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Craig Chilton says "I can SEE"!! |
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com>
Newsgroups: alt.abortion,talk.abortion
Subject: Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian but he supports abortion
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:49:46 -0700
Jesus understood the Jewish laws of the Torah, and in fact taught the
Old testament openly in the Holy temple in Jerusalem. Jesus agreed with
everything in the Scriptures. And why shouldn't He, since being Jehovah
God in the flesh, He indeed wrote it. The Lord God Jehovah says He knew
you while you were yet in the womb.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m137.jpg
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and that we
are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
His worldly reasoning for support of either sin is irrevelent. God
said it in His word. That settles it.
Craig Chilton is a false Christian. You see.... most abortion and
homosexual supporters are blind, but they just don't know it yet. But
Craig Chilton.... by claiming to be a believer, he says that he can
SEE! If he ever was a believer, he is an apostate of hell now.
Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian.
Obviously, God does not agree with Craig Chilton.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
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13 Jul 2005 10:12:19 AM |
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Certified loon and admitted pedophile "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com> AKA
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1121244922.594038.64900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Craig Chilton is a false Christian.
Oh, the irony:
"IBen (I don't question God...I just use 'em how ever I need to)Getiner"
From: (IBen Getiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: 6 Mar 2005 01:55:01 -0800
Message-ID:
"How ever you need Him"? That speaks volume about YOUR faux faith, eh?
If he ever was a believer, he is an apostate of hell now.
"I'm no Grand Wizard. Although I did meet him and speak to him on several
occasions back during my first days with his ... organization. See,
azzhole... they all wear business suites now-days. Makes it so much easier
to watch the other's backs."~ From: (IBen Getiner)
Date: 03 Aug 2004 09:04:12 GMT
Message-ID: <20040803050412.23098.00002844@mb-m07.aol.com>
"Every damned day when I get out of bed, I offer up praise and song to
the Good Lord above for sending AIDS.
And let's not forget the marvelous effect HIV is having on our
charming and selfless black community.... They're coming down with it
in droves."
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403150031.a9bbc9b@posting.google.com>
If there is a 'God' and 'Satan', you'll be the guest of dishonor at the BBQ
in the lower level, IBenAHypocrite.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
Umm, speaking of "liars", "J/IBen":
"I'd love to finish this discussion but I
have a flight to catch. Be back this weekend."
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood's Christmas Card
Date: 12 Jul 2005 10:29:50 -0700
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From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com>
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Must have missed your plane, eh schizotroll? <BFG>
LC~ Crazy 'lil J/IBen just keeps setting himself up for humiliation.
"***** you, IBen/JYoung. You're too busy devising forged identities to
hide behind. As for "freedom of choice", the court found that the
young woman had miscarried as a result of being physically assaulted by
her boyfriend. So, ***** you again, IBen/JYoung. Don't bother
attempting to connect the dots into a CLUE that eluded you the first
time around - do the net a favor and drown yourself in a pool of your
own vomit."
From: "spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com>
Message-ID: <1118245740.522659.223560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
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| Title: Re: Craig Chilton says "I can SEE"!! |
13 Jul 2005 03:45:25 PM |
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IBen Getiner wrote:
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com>
Newsgroups: alt.abortion,talk.abortion
Subject: Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian but he supports abortion
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:49:46 -0700
Jesus understood the Jewish laws of the Torah, and in fact taught the
Old testament openly in the Holy temple in Jerusalem. Jesus agreed with
everything in the Scriptures. And why shouldn't He, since being Jehovah
God in the flesh, He indeed wrote it. The Lord God Jehovah says He knew
you while you were yet in the womb.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m137.jpg
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and that we
are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
His worldly reasoning for support of either sin is irrevelent. God
said it in His word. That settles it.
Craig Chilton is a false Christian. You see.... most abortion and
homosexual supporters are blind, but they just don't know it yet. But
Craig Chilton.... by claiming to be a believer, he says that he can
SEE! If he ever was a believer, he is an apostate of hell now.
Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian.
Obviously, God does not agree with Craig Chilton.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
Your entire post is an exercise in the "True Scotsman" fallacy. Craig
is a Christian because he says that he is a Christian. This is an
example of stating a belief system, and nobody has the right to gainsay
whether or not that person belongs to the beliefs system that he or she
states that he or she believes in.
What's more, not every denomination of Christianity subscribes to your
narrow-minded and prejudicial views.
That being said, what makes you think that you have the right to demand
that everyone else follow your beliefs instead of their own? I have no
trouble with either abortion or homosexuality, and I also support the
right of homosexuals to get married if they so desire to the consenting
adult of his or her choice. In both cases, it is the individual
managing his or her own life.
So, what gives you the right to demand that others follow your bigotry?
Your church will not be forced to perform any homosexual weddings, so
that cannot be it. You cannot state that your beliefs are superior to
everyone else's, since all beliefs are treated the same in this
country, so that is not it. Abortion is not murder, no matter what
your opinion states, so that cannot be it. And homosexuals and
homosexual marriage will have no effect on your life or your marriage,
so that cannot be it.
Quite frankly, I cannot think of a single reason why anyone should pay
any attention to your narrow-minded bigotry, or why you should be able
to demand that women not get abortions that they desire or homosexuals
not be allowed to marry the consenting adult of his or her choice.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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14 Jul 2005 02:07:10 AM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
IBen Getiner wrote:
Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian.
Obviously, God does not agree with Craig Chilton.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
Your entire post is an exercise in the "True Scotsman" fallacy.
There is no evidence that Craig follows any of the main tenets of
Christian doctrine. There is evidence that he denies them.
Craig
is a Christian because he says that he is a Christian.
That's not what makes someone a Christian. Sorry.
This is an
example of stating a belief system, and nobody has the right to gainsay
whether or not that person belongs to the beliefs system that he or she
states that he or she believes in.
Yes they do. They have the absolute right to state, unequivocally,
that one is acting in violation of one's supposed belief system by
examining the belief system and comparing the claimant's statements and
behaviors to it.
Craig may claim that he is a Florida orange. For all intents and
purposes this would be more believable than his claims to follow Jesus
Christ.
What's more, not every denomination of Christianity subscribes to your
narrow-minded and prejudicial views.
If they do not subscribe to the Bible then they are not Christians.
If Craig does not subscribe to the Bible, and has said elsewhere that
he does not, he is not a Christian.
It ain't rocket science.
That being said, what makes you think that you have the right to demand
that everyone else follow your beliefs instead of their own?
I didn't see any demands in his post. He made a series of judgement
calls. He is allowed to do so.
<clip>
Quite frankly, I cannot think of a single reason why anyone should pay
any attention to your narrow-minded bigotry,
Then don't. ***** off and unwad your panties while you're at it.
--S
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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15 Jul 2005 11:30:50 AM |
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Sneechres wrote:
Mark Sebree wrote:
IBen Getiner wrote:
Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian.
Obviously, God does not agree with Craig Chilton.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
Your entire post is an exercise in the "True Scotsman" fallacy.
There is no evidence that Craig follows any of the main tenets of
Christian doctrine. There is evidence that he denies them.
Craig
is a Christian because he says that he is a Christian.
That's not what makes someone a Christian. Sorry.
This is an
example of stating a belief system, and nobody has the right to gainsay
whether or not that person belongs to the beliefs system that he or she
states that he or she believes in.
Yes they do. They have the absolute right to state, unequivocally,
that one is acting in violation of one's supposed belief system by
examining the belief system and comparing the claimant's statements and
behaviors to it.
Craig may claim that he is a Florida orange. For all intents and
purposes this would be more believable than his claims to follow Jesus
Christ.
What's more, not every denomination of Christianity subscribes to your
narrow-minded and prejudicial views.
If they do not subscribe to the Bible then they are not Christians.
If Craig does not subscribe to the Bible, and has said elsewhere that
he does not, he is not a Christian.
It ain't rocket science.
That being said, what makes you think that you have the right to demand
that everyone else follow your beliefs instead of their own?
I didn't see any demands in his post. He made a series of judgement
calls. He is allowed to do so.
<clip>
Quite frankly, I cannot think of a single reason why anyone should pay
any attention to your narrow-minded bigotry,
Then don't. ***** off and unwad your panties while you're at it.
--S
I am going to reply to your post in toto, as opposed to piecemeal, so
that people can more easily see the gist of what I am replying to.
I think that you are wrong in every particular in your critisism of
Criag's beliefs. You forget that there are hundreds, if not thousands,
of denominations of Christianity in the USA alone, ranging in size from
the very large, like the RCC, the Lutherans, and the Southern Baptists,
to the very small, on the order of a single congragation in a small
town. All of these denominations are correct, and all of them are
valid. Just because Craig does not follow your narrow-minded,
exclusionistic, and oppressive view of what is and is not a Christian
does not make his brand of Christianity any less valid or proper.
Remember, there are denominations of Christians that have no problems
with homosexuals, and even elect them to high church offices, nor with
abortion. Therefore, stating that all Christians are against those
things, or even stating that they have to be against those things is
demonstratibly false.
What's more, I think that Craig's brand of Christianity is a better
brand than your own. Craig's brand in caring, inclusive, open, and
nonjudgemental. Your brand is oppressive, uncaring, exclusive, and
highly judgmental. Craig's brand leads by example with open arms to
welcome people in. Your brand is the mailed fist that seeks to crush
all opposition and questioning, and that drives people away. Craig's
brand is the basis of missionaries that help people, and of Jesus that
provided the example for others to follow. Your brand is the basis of
the Crusades, the Inquisition, of witch hunts and burnings, and of
Torquemada.
Craig's brand of Christianity more closely represents the good points
that Christians should be striving for. Your brand more closely
represented that history of Christinaity that represents the
intolerance and oppression that people like to forget about.
While you both are Christian, Craig is a better one because of his
caring nature and the fact that he does not state who is and who is not
a Christian, nor does he demand that his way and interpretation is the
only correct way. He follows the path of Christ far better than you
do.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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15 Jul 2005 11:08:57 PM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
Sneechres wrote:
Mark Sebree wrote:
IBen Getiner wrote:
Craig Chilton says he'z a Christian.
Obviously, God does not agree with Craig Chilton.
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.
Your entire post is an exercise in the "True Scotsman" fallacy.
There is no evidence that Craig follows any of the main tenets of
Christian doctrine. There is evidence that he denies them.
Craig
is a Christian because he says that he is a Christian.
That's not what makes someone a Christian. Sorry.
This is an
example of stating a belief system, and nobody has the right to gainsay
whether or not that person belongs to the beliefs system that he or she
states that he or she believes in.
Yes they do. They have the absolute right to state, unequivocally,
that one is acting in violation of one's supposed belief system by
examining the belief system and comparing the claimant's statements and
behaviors to it.
Craig may claim that he is a Florida orange. For all intents and
purposes this would be more believable than his claims to follow Jesus
Christ.
What's more, not every denomination of Christianity subscribes to your
narrow-minded and prejudicial views.
If they do not subscribe to the Bible then they are not Christians.
If Craig does not subscribe to the Bible, and has said elsewhere that
he does not, he is not a Christian.
It ain't rocket science.
That being said, what makes you think that you have the right to demand
that everyone else follow your beliefs instead of their own?
I didn't see any demands in his post. He made a series of judgement
calls. He is allowed to do so.
<clip>
Quite frankly, I cannot think of a single reason why anyone should pay
any attention to your narrow-minded bigotry,
Then don't. ***** off and unwad your panties while you're at it.
--S
I am going to reply to your post in toto, as opposed to piecemeal, so
that people can more easily see the gist of what I am replying to.
Or rather they can see that you like to repeat the same point different
ways.
What was it you were saying about "questioning" before?
I think that you are wrong in every particular in your critisism of
Criag's beliefs.
Fine, show how from the Bible.
You forget that there are hundreds, if not thousands,
of denominations of Christianity in the USA alone, ranging in size from
the very large, like the RCC, the Lutherans, and the Southern Baptists,
to the very small, on the order of a single congragation in a small
town.
Irrelevant.
All of these denominations are correct, and all of them are
valid.
How do you know? On what do you base this judgement call?
How can they all be correct if they contradict one another?
Just because Craig does not follow your narrow-minded,
exclusionistic, and oppressive view of what is and is not a Christian
does not make his brand of Christianity any less valid or proper.
If he does not beleive the primacy of Biblical scripture and comport
himself accordingly, he is not a Christian.
Remember, there are denominations of Christians that have no problems
with homosexuals,
Irrelevant. If they are disregarding scripture, then their salvation
is at best suspect.
What's more, I think that Craig's brand of Christianity is a better
brand than your own.
Of course you do. Craig's brand of "Christianity" has nothing to do
with Christ. It has Craig as it's primary deity and requires nothing
except unfettered acceptance of faggotry and killing of the innocent
for convenience's sake.
Craig's brand in caring,
Craig? Care? About what? You think he cares about you, or any other
stranger he's never met?
Boy are you naive.
inclusive,
Craig's brand of "Christianity" (and I use that term as loosely as
possible) is just as exclusive as anyone else's. Notice how there is a
whole faction of so-called radicals, so-called religious, and obviously
conservative Republicans whose faiths Craig has called into question.
open,
He's open alright. Those who do not believe God will believe anything.
and
nonjudgemental.
You don't think Craig's vitriolic posts about "cultists" and "RRR"
aren't passing judgement? YOU have stood in judgement of others even
in this post.
I personally don't have a problem with people judging. I have a
problem with people judging and then claiming not to be judging because
being judgemental is wrong. What idiocy.
Your brand is oppressive,
My brand of what?
What does "oppressive" mean specifically?
uncaring,
If Craig is supposed to be caring, I'll proudly wear the mantle of
uncaring. Thank you very much.
exclusive, and
highly judgmental.
Nothing wrong with those things. Christianity itself is exclusive and
highly judgemental. If either you or Craig want to be seen as part of
the body, then get used to it.
Craig's brand leads by example with open arms to
welcome people in.
Really? Exactly who has he welcomed and where did he welcome them?
Your brand is the mailed fist that seeks to crush
all opposition and questioning,
Which explains why I am more than willing to dialogue with you.
Question away. Don't expect not to be accountable for what you say.
If being questioned back means that I am "crushing" you, you have an
awfully thin skin. Try not to be a victim.
and that drives people away.
Some people should be driven away.
Craig's
brand is the basis of missionaries that help people,
How much aid has Craig given to any missionaries?
and of Jesus that
provided the example for others to follow.
You think that calling people nasty names, arguing for sodomy, and
promoting sticking a fork in a baby's head is an example given by
Christ?
Your brand is the basis of
the Crusades, the Inquisition, of witch hunts and burnings, and of
Torquemada.
I do believe all of those things (excepting the Puritan goings-on in
Salem during which a whopping 25 people died) are the scourge of the
Roman church of which I am not a member. Sorry. I do not apologize
for things I had nothing to do with.
Craig's brand of Christianity more closely represents the good points
that Christians should be striving for.
Such as? He doesn't even promote fidelity in marriage.
Your brand more closely
represented that history of Christinaity that represents the
intolerance and oppression that people like to forget about.
Care to be specific about my "brand" of whatever it is you are talking
about?
While you both are Christian,
Funny, I never said that. I said specifically that CRAIG is not. And
I stand by that statement. If you want to defend his salvation, fine.
Do so from scripture. I wish you luck.
Craig is a better one because of his
caring nature
Craig doesn't give a tin ***** either about you, me, or anyone who
disagrees with him, votes conservative, or isn't interested in the same
causes that he is (which all include humans dying somewhere).
and the fact that he does not state who is and who is not
a Christian,
My small pink *****. Read his "RRR Cultists" posts.
nor does he demand that his way and interpretation is the
only correct way.
What is the point of his posts if not to hopefully convince other
people how wrong they have been and how right HE is?
He follows the path of Christ far better than you
do.
He doesn't follow the path of Christ at all. Christ didn't leave a
string of dead bodies behind him like Craig does.
--S
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13 Jul 2005 08:52:23 PM |
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On 13 Jul 2005 13:45:25 -0700,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
IBen Getiner wrote:
Jesus understood the Jewish laws of the Torah, and in fact taught the
Old testament openly in the Holy temple in Jerusalem. Jesus agreed with
everything in the Scriptures. And why shouldn't He, since being Jehovah
God in the flesh, He indeed wrote it. The Lord God Jehovah says He knew
you while you were yet in the womb.
<hate-propaganda-flush>
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and
that we are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage. His worldly reasoning for
support of either sin is irrevelent. God said it in His word. That settles it.
Craig Chilton is a false Christian. You see.... most abortion and
homosexual supporters are blind, but they just don't know it yet. But
Craig Chilton.... by claiming to be a believer, he says that he can
SEE! If he ever was a believer, he is an apostate of hell now.
Craig Chilton says he's a Christian. Obviously, God does not agree
with Craig Chilton.
Dew tell. So now you can read God's mind, huh, "Jon"/"IBen?"
Craig Chilton is a satanic LIAR.\
LOL!!! What a pathetic, ludicrous, and dishonest tool.
Your entire post is an exercise in the "True Scotsman" fallacy. Craig
is a Christian because he says that he is a Christian. This is an
example of stating a belief system, and nobody has the right to gainsay
whether or not that person belongs to the beliefs system that he or she
states that he or she believes in.
What's more, not every denomination of Christianity subscribes to your
narrow-minded and prejudicial views.
That being said, what makes you think that you have the right to
demand that everyone else follow your beliefs instead of their own? I
have no trouble with either abortion or homosexuality, and I also
support the right of homosexuals to get married if they so desire to the
consenting adult of his or her choice. In both cases, it is the individual
managing his or her own life.
So, what gives you the right to demand that others follow your bigotry?
Your church will not be forced to perform any homosexual weddings, so
that cannot be it. You cannot state that your beliefs are superior to
everyone else's, since all beliefs are treated the same in this
country, so that is not it. Abortion is not murder, no matter what
your opinion states, so that cannot be it. And homosexuals and
homosexual marriage will have no effect on your life or your marriage,
so that cannot be it.
Quite frankly, I cannot think of a single reason why anyone should pay
any attention to your narrow-minded bigotry, or why you should be able
to demand that women not get abortions that they desire or homosexuals
not be allowed to marry the consenting adult of his or her choice.
Mark Sebree
WELL stated, Mark.
And I doubt that we will EVER see any Anti-Choicer/RRR cultist/
homophobe providing ANY sensible reason for their bigotry. No surprise
there, though, since bigotry is probably the world's greatest identifier
of
IRRATIONAL people.
No matter how long or how loudly they WHINE -- I truly believe that
NO such person will EVER be able to come up with so much as even ONE
single *fact* that argues against ensuring that girls/women have the right
of unfettered access to the remedy of abortion , uncoerced by anyone or
any law... or a fact that shows how ANY opposite-sex couple's marriage
could be harmed by if a same-sex couple chooses to become legally
married.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
= = = =
Of paramount relevance to all Americans:
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/18/131144/051
http:/downingstreetmemo.com/
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
Some GOOD news!! While in Washington State in late
June, 2005, I was heartened to see that voting booths are
being SCRAPPED altogether, and that ALL ballots hence-
forth must be MAILED in. And if *that* spreads nationwide,
that will put an END to "Black Box Voting!"
I'm not sure if that only applied to Yakima County (where I
saw the piece on TV), or was a statewide action... but either
way, it's a great start!!
Encourage your state to follow that vital lead!
Let's make our elections HONEST!!
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13 Jul 2005 08:42:04 AM |
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On 13 Jul 2005 01:55:22 -0700,
Ignorant Bigot, "Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
Craig Chilton says he's a Christian but he supports abortion
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE,
equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to term
and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-timed
pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
REAL Christians do NOT support loathsome and hateful agendas
such as the Anti-Choice one, which unconscionably seeks to
impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
That's as UN-Christian as it gets!
Jesus understood the Jewish laws of the Torah, and in fact taught the
Old testament openly in the Holy temple in Jerusalem. Jesus agreed with
everything in the Scriptures. And why shouldn't He, since being Jehovah
God in the flesh, He indeed wrote it. The Lord God Jehovah says He knew
you while you were yet in the womb.
Actually, the way that is worded is "BEFORE" the womb. Meaning that
He knew/knows everyone -- potential people... both the ones that could be
born and the ones that will not be... all quadrillion-plus per DAY of
them, worldwide -- while still at the GAMETE stage. You know -- the
living, unique, and human Stage ONE entities of the reproductive process
that ignorant and doltish Anti-Choicers **hypocritically** NEVER defend?
THOSE gametes?
God is omniscient. Which means that He knows **everything**. Thus,
he knew/knows ever person that's ever existed before, and every person
yet to come, while they still were/are scattered atoms and molecules that
may at some point have been countless miles apart from one another.
<propagandistic bullcrap link flushed>
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with their own
bodies. Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once
defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. With the sole exception
of the passage in which it defends a fetus -- as PROPERTY -- in a passage
that **condones** SLAVERY. (Ex. 21:20-25)
Yes, I very much believe in the same Christ who **commanded** His
followers to show love and compassion to their neighbors. (The OPPOSITE
of the attitude of mindless ANTI-Choicers, who have no qualms at the
MISERY and hardship they could impose on millions of women. Only
PSEUDO-Christians, or very *deluded* Christians, could ever have
*anything* to do with being Anti-Choice. Anti-Choice is all about cruelty
and hatefulness, and has NO socially-redeeming aspects. People who are
actively Anti-Choice to *any* degree are UN-Christian-acting sociopaths.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and
that we are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
That seems to be the PREFERRED arrangement, but *nothing* in the
Bible prohibits same-sex marriage, and the Bible frequently is supportive
of love.
Some passages could be used to argue against homosexual sex, but
that is for homosexuals to sort out with God -- IF they choose to.
The Bible neither appointed/appoints nor authorized/authorizes ANY
person (or any *group*of busybodyish loons, such as today's RRR Cult)
to act as ENFORCERS of its precepts. The Bible authorizes NO
Gestapo. And until that changes (which, of course, already being written,
cannot happen), I will continue to be a fair-minded and compassionate
person who stands up for individual liberties and against hateful agendas.
<Remaining LYING bullcrap from a bigot flushed. NO *facts* lost.>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
= = = =
Of paramount relevance to all Americans:
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/18/131144/051
http:/downingstreetmemo.com/
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
Some GOOD news!! While in Washington State in late
June, 2005, I was heartened to see that voting booths are
being SCRAPPED altogether, and that ALL ballots hence-
forth must be MAILED in. And if *that* spreads nationwide,
that will put an END to "Black Box Voting!"
I'm not sure if that only applied to Yakima County (where I
saw the piece on TV), or was a statewide action... but either
way, it's a great start!!
Encourage your state to follow that vital lead!
Let's make our elections HONEST!!
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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14 Jul 2005 02:17:58 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On 13 Jul 2005 01:55:22 -0700,
Ignorant Bigot, "Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
Craig Chilton says he's a Christian but he supports abortion
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE,
As opposed to a man's right? What happened to equality?
equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to term
and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-timed
pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and convenient reasons
for what they do. Hitler was trying to preserve racial purity and the
German economy, and people at that time seemed to think these were
noble pursuits. More lebensraum, don't you know.
<clip>
God is omniscient.
Irrelevant.
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with their own
bodies.
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not allowed
to do with their bodies.
Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once
defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities.
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Yes, I very much believe in the same Christ who **commanded** His
followers to show love and compassion to their neighbors.
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to anyone else.
And his definition of love is narrowly defined as the fulfillment of
the law.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and
that we are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
That seems to be the PREFERRED arrangement, but *nothing* in the
Bible prohibits same-sex marriage, and the Bible frequently is supportive
of love.
Look up the words for "love" in the Greek text (there are several)
before using it in that fashion.
Your crap has been so thoroughly refuted it's actually embarrassing
that you still post it. Why should anyone even bother with it?
--S
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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14 Jul 2005 07:15:05 PM |
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On 14 Jul 2005 00:17:58 -0700,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
Craig Chilton says he's a Christian but he supports abortion.
"BUT?!?" Only a totally UN-Christian hateful bigot would
*oppose* the right of girls/women to have unfettered access
to abortion, which is one of the most profoundly-BENEFICIAL
remedies on the planet. It harmlessly and beneficially enables
no fewer than a BILLION (with a "B) girls and women, worldwide,
over any give recent 18-year-long period, to put their lives back
on track, and immediately UNDO an REVERSE any harm that
an unplanned pregnancy could do to their well-being and future
opportunities. Only unconscionably hateful and UN-Christian-
acting *jerks* would ever support a loathsome agenda that seeks
to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
So when "Jon"/"IBen" insinuates that Christians would not
support the right to access safe and legal abortion, he's just once
again proving his dishonesty, ignorance or both.
To all who irrationally think as he does -- Per Gallup Poll, 83%
of Americans profess Christianity, and 2/3 of Americans are PRO-
Choice. So wake up and smell the coffee & do the math.
MOST American **Christians** are sensible, compassionate,
and fair-minded PRO-Choice egalitarians.
Okay. now Screeches. That takes care of him. You're on.
Time for me to do your usual thing and make a total fool of
yourself.
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE, ...
As opposed to a man's right? What happened to equality?
HER body HER choice. NONE of anyone else's business
unless SHE chooses to include someone else in her decision loop.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
TO Female readers ---
The most **intelligent** course of action for millions of the girls
and women choosing abortion: DON'T. Any more than you'd
advertise it when you apply a Band-Aid to a scratch. It's NO big
deal, and it's the closest thing to a working time machine that the
world is ever likely to see. It will immediately put your life back on
track, and REVERSE all the potential damage to your future, should
it be your choice. And since there *are* people out there who are
buttinsky enough... hateful enough... control-freakish enough...
ignorant enough... busybody-enough... and bigoted-against-the-
remedy-of-abortion enough... to try to COERCE you to gestate-
to-term whether you want to or not -- then the BEST course of
action in most cases is: DON'T tell them beforehand... and DON'T
tell them afterward. Think of it like any other remedy. If you decide
to take an aspirin, you usually don't tell people you're planning to
do it. And afterward, you simply forget about it. The unwanted
medical condition that you cured with your action is history. NO
biggie.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
... equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to
term and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-timed
pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
THANKS for this further evidence of your dishonesty, stupidity, and
ignorance. It's good for the readers to see just how profoundly DUMB
you RRR Cult lemmings truly are.
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and convenient
reasons for what they do.
Irrational ones, perhaps. but genocide kills people, and abortion is
nothing but a 100% **harmless** remedy.
Hitler was trying to preserve racial purity and the German economy,
and people at that time seemed to think these were noble pursuits.
More lebensraum, don't you know.
And as OFF-TOPIC to this discussion as you could get. Nice
LAME try, bigot. No cigar.
[[[ READERS: There are NO FACTS in existence, that I have ever
seen in 45+ years of activism on behalf of human rights, that
supported/supports the loathsome racist, homophobic, or Anti-
Choice agendas of the hateful bigots with which America has
been afflicted. (The one of the segregationists is history, and
sensible & fair-minded Americans WILL render the other two
extinct as well.) SO -- in lieu of the facts that they DON'T have,
the bigots ludicrously clutch at silly and irrelevant straws like
mad. Screeches just showed us an excellent example of that
lame & ineffective ploy. ]]]
[ ... ]
... The Lord God Jehovah says He knew you while you were
yet in the womb.
Actually, the way that is worded is "BEFORE" the womb. Meaning
that He knew/knows everyone -- potential people... both the ones that
could be born and the ones that will not be... all quadrillion-plus per
DAY of them, worldwide -- while still at the GAMETE stage. You know --
the living, unique, and human Stage ONE entities of the reproductive
process that ignorant and doltish Anti-Choicers **hypocritically** NEVER
defend? THOSE gametes?
God is omniscient.
Irrelevant.
Quite the OPPOSITE. Here's the very RELEVANT point that
cowardly you just now so idiotically and unsuccessfully tried to DUCK:
God is omniscient. Which means that He knows **everything**.
Thus, He knew/knows ever person that's ever existed before, and
every person yet to come, while they still were/are scattered atoms
and molecules that may at some point have been countless miles
apart from one another.
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with their own
bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once
defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. *###---> Which
is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once defended ANY
mere reproductive-process entities. With the sole exception of the
passage in which it defends a fetus -- as PROPERTY -- in a passage
that **condones** SLAVERY. (Ex. 21:20-25)
* "###---> and <---###" denote material that this coward
ducked, even though it was highly-relevant to the current
discussion... and which I thus restored.
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)? Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would
be plastering that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
Yes, I very much believe in the same Christ who **commanded** His
followers to show love and compassion to their neighbors. ###---> (The
OPPOSITE of the attitude of mindless ANTI-Choicers, who have no
qualms at the MISERY and hardship they could impose on millions of
women. Only PSEUDO-Christians, or very *deluded* Christians, could
ever have *anything* to do with being Anti-Choice. Anti-Choice is all
about cruelty and hatefulness, and has NO socially-redeeming aspects.
People who are actively Anti-Choice to *any* degree are UN-Christian-
acting sociopaths. <---###
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again. I could cite you a list of passages
that refute you, but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
And his definition of love is narrowly defined as the fulfillment of
the law.
The Lord God Jehovah says that He made us male and female, and
that we are to take the opposite sex for marriage.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+10:7&t=kjv&st=1&new=1&sr=1&sc=1&l=en
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
That seems to be the PREFERRED arrangement, but *nothing* in the
Bible prohibits same-sex marriage, and the Bible frequently is supportive
of love.
###--->
Some passages could be used to argue against homosexual sex, but
that is for homosexuals to sort out with God -- IF they choose to.
The Bible neither appointed/appoints nor authorized/authorizes ANY
person (or any *group*of busybodyish loons, such as today's RRR Cult)
to act as ENFORCERS of its precepts. The Bible authorizes NO
Gestapo. And until that changes (which, of course, already being written,
cannot happen), I will continue to be a fair-minded and compassionate
person who stands up for individual liberties and against hateful agendas.
<---###
[[[ I thoroughly enjoy seeing RRR cultists **ducking** that self-
appointed Gestapo role of theirs, whenever I bring it up -- as
just happened here. They can't handle that. They are totally
without excuse, and the Bible doesn't give them one iota of
help. Hilarious!! ]]]
Look up the words for "love" in the Greek text (there are several)
before using it in that fashion.
Your crap has been so thoroughly refuted it's actually embarrassing
that you still post it.
Embarrassing to YOU. Thus, that works just fine for me! The facts
I present are the opposite of crap. Crap is the domain of bigoted and
control-freakish busybodies. Losers like you.
I have yet to see ANY **fact** refuted/disproven. Facts are truths,
and they INDICT you. In your case, with **regularity**.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
= = = =
Of paramount relevance to all Americans:
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/18/131144/051
http:/downingstreetmemo.com/
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
Some GOOD news!! While in Washington State in late
June, 2005, I was heartened to see that voting booths are
being SCRAPPED altogether, and that ALL ballots hence-
forth must be MAILED in. And if *that* spreads nationwide,
that will put an END to "Black Box Voting!"
I'm not sure if that only applied to Yakima County (where I
saw the piece on TV), or was a statewide action... but either
way, it's a great start!!
Encourage your state to follow that vital lead!
Let's make our elections HONEST!!
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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| Title: Re: Craig Chilton says "I can SEE"!! |
15 Jul 2005 11:23:30 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005 00:17:58 -0700,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE, ...
As opposed to a man's right? What happened to equality?
HER body HER choice.
I agree that if a woman wants to abort herself, she should be allowed
to do so as long as it doesn't cost me anything.
Abortion has nothing to do with her body.
... equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to
term and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-timed
pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
THANKS for this further evidence of your dishonesty, stupidity, and
ignorance.
Thanks for being so shrill and such a lunatic radical that no one here
takes you seriously unless they're as big a loony as you are. :D
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and convenient
reasons for what they do.
Irrational ones, perhaps.
That's a judgement call. And concurrently we can make the same
judgement call about you.
but genocide kills people,
So does abortion.
God is omniscient.
Irrelevant.
Quite the OPPOSITE.
Nope, God knowing you are evil doesn't mean that you aren't accountable
for what you do.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with their own
bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
None.
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once
defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. >
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)?
I have given them to you before. 1:41 and 1:44.
Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would
be plastering that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
They do. No one has refuted the concept because they cannot. The only
way around it is to deny scripture, which you have done.
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again.
No, it's not.
I could cite you a list of passages
that refute you,
Fine, show here where Christ used the word "compassion" in a command
verse.
but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
Where does it say that abortion = compassion in that story?
And how would a pro-life nurse or doctor NOT in fact be fulfilling the
requirement?
And his definition of love is narrowly defined as the fulfillment of
the law.
Well?
Look up the words for "love" in the Greek text (there are several)
before using it in that fashion.
Your crap has been so thoroughly refuted it's actually embarrassing
that you still post it.
Embarrassing to YOU.
No, I understand what the Bible says. You on the other hand actually
have to argue from what it *doesn't* say.
That means your arguments have no basis and even less merit. And the
fact that you've had to ignore, yet again, at least two of the points
that I have made yet again above in this post means that you can't
answer them and probably never will.
Facts shmacts. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit your pecker off,
and too bad it can't.
--S
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Craig Chilton says "I can SEE"!! |
16 Jul 2005 01:54:03 AM |
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On 15 Jul 2005 21:23:30 -0700,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
[[[ READERS: Please read my comments to "Jon"/"IBen,"
immediately below, first. Then keep them in mind when
reading the exchange with Screeches. She's every bit
as hateful, bigoted, ignorant, and irrational as HE is. ]]]
Craig Chilton says he's a Christian but he supports
abortion.
"BUT?!?" Only a totally UN-Christian hateful bigot would
*oppose* the right of girls/women to have unfettered access
to abortion, which is one of the most profoundly-BENEFICIAL
remedies on the planet. It harmlessly and beneficially enables
no fewer than a BILLION (with a "B) girls and women, worldwide,
over any give recent 18-year-long period, to put their lives back
on track, and immediately UNDO an REVERSE any harm that
an unplanned pregnancy could do to their well-being and future
opportunities. Only unconscionably hateful and UN-Christian-
acting *jerks* would ever support a loathsome agenda that seeks
to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
So when "Jon"/"IBen" insinuates that Christians would not
support the right to access safe and legal abortion, he's just once
again proving his dishonesty, ignorance or both.
To all who irrationally think as he does -- Per Gallup Poll, 83%
of Americans profess Christianity, and 2/3 of Americans are PRO-
Choice. So wake up and smell the coffee & do the math.
MOST American **Christians** are sensible, compassionate,
and fair-minded PRO-Choice egalitarians.
Okay. now Screeches. That takes care of him. You're on.
Time for you to do your usual thing and make a total fool of
yourself.
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE, ...
As opposed to a man's right? What happened to equality?
HER body HER choice. NONE of anyone else's business
unless SHE chooses to include someone else in her decision loop.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
TO Female readers ---
The most **intelligent** course of action for millions of the girls
and women choosing abortion: DON'T. Any more than you'd
advertise it when you apply a Band-Aid to a scratch. It's NO big
deal, and it's the closest thing to a working time machine that the
world is ever likely to see. It will immediately put your life back on
track, and REVERSE all the potential damage to your future, should
it be your choice. And since there *are* people out there who are
buttinsky enough... hateful enough... control-freakish enough...
ignorant enough... busybody-enough... and bigoted-against-the-
remedy-of-abortion enough... to try to COERCE you to gestate-
to-term whether you want to or not -- then the BEST course of
action in most cases is: DON'T tell them beforehand... and DON'T
tell them afterward. Think of it like any other remedy. If you decide
to take an aspirin, you usually don't tell people you're planning to
do it. And afterward, you simply forget about it. The unwanted
medical condition that you cured with your action is history. NO
biggie.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
I agree that if a woman wants to abort herself, she should be
allowed to do so as long as it doesn't cost me anything.
You really don't have much at all in the way of a working brain, so
you? Your idiotic comments about the Bosnians here in Iowa, pretty
much removed any possible remaining doubt of that -- and from then
on, you've simply been reaffirming that for everyone.
Abortion has nothing to do with her body.
ROTFL!!! As Ray Fischer told you in response to that utterly INANE
statement: Kook!!
Now... as I was saying, before:
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE,
equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to
term and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-
timed pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
THANKS for this further evidence of your dishonesty, stupidity, and
ignorance. It's good for the readers to see just how profoundly DUMB
you RRR Cult lemmings truly are.
Thanks for being so shrill and such a lunatic radical that no one here
takes you seriously unless they're as big a loony as you are. :D
Wrong again. The fair-minded egalitarians in here have often
reaffirmed that they agree with my posts -- and I couldn't care LESS
what hateful and bigoted RRR-Cult-lemming losers like you think of
them. You count for less with respect to social significance to the human
race than the average pile of sewer rat turds.
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and convenient
reasons for what they do.
Irrational ones, perhaps. But genocide kills people, and
abortion is nothing but a 100% **harmless** remedy.
That's a judgement call. And concurrently we can make the same
judgement call about you.
LOL!!!! Talk about being irrational!
[[[ READERS: As a measure of her cowardice and dishonesty,
places where I've previously made dog meat of her ludicrous
"arguments" -- which then were OMITTED by her -- have often
been RESTORED herein. Those restorations are bracketed
by these symbols: ###---> <---### . (And from *previous*
posts by these: ##---> <---## ) ]]]
###--->
Hitler was trying to preserve racial purity and the German economy,
and people at that time seemed to think these were noble pursuits.
More lebensraum, don't you know.
And as OFF-TOPIC to this discussion as you could get. Nice
LAME try, bigot. No cigar.
[[[ READERS: There are NO FACTS in existence, that I have ever
seen in 45+ years of activism on behalf of human rights, that
supported/supports the loathsome racist, homophobic, or Anti-
Choice agendas of the hateful bigots with which America has
been afflicted. (The one of the segregationists is history, and
sensible & fair-minded Americans WILL render the other two
extinct as well.) SO -- in lieu of the facts that they DON'T have,
the bigots ludicrously clutch at silly and irrelevant straws like
mad. Screeches just showed us an excellent example of that
lame & ineffective ploy. ]]]
... The Lord God Jehovah says He knew you while you were
yet in the womb.
Actually, the way that is worded is "BEFORE" the womb. Meaning
that He knew/knows everyone -- potential people... both the ones that
could be born and the ones that will not be... all quadrillion-plus per
DAY of them, worldwide -- while still at the GAMETE stage. You know --
the living, unique, and human Stage ONE entities of the reproductive
process that ignorant and doltish Anti-Choicers **hypocritically** NEVER
defend? THOSE gametes?
<---###
God is omniscient.
Irrelevant.
Quite the OPPOSITE.
###--->
Here's the very RELEVANT point that cowardly you just now so
idiotically and unsuccessfully tried to DUCK:
God is omniscient. Which means that He knows **everything**.
Thus, He knew/knows ever person that's ever existed before, and
every person yet to come, while they still were/are scattered atoms
and molecules that may at some point have been countless miles
apart from one another.
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
taking that life out of the womb by killing it.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with their own
bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once
defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. *###---> Which
is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER once defended ANY
mere reproductive-process entities. With the sole exception of the
passage in which it defends a fetus -- as PROPERTY -- in a passage
that **condones** SLAVERY. (Ex. 21:20-25)
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)? Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would
be plastering that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
Yes, I very much believe in the same Christ who **commanded** His
followers to show love and compassion to their neighbors. ##---> (The
OPPOSITE of the attitude of mindless ANTI-Choicers, who have no
qualms at the MISERY and hardship they could impose on millions of
women. Only PSEUDO-Christians, or very *deluded* Christians, could
ever have *anything* to do with being Anti-Choice. Anti-Choice is all
about cruelty and hatefulness, and has NO socially-redeeming aspects.
People who are actively Anti-Choice to *any* degree are UN-Christian-
acting sociopaths. <---##
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again. I could cite you a list of passages
that refute you, but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
<---###
Nope, God knowing you are evil doesn't mean that you aren't
accountable for what you do.
No more and no less than you are. At least I won't have to try to
explain to Him someday that I dedicated my life to being a mindless
and hateful *****, the way you will. There's no NEED for you to
have to do that. You still have time to become a FAIR-minded and
compassionate egalitarian. (Every Christian will have to explain at
Jesus' Bema Seat the works done in his/her lifetime. I hope to have
NO unconscionable bigotry included in that.)
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with
their own bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
None.
And you never will, either!
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER
once defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. >
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)?
I have given them to you before. 1:41 and 1:44.
Thanks for reminding us of that sterling example of your making
a total DOLT of yourself. One of the standard passages that Anti-
Choicers pull out of their hat like a crippled rabbit, having NOTHING
in the Bible that would **actually** support their moronic stance.
As I've pointed out before:
(1) Luke wasn't even THERE to observe any of that. (But
that evidently didn't stop him from creatively applying some
literary license.)
(2) It was probably nothing other than a routine kick that ANY
fetus would deliver.
(3) And if that weren't the case, I think its very safe to say
JESUS is far from being a typical case. Who's to say that
HE couldn't elicit a supernatural response?
Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would be plastering
that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
They do.
Wrong. I travel between 50,000 and 80,000 miles a year in this
continent on average, and I have NEVER seen that scripture cited
on any Anti-Choice billboard. (But if it were, that would just be another
manifestation of their lameness.)
No one has refuted the concept because they cannot.
Wrong again. I just did. In spades.
The only way around it is to deny scripture, which you have done.
Deeper and deeper, you dig that LAME hole you reside in. (ROTFL!!)
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to
anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again.
No, it's not.
Are you always that CLUELESS?
I could cite you a list of passages that refute you, ...
Fine, show here where Christ used the word "compassion"
in a command verse.
...but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
Where does it say that abortion = compassion in that story?
You really ARE a very IGNORANT person, aren't you? Or
desperate as hell. Or both. As everyone can see by that idiocy
you just now engaged in, above.
And how would [an Anti-Choice] nurse or doctor NOT in fact
be fulfilling the requirement?
Anti-Choicers (whether medical personnel or otherwise) universally
support a totally UNcompassionate and loathsome agenda that seeks
to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
Thus -- they are hateful people who are without excuse.
###-->
Craig Chilton claims he believes in Christ, yet he openly supports
homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
That seems to be the PREFERRED arrangement, but *nothing*
in the Bible prohibits same-sex marriage, and the Bible frequently is
supportive of love.
##--->
Some passages could be used to argue against homosexual sex,
but that is for homosexuals to sort out with God -- IF they choose to.
The Bible neither appointed/appoints nor authorized/authorizes ANY
person (or any *group*of busybodyish loons, such as today's RRR Cult)
to act as ENFORCERS of its precepts. The Bible authorizes NO
Gestapo. And until that changes (which, of course, already being written,
cannot happen), I will continue to be a fair-minded and compassionate
person who stands up for individual liberties and against hateful agendas.
<---##
[[[ I thoroughly enjoy seeing RRR cultists **ducking** that self-
appointed Gestapo role of theirs, whenever I bring it up -- as
just happened here. They can't handle that. They are totally
without excuse, and the Bible doesn't give them one iota of
help. Hilarious!! ]]]
<---###
And his definition of love is narrowly defined as the fulfillment of
the law.
Well?
Well WHAT? You have made absolutely NO case against enabling
girls and women to have unfettered, safe, and legal access to the
harmless and hugely-beneficial remedy of abortion.
Look up the words for "love" in the Greek text (there are several)
before using it in that fashion.
Your crap has been so thoroughly refuted it's actually embarrassing
that you still post it.
Embarrassing to YOU. ###---> Thus, that works just fine for me!
The facts present are the opposite of crap. Crap is the domain of
bigoted and control-freakish busybodies. Losers like you.
I have yet to see ANY **fact** refuted/disproven. Facts are truths,
and they INDICT you. In your case, with **regularity**.
No, I understand what the Bible says. You on the other hand actually
have to argue from what it *doesn't* say.
No. I'm honest enough -- UNLlike you -- to recognize *both* what it
says AND what it does NOT say. And it gives Anti-Choicers NO help
whatsoever.
That means your arguments have no basis and even less merit.
And the fact that you've had to ignore, yet again, at least two of the
points that I have made yet again above in this post means that you
can't answer them and probably never will.
I've answered every ACTUAL point that you've made. (Most of which
have been total inanities or mindless and desperate clutchings at straws.)
Facts shmacts. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit your pecker off,
and too bad it can't.
ROTFL!!!!! Thus, we close this post with a wonderful and clear-cut
example of Screeches hatefulness, sheer desperation, and UN-Christian
attitude.
Hilarious!!!!!! And VERY revealing of her persona and bigoted
mindset.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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16 Jul 2005 09:54:17 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 21:23:30 -0700,
I agree that if a woman wants to abort herself, she should be
allowed to do so as long as it doesn't cost me anything.
You really don't have much at all in the way of a working brain, so
you?
Insulting me does nothing to defend your position.
Your idiotic comments about the Bosnians here in Iowa,
What do Bosnians (ie, white southern Europeans) living in Iowa have to
do with the price of rice in China?
ROTFL!!! As Ray Fischer told you in response to that utterly INANE
statement: Kook!!
Yep, a very compelling, fact-filled rational response.
I win.
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE,
equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to
term and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-
timed pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
THANKS for this further evidence of your dishonesty, stupidity, and
ignorance. It's good for the readers to see just how profoundly DUMB
you RRR Cult lemmings truly are.
Thanks for being so shrill and such a lunatic radical that no one here
takes you seriously unless they're as big a loony as you are. :D
Wrong again.
Pretty much everyone here knows what a psycho you are. The only people
who support you and have ever supported you are Ray Fischer and the
***** squad.
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and convenient
reasons for what they do.
Irrational ones, perhaps.
That's a judgement call. And concurrently we can make the same
judgement call about you.
LOL!!!! Talk about being irrational!
Not at all. I can judge your motives to be just as irrational as any
genocidal maniac. The outcomes are pretty much the same.
Nope, God knowing you are evil doesn't mean that you aren't
accountable for what you do.
No more and no less than you are.
Irrelevant.
At least I won't have to try to
explain to Him someday that I dedicated my life to being a mindless
and hateful *****,
That's true. At your judgement there will be no explaining, only your
departure for overly warm destinations far, far below heaven.
<clip>
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with
their own bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
None.
And you never will, either!
I know. You don't oppose women killing others, lying, stealing,
cheating, fornicating, or doing any number of things leftists are in
favor of.
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER
once defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. >
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)?
I have given them to you before. 1:41 and 1:44.
Thanks for reminding us of that sterling example of your making
a total DOLT of yourself.
Explain the Koine Greek noun there.
As I've pointed out before:
(1) Luke wasn't even THERE to observe any of that.
Irrelevant, Luke is a gospel and therefore scripture, given by
inspiration of God and profitable for reproof, correction, and
instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). So your point denies the
primacy and accuracy of scripture. Are you sure you want to do that?
(But
that evidently didn't stop him from creatively applying some
literary license.)
Is the passage factually incorrect?
(2) It was probably nothing other than a routine kick that ANY
fetus would deliver.
That's not what it says.
(3) And if that weren't the case, I think its very safe to say
JESUS is far from being a typical case.
The passage is not about John the Baptist and his mother.
Who's to say that
HE couldn't elicit a supernatural response?
He's supposed to elicit that response in all situations in which
Christians may be involved.
Do you think Elizabeth could have justifiably had an abortion?
Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would be plastering
that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
They do.
Wrong.
No, there are plenty of anti-abortion billboards with references to
websites (that contain scripture references) as well as phone numbers.
I've also seen billboards that directly reference Matthew 28:20 (quite
appropriately).
I travel between 50,000 and 80,000 miles a year in this
continent on average,
Irrelevant, I travel almost 27K miles a year just in my own area. So
that's not much.
and I have NEVER seen that scripture cited
on any Anti-Choice billboard.
You haven't seen any anti-choice billboards.
No one has refuted the concept because they cannot.
Wrong again. I just did.
No, you didn't. You denied the validity of scripture, just like I
predicted you would.
The only way around it is to deny scripture, which you have done.
Deeper and deeper, you dig that LAME hole you reside in. (ROTFL!!)
Your arguments basically amounted to "hath God said." Instead of
appealing to the words of the Book that is supposedly your moral
authority (ha), you appeal to your own rationale or the rationale of
the world (Proverbs 3:5).
Pathetic.
Your so-called Christianity is a pose, and not a very good one at that.
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to
anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again.
No, it's not.
Are you always that CLUELESS?
Are you?
I could cite you a list of passages that refute you, ...
Fine, show here where Christ used the word "compassion"
in a command verse.
Well?
...but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
Where does it say that abortion = compassion in that story?
You really ARE a very IGNORANT person, aren't you?
I want to know what a story about a Jew patching up a battered
Samaritan (Jews and Samaritans didn't get along very well--maybe
pregnant women should make more of an effort get along with and have
compassion on their own fetuses) has to do with sticking a fork in a
baby's head.
And how would [an Anti-Choice] nurse or doctor NOT in fact
be fulfilling the requirement?
Anti-Choicers (whether medical personnel or otherwise) universally
support a totally UNcompassionate and loathsome agenda
They would. In fact, a pro-lifer who gives to any charity, or engages
in any kind of philanthropy (and that's pretty much all of them),
including that which defines their job, fulfills the concept.
You, on the other hand, would spit on the Samaritan if he voted for
Bush.
And his definition of love is narrowly defined as the fulfillment of
the law.
Well?
Well WHAT?
Well how do you feel about the Biblical definition of "love" not
supporting you?
You have made absolutely NO case against enabling
girls and women to have unfettered, safe, and legal access to the
harmless and hugely-beneficial remedy of abortion.
Yes I have.
Love is not Biblically fulfilled by abortion. Allowing abortion is not
love. Love is the fulfillment of the law and following the
commandments of Christ.
The Bible calls the unborn "babies."
Do the math.
No, I understand what the Bible says. You on the other hand actually
have to argue from what it *doesn't* say.
No. I'm honest enough --
You think it's honest to deny Scripture, "Christian?"
UNLlike you -- to recognize *both* what it
says AND what it does NOT say.
You cannot logically recognize words that never existed.
And as for what it DOES say, you always have some excuse as to why you
shouldn't believe it.
Facts shmacts. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit your pecker off,
and too bad it can't.
ROTFL!!!!!
You're definately someone who should have been sterilized early.
--S
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| Title: Re: Craig Chilton says "I can SEE"!! |
16 Jul 2005 01:10:14 PM |
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On 16 Jul 2005 07:54:17 -0700,
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree that if a woman wants to abort herself, she should be
allowed to do so as long as it doesn't cost me anything.
You really don't have much at all in the way of a working brain, so
you?
Insulting me does nothing to defend your position.
My position, unlike yours, is just fine. Your support of loathsome and
bigoted agendas is unconscionable, and makes you a dreg on
society. And that's not an "insult." That's FACT.
Your idiotic comments about the Bosnians here in Iowa, pretty
much removed any possible remaining doubt of that -- and from then
on, you've simply been reaffirming that for everyone.
What do Bosnians (ie, white southern Europeans) living in Iowa have to
do with the price of rice in China?
Thanks for your moronic INVITATION to *remind* everyone of
what a total FOOL you are:
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Message-ID: <vu3dd1ph2kv03tq155mgbnsbb4plai3jmc@4ax.com>
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Maybe that's because there are no Muslims in your area.
So much for looking suspicious.
I dunno. Do BOSNIANS tend to be Muslim?
You don't have any of those, either.
This is a major immigration area for them.
What, all two of them?
More like two THOUSAND!
So much so that one frequently sees signs in town in BOTH
English and in their language.
I think you have Arabic confused with Spanish.
Here you go, nitwit. You really oughta learn how to use
search engines before making such a total fool of yourself.
From: http://www.commongroundradio.org/shows/98/9815.html
PORTER: Are there many in Iowa or in the rest of the Midwest, Bosnians?
KRVAVICA: Yes. In Des Moines there are around 3,000 Bosnian refugees
right now. There is a great number of Bosnian refugees in Waterloo that
have been resettled from Chicago as secondary migrants, and IBP has
done lots of recruitment of Bosnian refugees from Chicago, and they
brought them to Waterloo to work at IBP.
PORTER: Tell our listeners what IBP is.
KRVAVICA: IBP is Iowa Beef & Pork Industry. And a majority of Bosnians
who live in Waterloo work at that industry. And I think there is around
2,000 Bosnian refugees in Waterloo at this moment.
See also:
http://quickstart.clari.net/voa/art/gv/2005-05-12-voa47.html
http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2005-05-12-voa47.cfm
http://www.ababj.com/features/immigrantsheartland.html
(Today's neocons/RRR cultists --- dumber than dirt. And they
just keep right on PROVING it to everyone.)
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ROTFL!!! As Ray Fischer told you in response to that utterly INANE
statement: Kook!!
Yep, a very compelling, fact-filled rational response.
A one-word, 100% true, FACT. That's all he needed to say about you.
I win.
Bigots like you NEVER win. As I've pointed out in here many times
before, they are losers *while* pursuing their loathsome agendas, and
BIGGER losers after their agendas become extinct.
One of the reason that I support woman's right to CHOOSE,
equally and uncoerced, between the options of gestating to
term and the beneficial remedy of abortion, when faced with ill-
timed pregnancy, is BECAUSE I **am** a Christian.
That's like saying you support genocide because you are a Christian.
THANKS for this further evidence of your dishonesty, stupidity, and
ignorance. It's good for the readers to see just how profoundly DUMB
you RRR Cult lemmings truly are.
Thanks for being so shrill and such a lunatic radical that no one here
takes you seriously unless they're as big a loony as you are. :D
[[[ READERS: As usual (and she *never* learns; dealing with her is
as unproductive as it would be to try to teach a pig to sing -- for
the very SAME reasons), when Screeches DUCKS, I always
**restore** the material she wanted you to forget... bracketed by
these symbols: ###---> <---###. Previous omissions are denoted
by fewer "#" symbols. ]]]
Wrong again. ###---> The fair-minded egalitarians in here have often
reaffirmed that they agree with my posts -- and I couldn't care LESS
what hateful and bigoted RRR-Cult-lemming losers like you think of
them. You count for less with respect to social significance to the human
race than the average pile of sewer rat turds. <---###
Pretty much everyone here knows what a psycho you are.
The readers in here only need to read your posts to see a
GENUINE psycho. [[[ Also: see my previous, fully-restored
paragraph, above. ]]]
The only people who support you and have ever supported you
are Ray Fischer and the ***** squad.
"***** squad?" What in the hell is THAT? You really **are** dumber
than a dead rock!
And darned near EVERY egalitarian in these groups agree with my
posts. But just keep right on deluding yourself. It's fun watching you
continuously making such a public fool of yourself. (Of course,
COWERING in anonymity as you do, you've got nothing to lose. But
doing that destroys any credibility you might have had, since you lack
the courage of your convictions that it takes to post under your name.
It's noteworthy that Ray, Patrick, Mark, I, and a whole host of other
FAIR-minded egalitarians who are DEFENDERS of human rights and
individual liberties have NO such problem. And unlike you, NOTHING
to be ashamed of.
You're an ALL-AROUND loser.
I'm sure supporters of genocide have very good and
convenient reasons for what they do.
Irrational ones, perhaps.
That's a judgement call. And concurrently we can make
the same judgement call about you.
LOL!!!! Talk about being irrational!
##--->
Hitler was trying to preserve racial purity and the German
economy, and people at that time seemed to think these were
noble pursuits. More lebensraum, don't you know.
And as OFF-TOPIC to this discussion as you could get. Nice
LAME try, bigot. No cigar.
[[[ READERS: There are NO FACTS in existence, that I have ever
seen in 45+ years of activism on behalf of human rights, that
supported/supports the loathsome racist, homophobic, or Anti-
Choice agendas of the hateful bigots with which America has
been afflicted. (The one of the segregationists is history, and
sensible & fair-minded Americans WILL render the other two
extinct as well.) SO -- in lieu of the facts that they DON'T have,
the bigots ludicrously clutch at silly and irrelevant straws like
mad. Screeches just showed us an excellent example of that
lame & ineffective ploy. ]]]
... The Lord God Jehovah says He knew you while you were
yet in the womb.
Actually, the way that is worded is "BEFORE" the womb. Meaning
that He knew/knows everyone -- potential people... both the ones that
could be born and the ones that will not be... all quadrillion-plus per
DAY of them, worldwide -- while still at the GAMETE stage. You know --
the living, unique, and human Stage ONE entities of the reproductive
process that ignorant and doltish Anti-Choicers **hypocritically** NEVER
defend? THOSE gametes?
<---##
Not at all. I can judge your motives to be just as irrational as any
genocidal maniac. The outcomes are pretty much the same.
[[[ LOL!!! Dumb, dumber, and "DUMBERER," she gets, Readers.
Not to mention more and more dishonest. And ludicrous. ]]]
Nope, God knowing you are evil doesn't mean that you aren't
accountable for what you do.
No more and no less than you are. At least I won't have to try to
explain to Him someday that I dedicated my life to being a mindless
and hateful *****, ###---> the way you will. There's no NEED
for you to have to do that. You still have time to become a FAIR-
minded and compassionate egalitarian. (Every Christian will have to
explain at Jesus' Bema Seat the works done in his/her lifetime. I hope
to have NO unconscionable bigotry included in that.) <---###
That's true. At your judgement there will be no explaining, only your
departure for overly warm destinations far, far below heaven.
You've got your thrones mixed up. The Great White one is reserved for
the UNsaved. You'll be lucky if you don't end up at *that* one, as hateful
and UN-Christian as you act.
I support the right of all women to do as they choose with
their own bodies. ...
No, you don't. There are plenty of things that women are not
allowed to do with their bodies.
WHICH of those other things have you ever seen me OPPOSE???
None.
And you never will, either!
I know. You don't oppose women killing others, ...
Outright LIE: My defense has *always* been ONLY of individual
liberties, the practice of which would do NO overt
or purposeful harm to others.
... lying, ...
Outright LIE: E.g., I regularly all you on the CONSTANT lying you
do in your posts, since your lies are designed to
deceive ignorant and gullible people, and to further
loathsome and sociopathic agendas.
... stealing ...
Outright LIE: My defense has *always* been ONLY of individual
liberties, the practice of which would do NO overt
or purposeful harm to others.
... fornicating, ...
THEIR business ONLY. And **none** of yours, or that of anyone else,
mindless and bigoted busybody. SENSIBLE people *defend* the personal
and PRIVATE liberties of others.
...or doing any number of things...
...that FAIR-minded egalitarians sensibly DEFEND.
... Which is perfectly in line with the Bible's having NEVER
once defended ANY mere reproductive-process entities. >
The first chapter of Luke does so.
Which verse(s)?
I have given them to you before. 1:41 and 1:44.
Thanks for reminding us of that sterling example of your
making DOLT of yourself.
[ ... ]
As I've pointed out before:
(1) Luke wasn't even THERE to observe any of that.
Irrelevant, Luke is a gospel and therefore scripture, given by
inspiration of God and profitable for reproof, correction, and
instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). So your point denies the
primacy and accuracy of scripture. Are you sure you want to do that?
AFTER you explain ALL of the many **conflicts** in the Bible, whose
precepts were inspired by God, but whose writings were those of fallible
men capable of injecting their own opinions and commentary... THEN
we can talk more of that.
(But that evidently didn't stop him from creatively applying
some literary license.)
Is the passage factually incorrect?
Without the literary license, it was probably fine. That which was
described likely was nothing more than a routine fetal kick.
(2) It was probably nothing other than a routine kick that ANY
fetus would deliver.
That's not what it says.
Without the application of literary license by a writer who wasn't
even on the scene at the lime, that is the MOST likely scenario of that
which was described.
(3) And if that weren't the case, I think its very safe to say
JESUS is far from being a typical case. Who's to say that
HE couldn't elicit a supernatural response?
He's supposed to elicit that response in all situations in which
Christians may be involved.
Do you think Elizabeth could have justifiably had an abortion?
No "justification" EVER is needed to access a REMEDY. Had that
been her **choice**, it would have been NO biggie.
Because if that were true, Anti-Choice dolts would be plastering
that passage on billboards from coast-to-coast.
They do.
Wrong. I travel between 50,000 and 80,000 miles a year in this
continent on average, and I have NEVER seen that scripture cited
on any Anti-Choice billboard. (But if it were, that would just be another
manifestation of their lameness.)
No, there are plenty of anti-abortion billboards with references to
websites (that contain scripture references) as well as phone numbers.
I've also seen billboards that directly reference Matthew 28:20 (quite
appropriately).
That WOULD be appropriate, since Jesus' commands include the
following -- which is the ANTITHESIS of the agendas of the hateful
Anti-Choicers ---
Matt. 22:37-40
Gal. 5:14
Romans 13: 9-10
[ ... ]
You haven't seen any anti-choice billboards.
There are a few around. They're always good for LAUGHS.
No one has refuted the concept because they cannot.
Wrong again. I just did.
No, you didn't. You denied the validity of scripture, just like I
predicted you would.
Wrong again. At least you're CONSISTENT: almost *always* wrong.
The only way around it is to deny scripture, which you have done.
Deeper and deeper, you dig that LAME hole you reside in. (ROTFL!!)
Your arguments basically amounted to "hath God said." Instead of
appealing to the words of the Book that is supposedly your moral
authority (ha), you appeal to your own rationale or the rationale of
the world (Proverbs 3:5).
The Bible doesn't give one IOTA of support to the loathsome agenda
of the Anti-Choicers.
Pathetic.
You most certainly are. Please feel free to keep right on proving that
to everyone, anonymous bigot.
Your so-called Christianity is a pose, and not a very good one at that.
Oh. Yeah. I forgot to include *this*, above: Please feel free to
keep right on LYING to everyone, anonymous bigot. It never hurts for
society to see what a laughingstock you are.
Christ never commanded anyone to show compassion to
anyone else.
Your ignorance is showing again.
No, it's not.
Are you always that CLUELESS?
Are you?
Never. Especially when debating such losers as you. It's like
shooting an elephant in a rain barrel.
I could cite you a list of passages that refute you, ...
Fine, show here where Christ used the word "compassion"
in a command verse.
Well?
CONTEXT is meaningless to you, isn't it? Well, that's not surprising,
given your apparent incapability to recognize and interpret analogies.
...but the EASIEST and most obvious way for me to do
that is to refer you to the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
Where does it say that abortion = compassion in that story?
You really ARE a very IGNORANT person, aren't you? Or
desperate as hell. Or both. As everyone can see by that idiocy
you just now engaged in, above.
I want to know what a story about a Jew patching up a battered
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