Science > Abortion > Does Flower Power think this boy should have been aborted?
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Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Steenkin Man" |
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24 Jun 2004 04:28:00 AM |
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Does Flower Power think this boy should have been aborted? |
Flower Power argues for the killing of unborn babies who have
disabilities.
This disabled boy got on the best-seller list before he died. He began
writing poetry while only three and eventually produced five volumes
that sold millions of copies.
The world is fortunate that a haggard old hippy didn't get her
knitting needles into him.
Story:
US child poet dies after illness
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3833573.stm
--
num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 02:15:16 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger
That's because of socialist feminist who think their demagogue pleading are
going to change things, you are really whacked in the head Ray-girl.
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| User: "Pastor Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
29 Jun 2004 12:05:43 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
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"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY, PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed by the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
==========================
You can be sure hate is all Heishman dishes out, just like the rest of the
hate-mongers and anti-choicers on this NG. He's not the type to volunteer
to be a "big brother" to a fatherless child, take in foster children as his
own, or adopt an mixed race or disabled/handicapped child. He expects
OTHERS to do the real work. He says he cares about the girls or women who
find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy - but so far has show nothing but
contempt for them. He's just another anti-choice wind bag here like all
the others....
--
Flower Power....
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 04:27:56 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbmusa$rio$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY, PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed by the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
It isn't any of your business either.
I do donate and I do send what I can.
What do you donate?
What do you send?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 04:40:39 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbmusa$rio$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY, PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed by the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
It isn't any of your business either.
It is when you start LYING here as an excuse to make people suffer.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 04:57:34 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbnesm$d09$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbmusa$rio$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and label
Republicans.
It isn't any of your business either.
It is when you start LYING here as an excuse to make people suffer.
How much do you donate or give to help others?
Why didn't you answer that question?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 05:46:44 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbmusa$rio$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-aborts argument killed? |
27 Jun 2004 06:57:21 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbnesm$d09$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to
push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan
as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to
term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times
as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed
by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a
movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as
simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and
label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
No, sorry Ray, but your lying about your post isn't going to help you.
I do what ever I can do to help.
You are the one who runs from the questions
I asked you (Ray will snip this part so anyone following it keep this for
your records)
What do you do to help?
What do you donate?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Wanna see a pro-liars argument killed? |
28 Jun 2004 11:30:42 AM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbmusa$rio$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
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"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
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Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to
push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan
as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to
term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times
as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As believed
by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a
movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact, I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes, I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as
simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and
label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
No, sorry Ray, but your lying about your post isn't going to help you.
I do what ever I can do to help.
Then sell your computer, cancel your ISP account, and take an extra
job in order to earn money to save the lives of children.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported
by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like
to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to
push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a
plan
as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring
State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to
term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now
PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11
times
as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As
believed
by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a
movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant
girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man
she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact,
I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring
for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about
the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes,
I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as
simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and
label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
No, sorry Ray, but your lying about your post isn't going to help you.
I do what ever I can do to help.
Then sell your computer, cancel your ISP account, and take an extra
job in order to earn money to save the lives of children.
And what will you do Ray, do Feminist drive by shootings... ***** your an
idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
commercialuseonly@hotmail.com (desaparecido) wrote in message
news:<64873d80.0406262104.505d9866@posting.google.com>...
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:<kM-dnadCa6lJN0DdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:40dcb1e7.63477716@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
....
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported
by
science
that
will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
http://www.oceansonline.com/origins.htm
http://www.fi.edu/tfi/units/life/living/living.html
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like
to
distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
============================
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to
push
his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a
plan
as
to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring
State
Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to
term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now
PAY,
PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
--
Flower Power........
One women dies giving birth every 30 minutes in Afghanistan.
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11
times
as
high as
that associated with abortion.27
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00054602.htm
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/deaths_smj.html
====================================================
====================================================
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible. As
believed
by
the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a
movitve.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant
girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man
she
thought she could trust to give her value in life. In fact,
I'm
sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring
for
and
raising her child - after all, HE is the one who cares about
the
child
as well as the girl, you only care about the girl.
That is absolutely right. This isn't just all about "the girl".
There are two people involved, the girl and the child. And yes,
I
would do what ever I could to help..if it be something just as
simple
as donating food or clothes.
10,000+ people, mostly children, die of hunger each and every day
worldwide. You could get another job and send money to relief
agencies. Instead you spew hate and pretend to care.
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and
label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
No, sorry Ray, but your lying about your post isn't going to help you.
I do what ever I can do to help.
Then sell your computer, cancel your ISP account, and take an extra
job in order to earn money to save the lives of children.
Now you are trying to be a control freak.
Why do you run from the questions?
I asked you what do you do for people?
How do you try and help?
Your not answering those questions can easily lead anyone to believe you do
nothing, which you don't.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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29 Jun 2004 08:30:49 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
You don't know what I donate or how much I send.
I know that you spend time and money speqwing hate and lies here
instead of giving up your time and money to help others.
You are the one with hundreds of post in which you attack people and
label
I don't lie to people by claiming that "I would do what ever I could
to help".
You do.
No, sorry Ray, but your lying about your post isn't going to help you.
I do what ever I can do to help.
Then sell your computer, cancel your ISP account, and take an extra
job in order to earn money to save the lives of children.
Now you are trying to be a control freak.
No, I'm proving that you're a liar. When you wrote: "I would do what
ever I could to help", you were full of *****. You do what's
convenient.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Jun 2004 12:05:59 PM |
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desaparecido <commercialuseonly@hotmail.com> wrote:
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as to how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State Custody. No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term. After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY, PAY, PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible.
It happens to be true.
As believed by the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Motive is not often relevant in court cases.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life.
Of course he does. He's a control freak who thinks he has some
business telling other people what to do.
In fact, I'm sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for and
raising her child -
I'm sure that you haven't read any of *****'s postings.
However, pro-choicers possess a motive for their beliefs.
Liberty.
In a world
where we can kill away consequences, there is no need for any of us to
take responsibility or act wisely.
Which is why pro-liars feel that can force other people to obey
without taking any responsibility for the consequences.
Sex is short-term, pregnancy and
child-raising is short, well, no term. I would be more willing to
defend pro-choicers beliefs if they could prove their ability to
appreciate self-accountabliity and act responsibly in their sexual
encounters.
The usual anti-sex prudery.
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Jun 2004 02:15:16 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Liberty.
You don't even know what Liberty mean Ray-girl, hint, it doesn't apply to
one gender ray like you panty wearing she-men think and let alone even know
what your political correct rights are for. ***** your stupid as a socilaist
moron.
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27 Jun 2004 04:30:43 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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desaparecido <commercialuseonly@hotmail.com> wrote:
Like many anti-choicers Heishman feels justified in lying to push his
anti-choice agenda. Note that none of them come up with a plan as to
how to
help all those already born and stuck in cold, uncaring State Custody.
No
plan on how to help those teenagers out there with unwanted
pregnancies....
he would love to see them suffer by forcing them to carry to term.
After
all they had the utter audacity to have sex and should now PAY, PAY,
PAY.
If that takes LIES, then he and his ilk will do it.
That last accusation is thouroughly irresponsible.
It happens to be true.
As believed by the
American court system, nobody performs any action without a movitve.
Motive is not often relevant in court cases.
Heishman has no motive to punish some 17-year-old pregnant girl
half-way across the country because she gave herself to a man she
thought she could trust to give her value in life.
Of course he does. He's a control freak who thinks he has some
business telling other people what to do.
Can you show me anyone I tried to "control"
In fact, I'm sure
Heishman is such a person as would help this girl with caring for and
raising her child -
I'm sure that you haven't read any of *****'s postings.
I'm sure that some people are not as bigoted and hateful as you to read
someone's post
and WANT to make up *****.
However, pro-choicers possess a motive for their beliefs.
Liberty.
In a world
where we can kill away consequences, there is no need for any of us to
take responsibility or act wisely.
Which is why pro-liars feel that can force other people to obey
without taking any responsibility for the consequences.
Who have you seen force someone else?
Sex is short-term, pregnancy and
child-raising is short, well, no term. I would be more willing to
defend pro-choicers beliefs if they could prove their ability to
appreciate self-accountabliity and act responsibly in their sexual
encounters.
The usual anti-sex prudery.
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
Because politicians make other people's sex lives an issue
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Jun 2004 05:39:00 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:30:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Of course he does. He's a control freak who thinks he has some
business telling other people what to do.
Can you show me anyone I tried to "control"
Females. All of them. Everywhere. At all times through history.
It's all your fault that females never managed to develop great
architecture or technology, never produced great music, paintings or
writings, never founded a university and never learned anything
worthwhile at a university unless it had been written by a man.
It's all your fault that females had to wait so long before men got
round to making childbirth about as safe as dentistry and inventing
the anaesthetics that are used in childbirth.
Most of all, you evil, male chauvinist pig, it's your fault that
females become prisoners of their hormones from menarche to menopause
then go slowly mad with depression.
Welcome to the club. No smoking in the library. Ties are optional and
can be purchased at the front desk. Details of the next secret meeting
of the Patriarchy can be found on the notice board outside the dining
room. Indoctrination sessions of all men and boys over the age of
three weeks are held on Tuesday afternoons (weather permitting) and
attendance is compulsory.
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num tibi mentireris?
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27 Jun 2004 12:14:38 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
--
num tibi mentireris?
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27 Jun 2004 01:07:16 PM |
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
You've never checked.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Jun 2004 04:31:00 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
You've never checked.
And you have?
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27 Jun 2004 01:41:20 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:07:16 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
You've never checked.
You do a lot of checking. (Last time I checked...)
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num tibi mentireris?
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27 Jun 2004 06:57:57 PM |
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k8dkjF18lvn8U2@uni-berlin.de:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
really? when was the last time you checked and what exactly did you do to
check?
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28 Jun 2004 01:46:24 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2004 23:57:57 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k8dkjF18lvn8U2@uni-berlin.de:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
really? when was the last time you checked and what exactly did you do to
check?
It's satire. You wouldn't understand.
It's all here: http://urlcut.com/RayFischer
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num tibi mentireris?
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28 Jun 2004 08:37:12 PM |
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k9t6mF192j38U4@uni-berlin.de:
On 27 Jun 2004 23:57:57 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k8dkjF18lvn8U2@uni-berlin.de:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:05:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Tell us: Why do you think you have ANY business monitoring other
people's sex lives?
He's never tried to do that. (Last time I checked...)
really? when was the last time you checked and what exactly did you do to
check?
It's satire. You wouldn't understand.
you have better read the newbies guide to the internet. making unsupported
claims, as you did, and running away from calls that you support those
unsuported claims offers eraders a good look at your character and
credibility.
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27 Jun 2004 02:08:44 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cbivi2$v62$1@bolt.sonic.net...
You see, this is a typical example of how liberals like to distort.
That coming from someone who resorts to outright lying.
Ray you would be so stupid if your lying Liberal ***** had any smarts, as your
Liberals are getting there asses sued for the hate crimes they promote on
the male gender. That's why the Status of Women Canada are shitting in their
pants, and many feminazis in there groups are jumping ships like the rats
they are......
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25 Jun 2004 09:14:46 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:6IudneXCy-ylNkHd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k36sgF17kvc2U1@uni-berlin.de...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:57:55 -0500, "Flower Power"
<LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote:
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k2ep1F15l31aU1@uni-berlin.de...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:11:39 -0500, "Flower Power"
<SS-GruppenFuhrer@thisNGs.net> wrote:
Abortion is legal - remember?
Putting people in death camps was legal - remember?
## PEOPLE are not globs of unwanted cells. Do you suggest we stop
removing
tumors from people since they're human cells as well?
You're using the same arguments that were used to put people in the
death camps: "These are not really humans, so it's all right to kill
them. We even have a law that says it's OK to kill them."
<snipping Flowerpower's normal ranting and anger>
Steenkin Man,
Want to see a pro-aborts argument killed immediately.
Many of these pro-aborts, like Flowerpower (watch Flowerpower try and switch
the subject of this post in her reply in order to avoid what follows)
Will say that life doesn't begin at conception.
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science that will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
There you go Steenkin Man,
That kills their argument.
Excerpt:
"Although the opinion that life begins at fertilization is the most
popular view among the public, many scientists no longer support this
position, as an increasing number of scientific discoveries seem to
contradict it. One such discovery in the last twenty years is that
research has shown that there is no "moment of fertilization" at all.
Scientists now choose to view fertilization as a process that occurs
over a period of 12-24 hours. After sperm are released they must
remain in the female reproductive tract for seven hours before they
are capable of fertilizing the egg. Approximately ten hours are
required for the sperm to travel up to the fallopian tube where they
find the egg. The meeting of the egg and the sperm itself is not even
an instantaneous process, but rather a complex biochemical interaction
through which the sperm ultimately reaches the inner portion of the
egg. Following fertilization, the chromosomes contained within the
sperm and the chromosomes of the egg meet to form a diploid organism,
now called a zygote, over a period of 24 hours. (Shannon and Wolter
1990). Thus, even if one were to argue that life begins at
fertilization, fertilization is not a moment, but rather a continuous
process lasting 12-24 hours, with an additional 24 hours required to
complete the formation of a diploid individual." <end>
http://www.devbio.com/article.php?id=162
Slate
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| User: "Osprey" |
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26 Jun 2004 08:23:13 AM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpipd018t22910805p19ikjapsung3ice1@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:6IudneXCy-ylNkHd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k36sgF17kvc2U1@uni-berlin.de...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:57:55 -0500, "Flower Power"
<LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote:
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k2ep1F15l31aU1@uni-berlin.de...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:11:39 -0500, "Flower Power"
<SS-GruppenFuhrer@thisNGs.net> wrote:
Abortion is legal - remember?
Putting people in death camps was legal - remember?
## PEOPLE are not globs of unwanted cells. Do you suggest we stop
removing
tumors from people since they're human cells as well?
You're using the same arguments that were used to put people in the
death camps: "These are not really humans, so it's all right to kill
them. We even have a law that says it's OK to kill them."
<snipping Flowerpower's normal ranting and anger>
Steenkin Man,
Want to see a pro-aborts argument killed immediately.
Many of these pro-aborts, like Flowerpower (watch Flowerpower try and
switch
the subject of this post in her reply in order to avoid what follows)
Will say that life doesn't begin at conception.
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science that will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
There you go Steenkin Man,
That kills their argument.
Excerpt:
"Although the opinion that life begins at fertilization is the most
popular view among the public, many scientists no longer support this
position,
Who?
as an increasing number of scientific discoveries seem to
contradict it.
What discoveries?
One such discovery in the last twenty years is that
research has shown that there is no "moment of fertilization" at all.
Show this discovery
Scientists now choose to view fertilization as a process that occurs
over a period of 12-24 hours.
Without this process you can not have a new life.
After sperm are released they must
remain in the female reproductive tract for seven hours before they
are capable of fertilizing the egg.
Source?
Approximately ten hours are
required for the sperm to travel up to the fallopian tube where they
find the egg.
Yea and?
The meeting of the egg and the sperm itself is not even
an instantaneous process, but rather a complex biochemical interaction
through which the sperm ultimately reaches the inner portion of the
egg.
Yea and?
Following fertilization, the chromosomes contained within the
sperm and the chromosomes of the egg meet to form a diploid organism,
now called a zygote,
Thus the process of life has begun.
over a period of 24 hours. (Shannon and Wolter
1990). Thus, even if one were to argue that life begins at
fertilization, fertilization is not a moment, but rather a continuous
process lasting 12-24 hours, with an additional 24 hours required to
complete the formation of a diploid individual." <end>
http://www.devbio.com/article.php?id=162
Now, here is the part that is going to kill this entire argument.
Show us how life can begin WITHOUT any of the above process taking place.
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| User: "Slate" |
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26 Jun 2004 11:43:49 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:23:13 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpipd018t22910805p19ikjapsung3ice1@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:20 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:6IudneXCy-ylNkHd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k36sgF17kvc2U1@uni-berlin.de...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:57:55 -0500, "Flower Power"
<LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote:
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k2ep1F15l31aU1@uni-berlin.de...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:11:39 -0500, "Flower Power"
<SS-GruppenFuhrer@thisNGs.net> wrote:
Abortion is legal - remember?
Putting people in death camps was legal - remember?
## PEOPLE are not globs of unwanted cells. Do you suggest we stop
removing
tumors from people since they're human cells as well?
You're using the same arguments that were used to put people in the
death camps: "These are not really humans, so it's all right to kill
them. We even have a law that says it's OK to kill them."
<snipping Flowerpower's normal ranting and anger>
Steenkin Man,
Want to see a pro-aborts argument killed immediately.
Many of these pro-aborts, like Flowerpower (watch Flowerpower try and
switch
the subject of this post in her reply in order to avoid what follows)
Will say that life doesn't begin at conception.
Flowerpower, show us any credible evidence supported by science that will
agree life doesn't begin at conception.
There you go Steenkin Man,
That kills their argument.
Excerpt:
"Although the opinion that life begins at fertilization is the most
popular view among the public, many scientists no longer support this
position,
Who?
Read the link.
as an increasing number of scientific discoveries seem to
contradict it.
What discoveries?
One such discovery in the last twenty years is that
research has shown that there is no "moment of fertilization" at all.
Show this discovery
Read the link.
Scientists now choose to view fertilization as a process that occurs
over a period of 12-24 hours.
Without this process you can not have a new life.
After sperm are released they must
remain in the female reproductive tract for seven hours before they
are capable of fertilizing the egg.
Source?
Read the link. It's all in there if you took the time to look.
Approximately ten hours are
required for the sperm to travel up to the fallopian tube where they
find the egg.
Yea and?
Read the link.
The meeting of the egg and the sperm itself is not even
an instantaneous process, but rather a complex biochemical interaction
through which the sperm ultimately reaches the inner portion of the
egg.
Yea and?
Read the link.
Following fertilization, the chromosomes contained within the
sperm and the chromosomes of the egg meet to form a diploid organism,
now called a zygote,
Thus the process of life has begun.
over a period of 24 hours. (Shannon and Wolter
1990). Thus, even if one were to argue that life begins at
fertilization, fertilization is not a moment, but rather a continuous
process lasting 12-24 hours, with an additional 24 hours required to
complete the formation of a diploid individual.&quo | | | |
