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"papa jack" |
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17 Jun 2004 12:11:49 PM |
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Court Says Viable Fetus is a Person |
On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
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Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ‘viable' — capable of surviving out-
side the womb — and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person — and its death not a homicide — until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ‘Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ‘from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ‘prematurely' approving the definition
‘would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
This is a small step forward -- but, it is a step forward.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Court Says Viable Fetus is a Person |
17 Jun 2004 09:50:54 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0406170911.120b285c@posting.google.com...
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
This is a small step forward -- but, it is a step forward.
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What steps has the court taken to help find adoptive homes for the thousands
of unwanted children NOW if foster care?
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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| Title: Re: Court Says Viable Fetus is a Person |
17 Jun 2004 01:02:58 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0406170911.120b285c@posting.google.com:
On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ‘viable' — capable of surviving out-
side the womb — and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person — and its death not a homicide — until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ‘Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ‘from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ‘prematurely' approving the definition
‘would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know it.
This is a small step forward -- but, it is a step forward.
Perhaps, in your small mind.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Court Says Viable Fetus is a Person |
18 Jun 2004 05:36:28 PM |
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Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ?viable' ? capable of surviving out-
side the womb ? and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person ? and its death not a homicide ? until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ?Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ?from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ?prematurely' approving the definition
?would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
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Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we
all know it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and
review some of the abortion industry prop-
aganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds
http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation
http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers
http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine
http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute
http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice
http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute
http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council
http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund
raising and politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to
them by the abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Court Says Viable Fetus is a Person |
18 Jun 2004 05:42:24 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0406181436.76a25b28@posting.google.com...
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ?viable' ? capable of surviving out-
side the womb ? and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person ? and its death not a homicide ? until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ?Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ?from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ?prematurely' approving the definition
?would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
===========================================================================
Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we
all know it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and
review some of the abortion industry prop-
aganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds
http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation
http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers
http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine
http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute
http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice
http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute
http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council
http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund
raising and politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to
them by the abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
Most of these abortion groups are all about money.
They claim they care about women, they don't. They care
about getting their money.
Pro-aborts exploit women, lie to women, and make up excuses to
justify abortion. It is all about the money.
How many of these pro-choicers do you see out there trying to help women
who may be struggling?
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering financial aid to women
who choose to not abort?
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering their time to possibly
help watch their children, or feed them, cloth them...while the young mother
may be going to school?
I don't see any
It is smoke and mirrors with many of these pro-choicers.
They lie when they say they care about choice. They don't care about choice
at all.
They care about pushing women to these abortion mills.
Abortionist are no different than mafia hit men.
Like the mafia hit man, they are paid to complete a contract.
A contract would be a killing.
Women pay these abortionist to kill their unborn.
Pro-choicers don't care about women at all. They never did.
How many pro-choicers do you see helping women?
Answer: None
How many do you see pushing abortion?
Too many
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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18 Jun 2004 09:33:13 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:a4KdnT7InZgw8k7dRVn-gg@comcast.com...
We can say the SAME thing about anti-choice groups.....
Most of these birth clininic are all about money.
They claim they care about women, they don't. They care
about getting their money.
Birth centers exploit women, lie to women, and make up excuses to
justify their having an unwanted child. It is all about the money.
$$ Do you know any Drs, hospitals and birth centers who DON'T CHARGE or
make money on women giving birth? Please post the list here.
How many of these pro-choicers do you see out there trying to help women
who may be struggling?
$$ How many are struggling when NOT encumbered with unwanted kids? Very
few and YES, I already took two single women in and allowed them to stay
until they got on their feet. How many struggling women did YOU take in?
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering financial aid to women
who choose to not abort?
$$ Why should we? We're not the ones coercing her to have the unwanted
child she cannot afford = YOU ARE! Since you feel she should have a child
no matter how dire her circumstances, then YOU should be the one to open
your wallet.
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering their time to possibly
help watch their children, or feed them, cloth them...while the young
mother
may be going to school?
I don't see any
$$ Why should we? We're not the ones coercing her to have the unwanted
child she cannot afford = YOU ARE! Since you feel she should have a child
no matter how dire her circumstances, then YOU should be the one to give up
your free time. Why don't you?
It is smoke and mirrors with many of these pro-choicers.
They lie when they say they care about choice. They don't care about
choice
at all.
They care about pushing women to these abortion mills.
$$ Why? How does that benefit US? How is that costing YOU?
Abortionist are no different than mafia hit men.
$$ Mafia hit men remove unwanted zygotes and fetuses now? They used to
just kill adults, mainly other criminals....
<your usual anti-choice, misogynist ***** snipped>
--
FP.....
For those seeking the real truth - evolution/magic creation:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://talkorigins.org/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#pred4
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html
<>
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| User: "Ron Nicholson" |
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18 Jun 2004 10:45:27 PM |
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In article <a4KdnT7InZgw8k7dRVn-gg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Most of these abortion groups are all about money.
They claim they care about women, they don't. They care
about getting their money.
Pro-aborts exploit women, lie to women, and make up excuses to
justify abortion. It is all about the money.
How many of these pro-choicers do you see out there trying to help women
who may be struggling?
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering financial aid to women
who choose to not abort?
I don't see any
How many of these pro-choicers do you see offering their time to possibly
help watch their children, or feed them, cloth them...while the young mother
may be going to school?
I don't see any
It is smoke and mirrors with many of these pro-choicers.
They lie when they say they care about choice. They don't care about choice
at all.
They care about pushing women to these abortion mills.
Abortionist are no different than mafia hit men.
Like the mafia hit man, they are paid to complete a contract.
A contract would be a killing.
Women pay these abortionist to kill their unborn.
Pro-choicers don't care about women at all. They never did.
How many pro-choicers do you see helping women?
Answer: None
How many do you see pushing abortion?
Too many
Opsrey there is a very distinct difference between giving your opinion
of what you think about abortion and making accusations. I particularly
resent your claims generally, or applying them specifically.
Just as one example, please demonstrate that pro-choicers do not help
women.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Jun 2004 11:41:38 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Most of these abortion groups are all about money.
Being a greedy control freak is only bad when OTHER people do it, and
not when lying hypcorites like Heishman and Jackass do it.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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18 Jun 2004 09:23:25 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund
raising and politics -- like other large industries.
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No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh? Would you feel better
if abortions were all FREE?
--
FP....
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not
based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
~ Carl Sagan ~
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| User: "Bob" |
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18 Jun 2004 10:03:05 PM |
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"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote in
news:XLGdnTxg0rA8Pk7d4p2dnA@heartoftn.net:
"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund raising and politics
-- like other large industries.
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No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh? Would you feel
better if abortions were all FREE?
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite in these ngs.
There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion industry". He and other anti-
choice loons use that term falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further
their unjust cause.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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18 Jun 2004 10:48:48 PM |
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"Bob" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns950CCBF7D1CDBSD@68.6.19.6...
"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote in
news:XLGdnTxg0rA8Pk7d4p2dnA@heartoftn.net:
"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund raising and politics
-- like other large industries.
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No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh? Would you feel
better if abortions were all FREE?
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite in these ngs.
There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion industry". He and other anti-
choice loons use that term falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further
their unjust cause.
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Thanks for the info! I was wondering about this "industry" he keeps talking
about.
--
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Jun 2004 11:42:28 PM |
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Flower Power <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote:
"Bob" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns950CCBF7D1CDBSD@68.6.19.6...
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite in these ngs.
There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion industry". He and other anti-
choice loons use that term falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further
their unjust cause.
Thanks for the info! I was wondering about this "industry" he keeps talking
about.
Time for a periodic repost...
Jackass, as revealed by his own words.
He _claims_ he wants to debate ...
I am always willing to debate,
Papa Jackass in <3380A603.1189@express-news.net>
But whenever challenged he runs away. Maybe he means that only
_other_ people are expected to debate.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Papa Jackass in <31E7BC11.674F@express-news.net>
Jackass is a known liar, but then, he's already pretty much admitted
as much.
When you can't meet someone in honest debate, you run around
spreading total, complete lies about them.
Papa Jackass in <331518B2.3221@express-news.net>
And his typical reaction when he's inevitably revealed to be a liar
and a hypocrite?
K I S S M Y A S S!!!! D I D Y O U U N D E R S T A N D
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W H A T I S A I D? K I S S M Y A S S.
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Papa Jackass in <31FFC35F.4D2A@express-news.net>
The question people ask after reading Jackass's contributions?
But WHY do YOU prefer to attack the person rather than the
argument
Papa Jackass in <3213893E.1DD7@express-news.net>
But he's answered that question too.
You have no interest in abortion issues. You are a little boy
running around agitating both sides.
Papa Jackass in <330A415B.2497@express-news.net>
Of course, he needs to pretend to be interested in the debate so that
people just don't ignore him for the amoral old fool that he is.
And so he'll periodically claim that he's interested in debate.
I prefer to discuss things at the adult level,
Papa Jackass in <3377230D.4EA3@express-news.net>
Alas, such claims are never backed up with actual debate. What we get
instead is ...
Society has no responsibility to make sure you can safely
screw around on your husband, MINXS. If you want to be a *****
and jump from bed to bed, why bother to get married?
Papa Jackass in <3495FB4F.C35ACEDE@express-news.net>
Once again, we see Mark proving that he is the stinkinest
***** on talk.abortion. Ray gives him a close run, but I'm
going to award the AH Award to Mark. He is a totally pathetic
excuse for a human being.
Papa Jackass in <3359AD8D.1EBA@express-news.net>
And then again those sort of insults followed with another pretense of
moral superiority.
Now if you want to play with the big boys and girls, clean up your
language, cut out the shock tactics, treat others religious beliefs
(or lack thereof) with reasonable respect, and try logic versus
bluster and noise.
Papa Jackass in <34F5F0C8.25EA0A32@geocities.com>
Which leads people to wonder which part of ...
Ah, I finally found how to get your attention. Guess I'll
have to call you Fuckface, *****, and limpdick more often,
Papa Jackass in <335483D4.3238@express-news.net>
Constitutes "reasonable respect". Who knows. Ethics and morality
seem to have no relevance to the world of Jackass.
Please note that I deleted a number of words in several of
Ray's statements without showing the editing. This, of
course, changed the meaning of what he said in a dishonest
and false way.
Papa Jackass in <3245F156.1BEF@express-news.net>
Sometimes he''l even demonstrate hypocrisy in a single sentence.
Gosh, Paul, I never pictured you as being into totally illogical and
overripe emotionalism -- or, are you just pandering?
Papa Jackass in <34B8534B.9E3D6A7D@geocities.com>
Sometimes he acts reasonable ...
You must do more than make edicts -- you must persuade with
logic, facts, figures, expert opinion -- you know, evidence
and "stuff" like that.
Papa Jackass in <31FBAD5A.526F@express-news.net>
Only to revert to a more typical behavior.
Second, why should I apologize for calling a ***** what
he really is. You and I both know Mark is one of the most
cold-blooded and vicious human beings on the newsgroups.
Papa Jackass in <336E66C7.7D89@express-news.net>
I am demonstrating for all to read that you are a toothless
*****. I am insulting you several times a day and there's not
a damn thing you can do about it but run around trying to
bluff me.
Papa Jackass in <33935ACD.5C32@express-news.net>
But there _is_ an explanation.
See, you just make up slurs like this out of whole cloth
and sling them around like mud and manure. You have no
basis for what you say, you just figure it will make
the Pro-[Choice] side look bad, so you say it. Can you
spell sleeze? How about crap?
Papa Jackass in <32019770.29AC@express-news.net>
I feel free to say you are STILL SPREADING DISTORTIONS AND
LIES. But what else is new?
Papa Jackass in <32019770.29AC@express-news.net>
Once again [Jackass] demonstrates that words like "integrity," "truth,"
"fairness," and "decency" have no place in his world. He, of course
is a total sleazebag who will say anything to smear his opponents.
Papa Jackass in <3384DECE.31F5@express-news.net>
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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22 Jun 2004 04:11:53 PM |
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Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
in message news:<Xns950CCBF7D1CDBSD@68.6.19.6>...
"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote:
"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
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[snip]
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Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we
all know it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and
review some of the abortion industry prop-
aganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds
http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation
http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers
http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine
http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute
http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice
http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute
http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council
http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund
raising and politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to
them by the abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
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Flower Power wrote:
No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh?
Would you feel better if abortions were all FREE?
===========================================================================
Bob wrote:
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite
in these ngs. There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion
industry". He and other anti-choice loons use that term
falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further their unjust
cause.
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Papa Jack asked:
What do you call the 12 organizations I listed above? They
often work together and go to court together to file suits
against any laws which place ANY limits or checks on
abortion "chop shops."
Bob, seems to think that if he delets the organizations I
list that no one will notice and he can deny they exist.
Bob thinks our readers are really stupid and easy to fool.
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0406221311.16dac74e@posting.google.com:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
in message news:<Xns950CCBF7D1CDBSD@68.6.19.6>...
"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote:
"papa jack" < > wrote in message
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
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Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know
it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and
review some of the abortion industry prop- aganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund raising and
politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to them by the
abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
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Flower Power wrote:
No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh?
Would you feel better if abortions were all FREE?
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Bob wrote:
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite
in these ngs. There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion
industry". He and other anti-choice loons use that term
falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further their unjust cause.
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Papa Jack asked:
What do you call the 12 organizations I listed above? They
often work together and go to court together to file suits
against any laws which place ANY limits or checks on
abortion "chop shops."
Bob, seems to think that if he delets the organizations I
list that no one will notice and he can deny they exist.
Bob thinks our readers are really stupid and easy to fool.
No, just you PJ, just you.
Good thing we all know you for what you really are, a consumate liar and a
foolish anti-choice zealot.
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23 Jun 2004 04:50:44 PM |
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Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9510D873A7DE7SD@68.6.19.6>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
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[snip]
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Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know
it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and
review some of the abortion industry propaganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds
http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation
http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers
http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine
http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute
http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice
http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute
http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council
http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund raising and
politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to them by the
abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
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Flower Power wrote:
No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh?
Would you feel better if abortions were all FREE?
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Bob wrote:
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite
in these ngs. There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion
industry". He and other anti-choice loons use that term
falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further their unjust
cause.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
What do you call the 12 organizations I listed above? They
often work together and go to court together to file suits
against any laws which place ANY limits or checks on
abortion "chop shops."
Bob, seems to think that if he delets the organizations I
list that no one will notice and he can deny they exist.
Bob thinks our readers are really stupid and easy to fool.
=========================================================================
Bob wrote:
No, just you PJ, just you.
Good thing we all know you for what you really are,
a consumate liar and a foolish anti-choice zealot.
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Papa Jack laughed:
And how many times do you think you must repeat such
a lie before the "masses" start to believe you?
I notice how you refuse to address the points I made.
You said there is no abortion industry. I listed 12
organizations with URLs which indicate there is an
abortion industry. But, all you do is call me a liar
and an anti-choice zealot.
Do you ever deal with facts, or do you always just
run around slinging pig dirt everywhere?
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23 Jun 2004 09:34:39 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0406231350.34375e8e@posting.google.com:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9510D873A7DE7SD@68.6.19.6>...
(papa jack) wrote:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Flower Power" <womenFIRST@net.com> wrote:
Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote
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[snip]
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Bob wrote:
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know
it.
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Papa Jack observed:
Do you want to see what I call the Abortion
Industry? Go to the following web pages and review some of the
abortion industry propaganda:
National Network of Abortion Funds
http://www.nnaf.org/
National Abortion Federation
http://www.prochoice.org/
National Coalition of Abortion Providers http://www.ncap.com/
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
http://www.arhp.org/
Abortion Clinics OnLine
http://www.gynpages.com/
Planned Parenthood
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Alan Guttmacher Institute
http://www.agi-usa.org/
Medical Students for Choice
http://www.ms4c.org/
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
http://www.naral.org/
The National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org/
The Othmer Institute
http://www.othmerinstitute.org/
The Population Council
http://www.popcouncil.org/
Do a bit of homework, visiting some of these sites.
Learn the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar
highly organized group of associations for fund raising and
politics -- like other large industries.
If you read the propaganda, you will see where our
PAR friends get their bumper sticker mentality.
They are just parroting what has been spoon fed to them by the
abortion industry.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
=========================================================================
Flower Power wrote:
No different than 99% of the churches out there, eh?
Would you feel better if abortions were all FREE?
=========================================================================
Bob wrote:
Don't be misled by PJ, who is a known liar and hypocrite
in these ngs. There is not, nor ever was, an "abortion
industry". He and other anti-choice loons use that term
falsely in an unsuccessful attempt to further their unjust cause.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
What do you call the 12 organizations I listed above? They
often work together and go to court together to file suits
against any laws which place ANY limits or checks on abortion "chop
shops."
Bob, seems to think that if he delets the organizations I list that
no one will notice and he can deny they exist.
Bob thinks our readers are really stupid and easy to fool.
=========================================================================
Bob wrote:
No, just you PJ, just you.
Good thing we all know you for what you really are, a consumate liar
and a foolish anti-choice zealot.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
And how many times do you think you must repeat such
a lie before the "masses" start to believe you?
I notice how you refuse to address the points I made.
You said there is no abortion industry. I listed 12
organizations with URLs which indicate there is an
abortion industry. But, all you do is call me a liar
and an anti-choice zealot.
Do you ever deal with facts, or do you always just
run around slinging pig dirt everywhere?
Only at pigs like you, PJ.
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19 Jun 2004 01:16:04 PM |
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Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know it.
Really, Bob? Are we to conclude from your remarks that over one
million abortions taking place every year in this country are being
done with coat hangers in private homes? Those clinics do what, Bob?
Hold prayer sessions for pregnant women?
And what is Planned Parenthood doing, Bob? Oh, merely advising and
guiding pregnant women as to their options? Well, gee, that's what the
Catholic church does, too. Does that mean there is therefore no
Catholic church? Sheesh!
GGG
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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19 Jun 2004 08:39:33 PM |
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"Gretchen G. Gottschalk" <gretchen@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in
message news:9d850a1a.0406191016.7f4ed09@posting.google.com...
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know it.
Really, Bob? Are we to conclude from your remarks that over one
million abortions taking place every year in this country are being
done with coat hangers in private homes? Those clinics do what, Bob?
Hold prayer sessions for pregnant women?
## What's the difference if it's an Industry or not? Birth clinics and
maternity wards are also Industries - so? As long as they make abortion
safe and they do. Isn't that better than the coat-hangers in dirty
basements like before Roe V Wade?
And what is Planned Parenthood doing, Bob? Oh, merely advising and
guiding pregnant women as to their options?
## Are they drugging women and forcing abortions on them?
Well, gee, that's what the
Catholic church does, too. Does that mean there is therefore no
Catholic church? Sheesh!
GGG
## The Catholic Church with is well known pedophile problem can't talk.....
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
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19 Jun 2004 07:42:09 PM |
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(Gretchen G. Gottschalk) wrote in
news:9d850a1a.0406191016.7f4ed09@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know it.
Really, Bob? Are we to conclude from your remarks that over one
million abortions taking place every year in this country are being
done with coat hangers in private homes? Those clinics do what, Bob?
Hold prayer sessions for pregnant women?
There is no "abortion industry". It's all in your sick mind.
And what is Planned Parenthood doing, Bob? Oh, merely advising and
guiding pregnant women as to their options?
Yes, providing reproductive information and advice is one of their primary
functions.
Well, gee, that's what the
Catholic church does, too.
Yes, I am sure the catholic church provides *all* of the truthful
information a woman faced with an unwanted or medically threatened
pregnancy. Not.
Does that mean there is therefore no
Catholic church? Sheesh!
Yes, there certainly is. Just ask the young children who are molested by
the catholic priests.
GGG
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19 Jun 2004 02:36:02 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2004 11:16:04 -0700,
(Gretchen G. Gottschalk) wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns950B70669BDF8SD@153.80.109.11>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
More lies, PJ? There is no "abortion industry" and we all know it.
Really, Bob? Are we to conclude from your remarks that over one
million abortions taking place every year in this country are being
done with coat hangers in private homes? Those clinics do what, Bob?
Hold prayer sessions for pregnant women?
And what is Planned Parenthood doing, Bob? Oh, merely advising and
guiding pregnant women as to their options? Well, gee, that's what the
Catholic church does, too. Does that mean there is therefore no
Catholic church? Sheesh!
GGG
Congratulations - you've just confirmed that the Catholic church is an
industry, just as we all suspected.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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17 Jun 2004 04:11:04 PM |
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In article <bd9f1f6b.0406170911.120b285c@posting.google.com>,
(papa jack) wrote:
On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
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Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ‘viable' — capable of surviving out-
side the womb — and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person — and its death not a homicide — until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ‘Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ‘from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ‘prematurely' approving the definition
‘would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
What truth? How does the Kentucky Supreme Court define the term
"wrongful killing" and where in that court's decision does it
say that a woman's rights are superseded by a fetus that she carries?
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17 Jun 2004 08:13:08 PM |
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On 17 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
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Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ‘viable' — capable of surviving out-
side the womb — and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person — and its death not a homicide — until
a live birth occurred.
"Writing for the majority, Justice William Cooper said medical
science had advanced to the point that fetal viability was as
provable as birth or stillbirth. ‘Thus the rationale for the
'born alive' rule no longer exists,' Cooper wrote.
[...]
"The new fetal homicide law defines "unborn child" as a member
of the human species ‘from conception onward.' But the justices
declined to stretch that definition to cover all deaths in the
womb. Cooper wrote that ‘prematurely' approving the definition
‘would pre-empt a potential 'void for vagueness' challenge to
the statute, essentially declaring it constitutional without
benefit of either briefs or arguments.'
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
This is a small step forward -- but, it is a step forward.
Hmm. The fetal homicide law passed by the legislature claimed 'from
conception onward', the court restricted it to viable fetuses, and PJ
claims a victory for his side?
-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
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17 Jun 2004 09:53:15 PM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:6ag4d0lini1pfthud5olkbds9d9g55r7v0@4ax.com...
Hmm. The fetal homicide law passed by the legislature claimed 'from
conception onward', the court restricted it to viable fetuses, and PJ
claims a victory for his side?
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I would like to know who is on the side of the unwanted children already
born and in desperate need. Where are the fundy anti-choicers fighting for
these unfortunate kids? They never mention them!
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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24 Jun 2004 04:06:36 PM |
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Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote in message news:<6ag4d0lini1pfthud5olkbds9d9g55r7v0@4ax.com>...
On 17 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
This is a small step forward -- but, it is a step forward.
Hmm. The fetal homicide law passed by the legislature claimed 'from
conception onward', the court restricted it to viable fetuses, and PJ
claims a victory for his side?
I actually don't see how this rulling is any different than the 73 SC
rulling; both resolve to viability.
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18 Jun 2004 12:29:38 AM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 06/17/2004 the AP posted an article by Charles Wolfe titled:
"Court Discards 'Born Alive' Rule, Says 'Viable' Fetus Is A Person."
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D838QI700.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fetus is a
person as long as it is ‘viable' — capable of surviving out-
side the womb — and its wrongful killing can be prosecuted
as a homicide. The court discarded its longheld rule that a
fetus was not a person — and its death not a homicide — until
a live birth occurred.
Do we think that Jackass will compalin about activist judges making
their own laws?
Not hardly.
And how does one determine if a fetus is viable?
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Again and again we see the TRUTH catching up with the standard
myths of the abortion industry.
Jackass thinks that people are stupid enough to believe his every lie.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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