Edwards supposed to see into the future
to find out this stuff?
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
Well?
=============================================================================
Papa Jack shook his head in disgust:
Knock it off, Adam, or the whole world will realize how
totally stupid you are being in this instance.
Edwards filed suits based on his "theory" that doctors
should rapidly diagnose this problem and immediately
perform the Caesarean sections. The lawsuits would
not have been filed if Edwards didn't propose this
"theory." Now, you want to excuse his fraud by saying
he couldn't have known?????????
=============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
She didn't conceal anything, Adam. What she did was to
describe how Edwards USED "junk science" to convince juries
babies with cerebral palsy would have been spared the
affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed
Caesarean sections.
She quotes Edwards as telling the jury:
"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell
you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this
-- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's
inside me, and she's talking to you."
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
And yet you *still* cannot address the fact that Coulter
is using findings not yet known against Edwards - a decep-
tion....
=============================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
The only deception is your childish claims for this
illogical point. It does not make sense, Adam.
=============================================================================
Adam H. wrote:
...As for Edwards' statement - it's rhetoric. He didn't
claim that as science.
=============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
I don't know what he did. It sounds like a snakeoil
salesman on the back of his wagon to me. This is the
way this man got to be a very wealthy person -- which
is his only real experience. He hasn't even finished
one term as a senator -- and, it's widely believed he
would have had trouble getting reelected as a senator.
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| Title: Re: Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
09 Jul 2004 06:46:35 PM |
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On 9 Jul 2004 16:18:18 -0700, (papa jack)
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
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(papa jack) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
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(papa jack) wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On July 7, 2004, Ann Coulter's column was titled "In
Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy." Go to:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/070704p.htm
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Excerpts:
"...Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he
claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the
doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.
"As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four
times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But
curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies
born with cerebral palsy....
[...]
"...In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent
are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their
babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather
than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
"In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on
behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was
channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was
speaking to the jurors through him:
"'She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a
little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm
having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'
[...]
"'She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right
now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel
her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking
to you."
[...]
"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an
abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why
can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop
spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must
experience interference in channeling the voices of babies
about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to
muffle those voices.
"Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sec-
tions preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the
channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-
breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern
Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton:
They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent
of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the
people.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
Trial lawyers are to the legal profession as abortionist are
to the medical profession.
But, Ann Coulter IS right, Edwards is like a very cute puppy.
And, he DOES have better hair than Chaney.
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Adam H. wrote:
Ah, yes, more of Coulter's deceptive *****,...
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Papa Jack laughed:
Do you realize Ann Coulter "loves" radical liberals like
you, Adam? Folks just like you have made her rich and
famous. By writing the facts about your lop-sided views
of the world and society, she makes people like me keep
buying her books and reading her columns. Really, she's
one of my favorites for that very reason.
Plus, she's talented at making you liberals so angry you
sputter -- and, I think that's funny.
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Adam H. wrote:
Think what you like, PJ, but I notice that you can't refute
the facts - that Coulter claims that Edwards was being
deceptive based on science that Edwards COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN.
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Papa Jack explains:
You keep repeating this drivel as though you actually had
a real point to make. Think about it, please.
When Edwards used information to convince a jury they
should punish a physician by taking millions of dollars
and giving it to the patients, that information should
be KNOWN SCIENCE -- not voodoo magic like Edwards sold
the jury in the cases in question. He has a responsi-
bility to present the truth.
PJ, you are the one who must prove that he was deliberately NOT
presenting the truth as it was known at the time. You cannot use
Coulter's reasoning, since she is using facts that were NOT KNOWN at
the time. He may have been wrong, but I have yet to see you
demonstrate that he should have KNOWN that he was wrong.
I doubt the juries just give the decisions to Edwards'
clients because he had "nice hair." So, let's assume
he presented what the juries thought were scientific
medical "facts" to show that the physicians FAILED to
give proper treatment and immediately performed Caesarean
sections. Remember, he had to be "good enough" to overcome
the opposing arguments by the attorneys for the physicians.
Or perhaps the opposing arguments weren't particularly scientific, PJ.
Again you are drawing conclusions not in evidence. Your willingness to
simply take for granted that Edwards was deliberately lying reveals
your essential agenda - not one of truth, but only 'slinging pig
dirt', as you love to accuse others of doing.
Your contention that "Edwards COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN" is
inane and illogical. He had access to all sorts of expert
advice and he was the lead attorney in multi-million dollar
cases which changed the way medical treatment is provided.
HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO KNOW -- or to make it clear to the
juries that he was simply speculating.
PJ, the FACT remains that the scientific facts used by Coulter to
rebut Edwards claims were not known until AFTER the trials. Your
insistence on demanding that he be clairvoyant is ridiculous. If you
want to claim that he was lying, then I suggest that you show some
evidence. I also suggest that your blind support of Coulter only
serves to point out your intellectual shortcomings.
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Adam H. wrote:
...concealing the fact that Edwards did not act against
scientific knowledge or research extant at the TIME OF
THE TRIAL. Was Edwards supposed to see into the future
to find out this stuff?
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Adam H. wrote:
Well?
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Papa Jack shook his head in disgust:
Knock it off, Adam, or the whole world will realize how
totally stupid you are being in this instance.
Ah, yes. Suddenly *I'm* being 'stupid' when I point out that
castigating Edwards over facts he could not have even known is in
itself of no value. Is there something about the errancy of that
action that you have trouble comprehending?
Tell me, what will your *next* so- compelling argument be? Will it be
another asinine remark about menstruation?
Edwards filed suits based on his "theory" that doctors
should rapidly diagnose this problem and immediately
perform the Caesarean sections. The lawsuits would
not have been filed if Edwards didn't propose this
"theory." Now, you want to excuse his fraud by saying
he couldn't have known?????????
Still waiting for you to prove the 'fraud', PJ. Perhaps the defense
should have acted a little more expeditiously to point out the flaws
in Edwards argument at the time. If they couldn't prove fraud I
suggest that accusing him of it is simply sour grapes on your and
Coulter's part.
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Papa Jack commented:
She didn't conceal anything, Adam. What she did was to
describe how Edwards USED "junk science" to convince juries
babies with cerebral palsy would have been spared the
affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed
Caesarean sections.
She quotes Edwards as telling the jury:
"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell
you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this
-- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's
inside me, and she's talking to you."
That's the words of a charlatan, Adam. Hardly someone
we'd want as our President.
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Adam H. wrote:
And yet you *still* cannot address the fact that Coulter
is using findings not yet known against Edwards - a decep-
tion....
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Papa Jack laughed:
The only deception is your childish claims for this
illogical point. It does not make sense, Adam.
Yes, it does. Coulter is using facts that Edwards could not have known
against his past actions. That's sleazy, at best. Your support of her
is of exactly the same quality.
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Adam H. wrote:
...As for Edwards' statement - it's rhetoric. He didn't
claim that as science.
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Papa Jack commented:
I don't know what he did. It sounds like a snakeoil
salesman on the back of his wagon to me. This is the
way this man got to be a very wealthy person -- which
is his only real experience. He hasn't even finished
one term as a senator -- and, it's widely believed he
would have had trouble getting reelected as a senator.
Irrelevant. Now, you made some claims of fraud, so I look forward to
your evidence. If you don't have any don't expect a response.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| Title: Re: Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
20 Jul 2004 10:25:57 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On 9 Jul 2004 16:18:18 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
You keep repeating this drivel as though you actually had
a real point to make. Think about it, please.
When Edwards used information to convince a jury they
should punish a physician by taking millions of dollars
and giving it to the patients, that information should
be KNOWN SCIENCE -- not voodoo magic like Edwards sold
the jury in the cases in question. He has a responsi-
bility to present the truth.
My favorite scientist, Robert Park, agrees:
'For twenty years John Edwards worked as a highly successful trial lawyer
representing those he refers to as "regular people" in personal injury
cases. A WorldNetDaily article this week says he "financed his political
career by winning legal cases based on junk science," cerebral palsy cases
in particular. Increasingly, medical science is exonerating doctors in
cerebral palsy. The question is: what did Edwards know and when did he know
it? Two studies in 2003, according to WorldNetDaily, undermined Edward's
premise. But by then he had been in the Senate for four years.'
http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn070904.cfm
PJ, you are the one who must prove that he was deliberately NOT
presenting the truth as it was known at the time. You cannot use
Coulter's reasoning, since she is using facts that were NOT KNOWN at
the time. He may have been wrong, but I have yet to see you
demonstrate that he should have KNOWN that he was wrong.
Exactly. If the 2003 studies had been available when Edwards was practicing
law, the other side would also have known about them and used them against
him. Duh.
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| Title: Re: Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
22 Jul 2004 08:01:56 AM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<9QaLc.108106$WX.43514@attbi_s51>...
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:4faue09bqbua8pficcalo14m3eq2nmq28g@4ax.com...
On 9 Jul 2004 16:18:18 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
You keep repeating this drivel as though you actually had
a real point to make. Think about it, please.
When Edwards used information to convince a jury they
should punish a physician by taking millions of dollars
and giving it to the patients, that information should
be KNOWN SCIENCE -- not voodoo magic like Edwards sold
the jury in the cases in question. He has a responsi-
bility to present the truth.
My favorite scientist, Robert Park, agrees:
'For twenty years John Edwards worked as a highly successful trial lawyer
representing those he refers to as "regular people" in personal injury
cases. A WorldNetDaily article this week says he "financed his political
career by winning legal cases based on junk science," cerebral palsy cases
in particular. Increasingly, medical science is exonerating doctors in
cerebral palsy. The question is: what did Edwards know and when did he know
it? Two studies in 2003, according to WorldNetDaily, undermined Edward's
premise. But by then he had been in the Senate for four years.'
http://www.aps.org/WN/WN04/wn070904.cfm
PJ, you are the one who must prove that he was deliberately NOT
presenting the truth as it was known at the time. You cannot use
Coulter's reasoning, since she is using facts that were NOT KNOWN at
the time. He may have been wrong, but I have yet to see you
demonstrate that he should have KNOWN that he was wrong.
Exactly. If the 2003 studies had been available when Edwards was practicing
law, the other side would also have known about them and used them against
him. Duh.
So, for Edwards, physicians were guilty until proven innocent and that's okay?
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| Title: Re: Coulter: "Kerry Adopts Puppy" |
22 Jul 2004 12:36:08 PM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Exactly. If the 2003 studies had been available when Edwards was
practicing
law, the other side would also have known about them and used them
against
him. Duh.
So, for Edwards, physicians were guilty until proven innocent and that's
okay?
Are you trying to make sense? Because that's a really dumb statement. To
give another example, before DNA testing was known, a lot of people were
convicted of crimes based on the best possible CURRENT knowledge. They
weren't "guilty until proven innocent"; they were found guilty based on a
sincere appraisal of what was known at the time. It's not "okay", but -
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