From: Papa Jack (papajack@stic.net)
Subject: Re: Craig vs. Papa Jack 2A
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
Date: 2002-03-29 13:55:57 PST
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote
in message news:<3ca7bf16.14885459@netnews.mchsi.com>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Apobetic´" <Coward@Phony-Email.com> wrote:
"Thurbo" <thurbo_wave@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Papa Jack explains:
This is likely to be quite long, so I'll break it
into sections.
S E C T I O N 2A
This thread will continue with SECTION 2B
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Craig Chilton wrote:
The PROOF that I post solid FACTS regularly? I post the
following outline frequently, and you have seen it, probably
often. ...
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Papa Jack laughed:
Yep, in fact, I provided a detailed reply on March 14,
2002. It was first in the thread titled: "Will Craig
Chilton Run Away? But you ignored it. I guess you
will now claim your "...server failed to provide it
to me at the time, and I learned about it only yesterday."
Go to:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&selm=6f9e1b49.0203141940.fb81fe9%40posting.google.com&rnum=11
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Craig Chilton wrote:
I didn't ignore it. Pretty damned UNOBSERVANT, aren't you?
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Papa Jack commented:
Yep, I posted a message of over 675 lines -- and you replied
with 58 lines on whether it was dishonest for you to CHANGE
MY WORDS.
You ignored the primary topic which was my replies to your
list of so-called FACTS.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
...It is FILLED with facts, which you CANNOT
disprove.
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Papa Jack wrote:
I've posted my detailed answers several times, Craig.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
And whatever you've had to say has disproven
NOT A SINGLE ONE of those facts.
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Papa Jack laughed:
First, let's clarify -- your list is simply a list of
adjectives insulting Pro-Lifers added to a conglomeration
of your wacky personal unsupported opinions.
Second, I rebutted each of your points.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Look under "Craig Chilton Runs Away from Papa Jack"
on March 18, 2002. Go to:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2132987670d&hl=en&selm=6f9e1b49.0203180715.44c81204%40posting.google.com&rnum=74
But, I guess your server failed again. Have you
considered changing servers?
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Craig Chilton claims:
I responded to it, you moronic dolt. Unless YOU have
a lousy server, it's been on there for days, now.
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Papa Jack commented:
Go to:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl715566264d&hl=en&selm=6f9e1b49.0203150947.f1c4394%40posting.google.com&rnum=6
From: Papa Jack (papajack@stic.net)
Subject: Re: Craig Chilton Runs Away from Papa Jack (was "Attack the
poster")
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
Date: 2002-03-15 09:47:20 PST
Now, give us the URL of your reply to THAT message.
I can't find it. You wouldn't lie again would you?
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Craig Chilton wrote:
NOR can any other Anti-Choicer, because facts are TRUTHS.
And in more than 40 years of activism in support
of the vital REMEDY of abortion,...
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Papa Jack wrote:
Pregnancy is a normal and natural condition for women in
the child-bearing years.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
But NOT a REQUIRED one. Just as women can choose not to get
pregnant, they also can choose to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
And what she choose to do, in that regard, is absolutly N-O-N-E of
your busness, nor that of anyone else whom she CHOOSES to exclude
from her decision-making loop.
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Papa Jack replied:
That's only your opinion, Craig. There is a BIG difference
between:
(1) choosing not to get pregnant and
(2) deciding to kill the unborn child AFTER
pregnancy begins.
The first is a normal person exercising her human rights
to not get pregnant. The second is an abnormal person
deciding to kill their own offspring for convenience.
When human beings kill other human beings, it is the
business of all members of that society. Playing
rhetorical games by using euphemisms to deny that liv-
ing fetuses are not human beings is only adisingenuous
attempt to manipulate our readers.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Thus, abortion is a "REMEDY" only in those few cases
where there are serious medical complications which
threaten the mother's life.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
AND for ALL women who seek to UNDO the potential damage
that could be dome to her future plans and aspirations,
thus restoring their lives to what THEY regard to be NORMAL.
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Papa Jack replied:
IOW, you believe personal convenience for the pregnant
woman justifies killing of the unborn child.
That's why support of abortion rights is called the
Culture of Death.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Quit trying to misuse the term "REMEDY" to pretend
pregnancy is a disease which must be cured.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
I never have. EVERYONE has SOME form of medical condition,
ranging from relatively perfect health to terminally-ill.
And when a woman experiences an ill-timed and undesired
pregnacy, abortion REMEDIES that particular unwanted medical
condition.
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Papa Jack replied:
Again we see Craig insult our intelligence. He believe
words can mean whatever he tells us they mean.
He supports the philosophy of the Culture of Death -- i.e.,
he is willing to kill living human beings for convenience.
There is no room for the sanctity of human life in Craig's
world.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
...for women who CHOOSE it -- I have NEVER seen an actual
FACT that supports being ANTI-Choice.
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Papa Jack wrote:
There are many many FACTS which support the [Anti-Choice]
position against unnecessary abortions.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
Any abortion that a woman SEEKS is a NECESSARY one.
To HER. And THAT'S all that counts.
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Papa Jack replied:
Again, we see Craig playing loose with the English
language. He believes words mean whatever he wants
to tell us they mean.
http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm
Necessary: absolutely needed : REQUIRED
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Craig Chilton wrote:
And isn't it intersting that you SAY that there are facts that
support the Anti-Choice position -- but NEVER are able to
PRODUCE any... ???
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Papa Jack replied:
You are heavily into denial, aren't you, Craig. I
provide facts over and over. You either ignore them
or you simply say they aren't true. Often, you don't
even bother to say why you don't believe them.
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Papa Jack wrote:
You just don't choose to accept any FACTS which
contradict your political agenda, Craig.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
Obviously, since there AREN'T any. And being Pro-Choice isn't
a "political agenda." It's humanitarian opposition to mindless and
hateful bigotry.
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Papa Jack replied:
Let's see -- according to the above,Craig will probably
tell us:
--> Facts which contradict anything he writes can't exist.
He seems to believe he is "infallible." [paranoia?]
--> Being part of the Culture of Death isn't a "political
agenda."
--> Supporting the needless slaughter of millions of unborn
children is "humanitarian."
--> Opposing the killing of unborn children for personal
convenience is proof of bigotry.
You see, Gentle Readers, Craig is logically challenged.
This thread will continue in Section 2B.
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