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"Robert B. Winn" |
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30 May 2004 04:37:01 PM |
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Death Camps |
(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0405281039.6c9a6d13@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
(Spartakus) wrote...
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:
(Spartakus) wrote:
Not to mention how their inept co-opting of the Holocaust expresses
their complete lack of sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families?
The Holocaust being perpetrated right here in the abortion mills of
America is much more devastating than any holocaust you might be
referring to. The past is the past.Concentrate on those dying
today. Save the children.
To illustrate just how ridiculous your argument really is, here is a
post by Malapert, Message-ID: <<34dfe3ea.45372116@news.sonic.net>:
Papa Jack <papa_jack@geocities.com> wrote in Feb. 98:
:: When a Pro-Lifer is addressing the horror of PARs advocating the
:: slaughter of 1,200,000+ unborn children per year, the only historical
:: image in modern times which compares in pure horror is the Holocaust.
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:: Those of us who are old enough, still remember the gut-wrenching
:: pictures of the stacks of burned bodies in the German prison camps.
:: We also think of abortion in the same terms -- stacks of innocent
:: bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters.
:> No, you've got it wrong. Don't you remember that when people first
:> toured the death camps it didn't bother them at all? They looked at
:> the evidence, saw the dead bodies, and shrugged their shoulders.
:> "What's all the fuss about?" was the reaction.
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:> Then someone said "Hey, you know what? This is just like...
:> ABORTION!!!" Everyone was suddenly struck with the horror of it all,
:> now that they were thinking about it in terms of stacks of innocent
:> bodies slaughtered by unfeeling monsters, which hadn't occurred to
:> them before. So, when people wrote home to their families and
:> reporters described what they had seen, they made the same comparison
:> so that the homefolk could understand too.
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:> "Wow," people said. "I didn't realize how bad gassing screaming
:> families and sending people out to dig their own graves was until I
:> compared it to the removal of a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
:> a woman's uterus. But now I understand. If it was as bad as
:> abortion, then this Holocaust thing was REALLY bad."
I couldn't help but note how you first pretended concern
for the lack of "sensitivity and respect towards Holocaust
survivors and their families" -- but, then you quoted this
crude satire by MINXS. So much for sensitivity and respect.
You're not familiar with Jonathan Swift, I take it.
Anyway, would you agree that if A is like B, then B is like A? If so,
then consider the proposition implied by Jon Young's argument:
"If abortion is just like the Holocaust, then the Holocaust is just
like abortion."
And actually, I'm cutting Mr. Young a break here. He said that
abortion in America is much more devastating than the Nazi Holocaust.
If you want to take issue with over-the-top statements, Mr. Young's
comments should go right to the top of your list.
The giant hole in MINXS' logic is her own description of an
unborn child as "a teaspoonful of insentient tissue from
a woman's uterus.
Minxs' description of what is removed in a 1st trimester abortion is
right on the money. In fact, most of what is removed isn't the
fetus/embryo at all, but placental material.
I understand that was written back in 1998, but even then we fully
understood an unborn child was far more than described by MINXS.
Minxs' grasp of medical facts has always surpassed yours, PJ; often by
orders of magnitude.
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way to
resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not a
picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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31 May 2004 06:24:31 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
31 May 2004 06:47:37 PM |
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In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
03 Jun 2004 11:33:14 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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04 Jun 2004 11:07:28 AM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved
in the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by
abortion, including the one in the picture you were trying to say
was not a child. See you at the resurrection.
Where does this come from? The 1st Epistle to the KafeteriaKristians?
I realize you are a new Christian and aren't very familiar with the
Bible or Doctrine or other inconveniences. Please reflect on why you
find it acceptable to twist Christianity to whatever perverse ends you
seem to require.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
04 Jun 2004 09:40:35 AM |
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In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
04 Jun 2004 03:33:02 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
05 Jun 2004 07:00:13 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote...
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote...
Robert B. Winn < > wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Sheesh, I mean, you postulate a universe where, if a human embryo
doesn't make it out of the blocks, it goes to heaven, no questions
asked. It doesn't have to go to a Billy Graham crusade, or answer an
altar call, or wonder to itself if putting up with the
SexularHumanists (thank you, drieux) is worth everlasting life. St.
Peter punches its ticket and it's IN!
Isn't that better than hitting on the lottery? Why don't YOU explain
it to God? It's YOUR theology!
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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07 Jun 2004 03:56:28 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0406051600.7eab57b8@posting.google.com...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote...
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Sheesh, I mean, you postulate a universe where, if a human embryo
doesn't make it out of the blocks, it goes to heaven, no questions
asked. It doesn't have to go to a Billy Graham crusade, or answer an
altar call, or wonder to itself if putting up with the
SexularHumanists (thank you, drieux) is worth everlasting life. St.
Peter punches its ticket and it's IN!
Isn't that better than hitting on the lottery? Why don't YOU explain
it to God? It's YOUR theology!
This reminds me of that bit I like to quote whenever I hear that a devout,
Bible-believing Christian has been stricken with a mortal illness and is not
only doing everything s/he can to save his/her life, but also asking for the
prayers of others that s/he be spared death:
Why do Christians even bother with medical treatment? As someone said in a
local paper recently, in a letter about a story in which a Christian
described his successful efforts to avoid death after an accident (including
his own desperate prayers and those solicited from others), "Is there a
Heaven or not? Religion postulates no reward for suicide. But when God
hands you a valid ticket to Paradise, how is it everyone - even the devout -
starts checking into later flights? I'm experiencing a crisis in other
people's faith."
Get that, Christians? Your religion doesn't reward you for committing
suicide, but when God is ready to take you why do you all run so hard the
other way? Same with embryos. They aren't killing themselves, they're
going straight to heaven. So what's the big deal? If you're concerned with
the souls of women having abortions, you've got 50 or so years to save the
average woman who has one. Somehow we don't hear much about that, however.
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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09 Jun 2004 08:32:50 AM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<0E4xc.55460$3x.20953@attbi_s54>...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0406051600.7eab57b8@posting.google.com...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote...
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Sheesh, I mean, you postulate a universe where, if a human embryo
doesn't make it out of the blocks, it goes to heaven, no questions
asked. It doesn't have to go to a Billy Graham crusade, or answer an
altar call, or wonder to itself if putting up with the
SexularHumanists (thank you, drieux) is worth everlasting life. St.
Peter punches its ticket and it's IN!
Isn't that better than hitting on the lottery? Why don't YOU explain
it to God? It's YOUR theology!
This reminds me of that bit I like to quote whenever I hear that a devout,
Bible-believing Christian has been stricken with a mortal illness and is not
only doing everything s/he can to save his/her life, but also asking for the
prayers of others that s/he be spared death:
Why do Christians even bother with medical treatment? As someone said in a
local paper recently, in a letter about a story in which a Christian
described his successful efforts to avoid death after an accident (including
his own desperate prayers and those solicited from others), "Is there a
Heaven or not? Religion postulates no reward for suicide. But when God
hands you a valid ticket to Paradise, how is it everyone - even the devout -
starts checking into later flights? I'm experiencing a crisis in other
people's faith."
Get that, Christians? Your religion doesn't reward you for committing
suicide, but when God is ready to take you why do you all run so hard the
other way? Same with embryos. They aren't killing themselves, they're
going straight to heaven. So what's the big deal? If you're concerned with
the souls of women having abortions, you've got 50 or so years to save the
average woman who has one. Somehow we don't hear much about that, however.
Well, obviously, these were people who were not going to accept the
teachings of the pro-abortion police state. That is why they were
killed.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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04 Jun 2004 08:19:24 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
--
--sexkitten--What's worse than a knee- jerk liberal? A kneepad
conservative, that's who, forever groveling before the rich and
powerful. -Edward Abbey
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10 Jun 2004 10:16:04 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2icld9Flvks5U4@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
If he wanted them there at this time, why would they be here?
Robert B. Winn
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10 Jun 2004 09:05:48 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2icld9Flvks5U4@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
If he wanted them there at this time, why would they be here?
Robert B. Winn
If he wanted them here, why would he send them to people who are going
to abort?
--
--sexkitten--Do any of you realize that we live in a nation which is
arguably the most
powerful, and certainly, the most prosperous on Earth in the 21st friggin'
century, yet our elected leader and many of our representatives sincerely
believe, that at some point an invisible dead jew from 2000 years ago is
going to appear floating in the sky to magic the people who believe he is
a god back into some fairy tale heavenly kingdom?
Yikes! - Acid King
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13 Jun 2004 04:00:33 PM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2isic9Fr22hpU2@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2icld9Flvks5U4@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
If he wanted them there at this time, why would they be here?
Robert B. Winn
If he wanted them here, why would he send them to people who are going
to abort?
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Ron Nicholson" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
13 Jun 2004 05:52:57 PM |
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In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this apparent
'god-given' right?
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
13 Jun 2004 08:06:32 PM |
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Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<balie-1E40C3.18532213062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this apparent
'god-given' right?
I don't interfere with anything. I just say that killing children is
not really a good thing.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Ron Nicholson" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
13 Jun 2004 08:35:26 PM |
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In article <7943568.0406131706.64f935eb@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-1E40C3.18532213062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this apparent
'god-given' right?
I don't interfere with anything. I just say that killing children is
not really a good thing.
The logical conclusion, or expected outcome is that by electing prolife
candidates is for them to interfere/prohibit abortions. This is clearly
an interference in the free will of some women.
Could you clarify what it is you believe about free will, the
interference of it, and what it is you do for us?
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
14 Jun 2004 07:35:01 PM |
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Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<balie-2618CA.21353313062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131706.64f935eb@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-1E40C3.18532213062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this apparent
'god-given' right?
I don't interfere with anything. I just say that killing children is
not really a good thing.
The logical conclusion, or expected outcome is that by electing prolife
candidates is for them to interfere/prohibit abortions. This is clearly
an interference in the free will of some women.
Could you clarify what it is you believe about free will, the
interference of it, and what it is you do for us?
Well, free will can be exercised to make decisions that are wrong.
For instance, John Hinckley decided to shoot President Reagan. God
did not interfere with John Hinckley's decision in any way. However,
suppose I am walking down the street and see John Hinckley pull out a
gun and say, I am going to shoot President Reagan. Do I have a right
to interfere with his decision?
First of all, I have the right to tell John Hinckley, Shooting
President Reagan is not a good thing.
Second, I have the right to stop John Hinckley from doing it by
force because he is engaged in an act of homicide.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Ron Nicholson" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
14 Jun 2004 07:41:33 PM |
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In article <7943568.0406141635.22490bdf@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-2618CA.21353313062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131706.64f935eb@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-1E40C3.18532213062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want
to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a
reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this
apparent
'god-given' right?
I don't interfere with anything. I just say that killing children is
not really a good thing.
The logical conclusion, or expected outcome is that by electing prolife
candidates is for them to interfere/prohibit abortions. This is clearly
an interference in the free will of some women.
Could you clarify what it is you believe about free will, the
interference of it, and what it is you do for us?
Well, free will can be exercised to make decisions that are wrong.
First, where does your god allow for any inteference in Hinkley's or
anyone else's exercise of free will?
Secondl where does your god allow for imposing any punishment on any
human for their exercise of free will?
I find that you blend religious and legal arguments as they suit you.
For instance, John Hinckley decided to shoot President Reagan. God
did not interfere with John Hinckley's decision in any way. However,
suppose I am walking down the street and see John Hinckley pull out a
gun and say, I am going to shoot President Reagan. Do I have a right
to interfere with his decision?
First of all, I have the right to tell John Hinckley, Shooting
President Reagan is not a good thing.
Second, I have the right to stop John Hinckley from doing it by
force because he is engaged in an act of homicide.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." |
23 Jun 2004 12:05:17 AM |
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Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<balie-3F6A3C.20414814062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406141635.22490bdf@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-2618CA.21353313062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131706.64f935eb@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<balie-1E40C3.18532213062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <7943568.0406131300.2bc89ad2@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want
to.
Selecting an abortion is a demonstration of free will. Is there a
reason
why you would want to interfere in someone's exercising of this
apparent
'god-given' right?
I don't interfere with anything. I just say that killing children is
not really a good thing.
The logical conclusion, or expected outcome is that by electing prolife
candidates is for them to interfere/prohibit abortions. This is clearly
an interference in the free will of some women.
Could you clarify what it is you believe about free will, the
interference of it, and what it is you do for us?
Well, free will can be exercised to make decisions that are wrong.
First, where does your god allow for any inteference in Hinkley's or
anyone else's exercise of free will?
Well, for one thing, secret service agents did not allow Hinkley to
kill the President after he had wounded him.
Secondl where does your god allow for imposing any punishment on any
human for their exercise of free will?
Well, John Hinckley is still in a mental institution. God seems to
have allowed that to happen.
Robert B. winn
I find that you blend religious and legal arguments as they suit you.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, forwe shall see him as he is." |
14 Jun 2004 03:02:00 AM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2isic9Fr22hpU2@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2icld9Flvks5U4@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
If he wanted them there at this time, why would they be here?
Robert B. Winn
If he wanted them here, why would he send them to people who are going
to abort?
The people who are going to abort can change their minds if they want to.
Robert B. Winn
But he already knows they won't change their minds, so I repeat: if he
wanted them here, why would he send them to people who are going to abort?
--
--sexkitten--Want a taste of religion? Bite a minister.
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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10 Jun 2004 10:16:05 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2icld9Flvks5U4@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<040620040740351399%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <7943568.0406032033.3790d417@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
Winn <rbwinn47@mybluelight.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<310520041647375237%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...
In article <6ed74dfa.0405311524.2535390e@posting.google.com>, Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote...
Current pictures from sonograms and actual cameras have repeatedly
shown unborn children are human beings in every respect -- only
they
are in early stages of development.
You mean, like this little guy?
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
Contention over a picture will not solve anything. I think the way
to resolve the disagreement is for the people who think it is not
a picture of a person to meet the person who was killed when the
resurrection takes place.
What if this embryo wasn't a Christian?
In fact, how does an embryo become Christian?
Children who die before they become accountable for sins are saved in
the kingdom of heaven. That includes all children killed by abortion,
including the one in the picture you were trying to say was not a
child. See you at the resurrection.
So, in a way, these women are doing them a favor?
Well, explain it to God, not to me. I do not see any favor being done.
Robert B. Winn
But we're sending them to Heaven. Doesn't God want them there?
If he wanted them there at this time, why would they be here?
Robert B. Winn
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