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"Papa Jack" |
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20 May 2004 10:22:15 AM |
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Death Camps |
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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20 May 2004 05:39:43 PM |
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(Papa Jack) writes:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states, a description
of killing methods, a description of the instruments used in abortions,
and a comparison of the history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
So, Jackass, which one of the nine in San Antonio do you harass?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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20 May 2004 09:09:26 PM |
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I saw Fr. Frank Pavone interviewing Mark Crutcher on EWTN the other
night. What a couple of assholes! Lying to each other and to
themselves. Euwww!
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| User: "papa jack" |
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21 May 2004 03:57:13 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0405201809.640eabe1@posting.google.com>...
I saw Fr. Frank Pavone interviewing Mark Crutcher on EWTN the other
night. What a couple of assholes! Lying to each other and to
themselves. Euwww!
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Papa Jack laughed:
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it so much, Spartakus.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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24 May 2004 09:02:40 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
I saw Fr. Frank Pavone interviewing Mark Crutcher on EWTN the other
night. What a couple of assholes! Lying to each other and to
themselves. Euwww!
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it so much, Spartakus.
Aren't you relieved that I didn't bring up Pavone/Crutcher's lack of
perspective when they compared the actions of an evil, totalitarian
government with the reproductive decisions made independently by
thousands of women every year?
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
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| User: "Jon Young" |
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24 May 2004 05:58:17 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0405240602.4cc7a79c@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
(Spartakus) wrote...
I saw Fr. Frank Pavone interviewing Mark Crutcher on EWTN the other
night. What a couple of assholes! Lying to each other and to
themselves. Euwww!
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it so much, Spartakus.
Aren't you relieved that I didn't bring up Pavone/Crutcher's lack of
perspective when they compared the actions of an evil, totalitarian
government with the reproductive decisions made independently by
thousands of women every year?
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to.The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today.Save the children.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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25 May 2004 01:46:45 AM |
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"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message >
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to.
** Yep, all those children dying in Africa, SA and being killed by their own
mothers who never wanted them in the first place. Lets save all these
suffering, unwanted and dying children first before asking women to add more
to the rolls.
The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today.Save the children.
** You're right. Start with the Social Services Dept. and get all those
unwanted kids adopted. Why let them die from abuse and neglect as they
languish in the 'system'.
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Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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25 May 2004 09:43:22 AM |
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(Jon Young) wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote:
Aren't you relieved that I didn't bring up Pavone/Crutcher's lack of
perspective when they compared the actions of an evil, totalitarian
government with the reproductive decisions made independently by
thousands of women every year?
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to.The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today.Save the children.
To illustrate just how ridiculous your argument really is, here is a
post by Malapert, Message-ID: <<34dfe3ea.45372116@news.sonic.net>:
Papa Jack <papa_jack@geocities.com> wrote:
Those of us who are old enough, still remember the gut-wrenching
pictures of the stacks of burned bodies in the German prison camps.
We also think of abortion in the same terms -- stacks of innocent
bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters.
No, you've got it wrong. Don't you remember that when people first
toured the death camps it didn't bother them at all? They looked at
the evidence, saw the dead bodies, and shrugged their shoulders.
"What's all the fuss about?" was the reaction.
Then someone said "Hey, you know what? This is just like...
ABORTION!!!" Everyone was suddenly struck with the horror of it all,
now that they were thinking about it in terms of stacks of innocent
bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters, which hadn't occurred to
them before. So, when people wrote home to their families and
reporters described what they had seen, they made the same comparison
so that the homefolk could understand too.
"Wow," people said. "I didn't realize how bad gassing screaming
families and sending people out to dig their own graves was until I
compared it to the removal of a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
a woman's uterus. But now I understand. If it was as bad as
abortion, then this Holocaust thing was REALLY bad."
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25 May 2004 06:47:41 PM |
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spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote
in message news:<6ed74dfa.0405250643.6a25b441@posting.google.com>...
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote:
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Spartakus wrote:
[...]
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
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Jon Young wrote:
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to. The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today. Save the children.
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Spartakus wrote:
To illustrate just how ridiculous your argument really is, here is a
post by Malapert, Message-ID: <<34dfe3ea.45372116@news.sonic.net>:
Papa Jack <papa_jack@geocities.com> wrote in Feb. 98:
:: When a Pro-Lifer is addressing the horror of PARs advocating the
:: slaughter of 1,200,000+ unborn children per year, the only historical
:: image in modern times which compares in pure horror is the Holocaust.
:: Those of us who are old enough, still remember the gut-wrenching
:: pictures of the stacks of burned bodies in the German prison camps.
:: We also think of abortion in the same terms -- stacks of innocent
:: bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
:> MINXS replied:
:> No, you've got it wrong. Don't you remember that when people first
:> toured the death camps it didn't bother them at all? They looked at
:> the evidence, saw the dead bodies, and shrugged their shoulders.
:> "What's all the fuss about?" was the reaction.
:> Then someone said "Hey, you know what? This is just like...
:> ABORTION!!!" Everyone was suddenly struck with the horror of it all,
:> now that they were thinking about it in terms of stacks of innocent
:> bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters, which hadn't occurred to
:> them before. So, when people wrote home to their families and
:> reporters described what they had seen, they made the same comparison
:> so that the homefolk could understand too.
:> "Wow," people said. "I didn't realize how bad gassing screaming
:> families and sending people out to dig their own graves was until I
:> compared it to the removal of a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
:> a woman's uterus. But now I understand. If it was as bad as
:> abortion, then this Holocaust thing was REALLY bad."
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Papa Jack replied:
I couldn't help but note how you first pretended concern
for the lack of "sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families" -- but, then you quoted this
crude satire by MINXS. So much for sensitivity and respect.
The giant hole in MINXS' logic is her own description of an
unborn child as "a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
a woman's uterus." I understand that was written back in
1998, but even then we fully understood an unborn child was
far more than described by MINXS. Current pictures from
sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly shown unborn
children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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28 May 2004 01:39:02 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote:
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to. The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today. Save the children.
To illustrate just how ridiculous your argument really is, here is a
post by Malapert, Message-ID: <<34dfe3ea.45372116@news.sonic.net>:
Papa Jack <papa_jack@geocities.com> wrote in Feb. 98:
:: When a Pro-Lifer is addressing the horror of PARs advocating the
:: slaughter of 1,200,000+ unborn children per year, the only historical
:: image in modern times which compares in pure horror is the Holocaust.
::
:: Those of us who are old enough, still remember the gut-wrenching
:: pictures of the stacks of burned bodies in the German prison camps.
:: We also think of abortion in the same terms -- stacks of innocent
:: bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters.
:> No, you've got it wrong. Don't you remember that when people first
:> toured the death camps it didn't bother them at all? They looked at
:> the evidence, saw the dead bodies, and shrugged their shoulders.
:> "What's all the fuss about?" was the reaction.
:>
:> Then someone said "Hey, you know what? This is just like...
:> ABORTION!!!" Everyone was suddenly struck with the horror of it all,
:> now that they were thinking about it in terms of stacks of innocent
:> bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters, which hadn't occurred to
:> them before. So, when people wrote home to their families and
:> reporters described what they had seen, they made the same comparison
:> so that the homefolk could understand too.
:>
:> "Wow," people said. "I didn't realize how bad gassing screaming
:> families and sending people out to dig their own graves was until I
:> compared it to the removal of a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
:> a woman's uterus. But now I understand. If it was as bad as
:> abortion, then this Holocaust thing was REALLY bad."
I couldn't help but note how you first pretended concern
for the lack of "sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families" -- but, then you quoted this
crude satire by MINXS. So much for sensitivity and respect.
You're not familiar with Jonathan Swift, I take it.
Anyway, would you agree that if A is like B, then B is like A? If so,
then consider the proposition implied by Jon Young's argument:
"If abortion is just like the Holocaust, then the Holocaust is just
like abortion."
And actually, I'm cutting Mr. Young a break here. He said that
abortion in America is much more devastating than the Nazi Holocaust.
If you want to take issue with over-the-top statements, Mr. Young's
comments should go right to the top of your list.
The giant hole in MINXS' logic is her own description of an
unborn child as "a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
a woman's uterus.
Minxs' description of what is removed in a 1st trimester abortion is
right on the money. In fact, most of what is removed isn't the
fetus/embryo at all, but placental material.
I understand that was written back in 1998, but even then we fully
understood an unborn child was far more than described by MINXS.
Minxs' grasp of medical facts has always surpassed yours, PJ; often by
orders of magnitude.
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
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25 May 2004 10:57:31 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I couldn't help but note how you first pretended concern
for the lack of "sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families" -- but, then you quoted this
crude satire by MINXS. So much for sensitivity and respect.
We cannot help notice that you occasionaly pretend concern for
women's health and for the lives of children, but then we see you
lie to women in order to have them take risks, and we see you
condemn other people for the very thing that you do, and then we
realized that you're really just a lying contorl freak.
The giant hole in MINXS' logic is her own description of an
unborn child as "a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
a woman's uterus."
It's quite accurate for the vast majority of abortions.
I understand that was written back in
1998, but even then we fully understood an unborn child was
far more than described by MINXS.
No, pro-liar, we understand that she is quite correct.
Current pictures from
sonograms and actual cameras
Are done much later than the perioud during which most abortions are
done.
But you knew that and are really just lying to people again.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 May 2004 10:47:41 AM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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20 May 2004 03:10:59 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
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Yeah, how DARE women have a choice! How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin! Lets force them to have all these unwanted
children and really overburden an already overburdened and failing child
welfare/foster care system. If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue eyed
it doesn't stand a chance! Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across the nation.
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about those waiting on long
lists to adopt an INFANT - yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority child or a handicapped one?
They can't want a child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy white
infant.
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Chris" |
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21 May 2004 09:08:06 AM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:g9WdnXGzTvBEjTDdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
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Yeah, how DARE women have a choice! How DARE they have sex and not have
to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin! Lets force them to have all these unwanted
children and really overburden an already overburdened and failing child
welfare/foster care system. If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue
eyed
it doesn't stand a chance! Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across the nation.
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about those waiting on long
lists to adopt an INFANT - yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority child or a handicapped
one?
They can't want a child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy white
infant.
Just send all the non-white babies to the gay couples. PLENTY of them out
there. Then your "unwanted children" worries are over.
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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22 May 2004 12:38:44 AM |
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"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in message
news:j3orc.4957$7y5.4416@fed1read03...
Just send all the non-white babies to the gay couples. PLENTY of them out
there. Then your "unwanted children" worries are over.
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Since when do gay couples want these children?
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
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21 May 2004 06:45:03 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in message news:<g9WdnXGzTvBEjTDdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
I have to agree, Sanger would have to be extremely hateful and a
bigot to say those things. I would call her mean and selfish but I
guess Jackass works!
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Yeah, how DARE women have a choice! How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin! Lets force them to have all these unwanted
children and really overburden an already overburdened and failing child
welfare/foster care system. If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue eyed
it doesn't stand a chance! Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across the nation.
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about those waiting on long
lists to adopt an INFANT - yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority child or a handicapped one?
They can't want a child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy white
infant.
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21 May 2004 07:00:31 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in message news:<g9WdnXGzTvBEjTDdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
=================================
Yeah, how DARE women have a choice! How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin! Lets force them to have all these unwanted
children and really overburden an already overburdened and failing child
welfare/foster care system. If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue eyed
it doesn't stand a chance! Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across the nation.
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about those waiting on long
lists to adopt an INFANT - yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority child or a handicapped one?
They can't want a child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy white
infant.
Women have a choice before conception except in cases of rape. Sex is
not just for procreation but for those who are willing to accept the
responsibility that comes with the privilege. Other risks come with
sex such as the risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease from
someone who has had multiple partners. People who have these diseases
are a burden on society. If we are justified in killing unborn humans
becaue they pose risk to the mother's health or because they cost a
lot of money then we should be justified in killing anyone who has
multiple sex partners. I have listened to the Pro-choice argument and
what I hear is that carefree sex is more valuable than human life,
money is more important than human life, freedom from responsibility
is more valuable than human life. Sex is to kill for.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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22 May 2004 12:37:17 AM |
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"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0405211600.5ab9bd8f@posting.google.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:<g9WdnXGzTvBEjTDdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c8ijut$4hg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled, "Death
Camps."
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
=================================
Yeah, how DARE women have a choice! How DARE they have sex and not have
to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin! Lets force them to have all these unwanted
children and really overburden an already overburdened and failing child
welfare/foster care system. If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue
eyed
it doesn't stand a chance! Note how the anti-choicers never mention
all
these thousands of unwanted children across the nation.
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about those waiting on long
lists to adopt an INFANT - yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority child or a handicapped
one?
They can't want a child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy white
infant.
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Women have a choice before conception except in cases of rape.
* But we're talking about AFTER the fact when a women is already pregnant
with an unwanted fetus. Talking about what she should have and could have
done is a waste of time.
Sex is
not just for procreation but for those who are willing to accept the
responsibility that comes with the privilege.
* Exactly, and if there is an accident or birth control fails she should
have the option of a safe legal abortion.
Other risks come with
sex such as the risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease from
someone who has had multiple partners.
* Of course. This has always been the case.
People who have these diseases
are a burden on society.
* Many people are a burden on society but this is a civilized society so we
take care of them.
If we are justified in killing unborn humans
becaue they pose risk to the mother's health or because they cost a
lot of money then we should be justified in killing anyone who has
multiple sex partners.
* Really? Will you next suggest we kill those who are disabled, the
mentally ill, have erminal cancer etc? I would think they're a bigger
burden to society than someone with herpes or HPV.
I have listened to the Pro-choice argument and
what I hear is that carefree sex is more valuable than human life,
* You hear what you WANT to hear. No one said that on this NG.
money is more important than human life, freedom from responsibility
is more valuable than human life. Sex is to kill for.
* Whatever rings your bells.......
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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21 May 2004 07:45:14 PM |
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On 21 May 2004 17:00:31 -0700, (Teresa) wrote:
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People who have these diseases are a burden on society. ...
we should be justified in killing anyone who has multiple sex partners.
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Ya gotta love them Pro-Lifers!
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21 May 2004 07:49:26 PM |
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(Paul Anderson) wrote in news:40aea220.14391807
@news.la.sbcglobal.net:
On 21 May 2004 17:00:31 -0700, (Teresa) wrote:
....
People who have these diseases are a burden on society. ...
we should be justified in killing anyone who has multiple sex partners.
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Ya gotta love them Pro-Lifers!
You mean "Pro-Lifers". :o)
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 02:56:54 AM |
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On 21 May 2004 17:00:31 -0700, (Teresa) wrote:
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Women have a choice...
They have choices - abortion or childbirth.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
21 May 2004 03:32:26 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote
in message news:<g9WdnXGzTvBEjTDdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack wrote:
Life Dynamics has posted an interesting Web Page titled,
"Death Camps."
It lists the 751 abortion clinics in the U.S. by states,
a description of killing methods, a description of the
instruments used in abortions, and a comparison of the
history of abortion and the Holocaust.
Go to:
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/DeathCamps.cfm
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Ray Fischer wrote:
The usual hate and bigotry. It's all that Jackass has.
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Flower Power wrote:
Yeah, how DARE women have a choice!
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Papa Jack commented:
I think all men and women should have many choices.
For example, we should ALL have a choice of:
* Who to marry.
* Where to live.
* How to make our living.
* What food to eat.
* What clothing to wear.
* Which politicians to vote for.
* What form of birth control to use.
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Killing is not "privacy."
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Flower Power wrote:
How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin!
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Papa Jack commented:
Can you quote any Pro-Lifer who has stated this?
No? I didn't think so. You are just parroting
the lines fed to you by the abortion industry PR
types. Why don't you think for yourself?
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Flower Power wrote:
Lets force them to have all these unwanted children
and really overburden an already overburdened and
failing child welfare/foster care system.
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Papa Jack commented:
No one is suggesting force. The only women who can
be "forced" to have children are those who've been
raped. The others consented to the sexual activities
which led to their pregnancy. They had a CHOICE.
They made their choice. Now they want to escape
the foreseeable consequences of their own acts.
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Flower Power wrote:
...If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue eyed
it doesn't stand a chance!...
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Papa Jack commented:
I've known many adopted children -- most weren't
blond haired and blue eyed. You seem to be
confused with Hitler's Aryan ideal.
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Flower Power wrote:
Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across
the nation.
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Papa Jack commented:
Because these "thousands of unwanted children across
the nation" have nothing whatsoever to do with abortion
except as a red herring to justify killing healthy
unborn children.
How will killing the millions of unborn children
help the unwanted children in foster homes? Your
logic does not compute.
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Flower Power wrote:
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about
those waiting on long lists to adopt an INFANT -
yes,...
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Papa Jack commented:
Yep, we talk about the people who are anxious to
adopt, love, and raise the very unborn children
who are being slaughtered in "chop shops."
You think that's selfish. Why?
I think a woman paying an abortionist to kill
her healthy unborn child to protect her lifestyle
is the height of selfishness.
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Flower Power wrote:
...yes, a WHITE healthy infant. If these people
wanted to adopt so badly why not take a minority
child or a handicapped one? They can't want a
child too badly if they will ONLY take a healthy
white infant.
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Papa Jack commented:
We did. My oldest son is half Spanish. His
adopted daughter is a minority.
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Flower Power wrote:
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god [sic] said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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Papa Jack commented:
Now, let's look at this quote in context:
7 Remember, O LORD, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, "Raze it, raze it,
To its very foundation!"
8 O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed,
Happy the one who repays you as you have served us!
9 Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!
This is a psalm written by a people in captivity in Babylon.
They long for the day when they can treat their oppressors
the way their oppressors treated them.
Matthew Henry Commentary on Chapter 137:
"There are divers psalms which are thought to have
been penned in the latter days of the Jewish church,
when prophecy was near expiring and the canon of the
Old Testament ready to be closed up, but none of them
appears so plainly to be of a late date as this, which
was penned when the people of God were captives in
Babylon, and there insulted over by these proud oppres-
sors; probably it was towards the latter end of their
captivity; for now they saw the destruction of Babylon
hastening on apace (v. 8), which would be their discharge.
"It is a mournful psalm, a lamentation; and the Septuagint
makes it one of the lamentations of Jeremiah, naming him
for the author of it. Here I. The melancholy captives
cannot enjoy themselves (v. 1, 2). II. They cannot humour
their proud oppressors (v. 3, 4). III. They cannot forget
Jerusalem (v. 5, 6). IV. They cannot forgive Edom and
Babylon (v. 7-9)...."
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=ps&chapter=137
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 12:56:19 AM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com...
Flower Power wrote:
Yeah, how DARE women have a choice!
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Papa Jack commented:
I think all men and women should have many choices.
For example, we should ALL have a choice of:
* Who to marry.
$ Not everyone wants to marry or can find a suitable mate.
* Where to live.
* How to make our living.
* What food to eat.
* What clothing to wear.
* Which politicians to vote for.
* What form of birth control to use.
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
$ But that's YOUR problem thinking they abort for "convenience." They abort
for many reasons.
Killing is not "privacy."
$ Abortion is legal as it should be, as it saves the lives of women and
girls.
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Flower Power wrote:
How DARE they have sex and not have to
PAY, PAY, PAY for their sin!
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Papa Jack commented:
Can you quote any Pro-Lifer who has stated this?
$ That's what it comes down to since you all claim she should take
"responsibility" and *have* the unwanted child, against her will. That's
punishment to the girl/women involved.
No? I didn't think so. You are just parroting
the lines fed to you by the abortion industry PR
types. Why don't you think for yourself?
$ I am thinking for myself - why does THAT bother you so much? Don't tell
me who's feeding me what as I can make the same claim about you and the
anti-choicers.
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Flower Power wrote:
Lets force them to have all these unwanted children
and really overburden an already overburdened and
failing child welfare/foster care system.
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Papa Jack commented:
No one is suggesting force.
$$ Good, then let them abort in peace and move on with their lives. Problem
solved.
The only women who can
be "forced" to have children are those who've been
raped. The others consented to the sexual activities
which led to their pregnancy.
$$ That makes no difference to the women with the unwanted pregnancy nor
should it to you.
They had a CHOICE.
They made their choice. Now they want to escape
the foreseeable consequences of their own acts.
$$ ESCAPE? You mean they don't want to SUFFER and PAY, PAY, PAY by having
the unwanted child.
You want to PUNISH them by forcing them to SUFFER and PAY, PAY, PAY by
having the unwanted child.
Why does it bother you so much that they want to avoid this SUFFERING and
PAYING for having sex?
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Flower Power wrote:
...If it's not healthy, blond haired and blue eyed
it doesn't stand a chance!...
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Papa Jack commented:
I've known many adopted children -- most weren't
blond haired and blue eyed. You seem to be
confused with Hitler's Aryan ideal.
$$ You seem confused with Hitler and the 1940s since the system is FULL of
minority children no one wants. It's no secret and everyone is aware of
this problem.
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Flower Power wrote:
Note how the anti-choicers never mention all
these thousands of unwanted children across
the nation.
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Papa Jack commented:
Because these "thousands of unwanted children across
the nation" have nothing whatsoever to do with abortion
$$ They don't? No one is taking proper care of "them," the already born,
but people like YOU would add a few million more to this overburdened
system - right? Would that magically make loving adoptive parents suddenly
take minority kids, older kids and the disabled ones? I think not.
except as a red herring to justify killing healthy
unborn children.
$$ You use red-herrings all the time.
How will killing the millions of unborn children
help the unwanted children in foster homes? Your
logic does not compute.
$ How will adding millions more to the system help any of them? Your logic
does not compute.
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Flower Power wrote:
And talk about selfish. They keep talking about
those waiting on long lists to adopt an INFANT -
yes,...
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Papa Jack commented:
Yep, we talk about the people who are anxious to
adopt, love, and raise the very unborn children
who are being slaughtered in "chop shops."
$$ Why not take them to the centers where they can adopt a minority child or
disabled child?
You think that's selfish. Why?
$$ Because if they weren't they would happily take an unwanted child of any
color or race.
I think a woman paying an abortionist to kill
her healthy unborn child
$$ How do they know a zygote or embryo is healthy?
to protect her lifestyle
is the height of selfishness.
$$ Her lifestyle? How do you know the lifestyles of the women that abort?
You just spout the same anti-choice nonsense on all the anti-choice websites
and propaganda. You have no idea what lifestyles these women have so why
claim that you do?
=========== This is redundant and too long.......
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 05:16:27 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 10:10:59 PM |
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"EvilZak" <zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1e57ec88.0405220216.77e8a84f@posting.google.com...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message
news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
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That's because the anti-choicers are not interested in those *already born*
such as the women with unwanted pregnancies and the thousands of unwanted
kids out there. They're obsessed with zygotes and fetuses.
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FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
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| User: "Jon Young" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps |
22 May 2004 08:47:59 PM |
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(EvilZak) wrote in message news:<1e57ec88.0405220216.77e8a84f@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.Nothing you have mentioned can equate with being savagely
slaughtered in a mothers womb.
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| User: "Fower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps for women - but save the zygotes! |
23 May 2004 01:15:29 AM |
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"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405221747.17976190@posting.google.com...
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message
news:<1e57ec88.0405220216.77e8a84f@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message
news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
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Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.
## This is the coldest, most uncaring, selfish post I have seen on this NG.
You couldn't care less about women if you tried! Their lives mean NOTHING to
you - you sound like a typical misogynist. Make her PAY for her sins, even
if it ruins her life, the boys life, tears her family apart, and destroys
their future! Make her PAY, PAY, PAY. That's what your argument is all
about - revenge for her sinning! Not once have you mentioned what happens
to or with the unwanted infant involved in the mess.
Nothing you have mentioned can equate with being savagely
slaughtered in a mothers womb.
## Savagely slaughtered? ***** do you savagely slaughter a blob of cells? A
glob of cells savagely slaughtered? Next you'll insist people not have
tumors removed since they too have nerves, feel pain and are human tissue.
We can't savagely slaughter those poor cancerous tumors that want so badly
to live.....
--
The Purple Coneflower....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps for women - but save the zygotes! |
23 May 2004 01:20:27 AM |
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"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:sKudnQhIG_gb3C3dRVn-hQ@heartoftn.net...
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405221747.17976190@posting.google.com...
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message
news:<1e57ec88.0405220216.77e8a84f@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message
news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months...
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Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.
## This is the coldest, most uncaring, selfish post I have seen on this
NG.
Oh, her she goes Jon....:o)
You couldn't care less about women if you tried!
As if she cared about anyone at all. Jon, Flower Power thinks it is o.k.
for 13 and 14 year old girls to be out having sex.
Their lives mean NOTHING to
you - you sound like a typical misogynist.
Flower Power sounds like a typical pornographic sleeze bucket with her
pushing of teens to have sex.
Make her PAY for her sins, even
if it ruins her life, the boys life, tears her family apart, and destroys
their future! Make her PAY, PAY, PAY.
Maybe Flower Power can write a song???
That's what your argument is all
about - revenge for her sinning! Not once have you mentioned what happens
to or with the unwanted infant involved in the mess.
Not once have you done anything to help the poor young teen girls you pushed
out into the streets to get knocked up.
Nothing you have mentioned can equate with being savagely
slaughtered in a mothers womb.
## Savagely slaughtered? ***** do you savagely slaughter a blob of cells?
You are a blob of cells...you didn't know that????
A
glob of cells savagely slaughtered?
You have no idea about cellular structure do you???
Next you'll insist people not have
tumors removed since they too have nerves, feel pain and are human tissue.
We can't savagely slaughter those poor cancerous tumors that want so badly
to live.....
Flower Power refers to the unborn fetus as a cancerous tumor....
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps for women - HEISHMAN makes LIBELOUS claims!!!! |
24 May 2004 02:10:29 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1tednYOSDarj3y3dRVn-tw@comcast.com...
"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
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Jon:> Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.
## This is the coldest, most uncaring, selfish post I have seen on this
NG.
Oh, her she goes Jon....:o)
You couldn't care less about women if you tried!
As if she cared about anyone at all. Jon, Flower Power thinks it is o.k.
for 13 and 14 year old girls to be out having sex.
## Where is the proof? You keep making these LIBELOUS claims you can't back
up?
Their lives mean NOTHING to
you - you sound like a typical misogynist.
Flower Power sounds like a typical pornographic sleeze bucket with her
pushing of teens to have sex.
## Where is the proof? You keep making these LIBELOUS claims you can't
back up?
Make her PAY for her sins, even
if it ruins her life, the boys life, tears her family apart, and
destroys
their future! Make her PAY, PAY, PAY.
Maybe Flower Power can write a song???
## Maybe Heishman can explain to his lawyer why he's making LIBELOUS claims
about other posters before his lawyer calls me.
=========== Snip more HEISHMAN lies and deciet....
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FP....
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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| User: "Teresa" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps for women - but save the zygotes! |
23 May 2004 04:25:54 PM |
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"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message news:<sKudnQhIG_gb3C3dRVn-hQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405221747.17976190@posting.google.com...
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message
news:<1e57ec88.0405220216.77e8a84f@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in message
news:<bd9f1f6b.0405211232.5298146d@posting.google.com>...
The ONLY "choice" we Pro-Lifers object to is the
decision to kill unborn children for convenience.
Ah yes, "convenience". Well, let's have a look at some of the
'inconveniences' the anti-choice movement thinks women should just
have to put up with as the price of not living an entirely celibate
life.
Loss of one's job
Loss of one's home due to the loss of income
Permanent physical damage after pregnancy complications
Loss of family support/contact with family due to disapproval of the
pregnancy
Being unable to continue to care for an existing severely disabled
child within the family due to the needs of a new baby; break-up of
existing family
Years living in poverty due to the lack of wages above slave level and
affordable childcare
Psychological distress at being treated as nothing but an incubating
machine, less than a person, with no freedom of bodily autonomy, for
up to nine months... [Availablilty of abortion has made it easier for men to use women as sex machines. How many women who would choose to keep the baby are pressured into abortion by the baby's father?]
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Losing a job: Would you accept the inconvenience of losing your job to
save your mother's life or your sisters? This "blob of cells" as you
put it is a memeber of your family. Every "blob" of embrionic cells
is the beginning stage of a baby. You were once a blob of cells, but
your mother apparently thought of you as her baby. You had a choice
before conception. You chose to take a chance. Unless you were raped,
no one made you take that chance. The "blob" is as human as you and
I. The embryo is not only part of the human family but is the very
foundation of humanity. Humanity cannot exist without embros. When
you kill a tadpole you deprive the world of a frog. When you kill an
embryo you always deprive the world of a child.
Loss of one's home due to loss of income: Would you be too proud to
ask for assistance if you knew it could save the life of your mother
or your sister? Call a Catholic Church or just about any other
Christian Church and let them know you need support during your
pregnancy.
Your only obligation is for the months until the baby is born. You
are allowed to give the baby up for adoption. I hope your are not one
of those selfish women who say they could never give their offspring
up for adoption yet are able to kill it.
Sounds like alot of selfish excuses to murder your pre-born
child.
## This is the coldest, most uncaring, selfish post I have seen on this NG.
You couldn't care less about women if you tried! Their lives mean NOTHING to
you - you sound like a typical misogynist. Make her PAY for her sins, even
if it ruins her life, the boys life, tears her family apart, and destroys
their future! Make her PAY, PAY, PAY. That's what your argument is all
about - revenge for her sinning! Not once have you mentioned what happens
to or with the unwanted infant involved in the mess.
The mother and father are the two humans who committed the "sin" as
you call it. Why should any other human have to pay for what they
did? Why should we not take responsibility for our own actions?
Pro-Choice is really about the right to be carefree and irresponsible
and it is about protecting a lucrative industry. The number one threat
to children in the USA today is mothers. Come on women, wake up.
Nothing you have mentioned can equate with being savagely
slaughtered in a mothers womb.
## Savagely slaughtered? ***** do you savagely slaughter a blob of cells? A
glob of cells savagely slaughtered? Next you'll insist people not have
tumors removed since they too have nerves, feel pain and are human tissue.
We can't savagely slaughter those poor cancerous tumors that want so badly
to live.....
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Death Camps for women - but save the zygotes! |
24 May 2004 02:29:43 AM |
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"Teresa" <teresah78758@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b2b4e36.0405231325.72cd0016@posting.google.com...
Losing a job: Would you accept the inconvenience of losing your job to
save your mother's life or your sisters?
** A zygote is not your mother or sister. There is no comparison. An
unwanted zygote is just that - an unwanted zygote.
This "blob of cells" as you
put it is a memeber of your family.
** In YOUR opinion. Why are you trying to force your OPINION on others who
disagree?
Every "blob" of embrionic cells
is the beginning stage of a baby. You were once a blob of cells, but
your mother apparently thought of you as her baby.
** Not necessarily. Many women have and had children they did not want at
all. And don't claim every women you know was thrilled to death to give
birth to unwanted, unplanned children.
You had a choice
before conception. You chose to take a chance. Unless you were raped,
no one made you take that chance. The "blob" is as human as you and
I.
** In YOUR opinion. Why are you trying to force your OPINION on others who
disagree? Some women will abort at any stage and that's their RIGHT, not
your choice to make.
The embryo is not only part of the human family but is the very
foundation of humanity. Humanity cannot exist without embros.
** That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. There will always be women who
WANT and plan their pregnancies so don't use the scare tactic that we'll
become extinct because of abortion. At least 40% of pregnancies are planned
and the children wanted. We'll hardly die out as a species unless we kill
ourselves with toxic waste or someone drops the BOMB.
When
you kill a tadpole you deprive the world of a frog. When you kill an
embryo you always deprive the world of a child.
** And what of the millions that die each year of starvation and disease?
There are already too many mouths on earth to feed as you well know. You're
clearly doing the earth a favor by not adding another unwanted mouth to
feed. All children have the RIGHT to be wanted, loved and cared for but you
seem to disagree.
Loss of one's home due to loss of income: Would you be too proud to
ask for assistance if you knew it could save the life of your mother
or your sister?
** How can you compare an unwanted zygote with living people you already
know and love? What a mindless comparison.
Call a Catholic Church or just about any other
Christian Church and let them know you need support during your
pregnancy.
** Big deal! What support do you get AFTER the birth? Close to NONE! And
do you actually think the women is going to magically love and care for the
child she that's now destroying her life and was never wanted in the first
place? What world are you on?
Your only obligation is for the months until the baby is born.
** And you then risk your LIFE, your health and your financial future if
there are complications bearing this unwanted child.
You
are allowed to give the baby up for adoption.
** See above. What women would want to go through all that to give it away?
What's the point? Take that chance for nothing? Then forever wonder if it
ever was adopted, if it was being abused etc? And unless it's white it
stands little chance to be adopted as you know.
I hope your are not one
of those selfish women who say they could never give their offspring
up for adoption yet are able to kill it.
** In YOUR opinion it's KILLING. Others see it differently. Why are you
trying to force your OPINION on others who disagree? You're entitled to
your opinion just don't try and cram it down other people's throats since
you will not be there after the child is born to help - nor are you doing
anything about the millions of kids that die every year from starvation and
disease. All talk and no action! How do I know this? Just listen to the
reports on TV covering the kids in Africa.... and not one anti-choicer to be
seen trying to save them. Not one a-c handing out birth control and trying
to convince the men there to use them....
--
FP....
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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