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Science > Abortion |
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"Papa Jack" |
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20 May 2004 10:22:15 AM |
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Death Camps |
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 10:03:42 PM |
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(Jon Young) wrote in
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zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message
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papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message
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The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely
disabled child within the family due to the needs of a new baby;
break-up of existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.Nothing you have mentioned can equate with being savagely
slaughtered in a mothers womb.
A woman wanting to control what happens to her own body. Imagine that.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 05:33:25 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
Yeah, how DARE women have a choice!
I think all men and women should have many choices.
Only ones that you approve of.
For example, we should ALL have a choice of:
* Who to marry.
Unless they're of the same sex, of course.
* Where to live.
* How to make our living.
* What food to eat.
* What clothing to wear.
* Which politicians to vote for.
* What form of birth control to use.
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
Notice that Jackass actually provides a list of choices that
he finds acceptable.
How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin!
Can you quote any Pro-Lifer who has stated this?
Oooo! Jackass asking for quotes when he routinely lies
about pro-choice positions.
Lets force them to have all these unwanted children
and really overburden an already overburdened and
failing child welfare/foster care system.
No one is suggesting force.
Except for you and all the other pro-liars.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 06:12:59 PM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:33:25 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
.....
For example, we should ALL have a choice of:
* Who to marry.
Unless they're of the same sex, of course.
* Where to live.
* How to make our living.
* What food to eat.
* What clothing to wear.
* Which politicians to vote for.
* What form of birth control to use.
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
Notice that Jackass actually provides a list of choices that
he finds acceptable.
I also noticed that *religion* was not among the choices that we
have. Given his attack upon me for defending those who would rather
not deal with religion I can understand that.
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| User: "Cleopatra" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 09:53:30 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
Following your *reasoning* out to its natural couclusion, the
abolitionists and suffragettes were also hateful bigots.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
20 May 2004 06:41:45 PM |
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Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 10:05:25 AM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405201541.488bf811@posting.google.com...
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
Here are a few quotes found at the above site:
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is
to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication
of this bad stock."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Eugenics is . the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of
racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is
nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the
unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become
defectives."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' [is] the
greatest present menace to civilization. the most urgent problem today is
how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and
physically defective."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is
practically identical with the final aims of eugenics."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying. a dead
weight of human waste. an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of
human beings who never should have been born at all."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but
prevented from propagating their kind."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The procreation of [the diseased, the feeble-minded and paupers] should be
stopped."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of
unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"[Mandatory] sterilization for [the insane and feeble-minded] is the
answer."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population their
choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby
Code that states, "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child.
without a permit for parenthood".
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the Population
Congress with the aim, "...to give certain dysgenic groups in our population
their choice of segregation or sterilization."
"As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our outrageous and
our courageous leader, we will probably find a number of areas in which we
may find more about Margaret Sanger than we thought we wanted to know..."
Faye Wattleton, Past-president of Planned Parenthood
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 05:34:17 PM |
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Chris <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405201541.488bf811@posting.google.com...
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
Here are a few quotes found at the above site:
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is
to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
Because anti-contraception fanatics such as yourself prefer that
families have far more children than they can support.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Bert Bishop" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 12:13:46 PM |
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Chris wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405201541.488bf811@posting.google.com...
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
Here are a few quotes found at the above site:
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is
to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication
of this bad stock."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Eugenics is . the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of
racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is
nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the
unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become
defectives."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' [is] the
greatest present menace to civilization. the most urgent problem today is
how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and
physically defective."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is
practically identical with the final aims of eugenics."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying. a dead
weight of human waste. an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of
human beings who never should have been born at all."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but
prevented from propagating their kind."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The procreation of [the diseased, the feeble-minded and paupers] should be
stopped."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of
unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"[Mandatory] sterilization for [the insane and feeble-minded] is the
answer."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population their
choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby
Code that states, "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child.
without a permit for parenthood".
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the Population
Congress with the aim, "...to give certain dysgenic groups in our population
their choice of segregation or sterilization."
"As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our outrageous and
our courageous leader, we will probably find a number of areas in which we
may find more about Margaret Sanger than we thought we wanted to know..."
Faye Wattleton, Past-president of Planned Parenthood
Sanger also wrote:
It has been manifested in such horrors
as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.
It is apparent that nothing short of contraceptives can put an end to
the
horrors of abortion and infanticide.
(Writing about abortion) Apparently, the numbers of these illegal
operations are increasing from year to year. From year to year more
women
will undergo the humiliation, the danger and the horror of them, and the
terrible record, begun with the infanticide of the primitive peoples,
will
go on piling up its volume of human misery and racial damage, until
society
awakens to the fact that a fundamental remedy must be applied.
Do we
want the millions of abortions performed annually to be multiplied? Do
we
want the precious, tender qualities of womanhood, so much needed for our
racial development, to perish in these sordid, abnormal experiences?
an abhorrent operation which kills the tenderness and delicacy of
womanhood, even as it
may injure or kill the body?
a humiliating, repulsive, painful and too often gravely dangerous
operation
In plain, everyday language, in an abortion there is always a very
serious
risk to the health and often to the life of the patient.
If death does not result, the woman who has undergone an abortion is not
altogether safe from harm. The womb may not return to its natural size,
but
remain large and heavy, tending to fall away from its natural position.
Abortion often leaves the uterus in a condition to conceive easily again
and unless prevention is strictly followed another pregnancy will surely
occur. Frequent abortions tend to cause barrenness and serious, painful
pelvic ailments. These and other conditions arising from such operations
are very likely to ruin a woman's general health.
While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as
justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of
thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to
civilization.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of
ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new
race. There will be no killing of babies in the womb by abortion...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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20 May 2004 09:34:04 PM |
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Typical dumbshit bigot. Jackass cites the usual hate and bigotry and
doesn't even try to defend it.
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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